Didn't Zoro lost to Eneru?

[OP_overlord]

i see wat you mean ,Mr. Boff, with the fighting being on hold so that zoro can learn to fight with his mind aswell (whicih i dont see happening he is just gettting stronger not faster,smarter,... he is still no match for mihawk)

but i also agree with hmalik1003 zoro wouldnt have made the promise not to lose again if he didnt lose

you even helped prove the point that he lost when you said that

Zoro thought he was going to die. death, the end.

which means that zoro thought that the fight was over and knew he lost and saved face by dieing the way a true swordsman should and then mihawk spared him

 

[dfcarolinaguy]

I have heard this debate from a lot of threads, and I have come up with my own opinion and that is I don't know lol, but Zoro did lose.

 

[ubo]

Everyone's overlooking one simple thing in this thread: There's an understanding, especially between swordsmen (but not limited to them), of the difference between a "match" and a clashing of swords (or whatever weapons they happen to fight with). Neither Enel, Lucci, or Kaku beat Zoro. Enel struck him with lightning and then left. He did not accept Zoro as an opponent; it wasn't a match. Lucci kicked him away, but he was fine, and Kaku injured him when he wasn't even paying attention. There's no way that counts as a loss. A loss is when both fighters put everything they have into the fight and one of them is unable to continue. This is the logic used in OP and in many other mangas. Both fighters have to accept these unspoken "terms" in any duel before either of them can lose. I would honestly expect people to understand this.

 

[jeffhmwong]

Everyone's overlooking one simple thing in this thread: There's an understanding, especially between swordsmen (but not limited to them), of the difference between a "match" and a clashing of swords (or whatever weapons they happen to fight with). Neither Enel, Lucci, or Kaku beat Zoro. Enel struck him with lightning and then left. He did not accept Zoro as an opponent; it wasn't a match. Lucci kicked him away, but he was fine, and Kaku injured him when he wasn't even paying attention. There's no way that counts as a loss. A loss is when both fighters put everything they have into the fight and one of them is unable to continue. This is the logic used in OP and in many other mangas. Both fighters have to accept these unspoken "terms" in any duel before either of them can lose. I would honestly expect people to understand this.

I agree with ubo on kaku and luchii. there was never a real battle there......BUT....

Enerus case is diff.They were all in a battle.zoro,wiper, robin, the knight ...they were all preparing for a battle. How can you say there isnt a battle?

and pls, i do not want to repeat this over again , Zoros sworn to never to loose another battle.....THATS ALL.....

No quote on whether the battle is with a DF user, Swordsman, sea monster etc

HE LOST.I m a huge zorro fan too.

Y cant u all jes face it.....

 

[OP_overlord]

cause i like many understood zoro's vow to mean that he wasnt going to lose o another swordsman ever period, and he has kept his word up

ubo i too agree with you about eneru, kaku, and lucci but i dont agree with the "match" defination (or well i agree zoro wouldnt) when he was fighting MR. 1 the steel guy zoro was excited because he was facing a DF steel swordsman and they were both putting everthing they had into and zoro won, but he didnt count his win because MR 1 wasnt a true swordsman he could use drill attacks aswell
so that proves that zoro only respects battles with other swordsmen so he might have lost to eneru but he doesnt think of it like that just that he needs to get stronger and beat everone

 

[firework]

I think Zoro meant when he fights another swordsman because he said i will never lose again and i will become the best swordsman i think he meant he wont loste to another swordsman and he hasnt yet.

Yeah, i agree, he hasnt lost to any other swordsmen, well unless u count Arlong, but he used his sword after fighting Zoro. Besides, it makes more sense for a swordsmen to never lose to another swordsman rather than a random fighter. Also, Zoro was already badly injured during his battle so that may not have counted as a loss.