Discussion Elizabeth

[sobreno]

Who knows? Maybe Elizabeth was punished before by her mother to a lesser degree and was aware of what behaviour was unacceptable. So when she saved the commandments, knew her mother would punish her.

As for Meliodas, cursing him was the first time daddy ever punished him and he probably didn't expect (neither Elizabeth) that his father would join the SD in deleting him.

He knew that his Father would come for him sooner or later anyway, he is not retarded.

And his goal wasn't to delete him but to restore him back into his glory days.
However for Elizabeth...

Nobody cared lmao, her mother cursed her for her sadistic pleasure. That didn't benefit her in the slightest.

 

[OtakuFreak]

He knew that his Father would come for him sooner or later anyway, he is not retarded.

And his goal wasn't to delete him but to restore him back into his glory days.
However for Elizabeth...

Nobody cared lmao, her mother cursed her for her sadistic pleasure. That didn't benefit her in the slightest.

Provide scans of Meliodas knowing daddy would spank him with a curse or be quiet.

Elizabeth knew about the curse. Not Meliodas - he was completely clueless.

Scans or silence.

 

[sobreno]

Provide scans of Meliodas knowing daddy would spank him with a curse or be quiet.

Elizabeth knew about the curse. Not Meliodas - he was completely clueless.

Scans or silence.

Elizabeth understands that they are cursed, not that she knew before lmao.

It seems that you can't read? I said that he should knew that his Father would come to him, not cursing him like that.

He expected to be killed, that is all.

 

[OtakuFreak]

I said that he should knew that his Father would come to him, not cursing him like that.

Scans please.

He expected to be killed, that is all.

Evidence or you're speaking head cannon.

Scans or stop talking

 

[sobreno]

Scans please.



Evidence or you're speaking head cannon.

Scans or stop talking

Mel: " I should died, why I am still alive? "

It was his line after the battle against the Gods.

Like I said, he betrayed his Clan, it is common sense that his Father would come for his head.
He break his law.

It is like me breaking the law of my country, of course, sooner or later, I will face the cops and justice.

Dude, you lack common sense.

 

[Seven777]

Mentally tortures Meliodas to the point where he become her tool and Liz is rendered as more a item due to never being able to remember without have just a three day time limit. Fuck it's actually brilliant. Liz is not a threat, Meliodas has to continually watch her die. The two can never have enough time to become a threat.

Also what do you think is the important of Liz's earring? It has a shine at specific moments and it has the sun, moon and stars on it, implying it's linked to the goddess.

Kinda retarded actually, almost as though she playing right into the DK's hands. Why make Mel the immortal one and have Elizabeth die in 3 days? Meliodas is actually the threat here, by making him immortal the SD is giving him the chance to awaken to his true magic, claim the commandments, train beyond his natural lifespan and reach DK level, etc. The only way the SD's plan could be brilliant is if Elizabeth is actually more of a threat than Meliodas...

 

[Meliodaf]

Mel: " I should died, why I am still alive? "

It was his line after the battle against the Gods.

Like I said, he betrayed his Clan, it is common sense that his Father would come for his head.
He break his law.

It is like me breaking the law of my country, of course, sooner or later, I will face the cops and justice.

Dude, you lack common sense.

But Meliodas outright said he didn’t know how he was still alive and explains that he didn’t know about the curse until Elizabeth told him. It was not common sense for him. He didn’t meet that Elizabeth until she was practically an adult and lived with her for a while longer until he realized what happened to him. It literally took him years.

 

[sobreno]

But Meliodas outright said he didn’t know how he was still alive and explains that he didn’t know about the curse until Elizabeth told him. It was not common sense for him. He didn’t meet that Elizabeth until she was practically an adult and lived with her for a while longer until he realized what happened to him. It literally took him years.

Yes, which is what I said.

Mel said that he should died, not cursed like that, since the curse part was beyond his expectations.

He expected death, nothing more.

 

[Undina]

she needed the AA help.

So did Ludociel, so did anyone, no one there, not even Mel(unless he used his asspullish new secret ability) should've been able to solo, considering there were 2 Indura and when the AAs were "going easy" on them, they were still working together and the Indura were doing the same, in stage 1, mind you! Yet Elizabeth got the upper hand pretty fast with a less intrusive and destructive method than the explosive Ark/Grace skills which were expected to get higher damage on a OD-ing on PoD demon.Yes, it was still an Ark skill, but that only speaks volumes about Elizabeth's own ability's quality. Some of you are downright abusing the endurance excuse even though you're not acknowledging the abundance of variables which differ from context to context and ignoring the fact that one's higher endurance is worthless if they don't have any ability/skill to effectively counter an entity like the Indura before their own endurance/resistance/energy runs out.
You're still failing to acknowledge the fact that, so far, Hikari Are is a skill only displayed by Elizabeth and she may have an OP/hax ability proving her worth as a counter to Meliodas in whatever form he winds up.
There's no trace whatsoever of any godly sibling of Elizabeth's while the DK has 2 epic offspring, and you guys still expect that there would be no one or just Mael set up as heir in the GC...when Mael was only ever praised as a war hero, not a prospective ruler, when Ludociel is the only one who thinks he's some sort of actual leader, when the other AAs and the 2 aforementioned ones still acknowledge Elizabeth-(sama)'s importance within the clan in their own odd ways, and even try to bribe her into "changing her ways"...I don't know, but I find the subtle undertone of the story not so subtle anymore, this far in the story.
And it would make for better discussion on this subject on the forum if you guys stopped ignoring the flaws the other OP players have to their "warrior" or "powerhouse" status as well, Elizabeth's are the only ones you guys are constantly noticing.
It's a bit too on the nose that even if Nakaba isn't saying it out loud or drawing it yet, Elizabeth is pretty much set up as Mel's permanent counterpart in the grand scheme of things.

 

[sobreno]

So did Ludociel, so did anyone, no one there, not even Mel(unless he used his asspullish new secret ability) should've been able to solo, considering there were 2 Indura and when the AAs were "going easy" on them, they were still working together and the Indura were doing the same, in stage 1, mind you! Yet Elizabeth got the upper hand pretty fast with a less intrusive and destructive method than the explosive Ark/Grace skills which were expected to get higher damage on a OD-ing on PoD demon.Yes, it was still an Ark skill, but that only speaks volumes about Elizabeth's own ability's quality. Some of you are downright abusing the endurance excuse even though you're not acknowledging the abundance of variables which differ from context to context and ignoring the fact that one's higher endurance is worthless if they don't have any ability/skill to effectively counter an entity like the Indura before their own endurance/resistance/energy runs out.
You're still failing to acknowledge the fact that, so far, Hikari Are is a skill only displayed by Elizabeth and she may have an OP/hax ability proving her worth as a counter to Meliodas in whatever form he winds up.
There's no trace whatsoever of any godly sibling of Elizabeth's while the DK has 2 epic offspring, and you guys still expect that there would be no one or just Mael set up as heir in the GC...when Mael was only ever praised as a war hero, not a prospective ruler, when Ludociel is the only one who tinks he's some sort of actual leader, when the other AAs and the 2 aforementioned ones still acknowledge Elizabeth-(sama)'s importance within the clan in their own odd ways, and even try to bribe her into "changing her ways"...I don't know, but I find the subtle undertone of the story not so subtle anymore, this far in the story.
And it would make for better discussion on this subject on the forum if you guys stopped ignoring the flaws the other OP players have to their "warrior" or "powerhouse" status as well, Elizabeth's are the only ones you guys are constantly noticing.
It's a bit too on the nose that even if Nakaba isn't saying it out loud or drawing it yet, Elizabeth is pretty much set up as Mel's permanent counterpart in the grand scheme of things.

Stop wanking, it is a fact that she suck at physical department.

Her feat in that area is beyond pathetic.

Lol at her being the counterpart of that guy that you call having a godly asspull ability that can destroy anything, even the Gods.
Even if it was foreshadowed but you only care about the damsel in distress right?

 

[Meliodaf]

Stop wanking, it is a fact that she suck at physical department.

Her feat in that area is beyond pathetic.

Lol at her being the counterpart of that guy that you call having a godly asspull ability that can destroy anything, even the Gods.
Even if it was foreshadowed but you only care about the damsel in distress right?

Are you trolling?

 

[sobreno]

Are you trolling?

That is my line.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Well then how about The four archangels were the mightiest goddess and among them mael was the mightiest so making him 2nd only to SD its true until if nakaba pulls out another goddess out of his ass

I hate to say it, but I believe you're stretching too far by calling Mael the strongest Goddess, second to only the Supreme Deity. Now hear me out, even I have the belief that Noon Mael is superior to everyone else in the clan besides the SD, but if it was really that obvious wouldn't have it been confirmed already?

I mean, Mael was called the mightiest out of the Four Archangels, said to be Meliodas rival and even nicknamed the ''Angel Of Death'' but the title of ''Second Strongest Goddess'' has yet to make an appearance.

Meliodas got such a title by being called the ''Almighty Demon'' or some shit but Mael never did.

If you ask me its because sun isnt his power, it belongs to the SD, unlike Meliodas who's power was all his and no one else's. I mean, would you call someone the 2ND Best Chef in the world if they just used the recipes of the person above them? of course not

same applies here

with this logic

Elizabeth is 2ND strongest

I agree with Otaku on the Elizabeth behavior being “weird”.
You’re gonna tell me a non awakened Elizabeth is gonna try to take on a nearly 6K Hendrickson but the awakened Goddess with the memories of 106 lives is going to do nothing against Mael or anyone else ? Come on now.
I wanna see her mollywhop someone
I don’t even care if it’s King, I just wanna see her slap some shit around.

Its even more evident when the example you gave supports such an argument. Elizabeth without memories has more aggressive feats than the Goddess Elizabeth whom has experienced a lot of suffering & pain through the curse and is in a middle of a war. I know she's a peaceful person at heart, but for her to remain on the sidelines and still have a innocent nature is unrealistic, especially when she's literally about to die and is desperate to rescue Meliodas whilst losing friends on the way.

Nakaba-sensei has failed as a writer if Elizabeth makes no character development before the end of the war/manga

I think mael is the strongest archangel even in base (just to keep the forum active)

Nah, I'd give it to Ludoshel or Elizabeth by a small margin.

Ludoshel's the most ruthless, seems to have more experience as the Goddesses ''best hunter'' and obviously has more feats + ''Flash''. Even without his blessing, I would still give it to him.

As for Elizabeth, her magic is far beyond any of the AA's capabilities and she seems to have this ''8 light wings'' mode which seems to be a type of enhancement (like a demon mark or assault mode) that has yet to be fully detailed.

Base Mael has no feats, hard to give it to him really, but realistically you can argue for any of them since they're all comparable to each other in power.

She said that ludo reigned supreme among the four. I cannot find where it was expressed that the 4 AA were unsurpassed in their clan.

Just admit that you're saying Elizabeth is 2ND to the SD only (jk)

 

[shipleyy]

Its even more evident when the example you gave supports such an argument. Elizabeth without memories has more aggressive feats than the Goddess Elizabeth whom has experienced a lot of suffering & pain through the curse and is in a middle of a war. I know she's a peaceful person at heart, but for her to remain on the sidelines and still have a innocent nature is unrealistic, especially when she's literally about to die and is desperate to rescue Meliodas whilst losing friends on the way.

Nakaba-sensei has failed as a writer if Elizabeth makes no character development before the end of the war/manga

And that’s my problem with it
It’s not Elizabeth being a bad character, it’s bad writing. Or bizarre writing at least. Either she’s gearing up to straight body someone or Nakaba has deemed her as a mobile healing ornament.

Elizabeth with no powers/memories :

Makes several attempts to intervene in danger and situations with enemies
Refuses against Griamore/Veronica/Helbram/Vivian/Dreyfus
Gets kicked around multiple times

Elizabeth with memories :
Arc slaps Meliodas for hurting her feelings
Cries hysterically when she realizes Estarossa is Mael

Realistically, those last two situations should be backwards.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

I think your starting to get a little pitiful. Pick your head up. This statement isn’t true. And I can tell you that the treatment of Eli by the audience is by far worse than for mael. In fact it was the only reason I decided to make any comments on this forum at all. Pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, I am aware. People like what they like. You have till the stories end to see what is what.

Treatment of Elizabeth is worse because she is featless except the induras thing

 

[OtakuFreak]

Base Mael ain't shit to my girl

Change my mind

 

[T25]

Treatment of Elizabeth is worse because she is featless except the induras thing

No. Treatment is worse because of facts and opinions. Your dislikes and your likes. Your reason and your emotion. Your knowledge and your ignorance.
The following goes for just about everything: to see one thing is to have reason to question two more. You saw that mael was able to control, to some degree, three commandments. So you wonder why is this significant and what can it mean? It is significant because of the rejective nature and degree of power involved. It may mean that maels power and fortitude is to such a degree that he can do what a vast majority cannot. Right?

Well then, take that to Eli. Eli taught dolor and gloxinia a spell that enables a person to be sent back in time, capable of interacting with the world of the past. What is the significance and what can it mean? It’s significance is in its ability to manipulate time to a degree or at least time pertaining to memory. It may mean that Eli has an arsenal of abilities and magical skill that we are yet unaware of to a degree we are unaware of.

As for indura, of the few things you can question I will use her wings for this. Eli displayed eight wings. The significance of this is in the size and number as it was revealed that a gc members rank and power can be determined to some degree by the size and number of their wings, of which Eli displayed eight. All eight of which were nearly full sized. Despite the fact that they were intangible, it was an unprecedented display of size and quantity second only to the SD. It may mean something pertaining to the degree of her power. It may foreshadow a future development just as the four wings that appeared on Eli at the climax of the battle against hendrickson turned out to be a foreshadow to the four wings she had possessed in reality, as revealed nearly 100 chapters later.

That one “feat” that you discredit and choose to strip of value or think isn’t enough may turn out to be something you could have used to connect to future events.

....I write too much huh?

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Elizabeth is the only Goddess who's top tier on her own strength and coincidentally her power isn't fully explored yet, so maybe she's the second strongest Goddess?

THIS !!
This, Ladies & Gentlemen, is what I'm trying to explain all over those past weeks.
As long as Lady Elizabeth, who's claimed to be Meliodas tier without any Grace & outside help, exist, Mael of the 4 AA can't be the 2nd to the SD
Mael is, indeed, the strongest "Archangel" but the strongest "Goddess" should be Lady Elizabeth.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

THIS !!
This, Ladies & Gentlemen, is what I'm trying to explain all over those past weeks.
As long as Lady Elizabeth, who's claimed to be Meliodas tier without any Grace & outside help, exist, Mael of the 4 AA can't be the 2nd to the SD
Mael is, indeed, the strongest "Archangel" but the strongest "Goddess" should be Lady Elizabeth.

You really have hopes for her *sigh*

 

[sobreno]

THIS !!
This, Ladies & Gentlemen, is what I'm trying to explain all over those past weeks.
As long as Lady Elizabeth, who's claimed to be Meliodas tier without any Grace & outside help, exist, Mael of the 4 AA can't be the 2nd to the SD
Mael is, indeed, the strongest "Archangel" but the strongest "Goddess" should be Lady Elizabeth.

Lol, not even close, but nice wank.