Discussion Dragon Thread

[Lord Rayleigh]

People have been talking about Dragon for a long time, and I think it's high time to open a thread dedicated to the leader of the Revolutionary Army.

So let's begin by talking about his powers. Of course, we can talk about anything about Dragon in this thread.

A lot of people have said Dragon has got a Devil Fruit :

• Wind Logia
• Weather Paramecia
• Dragon Mythological Zoan

The wind and sometimes the rough weather have been associated to Dragon - in Logue Town, in Ivankov's flashback, in the Goa Kingdom flashback.
I bet that Dragon is a Storm man, so that he ate a paramecia. It would explain the strong wind he seems to be able to summon (Logue Town, Goa Kingdom) and also the lightning (Logue Town) and the heavy rains (Logue Town, Roger's execution).

I can't believe he's eaten a logia since I don't find any relevant one for all these abilities he would have shown.
I also noticed that Dragon could be injured during Goa Kingdom's times. See there he's got a bandage. And he was fine some hours before.

 

[Samui]

As for the dragon Zoan, in some legends, dragon can affect weather.

How old do you think he is, BTW?

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

What we know about Dragon is that he belongs to the generation who witnessed Roger's execuction :

• Buggy : ? - probably like Shanks
• Shanks : 37
• Crocodile : 44
• Doflamingo : 39
• Mihawk : 41
• Moria : 48

I would say Dragon is in his fourties. In Chapter 0, he seemed older than Mihawks and Shanks. So I would say that he's around Crocodile's age.

 

[Bloodwinter]

What we know about Dragon is that he belongs to the generation who witnessed Roger's execuction :

• Buggy : ? - probably like Shanks
• Shanks : 37
• Crocodile : 44
• Doflamingo : 39
• Mihawk : 41
• Moria : 48

I would say Dragon is in his fourties. In Chapter 0, he seemed older than Mihawks and Shanks. So I would say that he's around Crocodile's age.

You know I'd actually deduced that from just looking at Garp and Dragon's looks 20 years ago, as well as Luffy's current age. Do you think he possesses a palpable level of Haki being that he was able to force Smoker off of Luffy with much ease? He also showed absolutely no fear of being captured by Smoker despite is strength / Logia Devil Fruit /reputation. He also had no Nakama to rely on at that point as he was alone so obviously he felt comfortable taking on every single one of them in Loguetown.

I would agree with the paramecia assessment but how exactly did he get to Loguetown if there wasn't a single unidentified ship in the harbor? Then again, other types of fruits don't exactly grant you teleportation. Though versions of it can be seen in Kuma, Enel, and Kizaru's case, the length at which these abilities span is arguable being that they were only really used in battle on the same island. So it's not that I disagree, I'm just skeptic of what his powers can actually be.

 

[Poneglyph420]

I've always thought that Dragon was very much like Vegapunk a man given his (fan based) popularity due to the mystery around him.. But I'd suspect he'd be around the same age as Croc. or BB I guess.

I'm also curious if he has Haoushoku Haki like his son or what.?.
From what we have seen it can be estimated that he's likely capable and strong willed. But still we haven't seen him really take on anyone in a head to head fight. No doubt Dragon could likely face most opponents and emerge victorious, but he's still unquantified IMO.

The Dragon Mythic DF does seem a bit cliche but would make the most sense with the exception of a weather fruit IMO.
Japanese Dragon's are generally mysterious creatures who have control over the wind and weather... And builds the mystique too eh!?

I'm really looking forward to seeing Dragon and Luffy meet as well.

 

[Razh]

Please, just write air logia, for the love of god...

 

[Dasbones]

I think that it is highly likely that the Haushoku Haki is genetic, at least to a degree. Because of Dragon's influence and apparent charisma, it seems only natural that he would have that kind of Haki.

As for his power, it seems that a weather-based fruit would make sense, since the lougetown incident showed a very sudden change and weather, and favorable wind for the Strawhats. Although, it could be his Haki, but that would be silly :P.
The main advantage of a weather based logia would not be as such in a one-on-one fight, but Dragon is leading the Revolutionary army, smacking an enemy's base with a hurricane, causing a tidal wave, controlling the wind so that your entire force's ships gain an advantage on the sea, Dragon would be an invaluable asset to any army.

I can't believe he's eaten a logia since I don't find any relevant one for all these abilities he would have shown.
I also noticed that Dragon could be injured during Goa Kingdom's times. See there he's got a bandage.

I don't see any bandage...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I don't see any bandage...

You must be right. In the top panel, Dragon looks like he's got a bandage on the face but I guess I was wrong. It's just bad drawn.

 

[chess4]

People have been talking about Dragon for a long time, and I think it's high time to open a thread dedicated to the leader of the Revolutionary Army.

So let's begin by talking about his powers. Of course, we can talk about anything about Dragon in this thread.

A lot of people have said Dragon has got a Devil Fruit :

• Wind Logia
• Weather Paramecia
• Dragon Mythological Zoan

The wind and sometimes the rough weather have been associated to Dragon - in Logue Town, in Ivankov's flashback, in the Goa Kingdom flashback.
I bet that Dragon is a Storm man, so that he ate a paramecia. It would explain the strong wind he seems to be able to summon (Logue Town, Goa Kingdom) and also the lightning (Logue Town) and the heavy rains (Logue Town, Roger's execution).

I can't believe he's eaten a logia since I don't find any relevant one for all these abilities he would have shown.
I also noticed that Dragon could be injured during Goa Kingdom's times. See there he's got a bandage. And he was fine some hours before.

i think he had recently gotten the tats on his face. tatoo artist put protective covery of fresh tatooes. good eye though cause i didnt even pay attention 2 that. either way, im sure its one of those you named earlier.

in my opinion i thinks its going to be the mythical dragon fruit. i mean look at dragon, he even looks like one.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

[/B]i think he had recently gotten the tats on his face. tatoo artist put protective covery of fresh tatooes. good eye though cause i didnt even pay attention 2 that.

That's what I thought the first time but it's impossible since he already had his tatoo when he came to Goa Kingdom and he didn't have any bandage.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/586/19/

After looking to it several times, I'd say it's only bad drawing/scanning.

 

[Dasbones]

You must be right. In the top panel, Dragon looks like he's got a bandage on the face but I guess I was wrong. It's just bad drawn.

Well I didn't know where look, I can see how you thought he had a bandage on his face, his tattoo looks very square on that panel.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

I consider Dragon to be the current leader of all the people who carry 'The Will of D.' Surely he is a anarchist who wants to take the World Government down to accomplish his own goals and won't stop until he succeeds or dies trying.

I believe he WILL find most (if not all) of the D. people to join his army.
I also think he knows a little about the "Void Century" and that probably was one of the reasons for him to start a career as a Revolutionary.

I also agree that he must have a Devil's Fruit, being such an important character, the most wanted man and with so many 'stormy' hints. Assuming he is able to create thunderstorms, hailstorms, blizzards, hurricanes, tornados - any weather related nature disaster, he will be a very powerful foe to the World Government and adding all of this up - I don't see him losing the final battle (IF it ever comes - victory could be gradual with small battles instead, but to be honest, that would be boring, right?).

Oh, and about the bandage, that's just his tattoo. If you believe to see something, you will see it - If you believe it's a bandage, it's a bandage, except it's not.

 

[chess4]

I consider Dragon to be the current leader of all the people who carry 'The Will of D.' Surely he is a anarchist who wants to take the World Government down to accomplish his own goals and won't stop until he succeeds or dies trying.

I believe he WILL find most (if not all) of the D. people to join his army.
I also think he knows a little about the "Void Century" and that probably was one of the reasons for him to start a career as a Revolutionary.

I also agree that he must have a Devil's Fruit, being such an important character, the most wanted man and with so many 'stormy' hints. Assuming he is able to create thunderstorms, hailstorms, blizzards, hurricanes, tornados - any weather related nature disaster, he will be a very powerful foe to the World Government and adding all of this up - I don't see him losing the final battle (IF it ever comes - victory could be gradual with small battles instead, but to be honest, that would be boring, right?).

Oh, and about the bandage, that's just his tattoo. If you believe to see something, you will see it - If you believe it's a bandage, it's a bandage, except it's not.

thats not saying a lot because there are only 3 others left, his son, father and BB. BB is definitely not joining.

 

[bittman]

Garp also isn't exactly in a rush to switch sides to become a revolutionary.

If anything, I believe that the D. line has become near extinct over the centuries and that Luffy and Blackbeard may be one of the last few with the initial. It would defintiely spice things up a fair bit if it was a very very rare thing, and given Sengoku's reaction at Ace's name with his bounty, we can see that they are at least kept tabs on by the marines.

Nevertheless: quite possible Dragon knows something about the Void Century, or at least is looking into it. We've also gotten hints that, though the WG is maintaining a somewhat acceptable status quo (sure, Tenryuubito are fucked and they are unable to keep check of a lot of pirates, but it's not all bad), there must be something more to it all that the revolutionaries are fighting.

And ever since someone suggested mythical dragon fruit, that's been my favourite theory for his power. Of course, it could be anything mentioned in the first post, and Dragon with a dragon fruit is a bit...well lame, but it's still a nice idea.

Would also be interested in his battle level. Since he is the leader of the revolutionaries, I do expect that he should be able to at least hold his own against someone like Sengoku, but holding your own is not the equivalent of being the same level. Marco could hold his own against Kizaru, but I would never put Kizaru below Marco. Most likely I'd put Dragon closer to the power of the admirals, but whether he is just above them or just below them, I wouldn't be able to guess.

To me...just below one of the admirals level would be good for plot purposes. That's just me looking ahead though and envisaging a Dragon vs Admiral where Luffy or something steps up to the plate after Dragon's loss.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

thats not saying a lot because there are only 3 others left, his son, father and BB. BB is definitely not joining.

Yeah, I kind of excluded Blackbeard at the point when Whitebeard said that Teach is not the man he was looking for, also known as a true D.

Besides that, do you really think we've been shown all the D.'s in One Piece, considering we have only seen an island or two of the New World ?

I'm pretty sure Dragon has allies there too, and he already has at least one person in his army who also carries a D. within his name.

 

[Dasbones]

Dragon seems more concerned with weakening the world government as of late, since he's already taken a sizable chunk of the south blue, but with the recent war, and the marines and WG forces being stretched thin, this could give him an opportunity to make a big move on territories. This also gives more evidence as to the Weather-based paramecia; since his army is based in the new world (if I remember correctly), and has been very active all around the one piece world. If he can manipulate the winds to the point where his ships can travel great distances with little effort (which would explain his army's mobility).

Still, we know very little about the Revolutionary army, hopefully Ivankov will have a flashback to the start of it, which would also give info on Dragon, Kuma, and perhaps some other major members of the Army, since Ivankov and Inazuma are the only other high ranking members known (that are affiliated anyway.)


EDIT: After some thought, an Air-logia could technically control the weather; mostly dealing with moving pockets of warm air and cool air together, much like what Nami does, but on a much larger scale. Creating tornadoes, hurricanes ect, could be very rudimentary with an Air-logia power, assuming that Weather-control is a 'Gear 2nd' of the Logia, much like Croc's ability to absorb water and moisture would be like a 'Gear 2nd'. I think that a Air Logia is more likely for a man of Dragon's stature compared to a Paramecia, but again; Still just a theory.

 

[mtadd]

Spoiler

This chapter has confirmed it for me that Dragon Has a weather paramecia. Who else would "D" refer to?

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71384529/7

This is followed up by other reasons like the lightning that save luffy in louge town, also how the wind blew perfectly for them.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/99/13
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/99/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/20/


Also after reading when we first met garp he told luffy that he met his dad and that he sent him off in louge town.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/16


Also the references of the the wind blowing around him.

If Law knows Dragon then it also makes sense of why Law would help Luffy.

 

[Organizized]

This chapter has confirmed it for me that Dragon Has a weather paramecia. Who else would "D" refer to?

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71384529/7

This is followed up by other reasons like the lightning that save luffy in louge town, also how the wind blew perfectly for them.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/99/13
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/99/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/20/


Also after reading when we first met garp he told luffy that he met his dad and that he sent him off in louge town.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/16


Also the references of the the wind blowing around him.

If Law knows Dragon then it also makes sense of why Law would help Luffy.

Hey, now, there's a rule saying no discussing or mentioning anything from the latest chapter outside the chapter discussion within 48 hours of its release. Read it here.

But I don't disagree with the fact that Dragon has a weather/wind/storm devil's fruit. It's pretty much generally accepted among fans now that he does. The question is rather whether he can control the weather or if he just has an Air fruit. Though, as Dasbones noted, with an Air fruit you could probably control the weather, since the weather depends a lot on the changes in air pressure and whatnot.

This also gives more evidence as to the Weather-based paramecia; since his army is based in the new world (if I remember correctly), and has been very active all around the one piece world. If he can manipulate the winds to the point where his ships can travel great distances with little effort (which would explain his army's mobility).

Him controlling the weather all over the world would be a little over the top, though. There has to be some sort of limit, or he'd be the most broken character ever.

 

[Dasbones]

Him controlling the weather all over the world would be a little over the top, though. There has to be some sort of limit, or he'd be the most broken character ever.

Oh I didn't mean that, sorry if I made it seem that way, I simply meant that because of that power he has the ability to lead the charge in many different wars, not at the same time; but he wouldn't need much time in order to go from one place to another(meaning HE would have to be apart of the fleet at all times of course).

A weather power would also allow him to pass through turbulent waters, and the calm belt (That's a big maybe though) without much trouble.

 

[Antares]

Wouldn't it be fun (yet crazily powerful) to actually have Zoan which also grants paramecia-like ability? In a few legends, dragons can control the weather. If Dragon can have that kind of Fruit, than imagine: Zoan is strongest in melee combat, a Dragon is practically the strongest animal possible, hard skin no ordinary weapons could break, fire-breathing (or element-breathing) ability, tremendous power (Lucci's leopard played quite a part in him being so physically powerful, how about dragon's physical power level??? San Juan Wolf level of destruction?)...And as if it's not enough, he can manipulate air's movement and molecules in it, he can create tornadoes, blizzards, lightningstorms, he can even render the air vacuum, making it impossible to breathe, or make powerful pressures similar to Kuma. As if you gain numerous fruits at once.