Elie being knocked out with a cheap shot as she is offguard from ludociel basically coming out of nowhere and painting her as a liar biding the goddesses time to kill the women and children should not count to what her abilities are IMO. All it proves as that she can be knocked out if someone of derieri's caliber hits her with a cheap shot while she's not attempting to counter.
I mean Gloxinia's entire PL is compromised of magic and spirit.
He has 0 Strength - yet his durability, speed, reaction speed and everything else isn't fodder tier. I mean he kept up with Pre-purgatory Meliodas and survived a cruel sun the strength of Estarossa (apparently).
So why does everyone accept Elizabeth being ''one shot KO'' as proof of her strength? Clearly she was off-guard and Nakaba wanted to force a way for her to leave the situation to let the AA's and 10C's fight.
So to me, Elizabeth should be a Gloxinia-type of character (almost all magic) but should have some decent or good strength - its just that she hasn't had many situations to express it, and the only situation she was ever in as a Goddess (and was physically attacked) Nakaba ended up using for dramatic effect lol.
Gloxinia has plenty of feats and he is a Fairy. As for his durability, compared to people of his level, he is quite fragile, just like King, that's how Fairies. I am not saying that she is weak, I am saying that she is not at the level of the strongest Commandments and the Archangels.
What? How is it a cheap shot? It was a straight punch to the face.
What Ban did to Merascylla at Vaizel counts as a cheap shot but this? I don't see how it qualifies.
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Gloxinia has plenty of feats and he is a Fairy. As for his durability, compared to people of his level, he is quite fragile, just like King, that's how Fairies. I am not saying that she is weak, I am saying that she is not at the level of the strongest Commandments and the Archangels.
They went from discussion to a punch to the face it was pretty cheap I would say.
When you say not at the level of the AA you do mean overall combat ability right? Then where do you say her magic power stacks up?
They went from discussion to a punch to the face it was pretty cheap I would say.
When you say not at the level of the AA you do mean overall combat ability right? Then where do you say her magic power stacks up?
Why was her purification so advantageous to pose an issue against two opponents 70000 points greater than her? Did not earlie state that you believe Merlin should have been able to overcome two people 30000 points higher than her?
Because it is Ark, and because she focused all of her power in that move. I also believe that she has some Magic boosting these kind of skills but I can't really prove that.
I am well aware of light being advantageous. But how was Eli able to over come a 50000 disadvantage because of an attribute advantage but galan was able to overcome a 50000 disadvantage when attacked by an advantageous attribute?
Because it is Ark, and because she focused all of her power in that move. I also believe that she has some Magic boosting these kind of skills but I can't really prove that.
I have also wondered about magic boosting skills. I do have a range I believe her to be in but that remains to be seen. It was also why earlier I was talking about the magic stat. Potency and capacity and their role. That is way more logical to me than an elemental advantage overcoming giant differences and why I question an increase in Merlin’s PL
But Ark has been proven to not work on demons if the individual doesn't have the magic power to back up their attacks.
Host-limited Sariel and Tarmiel couldn't harm Estarossa, even when they combined their ark's.
Ludoshel couldn't harm Indura, even when Derriere took no caution to block or dodge his magic - it did absolutely nothing.
Nerobasta could only ark Fodder Demons to death and failed to do any significant damage against Derriere, a 50k commandment.
Elizabeth on the other hand can melt Derriere's hand like butter even though she doesn't have all of her memories, and at her prime can make Indura's who are definitely 100k+ desperate and on the threshold of being defeated, and that's in a 1v2.
Elizabeth's ark is effective on demons BECAUSE she has the power to back it up, it's not all down to the elemental attribute of her magic, because if it was, then there's no excuse for ''supposedly'' stronger Goddesses like the Archangels, to be unable to harm Indura when Elizabeth most certainly did.
Elizabeth's ark is superior than any other Goddess in the series, and that's going off feats (which everyone boils it down too).
As a human, I'd probably agree to that, maybe a little higher. 40k?
As a Goddess, SHE should be AA tier minimum (around 90k) considering how her wings depict her power status + her ark has greater feats than the AA's.
To me, she seems to be a AA tier Goddess, with much stronger magic, but happens to be weaker physically than everyone else. And that's fine. Everyone has their strength's and weaknesses.
I am well aware of light being advantageous. But how was Eli able to over come a 50000 disadvantage because of an attribute advantage but galan was able to overcome a 50000 disadvantage when attacked by an advantageous attribute?
Light is advantageous, but it doesn't make up for that large of a power gap.
Either Elizabeth's magic (ark) has special properties to it, or her magic power is greater than people assume it is, and the latter seems to be more of a reliable conclusion considering how she has better feats with her ark than anyone else in the clan.
I have also wondered about magic boosting skills. I do have a range I believe her to be in but that remains to be seen. It was also why earlier I was talking about the magic stat. Potency and capacity and their role. That is way more logical to me than an elemental advantage overcoming giant differences and why I question an increase in Merlin’s PL
But Ark has been proven to not work on demons if the individual doesn't have the magic power to back up their attacks.
Host-limited Sariel and Tarmiel couldn't harm Estarossa, even when they combined their ark's.
Ludoshel couldn't harm Indura, even when Derriere took no caution to block or dodge his magic - it did absolutely nothing.
Nerobasta could only ark Fodder Demons to death and failed to do any significant damage against Derriere, a 50k commandment.
Elizabeth on the other hand can melt Derriere's hand like butter even though she doesn't have all of her memories, and at her prime can make Indura's who are definitely 100k+ desperate and on the threshold of being defeated, and that's in a 1v2.
Elizabeth's ark is effective on demons BECAUSE she has the power to back it up, it's not all down to the elemental attribute of her magic, because if it was, then there's no excuse for ''supposedly'' stronger Goddesses like the Archangels, to be unable to harm Indura when Elizabeth most certainly did.
Elizabeth's ark is superior than any other Goddess in the series, and that's going off feats (which everyone boils it down too).
Human or Goddess?
As a human, I'd probably agree to that, maybe a little higher. 40k?
As a Goddess, SHE should be AA tier minimum (around 90k) considering how her wings depict her power status + her ark has greater feats than the AA's.
To me, she seems to be a AA tier Goddess, with much stronger magic, but happens to be weaker physically than everyone else. And that's fine. Everyone has their strength's and weaknesses.
If Elizabeth has anything unique, then I may believe it has to be something related to her ark.
Maybe because of her royal heritage, her ark is of a higher ''quality'' and therefore more powerful than the average Goddesses.
Other than that, I have no idea.
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Light is advantageous, but it doesn't make up for that large of a power gap.
Either Elizabeth's magic (ark) has special properties to it, or her magic power is greater than people assume it is, and the latter seems to be more of a reliable conclusion considering how she has better feats with her ark than anyone else in the clan.
I don’t quite like to state it as it is just how I perceive it to be and I will not unyielding argue for it. My perception of the magic stat impacts what I think.
If I had to say I do believe it’s possible her PL as a human is 20k+. As for the og Eli, I think she could be anywhere from 40k-100k+.
I am extremely curious of her connection to the graces if any and if there was any difference to her power and temperament well before she met Mel
funny how "ark is light so its obvious elizabeth could hurt him! even if she's not stong!" yet nerobasta using ark on derieri and it doing nothing, or demons tanking the archangels arks is basically glossed over despite that.
All i'm saying is, if Elie's power is confirmed as over 100k, dont cry because you didnt see the evidence
the only time her power was recorded was during the druid arc. So yeah, her current power level has not actually been recorded yet. As we know, just by default her PL is not going to be that small being the daughter of the SG and the feats of magic she has shown.
People are being straight ignorant with Elizabeth for some reason, and its frustrating
funny how "ark is light so its obvious elizabeth could hurt him! even if she's not stong!" yet nerobasta using ark on derieri and it doing nothing, or demons tanking the archangels arks is basically glossed over despite that.
All i'm saying is, if Elie's power is confirmed as over 100k, dont cry because you didnt see the evidence
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the only time her power was recorded was during the druid arc. So yeah, her current power level has not actually been recorded yet. As we know, just by default her PL is not going to be that small being the daughter of the SG and the feats of magic she has shown.
People are being straight ignorant with Elizabeth for some reason, and its frustrating
Nerobasta's Ark did something to Derrierie, we saw her scream because of the pain. Even Jelamet's Ark affected Meliodas himself, both did that in their hosts. If Elizabeth's PL is revealed and it's that high I won't say anything. But so far she doesn't seem to be that strong at all.
No I don't think it's the same. And I don't consider her Human.
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Nerobasta's Ark did something to Derrierie, we saw her scream because of the pain. Even Jelamet's Ark affected Meliodas himself. If Elizabeth's PL is revealed and it's that high I won't say anything. But so far she doesn't seem to be that strong at all.
She was born as a human, or specifically a druid and happens to biologically and physically be the same.
Memories don't change biology, and even her wings aren't physically attached to her body (like the AA and their hosts) which proves that she isn't a Goddess right now.
Only her spirit/soul is that of a Goddess currently. Physically, she is a druid.
She was born as a human, or specifically a druid and happens to biologically and physically be the same.
Memories don't change biology, and even her wings aren't physically attached to her body (like the AA and their hosts) which proves that she isn't a Goddess right now.
Only her spirit/soul is that of a Goddess currently. Physically, she is a druid.
Her soul is a goddess but her body is her own reconstituted into a human...something that is almost impossible, hence why she has heterochromia as opposed to just the goddess eye color. However, i think that also means that her case is incomparable to the other host bodies of goddesses. which is why her body doesnt break down or show and stress from hosting her soul or using her abilities. I would be curious to see what the state of her being is when/if the curse is broken...
