From Anhkseram himself. I already said that.
So energy is not conserved.
Tempesta is one of the higher-tier Demons besides Silver, who doesn't really count as he is not a demon, and Kyōka. When did I deny that Gray without Slayer Advantage is equal to LFD Natsu?
High tier: Kyoka, Silver
Mid tier: Torafusa, Tempesta, Seilah
Low tier: rest of 9DG
When you said Gray (w/o advantage) was equal to DF Natsu.
Exactly, Laxus didn't show up. So it is unknown whether he trained. Meanwhile, Erza showed up and didn't seem like she trained that much.
Fighting fodders doesn't improve combat strength but using your magic still does. Besides, the fact Chelia and Wendy fought the before, we don't know whether they were the same ones or even stronger ones. It doesn't matter because they were still active and did something.
/facepalm
This is Fairy Tail. The essence of this series is literally about magic. Do you know why Edolas was in such a dilemma? Because they're magic was removed. They all still had physical strength. Did it matter? No, they're useless without magic as they can't do anything. I've stated my case. MP pretty much defines the strength of each individual in Fairy Tail.
I have provided a counter example.
I did read your list. My bad that you expect me to be able to somehow figure out an unclear list. Okay, so you rank Dimaria above Bluenote and Ajeel above Bluenote. It still doesn't prove anything about Ajeel and Dimaria. Using Base Wendy and Chelia is not reliable evidence especially since they never fought Ajeel.
You literally just had to count the number of '>'s. Ajeel would perform better than Dimaria against Wendy/Chelia.
Okay... Erza being fast is still not instantaneous so Ajeel had some time to be able to compose himself. He obviously was critically injured...
So what, that means Erza has high attack power.
Overpowering doesn't mean anything. Defeating your opponent is what counts as there are many fights in Fairy Tail in which one was overwhelmed but ended up winning. If you count overwhelmed as weaker than Fairy Tail would be weaker than most enemies they've fought so far...
It does when Gray fell over immediately afterwards even with Ur's interference.
What? In that comparison, I clearly stated Zancrow in both sentences. I didn't even mention any of the other 7 Kin of Purgatory. Plus, I never said that "No Chance" is "No Difficulty". That only applies to Zancrow. Yes, he beats Yomazu with No Difficulty. Kain and Meredy? No, although it won't be a no difficulty fight, they still beat him fairly easily despite the fact that Yomazu still has no chance against them.
Yomazu's statement does not mention Zancrow. Hence, it applies to all of the 7 Kin including Kain and Meredy.
According to you, Torafusa is ahead by 400 points. Not me.
Cutting a stat just because you don't like it makes your rankings suspect.
When did I dispute that? I only disagreed when you said Freed is on par with Natsu, if not stronger. Mirajane is very strong and shouldn't be lumped into the same category as Freed. Mirajane is not an S-Class for nothing. Meanwhile, what is Freed? Laxus' guard?
Read your own previous posts.
You really think Erza could have killed Natsu in that panel? Or was it just for jokes? Just like Laxus destroying Natsu in one-hit. Was that comedy? Yes. In a real battle, Natsu wouldn't lose like that. Imagine if Lucy is held captive by Erza or Laxus. Would Natsu get one-shotted? Or would he fight to his death and manage to win? You have to know differences between fights. Franmalth was obviously a fight that the intent was to kill. Nothing funny there. Of course there is always comic/drama relief. That is different from a comedic fight. Gildarts may be the only one who could even come close to one-shotting Natsu. Nobody else.
100% Erza one-shots 100% Natsu. Full power Laxus one-shots full power Natsu. Once again you cherry-pick fights as "comedic".
Natsu still had injuries on him while Erza's was not visible. Considering that Aria made a cheap move on Makarov and never got hit afterwards, I can see him having low defense and being more like an assassin-type.
Please tell me this is a joke.
Just because Erza Scarlet and Erza Knightwalker are somewhat equal in strength, it doesn't mean Natsu is the same as his Edolas counterpart. In Edolas, they use weapons and each weapon has different amount of magic power. The one that Knightwalker used was comparable to Erza's MP which is why they were quite even. On the other hand, Natsu Dragion's weapon was weak. Natsu Dragneel definitely has more MP than that. Do you think Mystogan is on the same level as Jellal?
Edolas Erza = Erza in Edolas arc. Edolas Natsu = Natsu in Edolas arc. In Edolas arc, Erza one-shots Natsu.
Natsu still defeated Cobra. It doesn't matter about what happened in between. Even if Natsu was about to die from Cobra and his poison, Natsu still defeated Cobra in a one on one match. You can say Natsu had two extremely lucky breaks, I don't care. But Racer blitzing Natsu into unconsciousness doesn't count. Everyone was unconscious at the end which is why Oración Seis escaped.
Natsu didn't even come close to incapacitating Cobra,
Brain did. Let alone defeat him in a "one on one match". Natsu was literally lying on the ground dying, unable to do anything while Cobra was about to kill him. And lol at not counting Natsu vs Racer because it doesn't support your argument.
So is DF Natsu in Tower of Heaven Arc his prime? After all, that was Natsu's strongest form at the time.
No, because Alvarez Natsu is stronger.
Watch the anime. Or, better yet, look at the context of it in the manga. You need to get your humor straight. Either you have a dry sense of humor and you just don't know what comedy is. I totally acknowledged Orga losing that fight. In fact, it would be Easy-Medium Difficulty if it was a full on fight... But a head to the head and Orga is down? Please, that is absurd considering his feats of him overpowering his opponents and his MPF score compared to Jura's. Hiro Mashima most likely used that scene to speed things up. In a physical fight, Orga wouldn't lose that easily. In a fight with magic, Jura would probably destroy Orga with minimum difficulty if he went all out from the beginning. This fight is very similar to Laxus destroying Natsu and Gajeel running away due to fear.
This is you saying that you didn't like how that fight turned out. Sucks to be you.
No, because the other fights were realistic and legitimate. Some of them even lost. While Erza is strong, one cannot deny that taking out two opponents who are arguably the strongest of their guild has to have some PoF, Nakama Power, or Plot-Induced Feats incorporated into their matches.
Has to have "POF" or Plot? So basically you don't like how GMG turned out because it doesn't support your incorrect power rankings.
No feats? TO Chelia utterly destroyed Dimaria. That is why we don't see Dimaria up and running. To evaluate how Dimaria fared against Base Wendy/Chelia is just you denying it.
Dimaria has no good feats.
Because she wanted to play around with them before then? It was obvious. Dimaria only became serious when she was about to one-shot Wendy but Ultear interfered. I don't see how this is hard to understand.
So you're saying that Dimaria became less serious after Ultear made her mad. Sounds
legit.
I never said Dimaria could one-shot Chelia and Wendy with her sword aIone... Every single time I said that Dimaria could one-shot or slice Wendy and Chelia in half, I was talking about
Time Magic. I even stated it. Why was I talking about
Time Magic when it was restricted in this fight? Because you started it. Here is how it came about:
- You started talking about how Erza beats Chelia with more ease than Dimaria.
- I said that Erza would have a similar fate against Dimaria if she was against TO Chelia.
- You stated that Erza's sword strikes would have more affect on Base Wendy/Chelia than Dimaria's sword strikes did.
- I countered by saying that Dimaria never used sword strikes on them in Base Form except the scene with Time Magic.
- From then on, we were talking about two separate topics.
- You kept asking why Dimaria couldn't one-shot Wendy/Chelia and why she used God Soul.
- I said because of Ultear and her Time Magic.
- Apparently, according to you, at some point, you began talking about without Time Magic.
- Meanwhile, I said Dimaria could defeat Wendy/Chelia with Time Magic but resorted to God Soul because Ultear nullified it.
- I guess you took that as me saying that Dimaria one-shots them without Time Magic...
Anyways, I'll explain what I mean.
Dimaria needed to use God Soul to defeat Wendy and Chelia. I never denied that. That is her only other magic besides
Time Magic which was nullified. Therefore, her sword is pretty much useless without
Time Magic. The only time I said Dimaria could kill them with a sword easily was with
Time Magic.
Alright, so you concede Dimaria < Ajeel in CQC. As I've already stated, bringing up Dimaria with Age Seal is stupid when Age Seal is RESTRICTED. If Dimaria cannot one-shot base Wendy/Chelia without Age Seal, then Dimaria < Ajeel in physical stats.
Now, with God Soul, how would Dimaria fare against Base Wendy/Chelia? She would defeat them very easily. Why didn't she? Because Ultear made a deal and was about to give Wendy or Chelia Third Origin. Afterwards, Wendy immediately went Dragon Force to stall time, thinking that she'd get the Third Origin. Apparently, she ended up losing still while Chelia saves her because she was the one who actually got Third Origin.
Ajeel no diffs base Wendy/Chelia without Sand World. So Ajeel > Dimaria (w/o Age Seal).
Then take this as your win.
I never stopped you. I just disagree with you. If all you want is to win this argument, then you win. But don't start asking me to concede. I'm here to correct your posts and to defend myself from people twisting my words like what you are doing. There are some things that are subjective like this battle but others are very obvious and cannot be denied because they were already proven. By denying it, you're just giving false information and using it for your own benefit.
Great, I'm glad we can agree. Erza > Dimaria (no Age Seal) mid diff.
