Except that Weevil is definitely not Whitebeard's son. As such, the whole identity of "Edward Weevil" is likely made up by Miss Bakkin. If he isn't what he claims to be, then he must be someone else. One thing is for sure though - his body has the strenght of young Whitebeard.
Also note the scars on his neck and face. They could be:
1. Battle Scars. For that, they look slightly unbelievable.
2. Surgery.
I haven't thought much about it, but Weevil being Lox would fit in with the movie Z, which is non-canon but was produced by Oda himself. That is because not anyone could take an Admiral's arm. The whole point of that movie was to hype up post-timeskip One Piece by premiering many character designs early. In that context, Zephyrs backstory could be viewed as hype for the new Shishibukai - which is Weevil.
Except that Weevil is definitely not Whitebeard's son. As such, the whole identity of "Edward Weevil" is likely made up by Miss Bakkin. If he isn't what he claims to be, then he must be someone else. One thing is for sure though - his body has the strenght of young Whitebeard.
Also note the scars on his neck and face. They could be:
1. Battle Scars. For that, they look slightly unbelievable.
2. Surgery.
I haven't thought much about it, but Weevil being Lox would fit in with the movie Z, which is non-canon but was produced by Oda himself. That is because not anyone could take an Admiral's arm. The whole point of that movie was to hype up post-timeskip One Piece by premiering many character designs early. In that context, Zephyrs backstory could be viewed as hype for the new Shishibukai - which is Weevil.
I assume that you haven't read all the posts in the thread. Someone above said that Weevil is a Zombie. Basically, he died 40 years ago, and now he is stiched up and back in action.
Someone above mentioned that Miss Bakins (why not Mrs?!) ate Baka Baka no mi. That is how she is able to deceive Weevil.
Or he is stupid due to bringing him back from dead. Or when he was defeated he was frozen in ice and did a Captain America but more stupid.
I am not saying that any of this is right, but your questions have been answered above.
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I am not a firm supporter of Rox = Weevil, but Oda did say that he will introduce a legend which is related to WB. And right now Weevil fits this description.
Why I think Weevil is the legend Oda spoke of?
1. He has blonde hair like WB
2. Miss Bakins proclamation (WB's wife)
3. Kizaru's statement (Weevil = Prime WB)
4. Most importantly...... The moustache
Why I don't think Weevil is the legend Oda spoke of?
1. Weevil was introduced before Oda's interview (iirc)
Believe it or not, I am more hyped up about Luffy fighting Weevil than Kaido or BM. I think Oda is trying to recreate a WB so Luffy could defeat him. For Luffy's growth I believe. Or Oda is going to show us how strong WB was in his prime.
About Rox. From Harp's conversation it can be assumes that the worst case is going to happen. Kaido, BM and Rox are going to get together like before. That would be epic. No word will describe that. The only problem of this being unfeasible is that the enemy will be too strong for anyone to deal with. I will list the opponent they will have to face:
Top: Kaido, BM and Rox
Second: Sweet Commanders and Calamities
Third: Shogun
Fourth: all minions
That would be just too much, unless Marine Admirals join to take down Yonko's and Supernova take down commanders.
The character of Zephyr was designed by Oda himself. There is a possibilty the background of Zephyr (that was made by Oda) was made with the intention of not contradicting the canon. Which would mean the new Shishibukai has admiral level strenght, even if that admiral doesn't exist in the canon. And someone with admiral level strenght is likely a legendary pirate.
Weevil also doesn't appear like someone with leadership qualities. Someone who lead Kaido and Big Mom would be somewhat intelligent.
There is a high chance that Weevil is brainwashed. The thread creator mentions a devil fruit as a possibility. I personally believe in the "Weevil is a Zombie theory", because I don't think One Piece will last another decade, there is not much more room for new characters, rather the dots need to be connected. Having the shadow of a Whitebeard son would explain how he can seriously think he is Whitebeard's son. Because of connecting the dots, I find the idea of Weevil being Lox not unlikely and quite possibly the best original theory that I have read in this forum in a long time.
I assume that you haven't read all the posts in the thread. Someone above said that Weevil is a Zombie. Basically, he died 40 years ago, and now he is stiched up and back in action.
Someone above mentioned that Miss Bakins (why not Mrs?!) ate Baka Baka no mi. That is how she is able to deceive Weevil.
Or he is stupid due to bringing him back from dead. Or when he was defeated he was frozen in ice and did a Captain America but more stupid.
I am not saying that any of this is right, but your questions have been answered above.
We could have said Shiki, he'd have been a much more fitting role. Most of this is speculation based on speculation. So many people are related to Roger. This idea that it's Weevil is dubious, no evidence for anything of it remotely making this plausible at this point.
The character of Zephyr was designed by Oda himself. There is a possibilty the background of Zephyr (that was made by Oda) was made with the intention of not contradicting the canon. Which would mean the new Shishibukai has admiral level strenght, even if that admiral doesn't exist in the canon. And someone with admiral level strenght is likely a legendary pirate.
Sure, where's the evidence? Many things being possible doesn't make it any closer to the truth. Luffy could possibly and secretly be studying how to read the Poneglyph and has surpassed Robin. Just because it's possible doesn't make it close to the truth until there's substantial evidence to make inferences on. At this point, it's mostly contrivance.
The thing with Movie Z is that it has a special Volume written by Oda himself and publsihed as such. That's why I think it is highly likely that he wrote the special volume in accordance with the canon plot even though it is non-canon. Which is totally possible. Just because something is non-canon doesn't mean it has to contradict the canon plot in every possible way.
Scars are not indicate of age, lol. That's nonsense, sorry.
So now I ask you: Do you have any proof that any of the movies pre movie 10 were written by Oda. Afaik he provided the art for some characters such as Gasparde and Shuraya and that's it. I have never heard that Oda had any hand in the plot of these movies aside from greenlighting them to begin with.
The thing with Movie Z is that it has a special Volume written by Oda himself and publsihed as such. That's why I think it is highly likely that he wrote the special volume in accordance with the canon plot even though it is non-canon. Which is totally possible. Just because something is non-canon doesn't mean it has to contradict the canon plot in every possible way.
Hilarious. So Marco, Jozu and Blackbeard who has looked the same for 20 years, you can tell their ages reliably? You have got to be kidding. You can't tell Weevil's age at all. Only thing you can deduce from that is that he's not exceedingly old.
So now I ask you: Do you have any proof that any of the movies pre movie 10 were written by Oda. Afaik he provided the art for some characters such as Gasparde and Shuraya and that's it. I have never heard that Oda had any hand in the plot of these movies aside from greenlighting them to begin with.
From what I researched, I don't think you are right. Oda did not have any hand in the plot of the story. He did design Gasparade but nothing more than that.
He did not have any involvement in the first 9 movies.
In the 10th movie, he was the executive producer. And he had involvement in the later movies as well.
The thing with Movie Z is that it has a special Volume written by Oda himself and publsihed as such. That's why I think it is highly likely that he wrote the special volume in accordance with the canon plot even though it is non-canon. Which is totally possible. Just because something is non-canon doesn't mean it has to contradict the canon plot in every possible way.
From what I researched, I don't think you are right. Oda did not have any hand in the plot of the story. He did design Gasparade but nothing more than that.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? I NEVER EVER SAID THAT MOVIE Z IS CANON. IN FACT I WROTE IN EVERY SINGLE POST OF MINE THAT IT IS NOT.
STOP ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING YOU GOT WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!
By the way Movie 4 was written by Yoshiyuki Suga and I don't need to link a giant wikia excerpt to prove that because I assume you can look it up yourself.
Hilarious. So Marco, Jozu and Blackbeard who has looked the same for 20 years, you can tell their ages reliably? You have got to be kidding. You can't tell Weevil's age at all. Only thing you can deduce from that is that he's not exceedingly old.
Jozu is slimmer than he is in the present timeline. Marco is certainly meant to look young on purpose (Phoenix theme). We don't get any close-ups on them so they are very bad examples.
If we would have gotten a close-up, we would have gotten slightly different face's, that's for sure. Aside from the Gorosei there is not a single example of any character looking exactly the same close-up between extended periods of time.
The face is definitely the biggest indicator for age. If you put Nami's head on Dr. Kureha's body, you wouldn't expect to have a 140 year old before you and that is just the most extreme example.
Weevil's face might be altered since he has scars which can imply surgery. There is some amount of people that had their faces altered: Wanze (reversed), Duval, Absalom, and Moriah who used to have a chin and now has stitches in its place.
Sure buddy, Gasprade is canon because Oda designed him... No.
How much of it did he design though? We know that Oda designed both the character of Z and the artwork. Do we know that for Gasparde as well? No, we can only confirm he designed the artwork. Again where do you get the idea from that I claimed it canon?
Just because something is non-canon doesn't mean it must contradict the canon in every possible way.
Do you assume the join dates of the marine admirals were decided by a dice just for the special volume? More likely Oda added their actual canonical join dates from his notes.
I haven't thought much about it, but Weevil being Lox would fit in with the movie Z, which is non-canon but was produced by Oda himself. That is because not anyone could take an Admiral's arm. The whole point of that movie was to hype up post-timeskip One Piece by premiering many character designs early. In that context, Zephyrs backstory could be viewed as hype for the new Shishibukai - which is Weevil.
Age 74 - 60 years ago (aged 14 at this time), Z enlisted into the Marines - meaning he was 74 years of age according to arithmetic calculations.
Age 18 - he fought his first battle which was 4 years on from enlisting.
Age 34 - he mastered Haki.
Age 38 - 4 Years on from mastering Haki at age 34, he became an Admiral in Gol D. Roger's era.
Age 39 - he married and bore a son 1 year after becoming an Admiral at age 38.
Age 42 - 3 years on from both the conception of a family and 1 year of being an Admiral at age 39, they were killed by this 7th Shichibukai Pirate.
Age 65 - 23 years on from the death of his family at age 42, he lost his division and his arm was severed by a Pirate with DF abilities.
Age 70 - 5 years on from the death of his division and severed arm at age 65, he received a mechanical arm and started hunting down Pirates with abilities.
Age 73 - a year before he was 74 (the first year after the time-skip/year after war of the best), the 7th Shichibukai was enlisted.
Age 72 - a year before he was 73 is when the war of the best took place.
Age 74 - the end of the time-skip, or the present.
Zephyr was said to believe in justice more than any other marine:
Yet he didn't show up at the war of the best at aged 72 even though he had an arm he was using to hunt down Pirates meaning he was a very capable fighter and asset.
The movie said he fought against Whitebeard & Roger, yet this man who believes so strong in justice didn't turn up when Whitebeard challenged the WG (the institution which he believes upholds the justice he believes in); would be like Akainu not turning up to the war against Whitebeard despite his sense of justice. He was also still very capable of fighting.
His wife and family were killed by a Pirate who had a strong grudge against Zephyr (the apparent 7th Shichibukai who also looks nothing like Weevil).
Zephyr remained in the Marines up until 73 before he went rogue.
What's even more weird is the fact that Coby and Helmeppo are asking who Zephyr is despite having being in the Marines while Zephyr was a part of it. He trained all the Marines, they should have known who Zephyr was, and more so that they're actually pretty high ranked; they'd have been educated about him like everyone is about Garp due to an inspiring legacy that was still currently on-going.
It makes no sense that Kizaru nor the Marines even say anything concerning Weevil having taken down Zephyr when relating to his strength.
Everything indicates that Zephyr isn't canon, and the 7th Shichibukai that killed the Zephyr isn't Weevil, but a character invented specifically for the movie. Even the image of the 7th Shichibukai looks nothing like Weevil.
A character lile Zephyr who was so pivotal to the current generation of the Marine's growth to not have been known in the movie by Coby or mentioned even once in the Manga implies this is non-canon.
It heavily contradicts the canon. A figure so prominent would be well known in the series.There are too many plot-holes.
Hell, even the current releases from the Novel make no mention of him. The idea that the so-called Captain of Big Mom and Kaido with a mere 480m bounty...
Your Image isn't showing? What kind of image is it? Is it a Sillhouette? If it is one then only Mihawk would be a real Shishibukai and Mom and Kaido wouldn't be Yonkou because their sillhouettes were different.
We aren't talking about Zephyr. Actually though there is nothing in Zephyr's past that contradicts the timeline so far except maybe the Shishibukai. Him not showing up at the War of the Best is not a continuity breaker. Vergo, Tokikake, Gion, they all weren't there either.
This was the so-called Pirate that injured Zephyr, yet he looks nothing like Weevil.
Lol, how old was Jozu then? 12? Seems you can divine the age of characters from just looking at them. By the way, here's Weevil?
How does this look like Weevil? The apparent Shichibukai who cut off Zephyr's arm? What's your excuse this time buddy.
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They must all have the Pheonix fruit theme going on then. They all look the same.
Again one image isn't showing. The other image is an upscaled miniature panel. Blackbeard barely has a proper face in this picture. How can you say he looks the same. Again Yozu looks slightly slimmer here (but bulkier than in chapter 0 which was my reference point) and Marco lacks facial hair and his hair looks slightly shorter.
Age 74 - 60 years ago (aged 14 at this time), Z enlisted into the Marines - meaning he was 74 years of age according to arithmetic calculations.
Age 18 - he fought his first battle which was 4 years on from enlisting.
Age 34 - he mastered Haki.
Age 38 - 4 Years on from mastering Haki at age 34, he became an Admiral in Gol D. Roger's era.
Age 39 - he married and bore a son 1 year after becoming an Admiral at age 38.
Age 42 - 3 years on from both the conception of a family and 1 year of being an Admiral at age 39, they were killed by this 7th Shichibukai Pirate.
Age 65 - 23 years on from the death of his family at age 42, he lost his division and his arm was severed by a Pirate with DF abilities.
Age 70 - 5 years on from the death of his division and severed arm at age 65, he received a mechanical arm and started hunting down Pirates with abilities.
Age 73 - a year before he was 74 (the first year after the time-skip/year after war of the best), the 7th Shichibukai was enlisted.
Age 72 - a year before he was 73 is when the war of the best took place.
Age 74 - the end of the time-skip, or the present.
Zephyr was said to believe in justice more than any other marine:
Yet he didn't show up at the war of the best at aged 72 even though he had an arm he was using to hunt down Pirates meaning he was a very capable fighter and asset.
The movie said he fought against Whitebeard & Roger, yet this man who believes so strong in justice didn't turn up when Whitebeard challenged the WG (the institution which he believes upholds the justice he believes in); would be like Akainu not turning up to the war against Whitebeard despite his sense of justice. He was also still very capable of fighting.
His wife and family were killed by a Pirate who had a strong grudge against Zephyr (the apparent 7th Shichibukai who also looks nothing like Weevil).
Zephyr remained in the Marines up until 73 before he went rogue.
What's even more weird is the fact that Coby and Helmeppo are asking who Zephyr is despite having being in the Marines while Zephyr was a part of it. He trained all the Marines, they should have known who Zephyr was, and more so that they're actually pretty high ranked; they'd have been educated about him like everyone is about Garp due to an inspiring legacy that was still currently on-going.
It makes no sense that Kizaru nor the Marines even say anything concerning Weevil having taken down Zephyr when relating to his strength.
Everything indicates that Zephyr isn't canon, and the 7th Shichibukai that killed the Zephyr isn't Weevil, but a character invented specifically for the movie. Even the image of the 7th Shichibukai looks nothing like Weevil.
A character lile Zephyr who was so pivotal to the current generation of the Marine's growth to not have been known in the movie by Coby or mentioned even once in the Manga implies this is non-canon.
It heavily contradicts the canon. A figure so prominent would be well known in the series.There are too many plot-holes.
Hell, even the current releases from the Novel make no mention of him. The idea that the so-called Captain of Big Mom and Kaido with a mere 480m bounty...
No one said the character of Zephyr is canon. We are not even talking about Zephyr. I had the idea, to support the thread creator's idea, that the Shishibukai mentioned in the non-canon Volume Z is the Lox leader since that would be a person of the caliber to injure an admiral. I do believe that the Shishibukai mentioned in the non-canon Volume Z is Weevil, because I find it unlikely that Oda wouldn't have the canon storyline in mind even in his non-canon work.
And I have seen the images now. Yours are still not working. The Shishibukai shown is a generic pirate. As generic as pirates could be. And he has no face. Again by that logic Mihawk would be the only Shishibukai and Kaido and Big Mom wouldn't be Yonkou. I bet there is more examples of sillhouettes not matching the actual characters appearence.
It is very likely that Oda had Weevil's backstory by the point he made Volume Z. It is less likely though that he had the finalized artwork.
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Or in other words: By the time movie Z was released, one Shishibukai was left to be revealed in the manga (Weevil). The movie did include a character backstory written by Oda that mentions the new Shishibukai to be admiral level. Later we get Weevil, who has the strenght of young Whitebeard (Yonkou). Coincidence? I think not.
Only few people in the world can be mentioned in the same breath as the Yonkou and Admiral's. The Lox leader is certainly one of them and "Edward" Weevil is most likely not who he claims to be.
Your Image isn't showing? What kind of image is it? Is it a Sillhouette? If it is one then only Mihawk would be a real Shishibukai and Mom and Kaido wouldn't be Yonkou because their sillhouettes were different.
We aren't talking about Zephyr. Actually though there is nothing in Zephyr's past that contradicts the timeline so far except maybe the Shishibukai. Him not showing up at the War of the Best is not a continuity breaker. Vergo, Tokikake, Gion, they all weren't there either.
Again one image isn't showing. The other image is an upscaled miniature panel. Blackbeard barely has a proper face in this picture. How can you say he looks the same. Again Yozu looks slightly slimmer here (but bulkier than in chapter 0 which was my reference point) and Marco lacks facial hair and his hair looks slightly shorter
No one said the character of Zephyr is canon. We are not even talking about Zephyr. I had the idea, to support the thread creator's idea, that the Shishibukai mentioned in the non-canon Volume Z is the Lox leader since that would be a person of the caliber to injure an admiral. I do believe that the Shishibukai mentioned in the non-canon Volume Z is Weevil, because I find it unlikely that Oda wouldn't have the canon storyline in mind even in his non-canon work.
Read what I have written above, alot of double posts got merged.
Other than that I think you just can't read properly. I mean even capslocks didn't help to singnalize that we are not discussing about the canonicity of Volume/Movie Z.
And yes I can estimate a characters age just by looking on them because I look at the panels and not just the text. Oda has his patterns and yes facial hair can be an indicator of age. Have you seen Luffy age 40? What's the main difference? Oh! The facial hair!
Read what I have written above, alot of double posts got merged.
Other than that I think you just can't read properly. I mean even capslocks didn't help to singnalize that we are not discussing about the canonicity of Volume/Movie Z.
And yes I can estimate a characters age just by looking on them because I look at the panels and not just the text. Oda has his patterns and yes facial hair can be an indicator of age. Have you seen Luffy age 40? What's the main difference? Oh! The facial hair!
Lol, it's impossible. You have no idea how old Marco is. You'd be delusional to state you did. This is Marco and co. 20 years apart and you really think you can claim their age?
It's not fully Canon. Luffy never defeated him in the Canon and Shiki didn't make any plans to takeover East Blue. The only thing Canon is everything up till he met with Whitebeard. The rest is a film.
We already know Shiki is Canon. Zephyr isn't. Oda writing a film doesn't make it Canon, that's completely false. Zephy doesn't even fit into the time-line.
Where is he during the war? You can't answer,
Where are the Neo Marines he formed after Marineford? You can't answer.
It's not fully Canon. Luffy never defeated him in the Canon and Shiki didn't make any plans to takeover East Blue. The only thing Canon is everything up till he met with Whitebeard. The rest is a film.
Just because it's a movie Oda was involved in doesn't make it Canon. Yet you went on to state that he was involved implying that;s the point you were trying to make.
Now, you say you're just correcting a statement. Long story short, you made no valid input in this discussion then.
Nonetheless. Weevil is not Lox, no evidence for it.
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