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We don't know exactly what he did but the thing is that he bypassed Zel's borrowed DK magic, something that Ludo wasn't capable of doing. 2nd DM Mel clashed with Sun Mael at a certain point of the day and made him retreat. He's at least comparable to Sun Mael at a certain point of the day (who should be equal if not a little bit stronger than Ludo and Eli). I still don't see them being equal to a fully powered AM Mel unless Nakaba starts showing crazy feats from them.
Ludoshel got tossed around like a dog, his attacks weren't doing anything to the Indura, not even a scratch. How that makes him comparable to Prime Mel? Granted, we know that he wasn't going all out but I doubt he would have beaten them still, given how Eli, who is comparable to him as stated by Mael, couldn't do it.
All in all, Mel looks more impressive to me:
- Clashed with Sun Mael, making a Ying-Yang symbol, and made him retreat. This already shows that 2nd DM Prime Mel outside of AM is at the very least comparable to him at a certain point of the day. Sun Mael at the same time should be no weaker than Ludo and Eli (in fact, I'd argue that he is a little bit stronger given how he was still viewed as the hope of his clan and his "death" made the entire clan activate the seal).
- Casually bypassed Zel's borrowed DK magic, something that Ludo couldn't do. Casually blocked Zel's sword attacks with his bare hands, while he was also protecting Eli from Estarossa, the same swordsmanship that scratched Ludo in a nerfed human vessel.
- Zeldris, who was easily overwhelming Ludo with his OG magic said that Mel is too damn strong in his fight against Escanor, meaning that AM Mel is most likely above his little bro even with his OG Magic activated.
- Ludo in his OG Body already showed some signs of hesitation to fight him in his 2nd DM Holy War version.
The Goddesses' track record also doesn't help it. Ludo has been overwhelmed by Indura, Zel and Cusack, demons who should be still weaker than Prime Mel (at least Cusack and Zel, not sure about the Induras). All in all, until Ludo or Eli show more feats, I will hold firm in the belief that they're only comparable to 2nd DM Mel outside of AM and the only one who can equal him in that state or beat him is near noon to noon Mael (not taking into account the SD for obvious reasons, of course).
There's a little difference here. Nothing suggests that Mel got overpowered, in fact, if someone got overpowered in that clash (thing that I doubt, but you're the one who brought this point) was Mael, who retreated in his own domain.
I'm fully aware of what you're trying to say, but feat is feat nonetheless. You can't just say the feat is invalid just because the author likes Mel too much.
Ehhh, you misunderstood me I think. In this part of my argument I was refering to Prime Mel without his OG Magic, obviously the SD is far above him, which is why I said "outside of the SD". I still think the only one capable of equalling or defeating a fully powered AM Mel would be near noon to noon Mael. In the other hours of daytime they should be pretty much equal given the clash and the Ying-Yang symbol they formed.
Okay, if character A can destroy or inflict mortal injuries to character B, character A has also the same restrictions as character B and that character B admits that character A can fight him then that means that character A and character B must be comparable to each other. I don't know what is so hard to understand here. I'm not saying that they're equals, but comparable.
Chapter 247, page 5:
https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/247/5
Because Flash has been beyond disappointing so far? Zeldris could compete against it and surpass it with ON, and Cusack also competed and surpassed him. There's no reason to think that Prime Mel, who is clearly stronger than these two, is going to be blitzed by him, even if he is on his OG Body.
What do you mean that he isn't on AA level? AA level has different layers. Sariel and Tarmiel are on the low end and Mael, Ludo and Eli are on the high end. 2nd DM Holy War Mel is easily above Sar and Tar, since these two are confirmed to be around 90.000, and obviously Holy War Mel is far above that since Ludo was concerned about him and immediately called for their help.
Just because Eli apparently did just as well as Holy War Mel in resisting against the Gods, that doesn't prove she was stronger than him at that time, since we don't even know how the battle went on and if Eli was really tanking the attacks head on.
My point still stands. If durability was 100% related to strength, Gloxinia would have no durability at all, but that isn't the case since he still survived to a few punches of Mel.
Surely, because saying that the DK can stomp him when he literally said that he can fight him is way more correct, no?
We don't know if the DK had The Ruler deactived or not, specially when we know that he can turn it on or off in an instant. We also don't know if he was weakened from his 50% state or not. He has been eating the purgatory creatures for over a billion years, not to mention that he stole Ban's strength during 60 years. There's no reason to assume that he's clearly weakened as you're saying. I agree, though, that he was off-guard and overconfident since he didn't think Mel had the balls to use that magic, but still none of this proves he would stomp him in a fight, specially when he himself clearly said that Mel can fight him with this magic activated, so obviously "The Ruler will render Mel's OG Magic totally useless" is very, very debatable. He already bypassed Zel's borrowed version without using it. Granted, I know that the version Zel has is not comparable to the real deal, but what I'm trying to say is that Mel already has a track in bypassing The Ruler without OG magic, so you shouldn't take for 100% granted that the Ruler will render his OG magic totally useless.
It means, since the only two characters confirmed to have these kind of restrictions are the Gods themselves, so Mel having the same restrictions as them is a sign that he should be not far below their level. This is again reinforced when his father says he can fight him and that he has the capability to destroy his body.
The weakened and "The Ruler" deactivated Demon King is your own head cannon also. I already said that he can turn that ability on or off in an instant so him activating that ability before catching Mel with his hands is not out of the possibility. The DK also consumed the wild beasts of purgatory for more than a billion years. Those beasts are no fodder, since they were able to overpower for some time Ban and Emo Mel before the 60 years of fighting against the DK. Not to mention that he absorbed Ban's power for 60 years non-stop. So yeah, there's also no evidence to suggest as a fact that the DK was weakened.
And no, there is more evidence that suggest he is comparable to them. The first evidence is the DK himself stating that with this power he can fight him. The second one is that he was able to destroy the DK's arm in an instant, a feat that shows that he clearly can damage them and has the capability to destroy their bodies, as stated by the DK himself. The last one is that he can't stay into the Mortal Realm, just as them. The only thing that goes against all this is the argument that Mel needs all the commandments to be equal to his Father in order to break the curse, but that has many holes. The first one is that Mel is clearly afraid of using that OG magic, so he could very well not have taken that into account. The other one is that with 10C, he will be equal to his Father, but that still doesn't contradict what I said about him with the OG magic being comparable to them. Comparable doesn't mean equal, for all we know Mel could very well still be a little bit below (but still strong enough to fight them and not be fodderized) them, and that is the reason he cannot break the curse.
My point is very simple. When a character uses his magic or OG Magic he/she becomes exponentially stronger. Zeldris for example would have been fodderized in the first page by The One, but his Innate Magic ON, allowed him to stand his ground for some time, scratch him, repel some of his attacks and even push him back for some moments. I'm using Zel as an example, because his case is probably the one that is most similar to Mel, but literally this can be applied for everyone in the series to some extent.
Zel with OG Magic >>>>> Zel without OG magic.
Going with that route, Mel activating his OG magic should make him far stronger than he was before. He was already among the strongest mortals without it, so what will happen if he becomes exponentially stronger by activating this magic? It isn't delusional to think he would be comparable to them, IMO.
My point is that Mel with OG Magic is far stronger than without it, as showed when he literally destroyed the DK's arm in an instant, when seconds before he was hopeless against him.
It was just an hypothesis. The 10C argument doesn't mean he's far below their level with his OG magic. As I already said he's afraid for some reasons to use this magic so it's not silly to think that he isn't taking that into account when these claims are made, and even if he cannot break the curse with it (most likely will be case, IMO) that still doesn't mean he's far below them. To break the curse you need to be at least equal to them. I already said that just because he's comparable to them doesn't mean he's equal or stronger than them. He could very well still be a little bit below them to be unable to break the curse, but still be strong enough to fight against them and not be fodderized.
Most likely the only way on which he can break the curse is with the 10C, but that doesn't mean that he would be stomped with his OG Magic as I already said earlier. 10C and OG Magic are two completely different things.
It's not a pathetic argument, it's a fact in the manga that he didn't want to use this magic because he was afraid. We don't know why he's afraid, but calling it pathetic before even knowing why doesn't make you right. As I already said the 10C argument doesn't mean that he isn't even close to them, because:
1. He could very well have excluded his OG magic out of the equation. It's not silly to think this considering that he's afraid of it for some reasons.
2. Even if he can't break the curse with his OG Magic, that doesn't make him fodder to the Gods. He can still be comparable to them (in that case a little bit below but strong enough to fight them and still threaten them, as showed already).
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