Discussion Estimating Characters PL

[sobreno]

Please explain to me how a bias of a character determines someone power?

Because if Meliodas bias to protect Elizabeth means she's not 100k and garbage tier then thanks for confirming to me that Merlin is God tier since Escanor literally worships her existence.

Bias? Please, that is literally her entire mindset since the beginning, she doesn't want to hurt anybody, that kind of character is useless for battle standpoint, it feels like " this isn't her place " and this is right, it is like " forcing " and I don't like forced things if you get what I means.

You are twisting everything as always, she is the character who always get the most protection throughout this manga, and your wank is atrocious, 100K? That little princess? Even the Demons princes ( excepted the MC for an obvious reason ) or the Archangels ( excepted Mael with again for an obvious reason ) aren't worthy enough to be at 100K lmao.

That show how much of a blinded fanboy you truly are.

Fanboying over a character that is presented as a non-fighter from the start and still now, a character who hasn't the mindset of a fighter who get excited at the idea of fighting an opponent or loving to " train " in order to beat an opponent, you are trying to give that character a PL that 99% of this show's true fighters aren't even close to that level of power.

And you still wonder why I call you a fanboy after that? Lol.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Bias? Please, that is literally her entire mindset since the beginning, she doesn't want to hurt anybody, that kind of character is useless for battle standpoint, it feels like " this isn't her place " and this is right, it is like " forcing " and I don't like forced things if you get what I means.

You are twisting everything as always, she is the character who always get the most protection throughout this manga, and your wank is atrocious, 100K? That little princess? Even the Demons princes or the Archangels aren't worthy enough to be at 100K lmao.

That show how much of a blinded fanboy you truly are.

Fanboying over a character that is presented as a non-fighter from the start and still now, a character who hasn't the mindset of a fighter who get excited at the idea of fighting an opponent or loving to " train " in order to beat an opponent, you are trying to give that character a PL that 99% of this show's true fighters aren't even close to that level of power.

Wtf

100k?

Are you serious?

She's clearly 120k minimum.

 

[sobreno]

Sorry with your logic she's God tier.

Confirmed 100%. - Assault Meliodas Who? Escanor Who? Merlin is all that matters now.

You are so desperate that it becomes pathetic now.

Escanor is in love with her because she is the first woman who isn't afraid of him and didn't call him: " a monster ".

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 28, 2018, Original Post Date: Jun 28, 2018 ---

Wtf

100k?

Are you serious?

She's clearly 120k minimum.

You realize that you are the only one who believes that at least?

 

[OtakuFreak]

You are so desperate that it becomes pathetic now.

Escanor is in love with her because she is the first woman who isn't afraid of him and didn't call him: " a monster ".

I'm just using the same logic you guys used on Elizabeth.

If Meliodas bias to protect Elizabeth means she's garbage tier then the same applies to Escanor who worships Merlin, which must mean she's God tier, since he worships her like the sun.

Don't get upset when I use the same logic you guys use on Elizabeth on another character.

You are so desperate that it becomes pathetic now.

Escanor is in love with her because she is the first woman who isn't afraid of him and didn't call him: " a monster ".

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 28, 2018, Original Post Date: Jun 28, 2018 ---

You realize that you are the only one who believes that at least?

Not really. Others agree with me to an extent that she can be 100k+, or even higher.

Her PL isn't confirmed yet so no one is right. And I'm right to an opinion, as are you, even if we disagree.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Sorry with your logic she's God tier.

Confirmed 100%. - Assault Meliodas Who? Escanor Who? Merlin is all that matters now.

But Escanor said he'll protect Merlin too.

 

[sobreno]

I'm just using the same logic you guys used on Elizabeth.

If Meliodas bias to protect Elizabeth means she's garbage tier then the same applies to Escanor who worships Merlin, which must mean she's God tier, since he worships her like the sun.

Don't get upset when I use the same logic you guys use on Elizabeth on another character.



Not really. Others agree with me to an extent that she can be 100k+, or even higher.

Her PL isn't confirmed yet so no one is right. And I'm right to an opinion, as are you, even if we disagree.

You are acting stupid on purpose as if you didn't understand the reality of that act lol.

Elizabeth is the princess that was always protected since chapter 1 and literally up until now, whereas it isn't the case for Merlin at all.

Escanor loves her and respects her strength, that is why he isn't worried about her most of time. That is, of course, when she is really in danger like when she wanted to save Arthur, he disagrees because he knew that it was too dangerous to even for the like of her.


About Meliodas? Oh boy, the simple idea of saying: " Yeh, Elizabeth has a problem with someone who wants to fight her. "
That is enough to make him go crazy, he is super-protective over her and he showed it too much that only an idiot ( honestly ) will disagree with that.

Nakaba didn't make Elizabeth, that " independent " woman that you are dreaming off, I am sorry fanboy but he makes her a woman who is too caring, too loving and too anti-battle that it is too hard to imagine her even hurting to death or even bloody someone lmao.

 

[OtakuFreak]

You: Meliodas wanting to protect Elizabeth out of love must mean she's garbage tier

Me:

 

[MrSchmitty7]

You: Meliodas wanting to protect Elizabeth out of love must mean she's garbage tier

Me:

I never said she was garbage tier, just not super high tier if he thinks she needs protection

 

[Tragicdeath]

Did they? Mel could've jumped in front of her for some attacks, she could've used a light barrier while Mel took direct hits, etc etc. As far as durability, we've clearly seen she's not Mel tier. Mel has took hits from nearly all commandments and stood up, with a bloodied body and 1 arm. Elizabeth was knocked out with a punch. They have very different levels of base durability.

Yes they did but the second blow was too much left them knocked out. Elizabeth I think have been underplayed because of her dumbness but in terms Of PVP shes strong. She has an aura as per Der's verbalization only hers even surrounded by AA's that was why Der didnt hesitate to go towards that direction. My point is Elizabeth is strong but unfortunately she doesnt know how to use it that makes her vulnerable to get beaten weaker than her.

 

[OtakuFreak]

I never said she was garbage tier, just not super high tier if he thinks she needs protection

She may as well be garbage tier if you barely consider her commandment level lmao

 

[MrSchmitty7]

She may as well be garbage tier if you barely consider her commandment level lmao

My boi king is barely commandment level yet he does pretty good. Anyway it's probably like 5AM UK time so I'll let you get the last response so that you can go to bed. I don't think sobreno will be as merciful though lol.

 

[OtakuFreak]

My boi king is barely commandment level yet he does pretty good. Anyway it's probably like 5AM UK time so I'll let you get the last response so that you can go to bed. I don't think sobreno will be as merciful though lol.

Sleep can wait.

My victory comes first.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Sleep can wait.

My victory comes first.

I have a feeling this is an accurate representation of your current decisions

 

[sobreno]

Sleep can wait.

My victory comes first.

Lol what victory?

 

[OtakuFreak]

I have a feeling this is an accurate representation of your current decisions

me when i see ''lol comedy effect''

 

[sobreno]

me when i see ''lol comedy effect''

Don't lie, that is the sorry state of your case right now.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

me when i see ''lol comedy effect''

My reaction when you think she can legit hit with the same amount of force as 114K Escanor

 

[Bøjan]

I just realised something. If a character's PL is higher than someone else, he can still get beaten by the other one with a smaller PL. Why? It depends on how their PL's are broken down into strength, spirit and magic. Also @Tragicdeath since i don't want to go off topic in the other thread i'll post here. Let's say Mael has a base of 40k and when Escanor is 114k, he is 154k - higher than AM Meliodas. Does that mean that he automatically wins? Obviously no. For example their PL's are like this:
• AM Mel 142.000
• Strength 135.000
• Magic 4.000
• Spirit 3.000

• Mael at 154.000 (11:30+ AM)
• Strength 120.000
• Magic 30.000
• Spirit 4.000

He can still get rekt despite having a higher PL because it all depends on how the PL is broken down into the other stats.

PS - As to why i gave Mel such a high strength stat is because he oneshotted 114k Escanor with a casual punch and didn't get scratched from his Super Slash when he went 114k.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Because I'm half bored and love maths (no), and want someone to explain something to me, why not do this:

Goddess wings = power (size, length, number)

This is 90k supposedly:

Spoiler: Sariel + Tarmiel

This is supposedly 90-100k in wings

Spoiler: Ludoshel

And this is AA tier, or higher:

Spoiler: Mael

Then why don't we consider Elizabeth to be AA tier based on wing size? Hers are undeniably larger/longer than Sariel's, and even Ludoshel's (but that's harder to tell).

Spoiler: Goddess Elizabeth

And while we are at it, based on wings, anyone want to take a guess at what the PL for the Supreme Goddess is?

Spoiler: Supreme Goddess

Elizabeth looks tiny in comparison. I don't even think Elizabeth wing's together could count for 1 of the Supreme Goddesses, and she has 10 .

500k? easy

 

[Bøjan]

500k? easy

Actually you reminded me of something when you said 500k for the gods. Meliodas needs all 10C to at least get to the DK's level of power while he's at 50%. And Estarossa received 28k with 1 commandment, so people would think oh 28.000 x 10 = 280.000 and the gods at 100% are 560k, but it doesn't work like that. Meliodas is at the very least 142k with 0C and therefore why would he need all 10C to get to DK level at 50% ? If the gods were 280k now then he would be at DK level with just the 5C he's absorbing now. The gods are easily 1m i would say (when they are at 100%).