Discussion Detailed Power Ranking and commentaries

[Uriel]

Interesting. I don't like rankings in OP because they seem pointless in a system where you reach certain scale power and then the matches are decides by circumstances, but still I want to read your point on it. I'll wait for you to finish to make any judgement :P

 

[weixiaobao]

Interesting. I don't like rankings in OP because they seem pointless in a system where you reach certain scale power and then the matches are decides by circumstances

I only agree to a certain extent. Yes, it is true that Luffy defeats Enel (who is probably one of the strongest character). But in my opinion, during the time in skypiea, Enel would beats Luffy 9 out of 10 rematches. Enel had showed enough intelligent to counter Luffy. As long as he had gold he can defeat Luffy. One golden ball was already way too much of a hassle. I doubt Luffy can survive with all his limbs locked. Enel had also showed quite many physical feats also.

>___< you will probably have to wait for a while. I didn't realize how much writing will go into this especially with school started again. My college classes are not a breeze like high school.

 

[Uriel]

I only agree to a certain extent. Yes, it is true that Luffy defeats Enel (who is probably one of the strongest character). But in my opinion, during the time in skypiea, Enel would beats Luffy 9 out of 10 rematches. Enel had showed enough intelligent to counter Luffy. As long as he had gold he can defeat Luffy. One golden ball was already way too much of a hassle. I doubt Luffy can survive with all his limbs locked. Enel had also showed quite many physical feats also.

Thing is that Luffy is smart as well when it comes to fighting. So I think Luffy would win 10 out of 10 times. No kidding here. Electricity is too easy to counter.

 

[weixiaobao]

Based on the One Piece wiki, Luffy is a genius at fighting. But how much can he do without his friends help if he got chained by 2 or 4 golden balls.
Anyhow if you read my new analysis, the sheer volume of electricity that Enel produced in reality could forced its way through insulin like rubber.
But electricity, I supposed isn't my favorite Enel's ability. His speed and alchemy is. I think with the Ark Maxim as a weapon and gold as the medium, he is almost unstoppable. Also, physically Enel isn't weak. He was seen blocking pre time skipped Zoro. And he can stood back up to go to the moon, after taking that one powerful golden punch from Luffy. This can't be said about Crocodile or Rob Lucci. Though, we can only guess how much is the punch compare to G2 Gatling and G3 punch.

If the fight take place in the sky, Enel from a safe distance can knock all the sky islands away and let Luffy falls to his death.

Okay, in less favorable circumstances, the battle ended up as a draw, because Enel won't fight Luffy head on (which in the manga he had a tendency of doing). And Luffy at that time don't have the speed to catch up.

Lastly ranking isn't just that one match and one opponent of that one level, Enel need to fare against other opponents under the same criteria also.

I ranked Enel higher than Crocodile even though I think Crocodile can kick Enel's ass every time due to sand isn't a conductor of electricity.

 

[Jdapenao]

According to Oda Enel bounty could reach up to 500 million Beli in the Blue seas (SBS of Vol 43). I hope this help you with your ranking, if you already know, please disregard.

 

[suraj5898]

I only agree to a certain extent. Yes, it is true that Luffy defeats Enel (who is probably one of the strongest character). But in my opinion, during the time in skypiea, Enel would beats Luffy 9 out of 10 rematches. Enel had showed enough intelligent to counter Luffy. As long as he had gold he can defeat Luffy. One golden ball was already way too much of a hassle. I doubt Luffy can survive with all his limbs locked. Enel had also showed quite many physical feats also.

dont u think it's not right that enel will win 9 out of 10 rematches . and that he will defeat luffy now 9 time one after one. u r forgetting luffy may be idiot but when it come to fight he is very smart so it can be 5 out of 10 because just like enel find way to defeat luffy luffy will also find a way to defeat enel

 

[weixiaobao]

dont u think it's not right that enel will win 9 out of 10 rematches . and that he will defeat luffy now 9 time one after one. u r forgetting luffy may be idiot but when it come to fight he is very smart so it can be 5 out of 10 because just like enel find way to defeat luffy luffy will also find a way to defeat enel

I think my assessment is correct. At that point in time, Luffy didn't reached his full potential in physical power. He did that when battling Blueno. He didn't reached his full potential in his devil fruit: gear 2 and gear 3 until much later. Nor did he showed any sign of Haki.

On the other hand, Enel master one aspect of haki and his devil fruit. Like I said, if in unfavorable condition, and Enel only need to dodge, Luffy cannot touch him. Enel's best defense is his speed and mantra plus he can hide in certain conductor medium. This is already taken into the factor that Luffy is a genius at fighting. The fact is that he only beat Enel the first time around is with the help of the other Strawhats after he fell. Without them he could never reached that high in the sky.

 

[suraj5898]

I think my assessment is correct. At that point in time, Luffy didn't reached his full potential in physical power. He did that when battling Blueno. He didn't reached his full potential in his devil fruit: gear 2 and gear 3 until much later. Nor did he showed any sign of Haki.

On the other hand, Enel master one aspect of haki and his devil fruit. Like I said, if in unfavorable condition, and Enel only need to dodge, Luffy cannot touch him. Enel's best defense is his speed and mantra plus he can hide in certain conductor medium. This is already taken into the factor that Luffy is a genius at fighting. The fact is that he only beat Enel the first time around is with the help of the other Strawhats after he fell. Without them he could never reached that high in the sky.

didnt u underestimate luffy too much. bro when u underestimate ur opponent he will defeat u sooner or later
when u say this and that u forget 2 things
1) did u remember Shiki the Golden Lion he was also fly let me tell u how luffy defeat him
luffy using Gear Third, luffy places his giant foot into the clouds, gaining an electric charge and uses this to enhance his giant axe. Shiki at first thinks the lighting will kill Luffy, not realizing Luffy's rubber state will protect him. By the time Shiki realizes his mistake, Luffy hits him with the attack, both smashing and electrifying him to the ground, defeating him and destroying an entire island in the process that time shiki was in air
2) the main point luffy is main character of one piece so dont u think its unbelievable to think enel will defeat luffy 9 of 9 . on other hand luffy defeat enel 9 of 9 is believable
even then i say it will be 5/5 because as u say after his first defeat enel find a way to defeat luffy i say luffy will find a way to defeat him that why it's 5/5 if not that i would have say luffy have more win then enel
last we see enel was on moon where he is strongest one on other hand luffy fight powerful fighter train under one of strongest fighter so he have improve much more then enel

 

[weixiaobao]

didnt u underestimate luffy too much. bro when u underestimate ur opponent he will defeat u sooner or later
when u say this and that u forget 2 things
1) did u remember Shiki the Golden Lion he was also fly let me tell u how luffy defeat him
luffy using Gear Third, luffy places his giant foot into the clouds, gaining an electric charge and uses this to enhance his giant axe. Shiki at first thinks the lighting will kill Luffy, not realizing Luffy's rubber state will protect him. By the time Shiki realizes his mistake, Luffy hits him with the attack, both smashing and electrifying him to the ground, defeating him and destroying an entire island in the process that time shiki was in air

These statement tell me that you didn't read my ranking at all. I gonna addressed Shiki first. As canon as he is, I will not include him in the ranking because I haven't watch the movie. Beside, I am uncomfortable at the fact that some one on Gold Roger level is defeated by Luffy preskip. Lastly the luffy in the movie is different than the Luffy we are talking about here.

2) the main point luffy is main character of one piece so dont u think its unbelievable to think enel will defeat luffy 9 of 9 . on other hand luffy defeat enel 9 of 9 is believable
even then i say it will be 5/5 because as u say after his first defeat enel find a way to defeat luffy i say luffy will find a way to defeat him that why it's 5/5 if not that i would have say luffy have more win then enel
last we see enel was on moon where he is strongest one on other hand luffy fight powerful fighter train under one of strongest fighter so he have improve much more then enel

Irrelevant, I have multiple ranking of Luffy. Luffy at 30 mil bounty, Luffy at 100 mil bounty, Luffy at 400 mil bounty. They are all separate. If you want to start a discussion read my ranking first and I know it is quite incomplete. As far as I am to be concern, Luffy not quite defeat Enel the first time around. Luffy got help. Beside at the end, Enel has no interest in battling Luffy. As evidence, he didn't get knock out by Luffy. He was quite okay, he just left for the moon because that what he want. In contrast, Crocodile did get knock out by Luffy and got arrested (except at that point he isn't motivated enough to do anything). Rob Lucci battle a different Luffy than the Luffy that Enel encounter. Rob Lucci got beat so bad that he was out cold and need medical treatment. I have so far rank Luffy at 30 mil and at 100 mil. I have not yet rank Luffy at 300 or 400 mil. But to be honest, with the rubber advantage, post skipped, Luffy will beat Enel 10 out of 10 times. This is due to the fact Luffy's Mantra is only somewhat below Enel. But his other 2 Haki types are way superior.

Lastly, that is why there are repeat battles, because after the 1 initial battle, each enemies got to know one another. If you recall, Enel was very smart when fighting Luffy by not fighting Luffy at all.

 

[suraj5898]

you r right i didnt read ur ranking but thing is u read my post but didnt understand

 

[weixiaobao]

you r right i didnt read ur ranking but thing is u read my post but didnt understand

So technically, you are off topic. You don't know what my position is. You don't know what the topic is. You don't know what you are arguing against or arguing for. Anyhow, I just finish writing the Enel section. I haven't write the Strawhats section after BW saga yet.

 

[suraj5898]

So technically, you are off topic. You don't know what my position is. You don't know what the topic is. You don't know what you are arguing against or arguing for. Anyhow, I just finish writing the Enel section. I haven't write the Strawhats section after BW saga yet.

as i say u dont understand look my all post i have write here and say where is i ever talk about ranking i wasn't arguing about ur ranking i m against u saying enel will beat luffy 9 time out of 10. in that luffy have win 1 fight in manga/anime and in ur imagination enel will beat luffy 9 time that joke u say in this 2 thing can happed
1st u don't understand anything in one piece or
2nd u r reading something else then one piece
so whit one is right


and about ur ranking

[East Blue common]
- ->"One-Two" Jango, Mr. 8 Igaram, Miss Monday
- ->Fullbody, Sergeant Major Tashigi, Mr. 9, Miss Wednesday Vivi
- ->Yosaku and Jonhny

where did u get information that vivi is from east blue ??????????
let me tell u some thing about vivi
her full name is Nefertari Vivi
She is the daughter of Nefertari Cobra and Nefertari Titi.
Nefertari Vivi is the princess of Alabasta
Alabasta Kingdom is a desert kingdom in the Grand Line and not in east blue



let me give u some name of pirates , there Nickname , Bounty and some information about them

Spoiler

The Straw Hat Pirates
Name Nickname Bounty

Monkey D. Luffy "Straw Hat" 400,000,000

First Bounty: at the end of the Arlong Park Arc, after Luffy defeated Arlong, the Straw Hats beat up the corrupt Marine captain Nezumi so he would return Nami's treasure. Nezumi, wanting revenge against Luffy, personally ensured a bounty of 30,000,000 for him, giving him the highest bounty in East Blue. The Marines themselves were also annoyed deeply at the time because Luffy single-handedly solved every problem they could not.[10]

Second Bounty: after heavily disrupting the balance of the Three Great Powers by defeating Crocodile, forcing the government to publicly recognize Crocodile's and his organization Baroque Works' criminal activities, leading to his arrest and removal of his position as a Shichibukai, Luffy's bounty was raised to 100,000,000.[11]
Third Bounty: after leading the assault on Enies Lobby (Luffy alone defeating over a thousand soldiers without even exerting himself) and the victory against various government agents, including Rob Lucci of the CP9, in order to rescue Nico Robin from going through the Gates of Justice and being executed, Luffy's bounty was raised to 300,000,000.[12] Due to this bounty, he has been named as one of the Eleven Supernovas.
Fourth Bounty: Defeating yet another Shichibukai (Gekko Moriah), attacking a World Noble, causing an unprecedented breakout from Impel Down, participating in the Whitebeard War, and by intruding Marine Headquarters a second time and ringing the Ox Bell 16 times (which was taken as a declaration of war), Luffy's bounty has gone up 100,000,000 more to make a total of 400,000,000 making it the third highest active bounty known. The public revelation of his relation to Monkey D. Dragon may also have influenced it.



Roronoa Zoro "Pirate Hunter" 120,000,000

First Bounty: the swordsman of the Straw Hat Pirates received a 60,000,000 bounty after he defeated the assassin Daz Bones (Mr. 1) in the Alabasta Arc and for defeating 100 bounty hunters in Whiskey Peak. Zoro doesn't find out about this new bounty until episode 153 of the anime when Blackbeard shows him the new wanted poster.[11]

Second Bounty: after the events at Enies Lobby and for defeating Kaku of the CP9, Zoro's bounty was raised to 120,000,000.[12] Due to this bounty, he has been named as one of the Eleven Supernovas.


Nami "Cat Burglar" 16,000,000

After the Enies Lobby arc and for defeating Kalifa of the CP9, Nami was given a bounty.[12]


Sogeking "King of Snipers" 30,000,000

Following the events at Enies Lobby, a bounty was placed on Sogeking's head, for burning down the Governments Flag and attacking CP9 leader Spandam.[12]


Sanji "Black Leg" 77,000,000

Because of the events at Enies Lobby and for defeating Jabra of the CP9, Sanji was given a bounty.[12] However, Sanji's poster has a sketch of him (which hardly looks like him), rather than a photograph. Apparently, this is because Attach forgot to remove the lens cap before taking his picture, above several other reasons.


Tony Tony Chopper "Cotton Candy Lover" 50

After the events at Enies Lobby, Chopper was given a bounty. The number is low because the World Government believes he is simply the crew's pet. His monster form, which heavily damaged the judicial tower and defeated CP9 agent Kumadori, was mistaken for another creature. Chopper was shocked when he found out how low his bounty was.[12]


Nico Robin "Devil Child" 80,000,000

First Bounty: Robin has a 79,000,000 bounty from 20 years ago, assigned to her when she was only eight years old. It is claimed that she sunk six Buster Call ships, but in the Enies Lobby Arc it is revealed as nothing more than a lie from the government. The real reason behind her bounty is her ability to read Poneglyphs.[13]

Second Bounty: after the events at Enies Lobby, Robin's bounty only had a slight increase, making it 80,000,000, and an updated picture.[12]


Franky "Cyborg" 44,000,000

For burning the Pluton blueprints, defeating Fukuro of the CP9, and assisting the Straw Hats in Enies Lobby, Franky received a bounty.[12]


Brook "Humming" 33,000,000

After taking over as Rumbar Pirates captain after the death of Yorki, Brook obtained a bounty. Despite being "dead" for 49 years, the Marines managed to connect the resurrected Brook to the still-alive Brook on the poster picture, and discovered that he also joined the Straw Hat Pirates, thus revealing that his bounty is still active.


Shichibukai ex-bounties

Name Nickname Bounty

Dracule Mihawk "Hawk Eyes" Unknown

It is currently unknown how Dracule Mihawk received his bounty, but he has received plenty of respect from all levels of pirates and is granted some equality by Sengoku and some of high-ranked Marines.


Donquixote Doflamingo "Joker" 340,000,000

It is currently unknown how Doflamingo received his bounty.


Bartholomew Kuma "The Tyrant" 296,000,000

Kuma had been known as a vicious tyrant who flattened everyone in his way and was also a member of Dragon's Revolutionary Army.


Boa Hancock "Pirate Empress" 80,000,000

Hancock earned this bounty 13 years ago, after a single campaign as captain of the Kuja Pirates; it was her first and last bounty.


Gekko Moriah 320,000,000

Status Revoked. It is currently unknown how Moriah received his bounty, but with his status revoked and his whereabouts unknown, his bounty status is also unknown.


Jinbe "Knight of the Sea" Over400,000,000

First Bounty: Jinbe received his first bounty of 76,000,000 after his recruitment to the Sun Pirates, due to his association with Fisher Tiger and his participation in numerous battles against the Marines.

Second Bounty: Eventually, Jinbe's bounty raised to 250,000,000 for unknown reasons, most likely his acts against the World Government as the second leader of the Sun Pirates, but it became inactive once he joined the Shichibukai.

Third Bounty: Jinbe's bounty raised to an unknown value over 400,000,000 after leaving the Shichibukai.


Crocodile "Mr. 0" 81,000,000

Status Revoked. Replaced by Blackbeard. It has been stated that the World Government would have more than doubled his bounty if they had known that he led Baroque Works. With him being a free pirate again after the Impel Down breakout and Marineford war, it is unknown how big his bounty is now.


Trafalgar Law "Surgeon of Death " 440,000,000[14]

First Known Bounty: Law's first known bounty was 200,000,000;[15] it was this bounty that made him one of the Eleven Supernovas.

Second Known Bounty: During the two year timeskip his bounty raised to 440,000,000. After becoming a Shichibukai, his bounty became inactive.


East Blue

Name Nickname Bounty

Higuma 8,000,000[16]

Higuma was killed by a Sea King.


Alvida "Iron-Mace" 5,000,000[17]

This bounty was made before she ate her Devil Fruit, joined Buggy, and entered the Grand Line.


Buggy "The Clown" 15,000,000[18]

This bounty was made before his reentry into the Grand Line. Due to the events of Impel Down and his now known status of being a former crew member of the Pirate King, the status of his bounty is currently unknown.


Mikio Itoo ¥1,000,000

A joke character by Oda and a reference to another assistant of Nobuhiro Watsuki, Ito Mikio appeared in several early chapters of One Piece. Although not official, he has a bounty.[19]


Jango "The Hypnotist" 9,000,000

Jango has joined the Marines; his bounty has therefore been forgotten or removed.


Kuro "Of a Hundred Plans" 16,000,000

After one of his crew members was captured as a decoy and executed, the Marines believe him to be dead; bounty either removed or served to the one Marine left alive on the ship. Upon his return to piracy, it is unknown if his bounty has been reinstated.


Krieg "Pirate Admiral" 17,000,000[18]

Don Krieg's bounty was based on his powerful armada - militarily he was the strongest pirate in the East Blue.


Arlong "Saw-Tooth" 20,000,000[20][18]

Though he was the highest bounty in the East Blue, Arlong's bounty did not reflect his true threat as he was paying a Marine to keep quiet about his actions. His bounty is most likely retracted as he has been captured by the Marines following his defeat by Luffy.


Portgas D. Ace "Fire Fist" 550,000,000[21]

It is unknown how Ace received this bounty, however being Gol D. Roger's son, and a high-ranking member of Whitebeard's crew may have influenced it as well as his exploits as Captain of the Spade Pirates, which included being offered a Shichibukai position but declining the offer. Bounty retracted upon his capture by Blackbeard and death. It is the highest bounty revealed in the series thus far.

West Blue

Name Nickname Bounty

Nico Olvia At least 1,000,000

A wanted poster is shown but the number was hidden. However, based on the position of the numbers, she was worth at least 1,000,000 Beri. Arrested during the Buster Call there 20 years ago, after her ship was raided and evidence of Poneglyph studying was found. Bounty retracted when she died in the Buster Call of Ohara.


Yorki "Calico" ?

A wanted poster is seen, but the total amount is not seen. Bounty may no longer stand as he may have died from a sickness.


Capone Bege "Gang" 138,000,000[15]

It is currently unknown how Bege received his bounty. Due to his bounty, he has been named as one of the Eleven Supernovas.

South Blue

Name Nickname Bounty

Eustass Kid "Captain" 470,000,000[23]

First Known Bounty: Kid's first known bounty was 315,000,000;[15] it was this bounty that made him one of the Eleven Supernovas.
Second Known Bounty: During the two year timeskip his bounty was raised to 470,000,000.


Killer "Massacre Soldier" 200,000,000[23]
First Known Bounty: Killer's first known bounty was 162,000,000.[15] Like his captain Eustass Kid, Killer achieved this bounty through acts of killing innocent civilians on his journey through the Grand Line. Due to his bounty, he was named as one of the Eleven Supernovas.
Second Known Bounty: During the two year timeskip his bounty was raised to 200,000,000.


Jewelry Bonney "Big Eater" 140,000,000[15]

It is currently unknown how Bonney received her bounty. Due to her bounty, she has been named as one of the Eleven Supernovas. Bounty most likely retracted when she was captured by Marshall D. Teach, and then arrested by Akainu.


Gyro "Crab-Hand" 73,000,000[24]

It is currently unknown how Gyro received his bounty.

North Blue

Name Nickname Bounty

Bellamy "The Hyena" 55,000,000[25]

Known as "The Big-Time Rookie". It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Sarkies "Big Knife" 38,000,000[26]

It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Basil Hawkins "The Magician" 320,000,000[23]

First Known Bounty: Hawkins' first known bounty was 249,000,000;[15] it was this bounty that made him one of the Eleven Supernovas.
Second Known Bounty: During the two year timeskip his bounty was raised to 320,000,000.


X Drake "Red Flag" 222,000,000[15]

It is currently unknown how he received his bounty, but probably due to his betrayal of the Marines. Due to his bounty, he has been named as one of the Eleven Supernovas.

Grand Line
Paradise

Name Nickname Bounty

Dorry "The Blue Ogre" 100,000,000

Has held his bounty for over a hundred years.


Brogy "The Red Ogre" 100,000,000

Has held his bounty for over a hundred years.


Bentham "Mr. 2 Bon Kurei" 32,000,000[27]

For being an Officer Agent of Crocodile's Baroque Works and breaking out of prison the first time. Bounty was retracted the second time he was captured by Hina.


Masira "Salvage King" 23,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Shoujou "Sonar King" 36,000,000[28]

It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Roshio "The Executioner" 42,000,000

No longer stands as he was killed by Bellamy.[29]


Rockstar 94,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Foxy "The Silver Fox" 24,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Mikazuki 36,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty.


Dias "Devil" 60,000,000[30]

Bounty no longer stands as he was carried off by the marines.


Scratchmen Apoo "Roar of the Sea" 350,000,000[23]

First Known Bounty: Apoo's first known bounty was 198,000,000;[15] it was this bounty that made him one of the Eleven Supernovas.
Second Known Bounty: During the two year timeskip his bounty was raised to 350,000,000.


Urouge "Mad Monk" 108,000,000[15]

It is currently unknown how he received his bounty. Due to his bounty, he has been named as one of the Eleven Supernovas.


Lacuba 17,000,000[31]

A pirate who was captured and put in the Auction House. Bounty likely to be retracted when he commited suicide while being sold.


Silvers Rayleigh "Dark King" ?

Although no longer an active pirate, Rayleigh was Gol D. Roger's second-in-command. When fighting Kizaru, he mentioned that his bounty is still in effect.


Caribou "Wet-Haired" 210,000,000

Famous for killing Marines.


Coribou "Blood-Splatterer" 190,000,000

Famous for killing Marines.


Albion "Gashed" 92,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty. Bounty retracted when arrested by Sentomaru.


Lip Doughty "Service" 88,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty. Bounty retracted when arrested by Sentomaru.


Demalo Black "Three Tongued" 26,000,000

It is unknown how he received his bounty. Bounty retracted when arrested by Sentomaru.


Fisher Tiger 230,000,000[32]
For attacking Mariejois and leading the Sun Pirates. Bounty no longer stand as he is deceased.

New World

Name Nickname Bounty

Brownbeard 80,060,000

A New World Pirate. It is unknown how he got this bounty, but he seemed to be very proud of it.


Pekoms 330,000,000

A New World Pirate, member of the Big Mom Pirates. It is unknown how he got this bounty.


Caesar Clown 300,000,000

A former Marine scientist who worked with Vegapunk and the leading expert on mass-murder weapons.

 

[0Xellos]

Doesn't "East Blue common" only mean the level and not origin? (It doesn't matter if you call it East Blue common or 4 Blues common, right?)

 

[Ledoke]

Doesn't "East Blue common" only mean the level and not origin? (It doesn't matter if you call it East Blue common or 4 Blues common, right?)

You are right, it's about their strength not origin.
But the name matters, East Blue is said to be the weakest area and we don't really know how much stronger average people from the other areas are so we can only compare them to average East Blue pirates/marines.

 

[weixiaobao]

suraj5898- If you don't know how to put thing in spoiler, then erase that huge copy text from one piece wiki because I rather not want to scroll down that thing.

As the two people above me pointed out the obvious in which seemed to escape you altogether. Based on the your latest post, apparently, you haven't read any of my prior posts. So I will do myself a favor and not converse with you anymore because you are as dense as lead. I know that English isn't your first language. English isn't my first language either. At least proof read some of your sentences and read it to yourself before posting or else it makes as much sense as reading baby's doodling.

Edit: I gonna give you my stances anyway, so at least you know what positions that you were arguing again.

-400 mil Luffy vs Enel- Luffy win all the matches, unless Enel is under some sort of lucky star
-300 mil Luffy vs Enel- at this point in time, I could safely assume, that Luffy mastered his devil fruit like Enel, Crocodile, or Magellan. Luffy will win most or all of the matches. But I cannot ranked this Luffy higher than Enel due to overall "imaginative" records against other people at upper tier.
-100 mil Luffy vs Enel- Enel win most of the matches. If Enel is a weakling like Caribou (eventhough he is a logia), then Luffy's immunity will cause him to win all of the matches. But Enel is versatile, smart, acrobatic, and physically fit. The only thing people seemed to suggest that is Enel's disadvantage is arrogant. I begged to differ. I feel that the only thing against him is he just too cunning and doesn't make "defeating Luffy" as the number one thing like other villains. After he felt fighting Luffy is pointless, he didn't really even try on the second half of the battle.

 

[suraj5898]

suraj5898- If you don't know how to put thing in spoiler, then erase that huge copy text from one piece wiki because I rather not want to scroll down that thing.

As the two people above me pointed out the obvious in which seemed to escape you altogether. Based on the your latest post, apparently, you haven't read any of my prior posts. So I will do myself a favor and not converse with you anymore because you are as dense as lead. I know that English isn't your first language. English isn't my first language either. At least proof read some of your sentences and read it to yourself before posting or else it makes as much sense as reading baby's doodling.

Edit: I gonna give you my stances anyway, so at least you know what positions that you were arguing again.

-400 mil Luffy vs Enel- Luffy win all the matches, unless Enel is under some sort of lucky star
-300 mil Luffy vs Enel- at this point in time, I could safely assume, that Luffy mastered his devil fruit like Enel, Crocodile, or Magellan. Luffy will win most or all of the matches. But I cannot ranked this Luffy higher than Enel due to overall "imaginative" records against other people at upper tier.
-100 mil Luffy vs Enel- Enel win most of the matches. If Enel is a weakling like Caribou (eventhough he is a logia), then Luffy's immunity will cause him to win all of the matches. But Enel is versatile, smart, acrobatic, and physically fit. The only thing people seemed to suggest that is Enel's disadvantage is arrogant. I begged to differ. I feel that the only thing against him is he just too cunning and doesn't make "defeating Luffy" as the number one thing like other villains. After he felt fighting Luffy is pointless, he didn't really even try on the second half of the battle.

you r saying i m as dense as lead because i m not supporting u that luffy will never beat enel

let me tell u with easiest way i can say why it will never be enel 9 and luffy 0 win
one piece is manga
luffy is hero/main character of one piece manga
enel 1 time bad character (we may never see him again)
luffy have beat enel

can u tell me any manga where when hero/main character have beat his opponent and that same opponent come to fight hero again and hero always loss
u join mangahelpers jul 2006 that means u have atlest 6 years of experience of redding manga even then u say main character will never defeat his opponent didnt that make u as dense as lead or/and arrogant. its logic for hero to defeat his opponent whom he already defeat before
and please stop taking about 100 mil , 300 mil because if even luffy fight against enel it will be 400 mil or 400+ mil and not in past
u say English is not my language u r right then u say English is not ur language but didnt united state is ur country and as far i know in US every one know English or u r from another planet where in US they dont use English

why dont u add poll to this thread and ask others about luffy 0 and enel 9 win lets see how many others support u

 

[weixiaobao]

suraj5898- we are getting way way way off topic, so i will addressed you one last time. And learn how to use the forum, you can create a thread on one subsection of the One Piece forum if you want to do a Davy back fight between Enel and Luffy. And you can create a poll too.

I lived in the USA but I from Vietnam. Don't assume stuff. Coming from Asia, this meant I grew up with manga, I taught myself how to read by reading the likes of Doreamon, Detective Conan, Dragon Ball, etc. So 6 years is way off. Probably reading since before 1st grade with is like 1995 or 1996.

Lastly, "and please stop taking about 100 mil , 300 mil because if even luffy fight against enel it will be 400 mil or 400+ mil and not in past"

That is the f*cking point of my ranking, if you don't like it go somewhere else and make a new one. The sort of ranking that you talking about. You can just google it and a zillions come up. I don't do that here. I want to put everything into perspective. Zoro from East Blue is differ from Zoro that learn 36/108 pound canon. Nami with clima tact is differ from Nami with perfect clima tact. That is why the ranking is incomplete because I am going through the series. I have read one piece probably 10-20 times over and over already. Urghh, trying really hard not to make this into a flame war or offending you. Considering how ignorant you are about the way I did this thread. You make assumptions, and then you argue the stances in which I did not take. Please don't post in this thread anymore. Go make your Enel vs Luffy thread to your heart content.

 

[hyper_megaman]

suraj5898- If you don't know how to put thing in spoiler, then erase that huge copy text from one piece wiki because I rather not want to scroll down that thing.

As the two people above me pointed out the obvious in which seemed to escape you altogether. Based on the your latest post, apparently, you haven't read any of my prior posts. So I will do myself a favor and not converse with you anymore because you are as dense as lead. I know that English isn't your first language. English isn't my first language either. At least proof read some of your sentences and read it to yourself before posting or else it makes as much sense as reading baby's doodling.

Edit: I gonna give you my stances anyway, so at least you know what positions that you were arguing again.

-400 mil Luffy vs Enel- Luffy win all the matches, unless Enel is under some sort of lucky star
-300 mil Luffy vs Enel- at this point in time, I could safely assume, that Luffy mastered his devil fruit like Enel, Crocodile, or Magellan. Luffy will win most or all of the matches. But I cannot ranked this Luffy higher than Enel due to overall "imaginative" records against other people at upper tier.
-100 mil Luffy vs Enel- Enel win most of the matches. If Enel is a weakling like Caribou (eventhough he is a logia), then Luffy's immunity will cause him to win all of the matches. But Enel is versatile, smart, acrobatic, and physically fit. The only thing people seemed to suggest that is Enel's disadvantage is arrogant. I begged to differ. I feel that the only thing against him is he just too cunning and doesn't make "defeating Luffy" as the number one thing like other villains. After he felt fighting Luffy is pointless, he didn't really even try on the second half of the battle.

I agree

Enel then was already substantially crippled from the 1st half (where luffy's rubber caught him by surprise), and he was too distracted with his plan to fight luffy full on

i believe if luffy and enel fought then, in a setting where their main focus was to kill each other, enel would probably have won

it's about the same as crocodile then. crocodile just threw luffy away time and aga in and never dealt the killing blow, if he had been lethal from the outset he would have won


that's about how the story goes as well. the storyline is about a guy called luffy who has strong willpower in carrying out whatever's in front of him, never thinking or hesitating, never distracted by anything else material or immaterial. he who hesitates loses, and that's how luffy won most of his matches, if not all

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Thing is that Luffy is smart as well when it comes to fighting. So I think Luffy would win 10 out of 10 times. No kidding here. Electricity is too easy to counter.

the thing about enel is, his fighting style is not entirely about his electricity

he adapted and used tonnes of other methods after he realised luffy was immune to it

all u need is a gold ball, then just couple it with god's wrath (blast a hole under luffy, and watch him fall to his doom out of skypiea into the sea below)

this wouldn't work on the luffy now, hwo has soru and COO haki, but it would have been enel's win back then. much like crocodile, twice he had luffy at his mercy and all he had to do was just unsheath his poison hook and poke him slightly, but he never did

 

[weixiaobao]

all u need is a gold ball, then just couple it with god's wrath (blast a hole under luffy, and watch him fall to his doom out of skypiea into the sea below)

When ranking anybody that Luffy defeated is extremely difficult and controversial like Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, and Rob Lucci. I agree with your analysis. But I ran many stimulation in my head. Luffy's rubber body was indeed a huge advantage against Enel. But if they weren't fighting in the sky or on Ark Maxim. Maybe the advantages will favor Luffy even heavier. But I recalled it was also in Luffy's advantage, "baka octopus Luffy" tactic with random ricochet wouldn't happened if there was no wall to bounce off. Although I gave most the win to Enel, I think he wouldn't have an easier time at all. He will win eventually, but without metals or golds for Enel to fall back on, it is difficult. However, if Enel chose not to fight and just keep a distance. Skypiea Luffy could never touch him if he was serious.

 

[Cyrs]

On the Enel thing...

Enel is one of the strongest characters in the series so far, it's just that Luffy is made out of rubber, so he can't hurt him with lightning.

He's so strong because not only does he have one of the top Logia powers, he also has totally unrivaled CoO haki (mantra) which is supercharged by his devil fruit power. He's also physically resilient enough to restart his own heart after taking huge amounts of damage.

Luffy wins against him, but I don't see many others winning. He seems like more or less around the level of Admirals, though probably a bit lower since they are masters of CoA haki. Enel's supercharged CoO isn't a substitute for CoA.