Fantasy Eileen vs Jellal

[Seven777]

Restrictions: Universe One, enchanting Jellal into a mouse, swapping bodies, Eileen is limited to her human form

Who wins?

 

[EpicKralZ]

Probably Eileen because her magical power is the same with August and they are both compared. Jellal got wreck like a potato by August. So Eileen no potatos disagree.

 

[Ilikeyou]

Irene lol diffs.

 

[Jko]

Lol, Jellal gets curbed.

She turns Jellal into a donkey

In seriousness Jellal has no chance in beating Irene. He doesn't even get past a lot of regular S12 he has no hope in beating the top tiers.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Going Jellal in an awesome high/extreme-diff fight, they should be around/near each others level, but Jellal impressed me more than human Irene did.

Now that he has spells he can spam and a fairly strong barrier, his only real weakness is his physicals, but that shouldn't come into this fight since Irene isn't the brawler type and she can't negate his magic like August did.

 

[Am Shegar]

This depends if human body Eileen do have magic resist like a dragon or not. In this fight best Eileen powers are restricted so without resist I will go with Jellal. She is strong mage but so is he and he is unrestricted to use on her self destruction spell for example. In fact if it would be tie option i would voted tie. Dragon Eileen wins mid diff by the way.
P.S. First time this is feats vs hype where Jellal has feats Feats of Eileen without restricted powers are Air meteor enchantment and some magic blasts witch is not enough to take Jellal down.

 

[Jko]

Going Jellal in an awesome high/extreme-diff fight, they should be around/near each others level, but Jellal impressed me more than human Irene did.

Now that he has spells he can spam and a fairly strong barrier, his only real weakness is his physicals, but that shouldn't come into this fight since Irene isn't the brawler type and she can't negate his magic like August did.

She beat Erza in H2H how isn't she brawler???

Barrier wasn't real powerful in the first place. Acno was toying around like he did on Tenrou, which is why he was slammed back by a ship in Dragon form.

Irene's enchantments are far stronger, and she can do pretty much anything with them including using his own magic. Jellal hasn't even proven to be mid tier S12.

She terraformed a continental size country, and actually impressed the King of Dragons. I'm not seeing how the guy who got beat in two S12 fights badly is going to hold a candle to someone who is of top 2 caliber. He has nothing to suggest he can fight a non PIS Irene.

More magic, way better durability (took an enhanced Erza sword swing to the head, and Erza with one hand can bust a way stronger version of Jellal's sema), way better physicals, way more stamina, and way more versatile.

I'm not seeing how Jellal is doing crud to Irene. He can't even beat Invel tier S12s.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Irene wins in human form high diff.

I like Jellal but he is getting a bit overrated.

I consider Makarov vs Acnologia far better feat than Irene's or Jellal's but I rate Makarov below them.

 

[**Silver**]

Irene wins High-difficulty... LoL august murder stomped jellal

Dragon Irene Easy-difficulty

 

[ArthurDayne]

Jellal high diff if Irene can't use Deus Sema in human form. Toss-up if she can. I'm still not convinced Erza knew about Sema and her "greater than Jellal's magic?!" comment could be a general referring to Heavenly body magic she has seen. After all,Sema was a true Heavenly body magic whereas Irene only said heavenly body..

More importantly,
People actually claim Jellal can't beat Invel tier Sprigg's and refer to the Neinhart fight as a loss for Jellal even though Jellal lolstomped with a low-mid tier spell.But these same people said Laxus low-diffs Jellal so we can see where their motive and vigour comes from..

 

[sharkai]

Eileen low diff

 

[Jko]

Jellal high diff if Irene can't use Deus Sema in human form. Toss-up if she can. I'm still not convinced Erza knew about Sema and her "greater than Jellal's magic?!" comment could be a general referring to Heavenly body magic she has seen. After all,Sema was a true Heavenly body magic whereas Irene only said heavenly body..

More importantly,
People actually claim Jellal can't beat Invel tier Sprigg's and refer to the Neinhart fight as a loss for Jellal even though Jellal lolstomped with a low-mid tier spell.But these same people said Laxus low-diffs Jellal so we can see where their motive and vigour comes from..

Neinhart sucked he was the lowest of low S12. His durability is not even that of a S12. Base Natsu two shotted an enhanced version. Jellal was oneshotted and needed to be saved by Kagura therefore it was not a stomp. And Jellal was oneshotted by a no named fodder blast from Neinhart. GC is Jellal's second strongest spell to date.

Invel would instantly freeze Jellal. Jellal has nothing to stop or get out of the insta freeze. He has nothing to suggest he can beat Invel and above S12 tier.

Erza been with Jellal for a year she knows his magic. Mashima knows what Sema is therefore Erza knows what is, and that's why he wrote her saying it.

 

[Ebony Maw]

She beat Erza in H2H how isn't she brawler???

Bad phrasing on my part, by "not a brawler" I meant she doesn't go for H2H that often, she mainly sits back and uses Enchantment blasts.

Barrier wasn't real powerful in the first place. Acno was toying around like he did on Tenrou, which is why he was slammed back by a ship in Dragon form.

An Acnologia that is playing around is still Acnologia, exactly the same sort that Irene performed decently against. Jellal's Barrier blocked the attack that caught Irene off-guard, and his barrier seems to be pretty quick to cast too, I don't see Irene's Enchantment blast.

Irene's enchantments are far stronger, and she can do pretty much anything with them including using his own magic. Jellal hasn't even proven to be mid tier S12.

She only used his magic whilst in her Dragon mode, Human Irene has shown nothing to hint that she'd be able to pull that off. Also, Irene's Enchantments more powerful than his spells? I find that hard to believe considering that both of them managed to blow Acnologia back. If anything, one of Jellal's spammable spells is on par with her Atmospheric Enchantment, so his spells that he charges or simply the Grand Chariot he used against Acno should be above any of her enchantment blasts.

Jellal hasn't proven to be mid-tier? Which Spriggans do you consider mid-tier? The only ones that have a chance against him are Brandish and DiMaria since their hax is basically instant, the others can be spammed before they get the chance to make their first move.

She terraformed a continental size country, and actually impressed the King of Dragons. I'm not seeing how the guy who got beat in two S12 fights badly is going to hold a candle to someone who is of top 2 caliber. He has nothing to suggest he can fight a non PIS Irene.

Lost two S12 fights badly? Are you talking about Neinhart and August?

He didn't lose the Neinhart fight, in fact he one-shotted him. If you're referring to what Neinhart's blast did at the start, he was blasted through a ship and pinned under an anchor, he was unconscious because he began to drown, hence why Kagura had to perform CPR. And even if you ignore this and say he would have been hurt by the blast, he could have avoided it. Jellal only got hit because he was trying to push Kagura out of the way, and the fact that he even got to Kagura before the nuke did is pretty much proof that he could avoid it. Also, keep in mind that was just Jellal's regular speed, if Jellal had used Meteor he would have easily got Kagura out of the way and avoided the blast.

As for August... people are still holding this against him? August's magic is literally the worst counter to Jellal and CS ever, not to mention any Caster mage that doesn't happen to be a master of CQC. We learnt two chapters ago that Caster magic doesn't work on August and that he can copy the magic of those who fight him, so of course Jellal lost in a stomp because his magic couldn't affect August. Put anyone else that's a Caster against August and the same thing happens. This was even demonstrated in the Gildarts and Cana vs August fight, Gildarts had a prosthetic arm that August couldn't copy, had CQC skills that were top tier and had Cana there which let him figure out August's weakness. And what happened? August dominated the entire fight despite only starting to use actual magic towards the end.

Seriously, using Jellal's loss to August is the worst case of lowballing since the manga itself explicitly states why August is basically unbeatable to anyone not named Zeref or Acnologia.

More magic

Quantity ≠ Quality.

way better durability (took an enhanced Erza sword swing to the head,

Agreed here, Jellal's specialty isn't tanking. Luckily he's really fast.

and Erza with one hand can bust a way stronger version of Jellal's sema),

Are we going to ignore the metric shit ton of PoF she had? And the still vague AF excuse of having "Makarov's strength"?

If not, then Irene's top tier spell is pretty pathetic since an exhausted Erza, with every bone in her body broken bar those in her right arm, managed to destroy it.

way better physicals, way more stamina, and way more versatile.

Agreed here, only thing I would say is that Jellal is much faster and is pretty versatile himself.

I'm not seeing how Jellal is doing crud to Irene. He can't even beat Invel tier S12s.

Can't beat an Invel tier S12.....

Can I call human Irene a mid-tier S12 then? She performed about as well as Jellal vs Acnologia, and that's her best feat in her Human form.

Irene wins High-difficulty... LoL august murder stomped jellal

Read above, using August to try and lowball Jellal is ridiculous.

 

[sharkai]

Bad phrasing on my part, by "not a brawler" I meant she doesn't go for H2H that often, she mainly sits back and uses Enchantment blasts.

An Acnologia that is playing around is still Acnologia, exactly the same sort that Irene performed decently against. Jellal's Barrier blocked the attack that caught Irene off-guard, and his barrier seems to be pretty quick to cast too, I don't see Irene's Enchantment blast.

She only used his magic whilst in her Dragon mode, Human Irene has shown nothing to hint that she'd be able to pull that off. Also, Irene's Enchantments more powerful than his spells? I find that hard to believe considering that both of them managed to blow Acnologia back. If anything, one of Jellal's spammable spells is on par with her Atmospheric Enchantment, so his spells that he charges or simply the Grand Chariot he used against Acno should be above any of her enchantment blasts.

Jellal hasn't proven to be mid-tier? Which Spriggans do you consider mid-tier? The only ones that have a chance against him are Brandish and DiMaria since their hax is basically instant, the others can be spammed before they get the chance to make their first move.

Lost two S12 fights badly? Are you talking about Neinhart and August?

He didn't lose the Neinhart fight, in fact he one-shotted him. If you're referring to what Neinhart's blast did at the start, he was blasted through a ship and pinned under an anchor, he was unconscious because he began to drown, hence why Kagura had to perform CPR. And even if you ignore this and say he would have been hurt by the blast, he could have avoided it. Jellal only got hit because he was trying to push Kagura out of the way, and the fact that he even got to Kagura before the nuke did is pretty much proof that he could avoid it. Also, keep in mind that was just Jellal's regular speed, if Jellal had used Meteor he would have easily got Kagura out of the way and avoided the blast.

As for August... people are still holding this against him? August's magic is literally the worst counter to Jellal and CS ever, not to mention any Caster mage that doesn't happen to be a master of CQC. We learnt two chapters ago that Caster magic doesn't work on August and that he can copy the magic of those who fight him, so of course Jellal lost in a stomp because his magic couldn't affect August. Put anyone else that's a Caster against August and the same thing happens. This was even demonstrated in the Gildarts and Cana vs August fight, Gildarts had a prosthetic arm that August couldn't copy, had CQC skills that were top tier and had Cana there which let him figure out August's weakness. And what happened? August dominated the entire fight despite only starting to use actual magic towards the end.

Seriously, using Jellal's loss to August is the worst case of lowballing since the manga itself explicitly states why August is basically unbeatable to anyone not named Zeref or Acnologia.

Quantity ≠ Quality.

Agreed here, Jellal's specialty isn't tanking. Luckily he's really fast.

Are we going to ignore the metric shit ton of PoF she had? And the still vague AF excuse of having "Makarov's strength"?

If not, then Irene's top tier spell is pretty pathetic since an exhausted Erza, with every bone in her body broken bar those in her right arm, managed to destroy it.

Agreed here, only thing I would say is that Jellal is much faster and is pretty versatile himself.

Can't beat an Invel tier S12.....

Can I call human Irene a mid-tier S12 then? She performed about as well as Jellal vs Acnologia, and that's her best feat in her Human form.

Read above, using August to try and lowball Jellal is ridiculous.

Lol
Irene is faster than jellal by alot
Irene is faster than enhanced erza who is faster than jellal by feats.
And nuke aconologia used on irene was.magnitude stronger than small thing he used on erza and wendy
And her enchantment blew aconolgia far away. Jellal doesnt compare here.

No you cant call human irene mid tier
Jellal might be a mid tier.
Human.irene is top tier springgan.
Somewhat above normal august. Little below august red form.

 

[Jko]

Bad phrasing on my part, by "not a brawler" I meant she doesn't go for H2H that often, she mainly sits back and uses Enchantment blasts.

An Acnologia that is playing around is still Acnologia, exactly the same sort that Irene performed decently against. Jellal's Barrier blocked the attack that caught Irene off-guard, and his barrier seems to be pretty quick to cast too, I don't see Irene's Enchantment blast.

She only used his magic whilst in her Dragon mode, Human Irene has shown nothing to hint that she'd be able to pull that off. Also, Irene's Enchantments more powerful than his spells? I find that hard to believe considering that both of them managed to blow Acnologia back. If anything, one of Jellal's spammable spells is on par with her Atmospheric Enchantment, so his spells that he charges or simply the Grand Chariot he used against Acno should be above any of her enchantment blasts.

Jellal hasn't proven to be mid-tier? Which Spriggans do you consider mid-tier? The only ones that have a chance against him are Brandish and DiMaria since their hax is basically instant, the others can be spammed before they get the chance to make their first move.

Lost two S12 fights badly? Are you talking about Neinhart and August?

He didn't lose the Neinhart fight, in fact he one-shotted him. If you're referring to what Neinhart's blast did at the start, he was blasted through a ship and pinned under an anchor, he was unconscious because he began to drown, hence why Kagura had to perform CPR. And even if you ignore this and say he would have been hurt by the blast, he could have avoided it. Jellal only got hit because he was trying to push Kagura out of the way, and the fact that he even got to Kagura before the nuke did is pretty much proof that he could avoid it. Also, keep in mind that was just Jellal's regular speed, if Jellal had used Meteor he would have easily got Kagura out of the way and avoided the blast.

As for August... people are still holding this against him? August's magic is literally the worst counter to Jellal and CS ever, not to mention any Caster mage that doesn't happen to be a master of CQC. We learnt two chapters ago that Caster magic doesn't work on August and that he can copy the magic of those who fight him, so of course Jellal lost in a stomp because his magic couldn't affect August. Put anyone else that's a Caster against August and the same thing happens. This was even demonstrated in the Gildarts and Cana vs August fight, Gildarts had a prosthetic arm that August couldn't copy, had CQC skills that were top tier and had Cana there which let him figure out August's weakness. And what happened? August dominated the entire fight despite only starting to use actual magic towards the end.

Seriously, using Jellal's loss to August is the worst case of lowballing since the manga itself explicitly states why August is basically unbeatable to anyone not named Zeref or Acnologia.

Quantity ≠ Quality.

Agreed here, Jellal's specialty isn't tanking. Luckily he's really fast.

Are we going to ignore the metric shit ton of PoF she had? And the still vague AF excuse of having "Makarov's strength"?

If not, then Irene's top tier spell is pretty pathetic since an exhausted Erza, with every bone in her body broken bar those in her right arm, managed to destroy it.

Agreed here, only thing I would say is that Jellal is much faster and is pretty versatile himself.

Can't beat an Invel tier S12.....

Can I call human Irene a mid-tier S12 then? She performed about as well as Jellal vs Acnologia, and that's her best feat in her Human form.

Read above, using August to try and lowball Jellal is ridiculous.

And? Her beating Erza in H2H already shows she is a better fighter.

Acno praised and acknowledged Irene. He was using as much or more force then he did on Serena as he knew she was vastly stronger than him. Jellal is not stronger than Serena and half dead Erza and Wendy aren't individually stronger than Serena physically either. Acno only used as much force needed to kill them.

He has never one on one an S12 let alone a mid tier so no he hasn't shown to be better than a mid tier. Wall, Invel, Bradman, Jacob and almost every regular tier S12 can beat Jellal. Jellal speed isn't really anything considering he has no notable speed feats.

Neinhart oneshotted him. Jellal was KOed before he hit the ground. Jellal wouldn't got pinned by an anchor or he would really be a weak mage if he couldn't even get an anchor Kagura could get off of him.

Not really holding August against but it shows he is no match for the top tiers. Gild by himself for ghe most part did better than the entire CS.

Her quantity and quality is greater than Jellal's.

Nowhere near as fast as a Dragon. His speed doesn't even compare to Erza.

A feat is feat. She smashed that meteor with minimal effort at that.

Irene never stated Deus Sema is her best spell. She did it casually.

She actually forced Acno to recognize her and proceeded to keep him at bay the entire war with u1. She actually won the encounter not ran with her tail between her legs. She did that casually at that, and Acno praised her strength. Acno completely ignored Jellal and the only time he commented to Wen was to boast about himself.

S12 are scared of human Irene. She just turn Invel into a flower. She can no diff any S12 besides August.

 

[Seven777]

Added the option to tie if anyone cares

 

[ArthurDayne]

I'm not going to try to debunk arguments filled with downplaying and obvious bias..

Every feat Jellal shows is downplayed and every feat shown against Jellal/compared to Jellal is blown out of proportion.. Jellal can't beat Invel? Jellal can't beat friggin Wall? LMAO.. And that's not all..Jellal has no notable speed feats???!!! Neinhart one-shotted him? Just reading that last one is enough to recognize a biased interpretation...Wonder why I even bothered this far.

@Jko Have fun downplaying bro,I'd be glad if you kept me out of it and didn't quote me in the future though

 

[sharkai]

I'm not going to try to debunk arguments filled with downplaying and obvious bias..

Every feat Jellal shows is downplayed and every feat shown against Jellal/compared to Jellal is blown out of proportion.. Jellal can't beat Invel? Jellal can't beat friggin Wall? LMAO.. And that's not all..Jellal has no notable speed feats???!!! Neinhart one-shotted him? Just reading that last one is enough to recognize a biased interpretation...Wonder why I even bothered this far.

@Jko Have fun downplaying bro,I'd be glad if you kept me out of it and didn't quote me in the future though

Technically not many people should be able to beat invel. He should insta freeze erza jellal and laxus. Neither are heat based mage or considerably stronger than him to get out of his ice in time.
Personally i dont think wahl can beat him. Wahl doesnt have nice offence so doubt he can take jellal.
And nienhart did kind of knock him out. Cant just ignore that

And his speed feats arent comparable fo irene who was easily handling enhanced erza. And erza herself is a fast character.

So its not much downgrading
People are downgrading irene here more.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'll say tie, but honestly Irene was trolled so hard that proofs wouldn't help me too much. Enchantment is a stupidly overpowered magic, and Irene's MP is above Jellal's.

If we're talking about the Acno encounter, the scenes favour Irene. She was able to do the same as Jellal, all the while enchanting the whole continent. Acnologia was easily more impressed with Irene.

You could argue that with PiS Jellal would get beaten by Erza without Wendy...

 

[Sevently]

Irene highdiff