Discussion Dark Guilds Power Rate [ANNOUNCEMENT!]

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

When I give a character the rating 1, know that I don't remember who they are and I don't care to search it up

 

[Seraph]

Didn't think that Goumon would be Eliminated before Braya or Maya but i guess that's all he was worth then lol.
Guess i still think that Mary or Braya goes next now lmao.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

I don't see why you need to bring a whole torture chamber.

He only needs one weapon.

...Those magic sealing cuffs.

That's how he took out Natsu back then. And people captured/held Marin Hollow, Dimaria, Brandish, Jacob pretty conveniently with them. Plus those sealing cuffs held Erza pretty good in Tartaros.

And now that Natsu is back being human. Acnologia be like.... "Dang! I forgot my magic sealing cuffs at home"

 

[Cosmicstar]

I want to see where Sorano places because a lot of people think she's the weakest link of OS/CS for not doing anything in Alvarez and having a minor role in the Jellal vs OS fight.

But in OS arc, Angel:

-copied Ichiya, who is all powerful
-took out Jura, a wizard Saint
-Copied Gray
-Almost killed Natsu
-We learned she killed Karen, a famous celestial spirit wizard and one of top members of blue Pegasus
-Took down Hibiki with Lucy's magic
-Wrecked Lucy
-Only got defeated by Hibiki giving Lucy UM

And in Kotss, Angel fought Gray

Angel was smart but not powerful. Most of her battles involved tricking her opponents.

Tricking Natsu onto moving rafter.
Having Gemini distract Taurus with Lucy breast.
Having Scorpio take Aquarius out on a date.
Making Jura smell a funky potion.
She killed Karen who couldn't summon a spirit because of Leo.

Most of these are CIS or PIS. Without the characters acting dumb Angel would have gotten wrecked. KOTSS feats are filler and can't be applied to the Manga. Not to mention you would be talking about OS that was taken down by Tenrou level Fairy Tail. She still ranks towards the bottom in power.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Angel was smart but not powerful. Most of her battles involved tricking her opponents.

Tricking Natsu onto moving rafter.
Having Gemini distract Taurus with Lucy breast.
Having Scorpio take Aquarius out on a date.
Making Jura smell a funky potion.
She killed Karen who couldn't summon a spirit because of Leo.

Most of these are CIS or PIS. Without the characters acting dumb Angel would have gotten wrecked. KOTSS feats are filler and can't be applied to the Manga. Not to mention you would be talking about OS that was taken down by Tenrou level Fairy Tail. She still ranks towards the bottom in power.

Angel was smart which is one way celestial spirit magic needs to be used because the summoner is left defensiveness even if the spirits are strong. The only exceptions to this is having a magical weapon like Lucy's whip or Star dresses.

As of OS with copying Gray and Ichiya, she had a lot of MP. To copying someone with Gemini, you have to have MP equal or greater than them.

After OS reappeared in the manga, we really don't know what she can do. She was wielding a new magic form which we have no comparison for... angel magic. It did appear in the anime but like you said that's filler.

And in Jellal's fight she didn't do anything.

Plus her reputation is not helped this latest arc, Mashima forgot about Sorano and Yukino until plot prevailed. While Jet, Droy, Lisanna, Romeo were all fighting Alvarez roops.... Yukino and Sorano just stood around talking. Even when Minerva told them to go after Neinhart, they didn't do anything. No angel magic. No celestial magic. Then Larcade appeared and Sorano was again forgotten as Yukino got captured to be rescued by Sting and Kagura. She didn't even get to do anything worthy of hugging her sister.

So if all the OS have scaled upward since the OS arc .... how strong she is she now? We just don't know but in OS Sorano could summon two spirits. Lucy only got that ability in Gmg. Yukino also had the ability to summoning two spirits in Gmg. So Sorano was already at that level, seven years previously. So she was that strong + seven year time skip.

By that alone, Sorano's MP currently is stronger than Yukino. And most people consider the sabertooth girl to be mid tier because her spirits are cool and they don't want to underman Kagura's only named battle win in the series. Sorano' s sister also suffers from not having any current feats. I would rank her as of Tartaros as better than Flare, Hoteye, Oobra, Avatar, Lammy, lower 7 kin like TartarosMeredy, Cain, Zoledo. And if her Kotss feats were canon, I would but her ahead of a few other people too.

And that is why I am genuinely curious where she would rank.

Now for her wins back in OS being just tricks and PiS....

Sorano destroyed Lucy with Gemini at the very beginning of the OS arc during the group battle when Wendy was kidnaped. She also did her Jura to inhale Ichiya's perfume. But that is Ichiya's magic. That shouldn't be off limits just because its uncool and was in a nonbattle moment. Lucy copied Marin in a battle to lock Jacob down and that was considered a great feat. it shows Sorano back then was stronger than Ichiya.

Most of that silly stuff came from the actual Angel vs Lucy, which to make the battle more comedy. That is the type of battles Lucy had at the BoS. Sorano was also playing with her because she was another celestial wizard. Similar to Sherry on Galuna, she was using Lucy's own power against her.

Angel also had decent keys that she could use efficient.
- Caelium, a silver key that could shoot Death beams. Who also could transform into a metal sword like weapon. Who magically disappeared from this story faster than Yukino's black key.

- Scorpio who got taken out by his waifu Aquarius but really..... If Scorpio had fought Lucy for real..... Aquarius would have been her only spirit in her arsenal that would have been a counter to sand. Mashima just was lazy. And ships >> battle even back then.

- Gemini was the spirit that gave most of her wins. Just because of her vast MP and tricky nature. There was really no normal way for most people to counter this without PiS
unless Erza took her out the way she did to Evergreen in the previous arc.

-Aries isn't that good offensively but her wool is great at defense and support by putting people to sleep.

And tricking Natsu into a raft..... from seeing Bora vs Natsu to Acnologia vs Erza. Putting dragon slayers on moving vehicles is the way to go in this series

Most people will vote her low tier on this ranking because she got beat by Lucy (and for some people that instantly makes an opponents fodser) and because Angel is more there for fanservice in a sea of better looking fanservice.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Angel was smart which is one way celestial spirit magic needs to be used because the summoner is left defensiveness even if the spirits are strong. The only exceptions to this is having a magical weapon like Lucy's whip or Star dresses.

As of OS with copying Gray and Ichiya, she had a lot of MP. To copying someone with Gemini, you have to have MP equal or greater than them.

After OS reappeared in the manga, we really don't know what she can do. She was wielding a new magic form which we have no comparison for... angel magic. It did appear in the anime but like you said that's filler.

And in Jellal's fight she didn't do anything.

Plus her reputation is not helped this latest arc, Mashima forgot about Sorano and Yukino until plot prevailed. While Jet, Droy, Lisanna, Romeo were all fighting Alvarez roops.... Yukino and Sorano just stood around talking. Even when Minerva told them to go after Neinhart, they didn't do anything. No angel magic. No celestial magic. Then Larcade appeared and Sorano was again forgotten as Yukino got captured to be rescued by Sting and Kagura. She didn't even get to do anything worthy of hugging her sister.

So if all the OS have scaled upward since the OS arc .... how strong she is she now? We just don't know but in OS Sorano could summon two spirits. Lucy only got that ability in Gmg. Yukino also had the ability to summoning two spirits in Gmg. So Sorano was already at that level, seven years previously. So she was that strong + seven year time skip.

By that alone, Sorano's MP currently is stronger than Yukino. And most people consider the sabertooth girl to be mid tier because her spirits are cool and they don't want to underman Kagura's only named battle win in the series. Sorano' s sister also suffers from not having any current feats.

And that is why I am genuinely curious where she would rank compared to the 7kin and other people like Flare and lower OS members.

Now for her wins back in OS being just tricks and PiS....

Sorano destroyed Lucy with Gemini at the very beginning of the OS arc during the group battle when Wendy was kidnaped. She also did her Jura to inhale Ichiya's perfume. But that is Ichiya's magic. That shouldn't be off limits just because its uncool and was in a nonbattle moment. Lucy copied Marin in a battle to lock Jacob down and that was considered a great feat. it shows Sorano back then was stronger than Ichiya.

Most of that silly stuff came from the actual Angel vs Lucy, which to make the battle more comedy. That is the type of battles Lucy had at the BoS. Sorano was also playing with her because she was another celestial wizard. Similar to Sherry on Galuna, she was using Lucy's own power against her.

Angel also had decent keys that she could use efficient.
- Caelium, a silver key that could shoot Death beams. Who also could transform into a metal sword like weapon. Who magically disappeared from this story faster than Yukino's black key.

- Scorpio who got taken out by his waifu Aquarius but really..... If Scorpio had fought Lucy for real..... Aquarius would have been her only spirit in her arsenal that would have been a counter to sand. Mashima just was lazy. And ships >> battle even back then.

- Gemini was the spirit that gave most of her wins. Just because of her vast MP and tricky nature. There was really no normal way for most people to counter this without PiS
unless Erza took her out the way she did to Evergreen in the previous arc.

-Aries isn't that good offensively but her wool is great at defense and support by putting people to sleep.

And tricking Natsu into a raft..... from seeing Bora vs Natsu to Acnologia vs Erza. Putting dragon slayers on moving vehicles is the way to go in this series

Most people will vote her low tier on this ranking because she got beat by Lucy (and for some people that instantly makes an opponents fodser) and because Angel is more there for fanservice in a sea of better looking fanservice.

There is being smart and then there is plot induced stupidity. Aquarius going on a date or Taurus being distracted by Lucy's boobs are clearly plot induce stupidity. Leo was stronger than Aries shown and stated. Aquarius was superior to Scorpio and Taurus was superior to Gemini transformed as Lucy. If she was stronger than Lucy she would have beat her in a straight up battle without using dirty tricks.

Nothing suggest during that arc her magical power was superior to Lucy's or Gray's. We got stats for some of the spirits. Angel could only summon 1 zodiac key and a silver key at the same time which is totally different from summoning 2 zodiac keys. All we know is her magical power was somewhere near Lucy during that arc. Which honestly doesn't say anything about Angel being a uber mage.

The Official stats for some of the Spirits given by Hiro Mashima himself were.

Aquarius Summon was 100
Virgo Summon was 43
Taurus summon was 52
Hologium was 16
Plue was 1
Cancer was 51
Lyra was 18

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial_Spirit/Statistics

So at this point Lucy could also summon 2 keys at once. She could have summoned Virgo and Taurus or Virgo and Cancer, etc. They would cost less energy than summoning Aquarius. Aquarius and Leo are the strongest celestial spirits.

Your over estimating Angels power. Ichya(Gemini) only took Jura by surprise. Ichya isn't a powerhouse by any means. He was done in by fodders that exact arc.

Spoiler

Renders the Jura feat mute.

While Lucy and Gray were strong at this point they weren't powerhouses. Gray was weaker than Racer. Angel needed to lure him into a trap.

Spoiler

Then there was the confirmed Aries being no match for Leo.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Angel was smart and manipulative but far from a uber mage. He strength relied greatly in her opponents stupidness or as I like to say Character induced stupidity. Had Aquarius and Tauru took thier fights seriously they would have overpowered Scorpio and Gemini.

Angel did crap against Jellal:

Spoiler

Now Angel isn't fodder but she is without a doubt the weakest OS member which is the Weakest Dark Guild of the Big 3. The only people I see Angel beaing out is Lamy, Avatar crew minus Arlock and that is it.

 

[Ebony Maw]

I don't see why you need to bring a whole torture chamber.

He only needs one weapon.

...Those magic sealing cuffs.

That's how he took out Natsu back then. And people captured/held Marin Hollow, Dimaria, Brandish, Jacob pretty conveniently with them. Plus those sealing cuffs held Erza pretty good in Tartaros.

And now that Natsu is back being human. Acnologia be like.... "Dang! I forgot my magic sealing cuffs at home"

That is actually a very good point. I completely forgot about those.

Ah well, in the grand scheme of thing I don't think it would have changed his position too much due to the amount of demons in this rating. Plus most of the other dark mages likely wouldn't get caught off guard by his chains.

 

[Jko]

There is being smart and then there is plot induced stupidity. Aquarius going on a date or Taurus being distracted by Lucy's boobs are clearly plot induce stupidity. Leo was stronger than Aries shown and stated. Aquarius was superior to Scorpio and Taurus was superior to Gemini transformed as Lucy. If she was stronger than Lucy she would have beat her in a straight up battle without using dirty tricks.

Nothing suggest during that arc her magical power was superior to Lucy's or Gray's. We got stats for some of the spirits. Angel could only summon 1 zodiac key and a silver key at the same time which is totally different from summoning 2 zodiac keys. All we know is her magical power was somewhere near Lucy during that arc. Which honestly doesn't say anything about Angel being a uber mage.

The Official stats for some of the Spirits given by Hiro Mashima himself were.

Aquarius Summon was 100
Virgo Summon was 43
Taurus summon was 52
Hologium was 16
Plue was 1
Cancer was 51
Lyra was 18

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial_Spirit/Statistics

So at this point Lucy could also summon 2 keys at once. She could have summoned Virgo and Taurus or Virgo and Cancer, etc. They would cost less energy than summoning Aquarius. Aquarius and Leo are the strongest celestial spirits.

Your over estimating Angels power. Ichya(Gemini) only took Jura by surprise. Ichya isn't a powerhouse by any means. He was done in by fodders that exact arc.

Spoiler

Renders the Jura feat mute.

While Lucy and Gray were strong at this point they weren't powerhouses. Gray was weaker than Racer. Angel needed to lure him into a trap.

Spoiler

Then there was the confirmed Aries being no match for Leo.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Angel was smart and manipulative but far from a uber mage. He strength relied greatly in her opponents stupidness or as I like to say Character induced stupidity. Had Aquarius and Tauru took thier fights seriously they would have overpowered Scorpio and Gemini.

Angel did crap against Jellal:

Spoiler

Now Angel isn't fodder but she is without a doubt the weakest OS member which is the Weakest Dark Guild of the Big 3. The only people I see Angel beaing out is Lamy, Avatar crew minus Arlock and that is it.

Angel was the first OS member to hit and damage Jellal. I wouldn't put her as the weakest lol.

 

[Baszko]

Well looks like we all forgot about hoteye. What he do? Spar with Jura as counter Earth mage ,change sides, get his ass handed to him by Midnight do nothin in fight with Jellal and get smashed to the ground[pun intentional] by August. Thats all. Does he win or at least was close to win any fight? If so i don't remeber any. So as i hate to say this as Earth element lover i think he might be weakest of OS not Angel

 

[Ebony Maw]

"Shadow Clone jut-"​

Wait, wrong manga.



#34

Briar​

Affiliation: Avatar
Magic: Clone Magic, Shockwaves
Score: 4.125

Highest Score: 8 x 2(@natsulucy, @Doughboy)
Lowest Score: 1 x 3(@MonkeyD-Dragon, @Baszko, @DiMaria Yesta)

My Score: 5/10

Another mage from Avatar (they're dropping like flies!), Briar uses an interesting form of black magic to create clones of herself, four clones to be exact. These four clones have different attitudes and are dubbed: Smiling Briar, Angry Briar, Loving Briar and Sad Briar. While these clones seemingly live up to their name, we unfortunately didn't get to see them do anything as all of them bar Loving Briar were one-shotted by Gray, with Loving Briar being appropriately one-shotted by Juvia. Additionally, Briar has shown the ability to generate shockwaves, however it was never shown how powerful they were.​

 

[Seraph]

As expected from me Braya is one of the Early Eliminations and surprisingly before Mary,didn't think that honestly guess Mary's Virus Magic saves her from that Fate for now.
Should be interesting to see who meets his E.N.D() next here,my bet is another Avatar Member or Flare from Raven Tail.
Let's see how it goes.

 

[Takuan]

Yeah, previous posts convince me about my mistake of underestimating Zoldeo. He deserves to be higher on the list than what i anticipated.
Briar deserved to go, that's for sure. She was such a scrub.
Alright so now, from Avatar members, only remain Mary, Arlock and that dude who fought Erza, correct? Let's see... I think they still should survive a little longer. Flare is still in the competition after all. She'll be the next one to fall.

 

[Baszko]

Yeah, previous posts convince me about my mistake of underestimating Zoldeo. He deserves to be higher on the list than what i anticipated.
Briar deserved to go, that's for sure. She was such a scrub.
Alright so now, from Avatar members, only remain Mary, Arlock and that dude who fought Erza, correct? Let's see... I think they still should survive a little longer. Flare is still in the competition after all. She'll be the next one to fall.

Well i am curious whos goes first will it be Avatar or Raven tail. I know Ivan and all but still i don't rank Ivan higher than any OS member GH purgatory 7 or demons. His magic was meh and Ivan himself show us nothing. So maybe he will go before Arlock and Mary whom may save Avatar from being foderized completly and geting overal score 1,5. Also all of my lowest rate[aside for Arlock but i don't include he's sumoned god just barriers] so I score good at last for now next will be Jerome or Flare maybe Mary

 

[Arjuna]

@MLG Bradman regarding my points of Avatar.I suddenly realised i gave it randomly without noticing much.lel kek.

 

[BluePegasus]

@MLG Bradman regarding my points of Avatar.I suddenly realised i gave it randomly without noticing much.lel kek.

Then why are you even participating?

 

[Arjuna]

Then why are you even participating?

I don't need your permission to participate.lol

Joking

The fact of the matter is only with Avatar i made a mistake.Rest of the guilds i gave right marks.The real reason is my phone was disturbing at that time so the Avatar part went bad for me.I needed to type and retype it.So in that process i screwed up that Avatar part.

 

[Ebony Maw]

@MLG Bradman regarding my points of Avatar.I suddenly realised i gave it randomly without noticing much.lel kek.

No worries.

Tbh after reading some of the posts in this thread I feel I've underestimated some of the Avatar characters, Angel and (particularly) Zoldeo.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Had Natsu solo'd Avatar like Jellal and Laxus did Raven tail and OS respectively then they might have been considered higher

There is being smart and then there is plot induced stupidity. Aquarius going on a date or Taurus being distracted by Lucy's boobs are clearly plot induce stupidity. Leo was stronger than Aries shown and stated. Aquarius was superior to Scorpio and Taurus was superior to Gemini transformed as Lucy. If she was stronger than Lucy she would have beat her in a straight up battle without using dirty tricks.

Nothing suggest during that arc her magical power was superior to Lucy's or Gray's. We got stats for some of the spirits. Angel could only summon 1 zodiac key and a silver key at the same time which is totally different from summoning 2 zodiac keys. All we know is her magical power was somewhere near Lucy during that arc. Which honestly doesn't say anything about Angel being a uber mage.

The Official stats for some of the Spirits given by Hiro Mashima himself were.

Aquarius Summon was 100
Virgo Summon was 43
Taurus summon was 52
Hologium was 16
Plue was 1
Cancer was 51
Lyra was 18

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial_Spirit/Statistics

So at this point Lucy could also summon 2 keys at once. She could have summoned Virgo and Taurus or Virgo and Cancer, etc. They would cost less energy than summoning Aquarius. Aquarius and Leo are the strongest celestial spirits.

Your over estimating Angels power. Ichya(Gemini) only took Jura by surprise. Ichya isn't a powerhouse by any means. He was done in by fodders that exact arc.

Spoiler

Renders the Jura feat mute.

While Lucy and Gray were strong at this point they weren't powerhouses. Gray was weaker than Racer. Angel needed to lure him into a trap.

Spoiler

Then there was the confirmed Aries being no match for Leo.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Angel was smart and manipulative but far from a uber mage. He strength relied greatly in her opponents stupidness or as I like to say Character induced stupidity. Had Aquarius and Tauru took thier fights seriously they would have overpowered Scorpio and Gemini.

Angel did crap against Jellal:

Spoiler

Now Angel isn't fodder but she is without a doubt the weakest OS member which is the Weakest Dark Guild of the Big 3. The only people I see Angel beaing out is Lamy, Avatar crew minus Arlock and that is it.

Twice in the manga it has stated that Gemini can only copy those that are less than or equal to the summoner. Sorano copied Lucy, Gray and Ichiya. Ichiya and Lucy might have been fodder, but Gray was of a higher tier. While she might have only been equal to Gray in MP, she had both her silver key and Gemini!Lucy summoned while fighting Lucy. Sure the silver key might not have been that much but Lyra expends more energy to summon then Horologium. And caelium shoots magical beams and transforms so in theory he should use more energy then them even he isn't on a gold key level. So Angel would have been greater than or equal to Gemini!Lucy + energy her silver needed.

In theory, Lucy should have been able to summon two weaker spirits in battle before Gmg but that wasn't how it was executed. She need Ultear's hax before Gmg for her magic to do that.

Sorano also called many zodiacs in succession. Something Lucy had only started doing as of the OS arc. In fact in Edolas, Virgo gave Lucy a magic whip to help that. And on Tenrou Lucy ran out of MP because summoning even a bunch of spirits one at a time is hard. Plus it did not wear Sorano, which we have seen in Tartaros.

I think Sorano has the opportunity to beat in this ranking - Avatar, Cain, Meredy (she has a fandom tho), Zoledo, Flare (weaker than Gmg Lucy and had to cheat twice); Hoteye (depending on generosity of vote); and maybe Oobra (depends on how many 11's he got since he is the only pseudoSpriggan in the dark guilds).

 

[Ebony Maw]

Because you're worth it​

Look at that luscious hair!








#33

Flare Corona​

Affiliation: Raven Tail
Magic: Crimson Hair
Score: 4.179

Highest Score: 7.5 x 1(@Doughboy)
Lowest Score: 1 x 2(@CaptainTorch, @DiMaria Yesta)

My Score: 5/10

Originally from the Sun Village, Flare was a member of Raven Tail during the Grand Magic Games, where she used her Crimson Hair, gifted to her by the Eternal Flame, to battle Lucy Heartfilia. In this battle, we see that Flare's hair has quite a few interesting qualities, with it being strong enough to dig underground, flexible enough to contort into different shapes, and even being able to change temperatures to the point where she could brand Lucy. We also see later that it is fast and sturdy enough to catch a bullet. Flare mainly uses these abilities to smash her opponents into things, but she can also use it to be sneaky and threaten bystanders if needed. Overall, she has a pretty versatile magic, it was too bad she faced an opponent who could cut her hair.​

 

[Baszko]

so Flare... Called it but i am still kinda sad. Give her low score but still i would like to Jerome to go out before her . I liked her as charater so i may upvote a bit[lols for Lucy redhead stalker] but what happens that happens. I say Jerme is next[and i know she cheted to win but sill she left beter impression than Avatar ] Well i say at last some charater get more deserved respect!