Discussion Devil Fruit Discussion Thread

[Erinyes]

Oh Pudding Memo memo no mi, and Viola's giro giro are also great options

I forgot a lot of interesting fruits, so decide to list* them here so you can click the link and check the ones youd like to pick. (source : picked the lists from wikia)

*listed only canon fruits.

paramecia

Paramecia fruits​

• Gomu Gomu no Mi (English versions: Gum-Gum Fruit): Turns the user's body into rubber, giving them the power to stretch, bounce, and inflate; as well as make them immune to electricity and near impervious to blunt-force attacks and bullets. Eaten by Monkey D. Luffy.
• Bara Bara no Mi (English versions: Chop-Chop Fruit): Allows the user to split their body into separate pieces, which the user can manipulate and make fly through the air. It also makes them immune to slashing attacks. Eaten by Buggy.
• Sube Sube no Mi (English versions: Slip-Slip Fruit/Smooth-Smooth Fruit): Makes the user's skin extremely smooth and slippery, causing things to slide off them. Eaten by Alvida.
• Bomu Bomu no Mi (English versions: Bomb-Bomb Fruit/Boom-Boom Fruit): Allows the user to create explosions from their body, as well as give explosive properties to their bodily secretions. Also makes the user immune to explosions. Eaten by Gem.
• Kiro Kiro no Mi (English versions: Kilo-Kilo Fruit): Allows the user to increase or decrease their body weight at will. Eaten by Mikita.
• Hana Hana no Mi (English versions: Flower-Flower Fruit): Allows the user to sprout duplicates of their body parts from any nearby surface. Eaten by Nico Robin.
• Doru Doru no Mi (English versions: Wax-Wax Fruit): Allows the user to create and control candle wax. Eaten by Galdino.
• Baku Baku no Mi (English versions: Munch-Munch Fruit): Allows the user to eat anything and transform their body to match the qualities of what they've recently eaten. Eaten by Wapol.
• Mane Mane no Mi (English versions: Clone-Clone Fruit): Allows the user to transform into a physical lookalike of another person. Eaten by Kurozumi Higurashi until her death and later eaten by Bentham.
• Supa Supa no Mi (English versions: Dice-Dice Fruit): Allows the user to transform any part of their body into a blade, thus gaining slashing abilities and making their skin as hard as steel. Eaten by Daz Bonez.
• Toge Toge no Mi (English versions: Spike-Spike Fruit): Allows the user to grow spikes from their body. Eaten by Zala.
• Ori Ori no Mi (English versions: Cage-Cage Fruit/Bind-Bind Fruit): Allows the user to create iron bindings on their opponents. Eaten by Hina.
• Bane Bane no Mi (English versions: Spring-Spring Fruit/Boing-Boing Fruit): Allows the user to turn their limbs into springs. Eaten by Bellamy.
• Ito Ito no Mi (English versions: String-String Fruit): Allows the user to create and control strings. Eaten by Donquixote Doflamingo.
• Noro Noro no Mi (English versions: Slow-Slow Fruit): Allows the user to emit special photons that slow down anything they touch for 30 seconds. Eaten by Foxy.
• Doa Doa no Mi (English versions: Door-Door Fruit): Allows the user to create and open doors on anything, including walls, living beings, and the even the air itself. Eaten by Blueno.
• Awa Awa no Mi (English versions: Bubble-Bubble Fruit): Allows the user to create and control soap bubbles that can clean anything, including strength. Eaten by Kalifa.
• Beri Beri no Mi (English versions: Berry-Berry Fruit): Allows the user to split their body into many spheres. Eaten by Very Good.
• Sabi Sabi no Mi (English versions: Rust-Rust Fruit): Allows the user to rust anything they touch, including organic material. Eaten by Shu.
• Shari Shari no Mi (English versions: Wheel-Wheel Fruit): Allows the user to turn their limbs into wheels. Eaten by Sharinguru.
• Horo Horo no Mi (English versions: Hollow-Hollow Fruit): Allows the user to create and control ghosts. The ghosts cause despair in the people they touch and are capable of self-destructing. The user can also make their own ghost leave their body. Eaten by Perona.
• Yomi Yomi no Mi (English versions: Revive-Revive Fruit): Allows the user to return to life after dying once already, as well as allow the user to make their returned soul temporarily leave their reanimated body. Eaten by Brook.
• Kage Kage no Mi (English versions: Shadow-Shadow Fruit): Allows the user to manifest and control shadows. Eaten by Gecko Moria.
• Suke Suke no Mi (English versions: Clear-Clear Fruit): Allows the user to become invisible, as well as make anything they touch invisible. Eaten by Absalom until his death and later eaten by Shiryu.
• Nikyu Nikyu no Mi (English versions: Paw-Paw Fruit): Gives the user paw pads on their hands that can repel anything they touch. Eaten by Bartholomew Kuma.
• Ope Ope no Mi (English versions: Op-Op Fruit): Allows the user to generate a sphere-like room, inside which they can manipulate anything. Eaten by Trafalgar D. Water Law.
• Shiro Shiro no Mi (English versions: Castle-Castle Fruit): Allows the user to become a living fortress equipped with cannons, as well as letting them shrink people and objects and house them inside their body. Eaten by Capone Bege.
• Wara Wara no Mi (English versions: Straw-Straw Fruit): Allows the user to create and control straw. They can attach other people's life forces to straw dolls, allowing the damage they take to transfer to the dolls and the people connected to them. Eaten by Basil Hawkins.
• Mero Mero no Mi (English versions: Love-Love Fruit): Allows the user to turn people that feel attraction for them into stone. Eaten by Boa Hancock.
• Doku Doku no Mi (English versions: Venom-Venom Fruit): Allows the user to create and control poison. Eaten by Magellan.
• Horu Horu no Mi (English versions: Horm-Horm Fruit): Allows the user to create special hormones and inject them into a persons body, changing their biochemistry. Eaten by Emporio Ivankov.
• Choki Choki no Mi (English versions: Snip-Snip Fruit): Allows the user to transform parts of their body into scissors. Anything cut by these scissors briefly gains the properties of paper. Eaten by Inazuma.
• Gura Gura no Mi (English versions: Tremor-Tremor Fruit): Allows the user to create quakes and shockwaves. Considered to be the most powerful Paramecia. Eaten by Edward Newgate and later stolen from him by Marshall D. Teach upon his death.
• Kira Kira no Mi: Allows the user to transform their body into diamond. Eaten by Jozu.
• Woshu Woshu no Mi (English versions: Wash-Wash Fruit): Allows the user to literally wash and fold a person as if they were laundry. It also makes the victim's heart cleaner. Eaten by Tsuru.
• Fuwa Fuwa no Mi (English versions: Float-Float Fruit): Allows the user to fly and make non-living things they touch levitate. Eaten by Shiki.
• Mato Mato no Mi (English versions: Mark-Mark Fruit): Allows the user to mark a person as their target by touching them so that any weapon thrown with that same hand will chase after the marked target. Eaten by Vander Decken IX.
• Fuku Fuku no Mi (English versions: Garb-Garb Jutsu): Allows the user to create clothing. Eaten by Kin'emon.
• Hobi Hobi no Mi (English versions: Hobby-Hobby Fruit): Allows the user to turn people into subservient toys, simultaneously erasing any memory of the victim from the minds of others. It also halts the user's aging. Eaten by Sugar.
• Buki Buki no Mi (English versions: Arms-Arms Fruit): Allows the user to transform their body into any kind of weapon. Eaten by Baby 5.
• Guru Guru no Mi (English versions: Spin-Spin Fruit): Allows the user to make any part of their body spin like a propeller. Eaten by Buffalo.
• Beta Beta no Mi (English versions: Stick-Stick Fruit): Allows the user to create and control mucus. Eaten by Trebol.
• Zushi Zushi no Mi: Allows the user to manipulate gravity. Eaten by Issho.
• Bari Bari no Mi (English versions: Barrier-Barrier Fruit): Allows the user to create barriers. Eaten by Kurozumi Semimaru until his death and later eaten by Bartolomeo.
• Nui Nui no Mi (English versions: Stitch-Stitch Power): Allows the user to stitch things together. Eaten by Leo.
• Giro Giro no Mi (English versions: Glare-Glare Fruit): Allows the user to see through solid objects, as well as read people's minds and memories. Eaten by Viola.
• Ato Ato no Mi (English versions: Art-Art Fruit): Allows the user to transform people and objects into art. Eaten by Giolla.
• Jake Jake no Mi (English versions: Jacket-Jacket Fruit): Allows the user to transform into a jacket and control the body of the person wearing them. Eaten by Kelly Funk.
• Pamu Pamu no Mi (English versions: Pop-Pop Fruit): Allows the user to expand and rupture their body, as well as any inorganic object they touch. Eaten by Gladius.
• Sui Sui no Mi (English versions: Swim-Swim Fruit): Allows the user to swim freely in the ground and walls. Eaten by Senor Pink.
• Ton Ton no Mi (English versions: Ton-Ton Fruit): Allows the user to drastically increase their body weight. Eaten by Machvise.
• Hira Hira no Mi (English versions: Ripple-Ripple Fruit): Allows the user to give anything they touch the properties of fabric, making it thin, flexible, and fluttering. Eaten by Diamante.
• Ishi Ishi no Mi (English versions: Stone-Stone Fruit): Allows the user to assimilate into and control stone. Eaten by Pica.
• Nagi Nagi no Mi (English versions: Calm-Calm Fruit): Allows the user to nullify sounds. Eaten by Donquixote Rosinante until his death.
• Chiyu Chiyu no Mi (English versions: Heal-Heal Fruit): Allows the user to heal people's wounds. Eaten by Mansherry.
• Soru Soru no Mi (English versions: Soul-Soul Fruit): Allows the user to extract people's souls and use them to bring objects to life. Eaten by Carmel until her death and later eaten by Charlotte Linlin.
• Mira Mira no Mi (English versions: Mirror-Mirror Fruit): Allows the user to create mirrors that reflect attacks and act as entrances to the Mirro-World. Eaten by Charlotte Brûlée.
• Pero Pero no Mi (English versions: Lick-Lick Fruit): Allows the user to create and control candy. Eaten by Charlotte Perospero.
• Bisu Bisu no Mi (English versions: Bis-Bis Fruit): Allows the user to create and control biscuits. Eaten by Charlotte Cracker.
• Bata Bata no Mi (English versions: Butter-Butter Fruit): Allows the user to create and control butter. Eaten by Charlotte Galette.
• Buku Buku no Mi (English versions: Book-Book Fruit): Allows the user to manipulate books, as well as trap people inside them. Eaten by Charlotte Mont-d'Or.
• Kuri Kuri no Mi (English versions: Cream-Cream Fruit): Allows the user to create and control cream. Eaten by Charlotte Opera.
• Shibo Shibo no Mi (English versions: Wring-Wring Fruit): Allows the user to drain liquid from people and objects. Eaten by Charlotte Smoothie.
• Memo Memo no Mi (English versions: Memo-Memo Fruit): Allows the user to manipulate people's memories. Eaten by Charlotte Pudding.
• Mochi Mochi no Mi (English versions: Mochi-Mochi Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into mochi. Eaten by Charlotte Katakuri. This Devil Fruit is noted to be a "special Paramecia".
• Hoya Hoya no Mi (English versions: Puff-Puff Fruit): Allows the user to summon a genie from their body. Eaten by Charlotte Daifuku.
• Netsu Netsu no Mi (English versions: Heat-Heat Fruit): Allows the user to emit high heat from their body. Eaten by Charlotte Oven.
• Kuku Kuku no Mi (English versions: Cook-Cook Fruit): Allows the user to transform objects into food. Eaten by Streusen.
• Gocha Gocha no Mi: Allows the user to fuse themselves with other people. Eaten by Charlotte Newshi.
• Oshi Oshi no Mi (English versions: Push-Push Fruit): Allows the user to manipulate the ground as if it were made of clay. Eaten by Morley.
• Kobu Kobu no Mi (English versions: Pump-Pump Fruit): Allows the user to rally people into fighting and awaken their latent potential. Eaten by Belo Betty.
• Toki Toki no Mi (English versions: Time-Time Ability): Allows the user to send themselves and others forward in time. Eaten by Kozuki Toki until her death.
• Juku Juku no Mi (English versions: Ripe-Ripe Jutsu): Allows the user to mature and decay inanimate objects. Eaten by Shinobu.

Unnamed Fruits

• Eustass Kid's fruit which allows him to manipulate magnetic forces.
• Jewelry Bonney's fruit which allows her to manipulate the age of any person, including herself.
• Scratchmen Apoo's fruit which allows him to morph body parts into instruments and use music as a weapon.
• Urouge's fruit which allows him to convert damage taken into strength, resulting in expanding muscles.
• Blamenco's fruit which creates pockets in his body that can store things such as a giant hammer.
• Sanjuan Wolf's fruit that makes him bigger than regular giants.
• Kurozumi Kanjuro's fruit that allows him to bring whatever he draws to life. Like Kin'emon, he refers to it as sorcery.
• Tama's fruit that allows her to create dango from her cheeks that make any animal that eats them tame and subservient.

zoan

Zoan fruits

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Ushi Ushi no Mi (Ox) series

• Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Bison (English versions: Ox-Ox Fruit/Ox-Ox Fruit, Bison Model/Ox-Ox Fruit, Bison Form) - Allows the user to become a full bison or a half-bison hybrid. Eaten by Dalton.
• Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe (English versions: English versions: Ox-Ox Fruit, Giraffe Model/Ox-Ox Fruit, Model: Giraffe) - Allows the user to become a full giraffe or a half-giraffe hybrid. Eaten by Kaku.

Hito Hito no Mi (Human) series

• Hito Hito no Mi (English versions: Human-Human Fruit) - Allows any animal that eats it to get human characteristics like Tony Tony Chopper did when he ate the fruit.
• Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu (English versions: Human-Human Fruit, Daibutsu Model/Human-Human Fruit, Model: Buddha) - Allows the user to become a Daibutsu (a giant gold Buddha) or a half-Daibutsu hybrid. Eaten by Sengoku.

Tori Tori no Mi (Bird) series

• Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Falcon (English version: Tweet-Tweet Fruit, Falcon Type/Bird-Bird Fruit, Model: Falcon) - Allows the user to become a full falcon or a half-falcon hybrid. Eaten by Pell.
• Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Phoenix - Allows the user to become a full phoenix or a half-phoenix hybrid. Eaten by Marco.
• Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Albatross - Allows the user to become a full albatross or a half-albatross hybrid. Eaten by Morgans.

Inu Inu no Mi (Dog) series

• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Dachshund (English version: Mutt-Mutt Fruit/Mutt-Mutt Fruit, Dachshund Form/Dog-Dog Fruit, Model: Dachshund) - Allows the user to become a full dachshund or a half-dachshund hybrid. In the case of Babe's bazooka-like gun Lassoo, he became a dachshund/gun hybrid.
• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Jackal (English version: Mutt-Mutt Fruit: Jackal Strike/Dog-Dog Fruit, Model: Jackal/Mutt-Mutt Fruit: Jackal Model) - Allows the user to become a full jackal or a half-jackal hybrid. Eaten by Chaka.
• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Wolf (English version: Mutt-Mutt Fruit: Wolf Model/Dog-Dog Fruit, Model: Wolf) - Allows the user to become a full wolf or a half-wolf hybrid similar to a werewolf. Eaten by Jabra.
• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Tanuki - Allows the user to become a full tanuki or a half-tanuki hybrid. In the case of Tenguyama Hitetsu's teapot Bunbuku, he becomes a tanuki/teapot hybrid.
• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Kyubi no Kitsune (English version: Dog-Dog Fruit, Model: Nine Tailed Fox) - Allows the user to become a full nine-tailed fox or a half-nine-tailed fox hybrid, and allows the user to become perfect clones of other people. Eaten by Catarina Devon.

Neko Neko no Mi (Cat) series

• Neko Neko no Mi, Model: Leopard (English version: Cat-Cat Fruit, Model: Leopard) - Allows the user to become a full leopard or a half-leopard hybrid. Eaten by Rob Lucci.

Zou Zou no Mi (Elephant) series

• Zou Zou no Mi (English version: Elephant-Elephant Fruit/Eleph-Eleph Fruit) - Allows the user to become a full elephant or a half-elephant hybrid. In the case of Spandam's sword Funkfreed, he becomes an elephant/sword hybrid.
• Zou Zou no Mi, Model: Mammoth (English version: Elephant-Elephant Fruit, Model: Mammoth) - Allows the user to become a full mammoth or a half-mammoth hybrid. Eaten by Jack.

Ryu Ryu no Mi (Dragon) series

• Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Allosaurus (English version: Dragon-Dragon Fruit, Model: Allosaurus) - Allows the user to become a full Allosaurus or a half-Allosaurus hybrid. Eaten by X Drake.
• Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Spinosaurus (English version: Dragon-Dragon Fruit, Model: Spinosaurus) - Allows the user to become a full Spinosaurus or a half-Spinosaurus hybrid. Eaten by Page One.
• Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Pteranodon (English version: Dragon-Dragon Fruit, Model: Pteranodon) - Allows the user to become a full Pteranodon or a half-Pteranodon hybrid. Eaten by King.
• Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Brachiosaurus (English version: Dragon-Dragon Fruit, Model: Brachiosaurus) - Allows the user to become a full Brachiosaurus or a half-Brachiosaurus hybrid. Eaten by Queen.

Hebi Hebi no Mi (Snake) series

• Hebi Hebi no Mi, Model: King Cobra (English version: Snake-Snake Fruit, Model: King Cobra) - Allows the user to become a full king cobra or a half-king cobra hybrid. Eaten by Boa Marigold.
• Hebi Hebi no Mi, Model: Anaconda (English version: Snake-Snake Fruit, Model: Anaconda) - Allows the user to become a full anaconda or a half-anaconda hybrid. Eaten by Boa Sandersonia.
• Hebi Hebi no Mi, Model: Yamata no Orochi (English version: Snake-Snake Fruit, Model: Yamata-no-Orochi) - Allows the user to become a full Yamata no Orochi or a half-Yamata no Orochi hybrid. Eaten by Kurozumi Orochi.

Sara Sara no Mi (Salamander) series

• Sara Sara no Mi, Model: Axolotl (English version: Sala-Sala Fruit, Model: Axolotl) - Allows the user to become a full axolotl or a half-axolotl hybrid. In the case of Caesar Clown's slime Smiley, it became an axolotl/slime hybrid until it's death.

Mushi Mushi no Mi (Bug) series

• Mushi Mushi no Mi, Model: Kabutomushi (English version: Bug-Bug Fruit, Model: Rhinoceros Beetle) - Allows the user to become a full rhinoceros beetle or a half-rhinoceros beetle hybrid. The user can also fly in either form. Eaten by Kabu.
• Mushi Mushi no Mi, Model: Suzumebachi (English version: Bug-Bug Fruit, Model: Hornet) - Allows the user to become a full hornet or a half-hornet hybrid. The user can also fly in either form. Eaten by Bian.

Single model series

• Mogu Mogu no Mi (English version: Diggy-Diggy Fruit/Mole-Mole Fruit) - Allows the user to become a full mole or a half-mole hybrid. The user can also dig underground. Eaten by Drophy.
• Uma Uma no Mi (English version: Horse-Horse Fruit) - Allows the user to become a full horse or a half-horse hybrid. In the case of Gan Fall's pet bird Pierre, he resembles a Pegasus.
• Kame Kame no Mi (English version: Turtle-Turtle Fruit) - Allows the user to become a full turtle or a half-turtle hybrid. In the case of Pekoms, he resembles a Tarasque

Unnamed Fruits

This section lists the Zoan Devil Fruits that haven't been identified yet.

• Minotaurus' fruit which allows him to take the form of a Holstein cow.
• Minokoala's fruit which allows him to take the form of a koala.
• Minorhinoceros' fruit which allows him to take the form of a rhinoceros.
• Minozebra's fruit which allows him to take the form of a zebra.
• Onigumo's fruit that lets him sprout spider-like arms from his back as well as grow a spider's abdomen.
• Dalmatian's fruit which allows him to turn into a dalmatian.
• Epoida's fruit which allows him to turn into a caterpillar.
• Minochihuahua's fruit which allows him to take the form of a chihuahua.
• Kaido's fruit which allows him to transform into an eastern dragon.

logia

Logia fruits​

• Moku Moku no Mi (English Versions: Smoke-Smoke Fruit/Plume-Plume Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into smoke. Eaten by Smoker.
• Suna Suna no Mi (English Versions: Sand-Sand Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into sand. The sand can dehydrate any non-metallic substance it touches. Eaten by Crocodile.
• Mera Mera no Mi (English Versions: Flame-Flame Fruit/Flare-Flare Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into fire. Eaten by Portgas D. Ace until his death and later eaten by Sabo.
• Goro Goro no Mi (English Versions: Rumble-Rumble Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into lightning. Eaten by Enel.
• Hie Hie no Mi (English Versions: Chilly-Chilly Fruit/Ice-Ice Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into ice. Eaten by Kuzan.
• Yami Yami no Mi (English Versions: Dark-Dark Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into darkness. The darkness has strong gravitational properties and the user has an infinite amount of space inside of their elemental body. Eaten by Marshall D. Teach.
• Pika Pika no Mi (English Versions: Glint-Glint Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into light. Eaten by Borsalino.
• Magu Magu no Mi (English Versions: Mag-Mag Fruit): Allows the user to create, create, and transform into magma. Eaten by Sakazuki.
• Numa Numa no Mi (English Versions: Swamp-Swamp Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into mud. The user is a "bottomless swamp", granting them an infinite amount of space inside their elemental body. The mud can take on the properties of quicksand. Eaten by Caribou.
• Gasu Gasu no Mi (English Versions: Gas-Gas Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into gas. Eaten by Caesar Clown.
• Yuki Yuki no Mi (English Versions: Snow-Snow Fruit): Allows the user to create, control, and transform into snow. Eaten by Monet until her death.

 

[bittman]

I'm sure it's something that's easily turned on and off for someone who has skill with their logias. Though I could reference Enel, who was never physically hit (besides Luffy), he had his mantra so it is not a perfect example since he would always know an attack was coming. Ace, on the other hand, was hit by many bullets at a frightening speed by Blackbeard's sharpshooter so I would assume they simply have to decide to activate this ability.

That said, Smoker got hit almost a decade ago, so it could have just been an accident for the sake of comedy.

 

[monkey d scar]

Okay, here is my question about Logia :

we all know that a Logia user can manipulate the element he is made of(for exemple, croco uses his own sand to create sandstorms), but can he manipulate the element surrounding him to launch his attacks (same exemple with Croco, can he use the sand of Alabasta to create his sandstorms) ?

Personally, I'm pretty sure all the logia users we've seen so far don't manipulate elements apart from the one they are made of.

 

[ZeroChrome]

Crocodile did use the sand around him to create quicksand around Luffy. so basically Logia users can also manipulate their corresponding elements around them. Other Logia users (Ace, BB, Enel) didn't because there're no source of their elements around them. that's why Alabasta is a perfect battlefield for Crocodile

 

[Akainu]

Aokiji freezing the ocean as example?
might be slightly different but I think it's a good starting point.
to some extent they may use that element, depending on how well trained they are, but not in a sense like using all the sand there was etc.

 

[monkey d scar]

Crocodile did use the sand around him to create quicksand around Luffy. so basically Logia users can also manipulate their corresponding elements around them

No, here Crocodile used the sand around him indirectly, he explained it in the next page : "the sand is beeing dragged into an underground river. I can detect that with my powers". Basically, he detects the underground river, cut through the sand above the river with his "spada" (you can see it in page 5 of the same chapter), then the sand is beeing dragged by the river. In this whole process, he never manipulated the sand of the desert directly, that was just a trick to create quicksand.

Aokiji freezing the ocean as example?
might be slightly different but I think it's a good starting point.

You're right it's different Aokiji froze the ocean like he froze Luffy or Robin, that's not a evidence that he can manipulate his element around him

having the control about a whole element would overpower them too much.

Yeah, that's exactly why i'm asking the question A logia user who can manipulate the element around him would be too overpowered, i agree.

 

[sharingan_kakashi]

As unfair as it may seem i believe they can manipulate their element aside from their body.
One example is Eneru's Maxim. Towards the end the ship created massive storm clouds which Eneru harnessed to create large columns of Lightning.

Another is Aokiji, he can manipulate the liquid "ice" and convert it to solid, he alsi did this to Luffy and Robin.

But, i do not believe they can reform their body using the same element from another source. Say, Kizaru, reforming his body using the Sun.

 

[bittman]

Haha, liquid ice. In short, saying Aokoji can manipulate his element by freezing an ocean isn't great evidence because he also froze human bodies, clothing and blades of grass. "Manipulation", in the sense of what I class as manipulation, would occur if Aokoji had an iceberg in front of him and turned it into a ship or something.

I'm on the fence with manipulation of elements. As said, Aokoji, Ace and Blackbeard didn't exactly have their element on hand, and it appears as though Logia's are made of an infinite supply of their own element. If Enel can shoot out lightning every 3 seconds and still maintain his physical form, he is simply manipulating his own endless supply of electricity. Crocodile may have been the same as the sandstorms and quicksand attacks were merely excessive outputs of his own sand.

For now I'll sit with: They only manipulate the elements produced from their own bodies.

 

[sharingan_kakashi]

I understand what you are saying, And i know there is no great evidence saying they can or cannot control their element from a natural source.
But we can argue that Aokiji would be unbeatable if he fought in winter land, and Crocodile in a desert (well, we know he was defeated already)

 

[paradoxe]

A logia user who can manipulate the element around him would be too overpowered, i agree.

Logia users are able to manipulate their elements. Even if it was around them and not part of them.

Its part of their power.

Whats so overpowered about that? =\

 

[DutchPhoenix]

i would pick

time time no mi
paramecia

being able to slow down time (you stay normal, so it seems you are just incredible fast)
being able to revert time or increase time ( time warp, make people older/younger)

 

[paradoxe]

make people older/younger

Bonney already has that fruit.

 

[sharingan_kakashi]

SHe has that fruit, but i dont think it can control time it self. The only thing she does is make people younger or older. I think she can also make herself skinnier since she eats a ton but dont get fat.

@paradoxe. Its over powered because they can make their own terrain, which they can use in what ever ways they want. Say Aokiji can freeze the sea under WB's ship lift it up and drop it from 1 km up.

 

[Akainu]

@dutchphoenix: sry, but it's the wrong thread, but there is one somewhere near about that topic (choosing DF)

@paradoxe: have we got proof that logia can control "their" element? because as far as we already have discussed it here we have found no evidence. maybe that's because the only logia who resided in a country where his element dominates the landscape was croc, but if he could control sand no matter if it's himself or desert he ahsn't shown that ability.

 

[monkey d scar]

As unfair as it may seem i believe they can manipulate their element aside from their body.
One example is Eneru's Maxim. Towards the end the ship created massive storm clouds which Eneru harnessed to create large columns of Lightning.

Nah, it's merely another trick from another logia User the clouds are working here as an amplifier to eneru's own lightning, he must send his lightning to the clouds in order to obtain the large columns of lightning, like Croc with the quicksand he's doing here an indirect manipulation.

Logia users are able to manipulate their elements. Even if it was around them and not part of them.

Its part of their power.

then give us proofs please, like i said before all the logia users we've seen so far don't manipulate an element aside from the one they are made of.

Whats so overpowered about that? =\

because in order to do attacks, they can gather a larger amount of their element. Think of Kizaru for exemple (who is supposed to be a light logia), do you imagine how powerful his attacks would be if not only he can use his own element but also the one surrounding him ?

 

[Raysen_ht]

the only thing i can find on this "logia" discussion is this

D: Question, Odacchi! Ace ate the Mera Mera Fruit so he can...

(1) "Can turn his body into flame"?

(2) "Can shoot flame from his body", which one is it?

O: The answer is (1). But his secret move "Hiken" (Fire Punch) is a skill where he raises his "firepower" and turns his fist into a huge flame, so it ends up looking more like (2).

SBS 25 chapter 179 page 66 http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceSBS/sbs25.msnw

So, Ace couldnt shoot his fire from his body... he can only increase his power to make it look like he is doing that...
I think this means that Logia users can only control the power that is (somehow) connected to their own bodies... Like Aokiji had to "touch" Luffi/ocean to freeze him/it... Eneru had to increase his arm like a lightning to the cloud, in order to activate that huge "island destroyer" power...

 

[paradoxe]

because in order to do attacks, they can gather a larger amount of their element. Think of Kizaru for exemple (who is supposed to be a light logia), do you imagine how powerful his attacks would be if not only he can use his own element but also the one surrounding him ?

Kizaru is a special case I think.
He would be truly unbeatable if he can even harness the light from the sun and turn it into energy.

However, Crocodile was able to create sandstorms from the sand in Arabasta. It wasn't from his own body..you think there'd be enough sand within his own body to keep assaulting a town with sandstorms for 20 years? No..that sand came from the desert. The whole REASON he made Arabasta his base was because it was a desert country and he knew the sand within Arabasta could amplify his powers.

 

[kkck]

In the last couple of chapters we learned that there is another model or type of zoan called "ancient type". Those seem awesome and could be among the strongest zoan fruits considering they could have both insane power and speed.
But what if there ar more types of zoans, like for example a mystic zoan? This could include zoan fruits that allow you to transform into dragons, ogers, unicorns, or any other mithological creature plus give the user abilities a normal zoan would not have such as firebreathing and maybe floating. This would be quite a development for the new world, and we know for fact that unusual creatures that could be mythological do exist in one piece world (dragons or oz).

 

[sharingan_kakashi]

ooooh!!!111 i would love to see a dragon zoan. Either the flying dragon or the Chinese land dragon. Firebreathing? hehe i dont know man. might be too overpowered

Sabertooth cat or any extict predator type animal would be a good sight to see.

 

[kkck]

Yes there are, ryuma is a caracter oda brought from an older manga he wrote and in that manga, he killed a dragon.
Here is the link, enjoy:
http://www.onemanga.com/Wanted_Oda_Eiichiro_Tanpenshu/4/01/
Maybe in the current times of the manga there are no dragons, but at the very least they existed.

 

[sharingan_kakashi]

how could i forget about that dragon. well done remembering that prequel. That certainly improves the chances of a dragon zoan. Or maybe Dragon (Luffy's dad) already has that fruit