Oh shit, I wasn't expecting to have a wall of text as a response
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Well the topic includes Elizabeth... silly you for thinking I'd write just a small paragraph
Yeah, it was Monspeet who oneshoted Sar and Tar, and Derieri who was overwhelming Ludo. I already knew that, just that my comment wasn't as specific as yours.
I just like the specifics
About Ludo, to me it looked like he was barely using Flash during his battle against the Induras (the only time he probably used it was when he dodged Derieri's attack I believe). I think if he had used Flash in its full potential to attack them (not just simple Ark like he did) he would have done it far better than what he did. If we go by physics the force of something is the product of their mass and acceleration (this last parameter should be far higher with Flash active?).
Okay, let's assume Ludoshel wasn't using ''Flash'' to its full extent, how does that change the outcome of the battle? Even if Ludoshel could use Flash at a higher level and become fast enough to outmanoeuvre Indura, how does he win against them? Speed alone is not enough for an individual to win a battle, especially if he or her has no means of harming the enemy, which was specified clearly through Ludoshel's ark being unable to harm a Phase 1 Indura.
Unless ''Flash'' possesses an offensive element to its power that Ludoshel can access and isn't simply just speed, leaves me to conclude that unless new information is revealed, Ludoshel is unable to face the Indura. Because, simply Ludoshel's magic is ineffective, so are his physical attacks and his blessing doesn't enhance his offensive power, it simply boosts his speed massively.
Now, Ludoshel could probably definitely use his superior speed to recover his fallen archangels and retreat to safety, but do you see Ludoshel, the renowned ''Leader of the Four Archangels'' and greatest hunter in the Goddess Clan with a tendency to be racist, retreat from a demon in battle? Absolutely not, I'd assume he would rather die than retreat from demons due to weakness.
As for the physics or force of ''Flash'', I'm not a student in this area so I surely don't have the answer to estimate the effectiveness of such phenomenon, but as this is a manga and physics has yet to be an important part of fights, I believe it shouldn't be counted heavily.
Your idea of the Goddess version of "Indura" looks dope and it would be nice if the AA had something like that to made the statement about the "balance" more realist.
What makes you say that Ludo doesn't have the means to counter Indura?
How can he defeat Indura in battle when he is unable to:
Physically harm them.
Magically harm them.
Or use his blessing to harm them?
Nothing in his arsenal can actually kill or wound the Indura's and this was in Phase 1, hence my statement of him not being able to counter them.
He could very well have the purification skill that Eli used but simply choose not to use it.
I don't believe it.
For one, Elizabeth's speciality and superior power in ''ark'' allows her to already have more diversity and strength in her magic in comparison to Ludoshel, but ''Let There Be Light'' itself is an ability names in specific reference to God (i.e The Supreme Deity) which only strengthens its exclusiveness to Elizabeth considering she is the daughter of God, especially when in the same chapter Ludoshel commented on how her mother was going to punish her for saving the commandments.
I'm going to assume until seen, that Ludoshel doesn't have access to this spell and even if he did, it would still be ineffective considering his magic was not powerful enough to hurt the Indura, thus the purification would've failed straight away in the same manner.
I remember him saying that those Beasts were not worth to purify so he probably was too prideful to use that technique.
He simply said that the Indura were not deserving of Elizabeth's ''salvation'' and that she is making a mistake in saving such individuals considering eliminating them would only benefit Stigma and bring the war closer to its end.
Even if Ludoshel could purify, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't use it instead of offensive ark on a demon, especially when he's a racist and wants them all dead. Why have powerful purification spells if you never use them?
But yeah, Eli seems to be all about magic when it comes to fight so her magic power is most likely above Ludo, thing that allows her to affect the Induras at a better degree (I can agree with that).
Elizabeth's magic is definitely superior to Ludoshel's given her ''ark'' is much more flexible and powerful. By feats, Elizabeth has done greater achievements in magic to Ludoshel. She's harmed more powerful demons, healed at a higher degree, cleansed and purified at a immense rate and can even summon a biblical whale for multiple purposes.
Elizabeth & Ludoshel are definitely comparable in PL to each other, but they both specialise in different expertise and abilities, allowing each of them to perform better in different areas of combat. Physically fighting opponents? Ludoshel has the edge. Magically fighting opponents? Elizabeth has the edge. Simply, Elizabeth just had the better tools for the battle, given Ludoshel's other strengths (i.e blessing + physical power) were ineffective.
Though, in my opinion Elizabeth's magic is most likely the entirety of her PL since its insanely strong, which allows her to bypass a lot of obstacles that other fighters might have due to weaker magic, but since she's frail and more fragile, she's essentially a glass cannon, albeit a very powerful one.
Yeah, but he was refering to Monspeet and Derieri's darkness. The darkness of the Highest Ranked Demons should be way stronger, hence my assumption that they could have more phases. But yeah, until is proven otherwise the Induras have two phases (the child one and the adult one, lol).
I'm just saying that the Phases should be the same, but the power for each user would differ.
May all I also add, depending on the user the stats of a person may be boosted differently.. so for Derriere or Monspiet, as they are physical & magical fighters respectively, they would have more power enhanced in their speciality instead of a straight up generic number to all stats.
It's why I believe Monspiet's form seemed more suitable for magic power, given his frail and multiple arms (i.e throwing hellblaze) in comparison to Derriere's massive claw which seems to be used to smash enemies.
His magic was definitely being overwhelmed but his grace wasn't since like I said he barely used it.
Still, speed only goes so far if you're unable to harm an opponent.
In my opinion:
Derieri and Monspeet: 195.000-215.000
Chandler: 300.000-320.000
Cusack: 295.000-315.000
Zeldris: 350.000-375.000
Meliodas: 400.000+
You're probably wondering right now: why did I put Zeldris ' Indura form above Chandler and Cusack's, despite the last two having a higher PL than Zeldris (going by the last chapter)? Well, since Mel and Zel are sons of a God they should have more potential than anyone else in the clan so I believe that their Indura forms should be stronger. In the image that I posted, you can see some facial characteristics in Chandler and Cusack's Indura forms, but with the Induras of the demon princes we only see the shadows and that they're bigger than those of the Masters, as if Nakaba was trying to portray in that panel that the princes in Indura are above the Masters in Indura.
Most likely, since Meliodas & Zeldris are the direct flesh & blood of the Demon King, they probably have superior Indura forms to everyone in the clan because they are descendants of the strongest demon, meaning their true forms should be stronger yes?
If Elizabeth's ''Indura'' form was stronger than everyone else's it would make sense, considering she would be closer to God (SD) since she is her daughter.and thus would reach a higher order of angels, making her stronger.
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