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[TheLuffySmile]

Re: Rank the Shichibukai

Well if the movie and his action are considered canon as well the future reveal of the 7th warlord I'd say he was killed by kizaru and the other marines he raised. You sound like you need to watch the movie and read volume 0 and 1000.

I've seen the movie and read volume 0.

 

[z.5]

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@Trikz

I pretty much agree with your list there.
Only thing I would do is move Kuma up to 3, either swapping or sharing places with Dolflamingo.
Kuma is insanely powerful, not accusing you personally (as it is blatantly not the case in what you posted), but I feel that some people have the tendency to consider the pacifista's as being good showings of Kuma's strength. I deem that the original is, probably, far stronger - going by how easily he toyed with the SH crew before.
Now, sure, the SH crew are much, much, stronger now. But it wasn't like Kuma was going all out at all...

 

[ish3]

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I've seen the movie and read volume 0.

Then you know how zephyr died then.....

 

[TheLuffySmile]

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Then you know how zephyr died then.....

... Yes I do. But the first island that the Strawhat's arrived at in the NW was PH. So how do you explain what's canon and what isn't? Don't be condescending and instead explain it properly. And if it so happens that you don't know, there's no need to write back.

Here's the canon that people have agreed upon:
Zephyr was a Marine Admiral.
His family was murdered and he stepped down from his position and became a Marine instructor.
His trainees were massacred (two survived) and he lost his arm.
The pirate that did the above^ was given a position among the Shichibukai.

After that it becomes kind of ba blurr. And since I don't have acess to volume 1000 it's a bit hard for me to know the rest.

This is from the OP Wikia under non-canon: Movies.
"Movie 12 takes place at various locations in the New World and is the first movie set there. It occurs at some point after the anime-only Z's Ambition Arc and the Punk Hazard Arc."

 

[ish3]

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It's not condescending when all you asked was how did he die. Add more then simple one liners if you want more details. There's truly no need to explain it because canon or not all that matters is the 7th warlord who will be revealed later. Worrying so much about time lines and how things fit is a complete waste of time in comparison of the overall plot. Just like with strong world it's not like we'll see these characters in the manga. That's also why the 7th hasn't be revealed yet on purpose. If I would guess I'd say it was after punk hazard or before.

As far as rankings go I can't wait until the 7th is revealed. He might just be up there with mihawk flamingo and hancock but it remains to be seen.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

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As far as rankings go I can't wait until the 7th is revealed. He might just be up there with mihawk flamingo and hancock but it remains to be seen.

Indeed. To be able to slay an entire squad of trainees while taking on a really strong Admiral at the same time, no to mention cutting said persons arm off, that is something. I'm hoping that he's at least on par with the top Shichibukai if not stronger. Granted we haven't witnessed any of them go all out yet.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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Indeed. To be able to slay an entire squad of trainees while taking on a really strong Admiral at the same time, no to mention cutting said persons arm off, that is something. I'm hoping that he's at least on par with the top Shichibukai if not stronger. Granted we haven't witnessed any of them go all out yet.

he was admiral 30 years ago, so prolly 1-2 levels below current rayleigh.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

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he was admiral 30 years ago, so prolly 1-2 levels below current rayleigh.

He stepped down as an Admiral at the age of 41. And his arm was sliced of at the age of 66. Even if he was past his prime, it still takes one hell of a strong pirate to do that.

I'm sorry but, how the hell does that put him 1-2 levels below Rayleigh? Rayleigh is probably around 65+ years old as well, and he could hold his own against Kizaru with minor difficulties due to his age.

So if we for the sake of argument assume that Zephyr was to Rayleigh what Garp was to Roger, he certainly isn't 1-2 levels below him in strength.
Is Rayleigh stronger at his current age than Zephyr was? Hmmm maybe. Much stronger? Hell no. Zephyr made Admiral at the early age of 38 (or as far as we know it could've been even earlier than that) and without a DF to boot. That says more than enough about his power.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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He stepped down as an Admiral at the age of 41. And his arm was sliced of at the age of 66. Even if he was past his prime, it still takes one hell of a strong pirate to do that.

I'm sorry but, how the hell does that put him 1-2 levels below Rayleigh? Rayleigh is probably around 65+ years old as well, and he could hold his own against Kizaru with minor difficulties due to his age.

So if we for the sake of argument assume that Zephyr was to Rayleigh what Garp was to Roger, he certainly isn't 1-2 levels below him in strength.
Is Rayleigh stronger at his current age than Zephyr was? Hmmm maybe. Much stronger? Hell no. Zephyr made Admiral at the early age of 38 (or as far as we know it could've been even earlier than that) and without a DF to boot. That says more than enough about his power.

I believe rayleigh at his prime would give an admiral a 2-minute-treatment.
At his current age hes a match for a regular admiral
Remember, rayleigh is the dark king, if it wasnt for roger, he'd be the pirate king.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

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I believe rayleigh at his prime would give an admiral a 2-minute-treatment.
At his current age hes a match for a regular admiral
Remember, rayleigh is the dark king, if it wasnt for roger, he'd be the pirate king.

I very much doubt that anyone could honestly give an Admiral level opponent " a 2-minute treatment". Be it Roger, Rayleigh, Whitebeard, Shiki, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, Aokiji, Mihawk, Doflamingo or anyone else above at or around the Admiral level. I don't like to make powerscales like that, but that's what I think.
If roger hadn't been around, Garp and Sengoku would double team Rayleigh to pieces. I'm not saying he wouldn't put up one HELL of a fight like Shiki did at Marineford, but without Roger there wouldn't even have existed a legendary pirate crew known as the Roger Pirates. Without Roger, Whitebeard would be the Pirate King. Even though he wasn't interested in things like that, he only wanted a loving family.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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I very much doubt that anyone could honestly give an Admiral level opponent " a 2-minute treatment". Be it Roger, Rayleigh, Whitebeard, Shiki, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, Aokiji, Mihawk, Doflamingo or anyone else above at or around the Admiral level. I don't like to make powerscales like that, but that's what I think.
If roger hadn't been around, Garp and Sengoku would double team Rayleigh to pieces. I'm not saying he wouldn't put up one HELL of a fight like Shiki did at Marineford, but without Roger there wouldn't even have existed a legendary pirate crew known as the Roger Pirates. Without Roger, Whitebeard would be the Pirate King. Even though he wasn't interested in things like that, he only wanted a loving family.

if it wasnt for roger, it'd have been rayleigh to be the pirate king, thats why hes called the dark king.
Whitebeard was able to match roger in combat ability, but didnt have the ambition to be pirate king.

the dark king; But he isn't neither a king of a kingdom, neither the pirate king. The words "dark king" are a specific nickname, not two scorrelated nicknames. The reason why he's called "dark king" is that he is a sort of second king of pirates, he would have been the king if Roger would have "taken a holiday"

 

[TheLuffySmile]

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if it wasnt for roger, it'd have been rayleigh to be the pirate king, thats why hes called the dark king.
Whitebeard was able to match roger in combat ability, but didnt have the ambition to be pirate king.

And what are you basing that on? Has it ever been stated anywhere? No, it hasn't. It's just his epithet. And even if Whitebeard wasn't interested in becoming the Pirate King, Rayleigh would still have to fight Whitebeard and his crew like the Roger Pirates did in order to conquer the Grand Line. And since Garp cornered Roger several times during their fights, who's to say that Garp and Sengoku wouldn't corner Rayleigh, capture him and execute him.

the Roger Pirates facing the Whitebeard Pirates without Roger would be like the Strawhat Pirates facing the Blackbeard pirates without Luffy.

And without Roger, who knows if Rayleigh would have even turned to piracy? After all, it was Roger who asked Rayleigh if he wanted to see the world with him.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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Alright luffysmile, you have your opinion, but you dont know the true strenght of reighleigh, WB, roger on their prime.
So let me ask you, why did they give rayleigh the title ''the dark king'' if it wasnt for what i said.

 

[desin24]

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My ranking would be:

1.Mihawk/Blackbeard both yonkou/yonkou level
2.Doflamingo/Kuma/Hancock Haxed DF's Possibly Law and were I wish the 7th shishibukai to be
3.Jimbei
4.Crocoboy and Moria
5.Buggy

The thing with Law's ranking is that we don't really know the mechanics of haki and how it works against and with DF powers. We know that haki can negate a DF power and make logia users tangible for example.The question is, if a haki user clashes with a DF user who uses haki, does the haki user disable the DF and only if DF users haki overpowers haki user then the DF works again. Now to what happened when Law cut through Vergo's powerful armament haki there are a few possibilities to what happened and according to those Law's ranking would be higher or lower:

1: Law cut Vergo because Vergo's haki was not strong enough and Law's DF ability was to powerful to be negated.
2. Vergo would have negated Law's cut but Law overpowered him with his Haki alone, which would indicate that Law has more powerful armament haki than Vergo.
3.Combination of both of the above.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

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Alright luffysmile, you have your opinion, but you dont know the true strenght of reighleigh, WB, roger on their prime.
So let me ask you, why did they give rayleigh the title ''the dark king'' if it wasnt for what i said.

Because it is Just.An.Epithet.
Just like "Strawhat Luffy"
"Pirate hunter Zoro"
"Fox fire Kine'mon"
"Cat burglar Nami"

Do I need to go on?

 

[ish3]

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^thank you.

People are too focused on titles in one piece. Power doesn't come from a title granted it gives us an idea of a pirate or marine's strength but besides yonkou or even admiral we have just a general idea of how strong the top tier is in the new world. Flamingo might be the first we see go all out I'm very interested in how strong he is past a skirmish or overpowering someone. He hasn't been hit this entire manga either so it's a first for everything.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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Because it is Just.An.Epithet.
Just like "Strawhat Luffy"
"Pirate hunter Zoro"
"Fox fire Kine'mon"
"Cat burglar Nami"

Do I need to go on?

worlds strongest man, whitebeard
younko shanks
pirate king roger

Dark king rayleigh wasnt ''Just.An.Epithet''
But ur free to believe that

 

[ish3]

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worlds strongest man, whitebeard
younko shanks
pirate king roger

Dark king rayleigh wasnt ''Just.An.Epithet''
But ur free to believe that

The only one we'd seen pull feats that probably was small in comparison in his younger days is white beard. We've only seen white beard fight seriously. All those titles mean something and we assume they're backing it up. But it's all about the old era ending and the new one coming up even stronger. We don't even know why he's even called Dark King doesn't sound like any of the other titles so without further proof sounds like an Epithet. They don't even want to deal with Rayleigh without an admiral being present. He's still strong but like I said titles don't deter strength. People are giving strength titles for abilities or their strength. Luffy is called freaking strawhat for god sakes he's the most underestimated pirate of the seas. As for seasoned vets idk. Garp was called the hero just because he took in Roger yet he has or had the strength of an admiral if not stronger in his prime.

On topic though titles ranks especially in the ways of the seven warlords all goes by strength will ability skill tactics luck. At least that's how I view the battles I'm on the fence with who's the strongest since Flamingo Mihawk and Kuma I've yet to see fight there hardest. I'm hoping this new one is a wild card or as strong as a admiral as he's been hinted to be. Or "she". It would be more interesting if it was a female pirate we need more of those.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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where did you read that garp turned roger in?
As far i read it, roger turned himself in.

 

[ish3]

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No as far as the marines know roger gave himself up but he only did it for Garp so he could take care of ace. That's why he let Garp take him in. I know you knew this it's common knowledge. He's referred as the hero to make the marines to look good that's the point tho. Some titles as I said are not actually the best way to refer as characters . Some are just custom only few we should truly take seriously.