Re: Strongest DF,not based on the Chr.
The phoenix fruit deserves a mention... In a fight with equal haki and equal physical capacities (ideal conditions to see how strong a fruit is) I would think the fruit would give the best amount of flexibility. Aerial combat, although not as strong in offense as regular zoans considering it does not have a proper hybrid form, strong claws, and a great degree of immortality. It depends on stamina from what I can tell but being able to heal damage at the cost of stamina is still better than just fighting and accumulating damage.
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The darkness fruit is a given here though considering that the fruit in itself is a counter to DF. With equal abilities and haki the fruit gives the user a huge advantage.
Maybe I should have given Gura Gura no Mi some more Credits but I need some time. However the phoenix is far from any Logia fruit IMP. But there are no such things till now 2 haki(s) are equal anyway. However, lets see, 2 persons with similar haki punch each other 1 is fire and the other is phoenix creature I guess the fire wont get hurt at all however he phoenix will get regenerated as you mention from the stamina. If this keeps on going for some time the phoenix creature will die.
the same will happen vs Doku Doku no Mi : Magellan, Gura Gura no Mi, Ope Ope no Mi : Trafalgar Law, Suna Suna no Mi : Crocodile, Mera Mera no Mi : Portagas D. Ace,5- Magu Magu no Mi : Sakazuki (Akainu), Goro Goro no Mi : Enel, Pika Pika no Mi : Borsalino (Kizaru), Nikyu Nikyu no Mi : Bartholomew Kuma, and Dark Dark No Mi: BlackBeard.
This one is tricky though Moku Moku no Mi: Smoker vs phoenix. Magelan's DF is not Logia I know but the phoenix creature might win i dont know i need some thinking to do . I can't decide. I need to think about it. I hope I heard from you whether u agree or disagree with the above.
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Devil fruits can't do anything on their own so the user is required. I thought the thread is about the fruits that are strong without regard to their user. Yami yami has some drawbacks, as we've seen. Not being able to avoid attacks, experiencing hightened sense of pain, drawing opponents toward yourself. That's why Yami yami is not so scary if it's possesed by someone with bad consitution. Gura gura is scary yes, but we come across the user vulnerability territory again.
If it were real life, I'd bet more on intangible logia.
Indeed some drawbacks. However, if u are talking about the fight between Ace and BB. i would rather make like this. Two Persons one has Fire Fire fuit and one has Dark Dark Fruit. Each other do the most powerful or any other attack if the user of the dark dark fruit is not careless he would suck all the attacks before they reach him
The question that matters is can he(the imaginary user of Dark Dark fruit) absorb any attack, My answer is yes. If you answer the same question with no then all you have to do present you #1 fruit and we can discuss. However, if u just say Dark Dark fruit is your #1 we cant go anywhere from there.
Our main character(the hero who will save the world) is not Logia though please don't make this about characters. So you lose your bet by this post. because the hero will always win in the end I place my bet on the hero power

. In real life situation you are winning the bet.