Fantasy Current Sanji vs. Doflamingo

[MonsterEnvy]

Sanji smokes him. Sanji post genetics med-diffed Queen who's stronger than Doffy.

He has not been show to have won yet.

 

[kkck]

Not all agree with you, because DF power can really change things.
Even if Sanji beat Queen with relative ease... I don't think current Sanji could win against Craker because of the defavorable matchup.

But... there is nothing about cracker that makes this an unfavorable matchup for sanji. Current sanji is probably straight up stronger than gear 4 WCI luffy.

 

[Ricko]

For Cracker, as I don't watch the anime there is a lot of difference.

It seem that Sanji is a lot stronger in the anime, he manage to defeat Drake, when in the manga it's not the case.
As my base is the manga, I don't think that Sanji is in G4 lvl at the moment, but I can be wrong.
G4 Luffy would no diff Queen.

Queen is really a bad barema for power level, he's damn to weak.
His CoO is almost non exitent...
- He couldn't dodge Zoro air attack that cut his weapon
- He couldn't sense Sanji in the air or keep his speed

His CoA don't seem formidable, as Sanji who is not a specialist in this form of haki could bang him around before exoskeleton.
There now a moment when Sanji was impressed by his Haki....

All Queen got it's Dinosaure strenght, stamina, and Weapon... For the moment that guy may be YC2 but he's far from top tier fighters...Beside his snake attack wich is really powerfull (but with his high level CoO Sanji should never been caught, it's just for the plot).
He's a formidable foe to wipe fodders, top tier in this domain, but in one on one against strong fighter... he only look like a punching ball (he couldn't just stall Big Mom at her weakest state)

 

[Crimson Ice]

I know characters get stronger, but to be fair, Luffy's struggle against Doflamingo was before he used G4, and when he prolonged beating Doflamingo in G4. Hard to believe that when Doflamingo was barely fazed, no reaction other than annoyance at Sanji. No reason to believe Sanji's gotten significantly strong enough to hurt Doflamingo, so far, but I'm probably wrong.

Luffy still struggled after G4 otherwise he would have washed him without needing to recharge. No reason to believe Sanji has gotten considerably stronger? Despite that fact, he just beat someone STRONGER THAN DOFFY?

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G4 Luffy wouldn't lose to Cracker, he ran out of time.
I said G4 Luffy was close to Katakuri in stats. Of course future sight meant that Luffy couldn't land any attacks and got stomped. Future sight was the massive difference maker here, not stats.

The thing is, it's not too hard for Doflamingo to string people. He even stringed G4 Luffy IIRC. Just that Luffy instantly destroyed the strings, cause he can expand/contract freely. I might need to rewatch this to be sure.
Law was able to avoid it for a while, only because he can literally teleport around
This is why I said matchups matter. Doflamingo is extremely potent against opponents who can't change their size while maintaining armament. I agree Doflamingo is "overall" YC3 tier, but situationally he can strike significantly above his level.


Of course current Sanji is much faster than G2. He will be around as fast as G4 Luffy.
But the main issue for Doflamingo wasn't Luffy's speed, but his rubbery armament. After the intial two attacks, Dolfamingo started somewhat keeping up, but the rubbery armament meant that he could do absolutely nothing to Luffy. The rubbery armament hard countered the dude's strings.
And let's also not forget that Doflaingo's stats were nerfed as well, Gamma knife screwed up all his organs, and he was relying on strings to keep him alive.

Sanji blitzing Queen doesn't mean much to me, when Queen's pros is his brute strength and durability. The dude was never fast to begin with. Sanji has been smacking him even before his Germa biology awakened. Doflamingo is definitely faster than Queen
But, I do see your point. IT depends on the starting conditions. If they begin close enough, Zoro or Sanji can blitz him and beat the shit out of him.
But, if the fight starts with considerable distance between them, Zoro will have no chance at all. The very ground he stands on will attack him, and the dude can't fly. It will only be a matter of time before he gets caught in the string, and he loses. Sanji vs Doffy will still be tricky, because Sanji can fly.

G4 Luffy was struggling to get to Cracker and needed G4 simply to beat a biscuit soldier. Without Nami he's not beating Cracker bar maybe a King Kong Gun taking him and his soldiers out in one blow. The way the fight was going in the manga Luffy was losing without Nami's help.

If anything that's an indictment on Katakuri because as we saw early in the arc Cracker was able to go toe to toe with Luffy.

As for Law, nothing states or shows his shambles is what kept him being parasite. That move has only been used on weaker opponents and characters that get caught off guard. Doflamingo being YC3 makes no sense but according to you using parasite is EASY and can restrain people like Jozu and current Sanji and Zoro. There's no way that he can do that and he's only YC3.

Current Sanji is definitely noticeably faster than any version of Luffy that isn't snake-man. Doffy was nerfed and so was Luffy, both men had taken note that they both took noticeable damage before fighting. And Luffy's rubbery arms wasn't a huge deal when awakening came out, he was still able to piece and harm Luffy.

Blitzing Queen is a big deal. So what if Queen doesn't have the highest movement speed (which may not even be true as Niji's powers could potentially buff his speed), his reaction speed and overall observation haki should be reflective of the tier he sits in. Movement speed is not the same as reaction speed, Sanji has always had higher movement speed than Zoro, yet Zoro has had comparable or even greater reaction speed.

Even if there's a big distance you realise Zoro can send an AdCoc infused slash? And Sanji can fly and close the distance? There's no fair one on one condition where Doffy is beating Zoro or Sanji.

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He has not been show to have won yet.

I may have jumped the gun but I really don't see Queen getting back up.

 

[XXGenesis]

Doflamingo’s DF ability will work in anybody the string pierces;

Doflamingo possessed the skill needed during the war to catch Jozu off guard. He won’t catch high ranked ppl with his ability unless they are distracted.

Just because they are Commanders; Doesn’t automatically mean they are stronger than a warlord. Warlords imo are rogue commander lv Pirates under the government.

Sanji is faster now, even with Doflamingo walking or flying with his strings; Sanji will evade his most deadly or compromising attacks;

As for Stamina/Endurance & Durability. Imo it’s Pretty even. Sanji is by no means invulnerable or impenetrable skin because of his exoskeleton…Doffy suffered damage against Law & survived a G4 barrage. Before he lost to Luffy

Sanji wins High Diff
Queen was a horrible fighter*….Creaks floor board, attacking a maid again when he should be looking for Sanji….PIS/CIS honestly

Doflamingo’s stats & skills are lopsided for a YC3 lv Pirate. If his Haki was stronger he’ll be a bigger problem

 

[grey matter]

G4 Luffy was struggling to get to Cracker and needed G4 simply to beat a biscuit soldier. Without Nami he's not beating Cracker bar maybe a King Kong Gun taking him and his soldiers out in one blow. The way the fight was going in the manga Luffy was losing without Nami's help.

If anything that's an indictment on Katakuri because as we saw early in the arc Cracker was able to go toe to toe with Luffy.

As for Law, nothing states or shows his shambles is what kept him being parasite. That move has only been used on weaker opponents and characters that get caught off guard. Doflamingo being YC3 makes no sense but according to you using parasite is EASY and can restrain people like Jozu and current Sanji and Zoro. There's no way that he can do that and he's only YC3.

Current Sanji is definitely noticeably faster than any version of Luffy that isn't snake-man. Doffy was nerfed and so was Luffy, both men had taken note that they both took noticeable damage before fighting. And Luffy's rubbery arms wasn't a huge deal when awakening came out, he was still able to piece and harm Luffy.

Blitzing Queen is a big deal. So what if Queen doesn't have the highest movement speed (which may not even be true as Niji's powers could potentially buff his speed), his reaction speed and overall observation haki should be reflective of the tier he sits in. Movement speed is not the same as reaction speed, Sanji has always had higher movement speed than Zoro, yet Zoro has had comparable or even greater reaction speed.

Even if there's a big distance you realise Zoro can send an AdCoc infused slash? And Sanji can fly and close the distance? There's no fair one on one condition where Doffy is beating Zoro or Sanji.

G4 Luffy destroyed countless biscuit soldiers.
I haven't read manga till WCI-ending. Apparently most of Luffy vs Cracker was offscreened in manga? But as per anime, KKG from Luffy in R1 did what you said and almost beat Cracker, before he just ran out of time. Cause he wasted some time trying to figure out Cracker's ability

I don't think so. Luffy was ploughing through all the biscuit warriors. Cracker's haki and buscuit's thickness was no match at all, they were getting one shotted left and right. Luffy's issue was the timelimit
Katakuri outright overpowered G4 Luffy using his block mochi.


Actually it does. Doflamingo got Sanji in his strings. Law shambled him, after which Sanji was fine.
Which is why I said it's situational dude. Doflamingo's variation is high - his DF usage is above his tier, but his stats/haaki are weak relative to his tier.
I didn't say he would string people easy, but he can definitely pull it off within a few minutes if he survives that long. He did manage to string G4 Luffy, Luffy simply instantly broke free

Doesn't matter if Sanji is faster or slower than G4 Luffy, point is that they are around same speed, the difference isn't too high. Doflamingo started getting somewhat used to the G4 speed after taking a couple of blows, it was just that he couldn't do jackshit against Luffy's rubbery armament. His strings got countered and his haki was no match.
Doffy was far more nerfed that Luffy.
I've been rewatching OP, in Dresrossa arc and reached G4 Luffy vs Doflamingo.
Luffy didn't fight anyone really, after his fight against Don Chinjao. Oh, except Bellamy lol, but that was just Luffy trying to make him see sense before smacking him out cold.
Here is how it went: Luffy and Law reach the top (notable events) -> brief skirmish, Law uses shambles and allows Luffy to get an off guard red hawk in G2 on Doffy -> Doffy strings Luffy's hand, uses clone + string on Bellamy, both fight Luffy and separate him from Law -> Luffy stay jobbing with the clone + Bellamy, while Law fight Doffy -> Law lands counter shock (I think) on Doffy, but ultimately gets convincingly overwhelmed and loses an arm -> Luffy is done with jobbing and gets back; Law lands "gamma knife" on Doffy when he's distracted/overconfident -> Doflamingo's organs are all destroyed, but he barely keeps them functional using his strings as emergency ->
Finally, Luffy vs Doflamingo starts.
Luffy only went through Bellamy, and starts the fight relatively fresh. Doflamingo starts the battle with his organs ruptured


I get your point about speed vs cqc/reaction speed.
But the thing is, Queen is low in reaction speed as well. Sanji, even before getting his Germa biology awakened, was still mostly smacking around Queen. Queen couldn't really keep up at all. It was just that, before Germa biology, Queen could just keep on tanking Sanji's attacks without much issues.


Dolfamingo will dodge the advanced conqueror's slash, since there is considerable distance in this battle condition. And the land Zoro is standing on will turn to string and attack him. I see no scenario where Zoro takes the win under this condition.
Like I said, Sanji can fly, so things are more tricky here. Sanji might still win here

Doflamingo’s stats & skills are lopsided for a YC3 lv Pirate. If his Haki was stronger he’ll be a bigger problem

This exactly!!

Doflamingo's skills/DF usage is like admiral tier

But his stats/haki are Tobiroppo tier

This is why this guy can situationally strike above his general tier IMO.

 

[Crimson Ice]

G4 Luffy destroyed countless biscuit soldiers.
I haven't read manga till WCI-ending. Apparently most of Luffy vs Cracker was offscreened in manga? But as per anime, KKG from Luffy in R1 did what you said and almost beat Cracker, before he just ran out of time. Cause he wasted some time trying to figure out Cracker's ability

The KKG was anime filler. And Luffy himself wasn't making any good progress on Cracker and needed Nami.

I don't think so. Luffy was ploughing through all the biscuit warriors. Cracker's haki and buscuit's thickness was no match at all, they were getting one shotted left and right. Luffy's issue was the timelimit
Katakuri outright overpowered G4 Luffy using his block mochi.

Luffy needed Gear 4th just to beat a single biscuit soldier. Being able to run through some of them meant nothing as Cracker was easily able to replace them as they were destroyed. Luffy was making no ground on Cracker and his only shot was a hail mary KKG otherwise he would have lost badly without Nami. There's a reason Cracker didn't have a single scratch right until the end of the fight, Luffy couldn't even get to Cracker's main body without Nami.

Actually it does. Doflamingo got Sanji in his strings. Law shambled him, after which Sanji was fine.
Which is why I said it's situational dude. Doflamingo's variation is high - his DF usage is above his tier, but his stats/haaki are weak relative to his tier.
I didn't say he would string people easy, but he can definitely pull it off within a few minutes if he survives that long. He did manage to string G4 Luffy, Luffy simply instantly broke free.

No, it doesn't. We never saw Law get caught in parasite, nor would shambles logically work if Law is unable to move. Most of his abilities require some type of movement. Doflamingo isn't parasite striking anyone strong enough to be a Yonko's top Commander in a fair fight. Iirc Doflamingo strings base Luffy who uses Gear 4th to break out.

Doesn't matter if Sanji is faster or slower than G4 Luffy, point is that they are around same speed, the difference isn't too high. Doflamingo started getting somewhat used to the G4 speed after taking a couple of blows, it was just that he couldn't do jackshit against Luffy's rubbery armament. His strings got countered and his haki was no match.

Man, I said Sanji is noticeably faster than any version of Luffy that's NOT Snakeman. Sanji is definitely faster than Dressrosa Boundman Luffy. the same Luffy that Doffy was struggling to keep up against.

Doffy was far more nerfed that Luffy.
I've been rewatching OP, in Dresrossa arc and reached G4 Luffy vs Doflamingo.
Luffy didn't fight anyone really, after his fight against Don Chinjao. Oh, except Bellamy lol, but that was just Luffy trying to make him see sense before smacking him out cold.
Here is how it went: Luffy and Law reach the top (notable events) -> brief skirmish, Law uses shambles and allows Luffy to get an off guard red hawk in G2 on Doffy -> Doffy strings Luffy's hand, uses clone + string on Bellamy, both fight Luffy and separate him from Law -> Luffy stay jobbing with the clone + Bellamy, while Law fight Doffy -> Law lands counter shock (I think) on Doffy, but ultimately gets convincingly overwhelmed and loses an arm -> Luffy is done with jobbing and gets back; Law lands "gamma knife" on Doffy when he's distracted/overconfident -> Doflamingo's organs are all destroyed, but he barely keeps them functional using his strings as emergency ->
Finally, Luffy vs Doflamingo starts.
Luffy only went through Bellamy, and starts the fight relatively fresh. Doflamingo starts the battle with his organs ruptured

Not going to sit here break it down. Doffy took more damage, but Oda went out of his way to highlight the damage and fatigue of both of them heading into that section of the fight.

I get your point about speed vs cqc/reaction speed.
But the thing is, Queen is low in reaction speed as well. Sanji, even before getting his Germa biology awakened, was still mostly smacking around Queen. Queen couldn't really keep up at all. It was just that, before Germa biology, Queen could just keep on tanking Sanji's attacks without much issues.

This just isn't true. Sanji and Queen was mostly off-panel and Queen wasn't getting blitzed around by Sanji. In fact, Sanji is the one who ends up getting caught off guard/blitzed by Queen and only doesn't lose because he literally develops a healing factor mid fight.

Dolfamingo will dodge the advanced conqueror's slash, since there is considerable distance in this battle condition. And the land Zoro is standing on will turn to string and attack him. I see no scenario where Zoro takes the win under this condition.
Like I said, Sanji can fly, so things are more tricky here. Sanji might still win here

Zoro's attacks are fast enough to tag Yonko and people of King's calibre, Doffy is getting smacked with it even a distance. Zoro murders Doffy under any fair condition.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Whose out here voting for Doflamingo

 

[XXGenesis]

Sanji losses because Doflamingo has strings. And he’s wrapped up ppl stronger than him

 

[LaGOAT]

Sanji wins mid diff

 

[XXGenesis]

Sanji wins mid diff

Nah man he loses..not a serious reply.

according to some Doffy simply wraps you up in his strings and he wins, if you can’t counter by changing body size/shape…So therefor Sanji loses…

Sanji should win this mid-high. A few of their stats are close or even but Sanji is leading with the AP, able to damage and hurt Queen…But if Doffy is the string for everyone is trying to make him out to be..Sanji ain’t winning because he’s gonna get strung up…

 

[Pirate Queen]

Imagine comparing Post Germa-Awakening Sanji to Pre-Enma Zoro and thinking you made a point

 

[grey matter]

Nah man he loses..not a serious reply.

according to some Doffy simply wraps you up in his strings and he wins, if you can’t counter by changing body size/shape…So therefor Sanji loses…

Sanji should win this mid-high. A few of their stats are close or even but Sanji is leading with the AP, able to damage and hurt Queen…But if Doffy is the string for everyone is trying to make him out to be..Sanji ain’t winning because he’s gonna get strung up…

Imagine comparing Post Germa-Awakening Sanji to Pre-Enma Zoro and thinking you made a point

I don't see the issue with the string argument. Doflamingo's strings can tie up one of the (physically) strongest non Yonko characters out there. There are very few characters who can break themselves free once tied up by Doffy, unless they can change their body or teleport or something.

And once you get tied up and can't break free, finishing you off is just a formality. Will happen in due time.

It depends on the starting distance. I Doflamingo has the room to get his strings working, he's a very tricky opponent.
Provided there is enough distance, I'd argue Doflamingo beats even current Zoro.


Scenario 1: Fight starts 15m apart
Zoro wins - low diff, Sanji wins - mid diff

Scenario 2: Fight starts 500m apart
Zoro loses - mid-high diff, Doflamingo turns the land he stands on to strings and eventually string him up. Zoro's "flying" skills (with sword force on air) is in it's infancy, he can't rely on it to bail him out with strings all around him.
Sanji vs Doffy can go either way, since Sanji can fly comfortably and is fast. But I lean on Doflamingo

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't see the issue with the string argument. Doflamingo's strings can tie up one of the (physically) strongest non Yonko characters out there. There are very few characters who can break themselves free once tied up by Doffy, unless they can change their body or teleport or something.

And once you get tied up and can't break free, finishing you off is just a formality. Will happen in due time.

It depends on the starting distance. I Doflamingo has the room to get his strings working, he's a very tricky opponent.
Provided there is enough distance, I'd argue Doflamingo beats even current Zoro.


Scenario 1: Fight starts 15m apart
Zoro wins - low diff, Sanji wins - mid diff

Scenario 2: Fight starts 500m apart
Zoro loses - mid-high diff, Doflamingo turns the land he stands on to strings and eventually string him up. Zoro's "flying" skills (with sword force on air) is in it's infancy, he can't rely on it to bail him out with strings all around him.
Sanji vs Doffy can go either way, since Sanji can fly comfortably and is fast. But I lean on Doflamingo

Doflamingo can tie up Sanji all he wants, he isn't getting past Sanji's exoskeleton let alone if Sanji coats himself in Hardening.
And Zoro I believe Zoro can use A Advanced CoC barrier to break the strings attached to him(this is speculation but I have no reason to suspect it wouldn't work) especially since Zoro's CoC is far stronger than Doflamingo's.

Current Sanji for me is solid YC1 where as WCI Zoro for me is barely YC 3/4. Doflamingo I'm putting right under a YC1.

Zoro and Sanji realistically have advantages over Doflamingo and in a perfect world Zoro would be strong enough to break/cut the threads whereas Sanji could activate Hell's Memories around him to burn the threads away with a higher intensity heat

 

[XXGenesis]

Sanji’s exoskeleton < Queen Whinch (Eseentially being swung into debris); *Queens last attack did a number in Sanji…..Doffy can easily replicate the same feat and has swung around characters when tied up…So Sanji gets swung….Is Ifrit flames really strong enough to defeat Gods’s Arrows in a clash???

Dodlamingo took G4 full assault. I don’t know if Sanji can dish out more pain and damage than Luffy’s G4 assault he did on Doffy. Sending him from the castle to the city, back to the bottom of the castle from the city…….

Sanji’s boost is good. But is really comparable to G4 Luffy from back then.

 

[LaGOAT]

Sanji’s exoskeleton < Queen Whinch (Eseentially being swung into debris); *Queens last attack did a number in Sanji…..Doffy can easily replicate the same feat and has swung around characters when tied up…So Sanji gets swung….Is Ifrit flames really strong enough to defeat Gods’s Arrows in a clash???

Dodlamingo took G4 full assault. I don’t know if Sanji can dish out more pain and damage than Luffy’s G4 assault he did on Doffy. Sending him from the castle to the city, back to the bottom of the castle from the city…….

Sanji’s boost is good. But is really comparable to G4 Luffy from back then.

Bro wano sanji>dressrosa luffy

 

[Pirate Queen]

Firstly, Current Sanji is faster than WCI Snake man Luffy (doubt he's faster than current Luffy hiwever). Sanji is definitely faster than Dressrisa boundman. Sanji evades Luffy until he runs out of gear 4 and hakiless for 10 minutes. Beef Burst+ several Infinite Jamble's.
Luffy without FS and only G4 cannot beat Current Sanji.

This is a hypothetical 1 v 1 with no PIS. Current Sanji beats Dressrosa Luffy unless Luffy can somehow LAND King Kong Gun on a faster opponent than Katakuri.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Sanji’s exoskeleton < Queen Whinch (Eseentially being swung into debris); *Queens last attack did a number in Sanji…..Doffy can easily replicate the same feat and has swung around characters when tied up…So Sanji gets swung….Is Ifrit flames really strong enough to defeat Gods’s Arrows in a clash???

Dodlamingo took G4 full assault. I don’t know if Sanji can dish out more pain and damage than Luffy’s G4 assault he did on Doffy. Sending him from the castle to the city, back to the bottom of the castle from the city…….

Sanji’s boost is good. But is really comparable to G4 Luffy from back then.

Sanji is significantly stronger than dressrosa Luffy.

Edit: Oh wait, he's not serious...I think.

 

[XXGenesis]

Sanji is significantly stronger than dressrosa Luffy.

Edit: Oh wait, he's not serious...I think.

I see how I wrote my previous post ya took I meant Sanji would lost to Dressrosa Luffy; Not what I meant.

In terms of Physical feats & presentation; Sanji in terms of lifting and striking maybe close but isn’t stronger than Boundman. Kong Gun/Leo Bazooka both sent Doflamingo flying across Dressrosa, Doflamingo still got back up from that.

Sanji maybe faster than Doflamingo, Have higher AP than Doffy and better defense.

Doflamingo has good DF skills capable of stringing Sanji up, an awakened Fruit, crazy endurance. Once Sanji is strung up, a heat string, Gods arrow is gonna wreck Sanji.

I would vote Sanji in Mid-high.
Doffy high win if we wanna troll and say his strings are just godly and strings everybody up. Because he has the endurance feats & skills to pull a win against Sanji.

 

[grey matter]

Doflamingo can tie up Sanji all he wants, he isn't getting past Sanji's exoskeleton let alone if Sanji coats himself in Hardening.
And Zoro I believe Zoro can use A Advanced CoC barrier to break the strings attached to him(this is speculation but I have no reason to suspect it wouldn't work) especially since Zoro's CoC is far stronger than Doflamingo's.

Current Sanji for me is solid YC1 where as WCI Zoro for me is barely YC 3/4. Doflamingo I'm putting right under a YC1.

Zoro and Sanji realistically have advantages over Doflamingo and in a perfect world Zoro would be strong enough to break/cut the threads whereas Sanji could activate Hell's Memories around him to burn the threads away with a higher intensity heat

Pretty sure Doflamingo has the attack power to get through Sanji's exoskeleton. The sword breaking was likely because Queen didn't use haki with it, considering Queen was able to damage Sanji through his exoskeleton without much trouble later on.
Doffy wasn't able to damage Luffy because of rubbery armament, plus he wasn't able to get a clean/charged hit since Luffy was much faster - which wouldn't be an issue once you get tied up.
Doflamingo will definitely need to exert himself to get through Sanji's exoskeleton + armament, but it's definitely doable.


Actually yeah, advanced conqueror's can break the strings with "gap" technique. Forgot about that.
But as long as Doflamingo keeps the distance, he should take the W. Current Zoro can't use advanced conqueror's for more than 5 minutes. He also can't fly well, meaning that he will have to rely on his haki to even not get stabbed by the ground he stands on (once Doflamingo uses awakening). Zoro gets defeated fairly convincingly if the fight starts at a significant distance

I doubt fire can break the strings, considering Doflamingo himself use fire with his strings.
Advanced conqueror's can break the strings, but Zoro's time limit on advanced conqueor's means it won't be of much help in a scenario where fight starts at a high distance.

Like I said, Doflamingo is a tricky boi.
The dude's stats are only like higher ends of Tobiroppo tier, but his DF mastery is like admiral tier.
Allow him room to get his strings going, he can strike above his tier against opponents who can't change their body.

Doffy high win if we wanna troll and say his strings are just godly and strings everybody up.

How is it a troll? His strings have feats of tying up one of the (physically) strongest non Yonko characters out there.

I even said that, if the fight starts close, say 15m apart, Zoro wins low diff and Sanji wins mid diff.

But give Doflamingo enough room to get his strings rolling? I don't see why he can't pull off a win.

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Bro wano sanji>dressrosa luffy

So?

Luffy can expand, Sanji can't