Fantasy Erza and Mirajane vs Laxus

[Goku solos]

Laxus one shots both

 

[Darklord#10]

Laxus one shots both

Lmao. This actually made me laugh. The duo takes this. Or laxus extreme diff. It could end up like the whole laxus vs kyria and laxus vs Erza situation. Laxus makes quick work of Mira and proceeds to extreme diff Erza. I don't really care about portrayals anymore fuck that BS feats are what matters

 

[Garmadooon]

The power scaling is a fucking mess honestly I don't blame anyone for voting for one or the other.

2 scenarios:

- Laxus goes into red lightning dragon king and One shot Mira and extreme diff Erza.

- Erza protects Mira with her enchanted swords to negate attacks and together they can spam attacks against him.

But it's not bullshit like "Luxus one-shots both" or "Girls stomp".

 

[Goku solos]

Lmao. This actually made me laugh. The duo takes this. Or laxus extreme diff. It could end up like the whole laxus vs kyria and laxus vs Erza situation. Laxus makes quick work of Mira and proceeds to extreme diff Erza. I don't really care about portrayals anymore fuck that BS feats are what matters

Current Laxus is far far far above what he was against Erza before.
Current Laxus>>>FP Kirin>>>little serious Kirin>>>RDLM Laxus.
It also stated by Laxus himsef that he's stronger than what he was now.
Laxus one shots Erza as he did with Kirin, and Mira is pure trash.

 

[AmitDS]

Majority of Skullion vs Mirajane was off panel. What was on panel was BSS couldn't do anything to Skullion then the fight went off panel and when it came back she was able to damage him unexplained. We don't know if she in her other forms would have faired better.

1) Laxus doesn't have intangibility like Skullion did so the same type match up wouldn't apply.
2) If she damaged Skullion in her weakest form then she can logically damage him more in her stronger ones.

Mashima holding off on having her go all out in her first encounter doesn't speak to much when he made Erza, Gray etc. lose. Only Laxus didn't get that treatment.

We do know however she needed Algeria to take out Irene subordinates enchantment while Erza was able to destroy a higher enchant with her red pants sword and that same sword was something Kyria easily destroyed. So we can rank Kyria to Algeria at minimum and we can rank Skullion to Kyria. Unless you think Algeria is stronger than red pants Erza.

Are you actually implying that Kyria > Alegria Mirajane? Lol that's a reach. Face it. Erza destroying that meteor was a POF feat and does not scale Kyria to that level. Without POF red pants Erza with Benizakura would not be as strong as current Alegria. The fact that BSS can stalemate Skullion while red pants Erza + benizakura was outmatched by Kyria without POF being used, is proof enough.

If star dress mix Lucy can fight Kyria then surely BSS Mira can.

Either way though Mirajane struggled with Skullion and admitted she didn't know if she could win for sure while Laxus one shot Skullion and Madmole.

And either way Halphas can low diff BSS and that's her 2nd weakest form. Laxus is not low diffing Mira in her stronger forms even if he low diffs her in BSS.

 

[FireIce]

The fact that BSS can stalemate Skullion while red pants Erza + benizakura was outmatched by Kyria without POF being used, is proof enough.

Mirajane stalemated Skullion and admitted she wasn't sure if she would have won that battle.

Erza started dominating Kyria when she pulled out her Belserion sword. She later fought Laxus to a draw, and Laxus low-diffed Kyria.

 

[AmitDS]

Mirajane stalemated Skullion and admitted she wasn't sure if she would have won that battle.

Yeah the battle in which she only used her weakest form. Erza was shocked that Laxus beat Kyria and said she was strong. Mira also thought it took her and Erza together to fight Jura who was Laxus and Jellal's tier. Mira didn't go into a stronger form that the one that tied with Skullion for whatever reason.

Erza started dominating Kyria when she pulled out her Belserion sword. She later fought Laxus to a draw, and Laxus low-diffed Kyria.

Yeah Belserion, her new power up after her benizakura was broken which is what she used vs Irene. Then she has to use new power ups to fight Laxus.
Red pants Erza was outmatched by Kyria in their skirmish without POF and BSS Mira tied with Skullion who is at least equal to Kyria in raw power.

So you saying that Kyria = Alegria when she was beaten by Lucy is ridiculous. Lucy herself stated that star dress mix spells are on Kyria's tier and Mira tanked one in BSS and then amazed Lucy and Gray with BSS handling Aldoron's monsters.

So really BSS Mira outperformed Red pants Erza + Benizakura in 100 years quest so nothing indicates that Mira would be low diff material for Laxus in even her 2nd weakest form which is canonically capable of low diffing BSS and likely capable of beating 2 BSS Mira's at once.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Yeah the battle in which she only used her weakest form. Erza was shocked that Laxus beat Kyria and said she was strong. Mira also thought it took her and Erza together to fight Jura who was Laxus and Jellal's tier. Mira didn't go into a stronger form that the one that tied with Skullion for whatever reason.


Yeah Belserion, her new power up after her benizakura was broken which is what she used vs Irene. Then she has to use new power ups to fight Laxus.
Red pants Erza was outmatched by Kyria in their skirmish without POF and BSS Mira tied with Skullion who is at least equal to Kyria in raw power.

So you saying that Kyria = Alegria when she was beaten by Lucy is ridiculous. Lucy herself stated that star dress mix spells are on Kyria's tier and Mira tanked one in BSS and then amazed Lucy and Gray with BSS handling Aldoron's monsters.

So really BSS Mira outperformed Red pants Erza + Benizakura in 100 years quest so nothing indicates that Mira would be low diff material for Laxus in even her 2nd weakest form which is canonically capable of low diffing BSS and likely capable of beating 2 BSS Mira's at once.

The issue you are having with Mirajane is that you are using a fight that was off panel so we don't really know what forms was or wasn't used especially when it was made clear on screen that Mirajane BSS attacks had no effect on Skullion and even with Elfman his lion form was no match for Madmole on screen that simply punching Madmole was too much for him and reverting him back. Then the fight went off panel and when we came back Mirajane and Elfman was somehow able to damage Madmole and Skullion of which neither was explained. Unless Hiro retcon BSS being able to damager Skullion we can assume she used something different. Either way though the fight was filled with PIS and CIS.

Also why bring up Lucy when Kyria was able to overpower Lion Maiden easily where it gave Mirajane minor bruises. So this doesn't make Kyria and Mirajane equal. Each Stardress and Stardress mix holds its own level of power. They aren't all equal.

Add in yes you can't say Algeria is stronger than Kyria when we have a legit comparison of Mirajane needing Algeria to take out Irene sword enchantments while Erza was able to use her Red pants sword to take out an Enchantment that was described far superior. Then we have Kyria causally destroy that same sword and contend with a stronger sword and take an attack from it without being knocked out. So there is no reason to rank Mirajane above Kyria when she has better feats than Mirajane simply because you find Mirajane to be your favorite.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Erza and Mira low-mid diff if she isn't nerfed. Erza alone can tie with laxus adding mirajane will make it way easier. Mirajane did stalemate skullion and Laxus no diff skullion and Madmole combined however they're fight was offscreen. If Mirajane and Skullion was an actual fight Mashima would write her oneshotting him using her stronger forms like most of some her fights. If gray and skullion were to fight again gray would 100% win. And Mira is stronger than Gray and Gajeel maybe even Jellal by Natsu statements. Laxus and Erza are stronger than Mira no doubt however she is above Gajeel/ Gray level. So she isn't as weak as some people make her out to be.

 

[FireIce]

Yeah the battle in which she only used her weakest form. Erza was shocked that Laxus beat Kyria and said she was strong. Mira also thought it took her and Erza together to fight Jura who was Laxus and Jellal's tier. Mira didn't go into a stronger form that the one that tied with Skullion for whatever reason.

It doesn't matter whether she used her weakest form or not. Mirajane fought Skullion and Madmole for 10 chapters and in the end, admitted she could not defeat them despite Elfman's fighting alongside her. She also stated she was unsure if she could win if they had continued fighting. Laxus no diffed Skullion and Madmole a chapter after he entered the labyrinth. He may not even have used red lightning. Portrayal is clear. Laxus would demolish Mirajane and her siblings.

Yeah Belserion, her new power up after her benizakura was broken which is what she used vs Irene. Then she has to use new power ups to fight Laxus.
Red pants Erza was outmatched by Kyria in their skirmish without POF and BSS Mira tied with Skullion who is at least equal to Kyria in raw power.

So you saying that Kyria = Alegria when she was beaten by Lucy is ridiculous. Lucy herself stated that star dress mix spells are on Kyria's tier and Mira tanked one in BSS and then amazed Lucy and Gray with BSS handling Aldoron's monsters.

So really BSS Mira outperformed Red pants Erza + Benizakura in 100 years quest so nothing indicates that Mira would be low diff material for Laxus in even her 2nd weakest form which is canonically capable of low diffing BSS and likely capable of beating 2 BSS Mira's at once.

Mirajane did not do better against Skullion than Erza did against Kyria. Mirajane can't beat Skullion after 10 chapters. Erza dominated Kyria the moment she pulled out her Belserion sword.

I never said Kyria was equal to Alegria. Star Dress Mix is not on Kyria's level. She casually sliced it like it was nothing. Being amazed by someone's strength is not really an argument. Even though I believe Mira > Gray and Lucy.

Laxus did worse to Skullion and Madmole than Halphas did to Satan Soul alone. Mirajane's showings have never suggested that she's on Laxus' level even with her best takeovers.

 

[AmitDS]

The issue you are having with Mirajane is that you are using a fight that was off panel so we don't really know what forms was or wasn't used especially when it was made clear on screen that Mirajane BSS attacks had no effect on Skullion and even with Elfman his lion form was no match for Madmole on screen that simply punching Madmole was too much for him and reverting him back. Then the fight went off panel and when we came back Mirajane and Elfman was somehow able to damage Madmole and Skullion of which neither was explained. Unless Hiro retcon BSS being able to damager Skullion we can assume she used something different. Either way though the fight was filled with PIS and CIS.

All instances we saw from that fight, she was in BSS. Also the fight ended with her in BSS. It's not an issue to use an off panel fight because the fight still happened, we saw glimpses and the characters commented on it. Neither side thought they could surely win the way it was going at the time. It's a headcanon that Mira's stronger forms were used that still stalemated by Skullion.

Also why bring up Lucy when Kyria was able to overpower Lion Maiden easily where it gave Mirajane minor bruises. So this doesn't make Kyria and Mirajane equal. Each Stardress and Stardress mix holds its own level of power. They aren't all equal.

Why would I not bring up Lucy though when you're trying to say Kyria = Alegria.
Oh and nice try.

"Kyria was able to overpower Lion Maiden easily where it gave Mirajane minor bruises..."
Um Kyria sliced it to avoid getting hit. Mirajane tanked it in BSS. Not the same.

The fact that Kyria lost to Lucy and Mirajane is someone Lucy wanks, is scared of and knows is stronger than her is telling. Kyria is no way comparable to Alegria which could possibly low diff people like Gray, Gajeel, Lucy etc.

Add in yes you can't say Algeria is stronger than Kyria when we have a legit comparison of Mirajane needing Algeria to take out Irene sword enchantments while Erza was able to use her Red pants sword to take out an Enchantment that was described far superior. Then we have Kyria causally destroy that same sword and contend with a stronger sword and take an attack from it without being knocked out. So there is no reason to rank Mirajane above Kyria when she has better feats than Mirajane simply because you find Mirajane to be your favorite.

@Bold are you serious? Um yes I can say that Alegria is stronger than Kyria because Kyria lost to Lucy using a star dress mix spell and Mirajane's weaker BSS was stronger than Gray and on par with Skullion in their fight. Skullion who is at least on par with Kyria and quite possibly stronger.

If BSS = Skullion when they fought then Halphas and anything stronger is > Kyria, Skullion and Madmole.

And please stop pretending that Erza who had POF against Irene is the same Erza whose sword was broken by Kyria.

It doesn't matter whether she used her weakest form or not. Mirajane fought Skullion and Madmole for 10 chapters and in the end, admitted she could not defeat them despite Elfman's fighting alongside her. She also stated she was unsure if she could win if they had continued fighting. Laxus no diffed Skullion and Madmole a chapter after he entered the labyrinth. He may not even have used red lightning. Portrayal is clear. Laxus would demolish Mirajane and her siblings.

And Erza had to use a new power up to fight Kyria when Kyria broke benizakura. Erza then went on to tie with Laxus. Mirajane used her basic satan sould to tie with Skullion. Mirajane in canon has stronger forms that would low diff her weakest form and have low diffed them.

Lol Laxus is not low diffing Mirajane even if he can low diff BSS Mirajane.

Mirajane did not do better against Skullion than Erza did against Kyria. Mirajane can't beat Skullion after 10 chapters. Erza dominated Kyria the moment she pulled out her Belserion sword.

I said Mirajane's BSS did better against Skullion than Erza + Benizakura did against Kyria which is a fact. Kyria broke benizakura. I didn't see Skullion knock Mirajane out of BSS though. And yes belserion, a new power up was used.

And Skullion is likely stronger than Kyria and Madmole since he seems to be their leader since he didn't need hax to beat Gray, tie with BSS and then lose to Laxus while Kyria was defeated by Lucy and Madmole tied with Elfman.

I never said Kyria was equal to Alegria. Star Dress Mix is not on Kyria's level. She casually sliced it like it was nothing. Being amazed by someone's strength is not really an argument. Even though I believe Mira > Gray and Lucy.

Kyria sliced it due to her hax cutting magic which is why Lucy had to distract her and then beat her with the power of other star dress mix spells. Lucy is quite intelligent so her surmising that Kyria's powers are on the level of star dress mix spells aren't farfetched.

Laxus did worse to Skullion and Madmole than Halphas did to Satan Soul alone. Mirajane's showings have never suggested that she's on Laxus' level even with her best takeovers.

I never said she's on his level. I said she is not being low diffed in a fight which is what people are saying

Lol that's nice but Halphas is her 2nd weakest form. So it hardly proves that Laxus is low diffing Mirajane.

Also authorial intent. Mashima is not having Laxus (who warned Jellal about Mirajane); Mirajane who is someone who scared Lucy/Gray and has Natsu praising her as the strongest with Jellal and Laxus be low diff material for Laxus himself.

 

[Jko]

The girls mid diff. Erza alone is already equivalent. Adding another combatant only makes this far easier for Erza to win.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 25, 2023, Original Post Date: Jun 25, 2023 ---

Kyria sliced through Lion's Maiden while Mira straight up no sold it. There's massive difference in canceling out an attack and tanking it lmao.

 

[Ratrace]

feats are what matters

It also depends on how good the feats are as well because if Hiro gives one of his characters feats that don’t tell us anything like defeat some random enemy we know nothing about what good is it

 

[Darklord#10]

It also depends on how good the feats are as well because if Hiro gives one of his characters feats that don’t tell us anything like defeat some random enemy we know nothing about what good is it

I don't understand what you mean?

 

[Ratrace]

I don't understand what you mean?

Most feats don’t matter

 

[Darklord#10]

Most feats don’t matter

Why? From my perspective feats are the only thing mashima can't retcon. Feats don't NECESSARILY MATTER in guild battles I would admit that unfortunately. That's why gray can't beat an already beat up Mira. That's why natsu didn't use fdk on gajeel and that's most likely why laxus would lose this battle.
But when we aren't debating guild fights that's completely different entirely feats outweighs whatever statements that has been made. Just look at suzaku and the ddsk, you should understand what I mean by this

 

[Garmadooon]

That's why gray can't beat an already beat up Mira.

... He literally beat her offscreen even though he struggled.
And what do you mean by mentioning the DDSK?

 

[Darklord#10]

... He literally beat her offscreen even though he struggled.
And what do you mean by mentioning the DDSK?

He beat an already beat up Mira. According to him a healthy Mira is unbeatable. The guy literally wanking her throughout Aldoron arc alongside laxus

Spoiler

Suzaku has the statements of being among the strongest humans and being stronger than human selene he also has the feats to back it up as we've seen that he can tank casual human Dg attacks even if he's complete fodder to them. He can also survive getting stomped on by dogramag. So suzaku has statements that's backed up by feats



Kirin has statements for being the strongest, why his feats don't really measure up to suzaku we've seen how he casually swatted laxus in a one sided beat down in fact him powering up against laxus reminded laxus of the strength gap between him and gildarts(I don't really think he's gildarts level but let's just go with that)



Misaki, has statements of being gildarts level MP but she has zilch feats to back this up. Why? We already saw what laxus vs gildarts looked like(kirin vs laxus). Erza can't be above laxus cuz we've seen Erza vs laxus and it was a tie. So something is wrong here. Now imo I'm willing to give misaki benefits of doubt and maybe say she's as strong as laxus at best red lightning laxus if I'm pushing it maybe relative to a casual suzaku but that's about it.



Haku....lol I don't really need to talk about him. He's strong tho I'll admit that stronger than the dragon eaters but he has zero feats that suggest he's on suzaku's level

Feats don't really need statement to back it up but statements need feats to be accepted. I mean look at jellal for example he has portrayals and statements but there's no single feat that suggest this except his acnologia stuff and him no selling kyria's roar. Jellal has statements but most of his feats aren't something we can take seriously hence why people think he loses to laxus and erza even though he's been portrayed on their level

 

[Garmadooon]

He beat an already beat up Mira. According to him a healthy Mira is unbeatable. The guy literally wanking her throughout Aldoron arc alongside laxus

Spoiler

Suzaku has the statements of being among the strongest humans and being stronger than human selene he also has the feats to back it up as we've seen that he can tank casual human Dg attacks even if he's complete fodder to them. He can also survive getting stomped on by dogramag. So suzaku has statements that's backed up by feats



Kirin has statements for being the strongest, why his feats don't really measure up to suzaku we've seen how he casually swatted laxus in a one sided beat down in fact him powering up against laxus reminded laxus of the strength gap between him and gildarts(I don't really think he's gildarts level but let's just go with that)



Misaki, has statements of being gildarts level MP but she has zilch feats to back this up. Why? We already saw what laxus vs gildarts looked like(kirin vs laxus). Erza can't be above laxus cuz we've seen Erza vs laxus and it was a tie. So something is wrong here. Now imo I'm willing to give misaki benefits of doubt and maybe say she's as strong as laxus at best red lightning laxus if I'm pushing it maybe relative to a casual suzaku but that's about it.



Haku....lol I don't really need to talk about him. He's strong tho I'll admit that stronger than the dragon eaters but he has zero feats that suggest he's on suzaku's level

Feats don't really need statement to back it up but statements need feats to be accepted. I mean look at jellal for example he has portrayals and statements but there's no single feat that suggest this except his acnologia stuff and him no selling kyria's roar. Jellal has statements but most of his feats aren't something we can take seriously hence why people think he loses to laxus and erza even though he's been portrayed on their level

Dude you have to understand that if people take feats above statements it's because the author doesn't respect this portrayal. The same "statements" maintain that Gray is Natsu's rival. And yet all the sequel contradicted him, Gray is not even at the Base Natsu level anymore. This is where you have to stop taking statements seriously. Like all those Gildarts level opponents who pop out of nowhere to get caught in 2-3 shots.

 

[Darklord#10]

Dude you have to understand that if people take feats above statements it's because the author doesn't respect this portrayal. The same "statements" maintain that Gray is Natsu's rival. And yet all the sequel contradicted him, Gray is not even at the Base Natsu level anymore. This is where you have to stop taking statements seriously. Like all those Gildarts level opponents who pop out of nowhere to get caught in 2-3 shots.

But I'm one of the people who don't take feats and statements seriously in fairy tail. All I'm saying is for a series like fairy tail feats is the end all be all. Feats don't need statement for support but statements needs feats to back it up that's what I mean. I tried to explain this using the ddsk as an example. Even if I don't believe that they're strong as gildarts I used it because it's essential to explain the point I'm trying to make.