Didn't Zoro lost to Eneru?

[white silver]

As all of you said. Zoro is aiming to be the greatest swordsman, so he should never lose to other swordsman.

Anyways, he still lost, but it was Enel, so it wasn't really a fair match from the start.. I didn't take this "break vow" so hard..

As long as he doesn't lose to another swordman, it won't matter to Zoro that much. After being defeated 2001 times by Kuina and once more by Hawk-eyes, you can imagine the pressure he's being in. In other words this topic should that much relevance to his "loss" since we can deem it "uncountable" to the "other" losses for Zoro. Till we hear of another swordsman other than Mihawk that can best him, let's say so otherwise.

 

[Efreet]

i agree with Absulutio, it wasn't a fair match in the first place and Eneru uses his lightning powers whereas Zoro has to use his natural skills

 

[jeffhmwong]

Much as i am a fan of zoro.....defeat means defeat.....no excuse to that....

His vow was never to be defeated ever again, and I guess that didnt not go as smoothly as he planned.

Sad but true......he lost...

 

[white silver]

Much as i am a fan of zoro.....defeat means defeat.....no excuse to that....

His vow was never to be defeated ever again, and I guess that didnt not go as smoothly as he planned.

Sad but true......he lost...

Umm... Zoro is going to suffer big time if he really lost. Would you say it was no "excuse" if Luffy turned out to be the King of Pirates and still defeat Zoro as a "best swordsman" in the world? Then there would be no meaning to his dream. We should not forget Zoro's dream is to be the BEST swordsman in the world through Evil or Good means. Defeat is not counted if it were not a sword battle, in fact did he not lose against Arlong after defeating Hachi (a Swordsman/fishman)? That's more than an okay excuse to me or else Oda would have a LOT of explaing to do.

 

[xr3b0rn5inx]

Not to say he lost to Eneru he juz got struck by Eneru's lightling bolt and fainted.There were not reali in combat so it doesnt reali count.....I guess

 

[ibra87]

Like most have said before me, (in my opinion) you can't really call it an even fight as Enel was not a swordsman. Fighting him without being able to hit him (which means without seastone forged swords) isn't really a fight.

The other point is that Enel was not Zorro's opponent. The priest with the dog was and Zorro finished him off. He can't just go and take Luffy's enemy from him (would be pretty boring, right?). Besides, even after being struck by lightning he (somehow) managed to cut that big tree and despite Enel's effort to stop him.

 

[ForteAnly]

If Zoro was able to cut through elements like Mihawk then there would have a been a different outcome. Enel would have been wounded by Zoro not sure if defeated based on Zoro's strenght at the time. But, like ibra87 said he couldn't take Luffy's oppenent from him.

 

[falco_dergento]

i agree that zoro lost to enel or perhaps to Lucci (if he ever got the chance to face him) or to maybe to any of luffy's enemies! but i dont think it's such a big deal that will depress him or anything like that. because his aim is to be the strongest swordsman, so i think thoso lost will not matter much for him..

 

[Pimpolho]

I agree taht he lost, but still going to his goal to be best swordman, and when he said he would not lost again, it was that he won´t need his enemies mercy like Mihawk. He will survive (litlle gay) no matter what.

 

[hmalik1003]

Zoro was beat by Kaku(i think thats the giraffe dude's name) and dont give me that "he wasn't serious" bs. He lost and that's that. He shouldn't of ever made that vow

 

[falco_dergento]

Zoro was beat by Kaku(i think thats the giraffe dude's name) and dont give me that "he wasn't serious" bs. He lost and that's that. He shouldn't of ever made that vow

i guess u couldn't say tha a loss, since the battle hadn't really finish yet.. at that time CP9 was bound by the promise with Robin ( the one that they will let the SH out of water7). in the end the battle did continue, and zoro won. it means that the enemy was beaten until kaku couldn't stand up anymore, that's the really conclusion of the battle.. not at the w7..

 

[Eyefarted2]

who cares? i bet zoro lost to hella people. they are just not showed on page in the manga

 

[Strat]

i agree with what some ppl said, zoro meant he wouldnt lose to another swordsman...and so far so good

 

[The Boff]

zoro didnt lose to either Enel or Lucci, unfortunatly in my opinion he has only won against the noname bountyhunters at whiskey peak.
he didnt lose to Enel cause after he was hit all he did was rest a few minutes then he was up and cutting beanstalks. same thing with Lucci. he was kicked away and fell down a chimney. a few minutes later he's up and cutting water.

Mihawk could have killed Zoro, no problem. but he choose to let him live, IE prolonging their duel. its not over yet.

but a swordsman(zoro) that attacks with intent to kill but fails to kill anyone is not in any position to say that he's "winning" anything. so no he hasnt lost to anyone and he's only won against the noname bountyhunters.

how can i reason like this?
simple, katanas are weapon that have only one purpose: kill people. If you do not use your weapon in the way it was meant then youre hardly a swordsman.

but luffy and sanji have never killed anyone either!
i know, but they do not fight with weapons that have only one purpose, they attack with their bodies. and bodies have a lot more purpose than fighting. so they have won tons of fights.


oh how much better the manga would be without the ban of death

 

[Luckas]

Imho, Zoro defeated Baroque Work's Mr. 1 and CP9's Kaku. Even if they aren't swordman they fought as they were that.

 

[hmalik1003]

zoro didnt lose to either Enel or Lucci, unfortunatly in my opinion he has only won against the noname bountyhunters at whiskey peak.
he didnt lose to Enel cause after he was hit all he did was rest a few minutes then he was up and cutting beanstalks. same thing with Lucci. he was kicked away and fell down a chimney. a few minutes later he's up and cutting water.

Mihawk could have killed Zoro, no problem. but he choose to let him live, IE prolonging their duel. its not over yet.

but a swordsman(zoro) that attacks with intent to kill but fails to kill anyone is not in any position to say that he's "winning" anything. so no he hasnt lost to anyone and he's only won against the noname bountyhunters.

how can i reason like this?
simple, katanas are weapon that have only one purpose: kill people. If you do not use your weapon in the way it was meant then youre hardly a swordsman.

but luffy and sanji have never killed anyone either!
i know, but they do not fight with weapons that have only one purpose, they attack with their bodies. and bodies have a lot more purpose than fighting. so they have won tons of fights.


oh how much better the manga would be without the ban of death

lol i can imagine something like dat in a boxing match. i aint lose. i can hit this bag afta i fell. LOOK AT ME!!! face it he lost.

 

[The Boff]

lol i can imagine something like dat in a boxing match. i aint lose. i can hit this bag afta i fell. LOOK AT ME!!!

honestly im not sure what youre talking about, what does boxing have to do with a swordsman?

face it he lost.

in my opinion no he didnt. he did not die, his fights should be to the death. and since he hasnt died then he hasnt lost.

 

[OP_overlord]

with that logic you are saying that he didnt lose to mihawk but i think we can all agree that he did

and just for the record i agree with you in just trying to make it a good debate and what not so because im devils advicate im going to say that he LOST

eventho it wasnt a fair fight cause eneru isnt a swordsman

 

[The Boff]

with that logic you are saying that he didnt lose to mihawk but i think we can all agree that he did

no he didnt by definition LOSE to Mihawk. this is how i see it:

Mihawk could have killed Zoro, no problem. but he choose to let him live, IE prolonging their duel. its not over yet.

and i'll explain it again. Zoro gave up, he just stood there and let Mihawk cut him. Zoro thought he was going to die. death, the end.
Mihawk spared him. why? because their duel was not to end there. Mihawk understood that this kid had the spirit of a true swordsman but he just attacked prematurely.
so he wounded him greatly and left him to live so he could come back and FINISH their duel later on.

so no he didnt lose and mihawk didnt win, their fight is just "paused".

 

[hmalik1003]

HE DID LOSE. Um if he didn't lose then he wouldn't have to make that promise to himself that he would neva lose again. Do you see the logic in making a promise not to lose AGAIN if u didn't lose to begin wit. From what your saying, Zoro neva lost a match cuz he is still alive but then he wouldn't say AGAIN if he was dead right. and i was using boxing to show u how wrong u were. You don't have to die to lose(swordfight or whateva) that logic may have been useful in some otha manga but it wouldn't make sense in OP cuz HE IS STILL ALIVE

LOOK AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD
It is stated that he made that promise to himself. *napoleon dynamite* "gosh"