If you say Elizabeth needs feats to be placed at AA tier or higher yet perfectly accept the notion of Zeldris being at that tier with no confirmation or feats then you're just a hypocrite with a bias against Elizabeth. Simple.
Not really, Zeldris may not have any feats that put him on AA tier, but he also doesnt have any feats weighing him down, so its easy to just believe in all his hype. Elizabeth on the other hand is a damsel in distress type character constantly needing to be rescued, from Chandler and from Chandler's little beard monster, not to mention getting oneshot by Derriere. Basically Zeldris has the hype backing him up and nothing weighing him down, Elizabeth has much much less hype, and feats showing her to be pretty weak in pretty much any direct confrontation. Some people just dont think Elizabeth is as strong as you do, a lot of people in fact, doesnt make them bias or a hypocrite.
Elizabeth also doesnt have a grace, so even if her PL is on AA tier, and it might be, Elizabeth still isnt a combatant anywhere close to AA level, because arks are nowhere near as powerful as grace abilities.
Not really, Zeldris may not have any feats that put him on AA tier, but he also doesnt have any feats weighing him down, so its easy to just believe in all his hype. Elizabeth on the other hand is a damsel in distress type character constantly needing to be rescued, from Chandler and from Chandler's little beard monster, not to mention getting oneshot by Derriere. Basically Zeldris has the hype backing him up and nothing weighing him down, Elizabeth has much much less hype, and feats showing her to be pretty weak in pretty much any direct confrontation. Some people just dont think Elizabeth is as strong as you do, a lot of people in fact, doesnt make them bias or a hypocrite.
Elizabeth also doesnt have a grace, so even if her PL is on AA tier, and it might be, Elizabeth still isnt a combatant anywhere close to AA level, because arks are nowhere near as powerful as grace abilities.
Why does being saved equate to needing to be rescued? Diane saved Mel during the Hendrickson incident does that mean he needed to be saved? Why does a friend wishing to save a friend automatically mean that said friend has no ability to fend for themselves? Why is chandlers cheek given so much credit? It left no effect other than a haircut on her and yet has been called out as being something that would have killed her had Diane not already been there facing the direction it came from.
Why does being saved equate to needing to be rescued? Diane saved Mel during the Hendrickson incident does that mean he needed to be saved? Why does a friend wishing to save a friend automatically mean that said friend has no ability to fend for themselves? Why is chandlers cheek given so much credit? It left no effect other than a haircut on her and yet has been called out as being something that would have killed her had Diane not already been there facing the direction it came from.
It doesnt equate to anything, but it suggests it. Its like the opposite of hype, is it fact? No, does it make the character look weaker? To me at least.
Cant remember the Hendrikson incident well so i dont know exactly what you're talking about, but Meliodas seemed pretty weak to me(weaker than King) throughout most of the arc.
Wait was my post deleted. Ah well. All in all these arguments get no where and we'll need to see where Elizabeth ends up after she wakes up from being kidnapped for the 5th time to do something. Most likely she'll just end up assisting in purging Mael and then everyone goes off to stop Mel. I just want Elizabeth fans to be ready for the possibility that she may never show the feats they are expecting. Just like i'll accept the possibility of her being AA level if the feats are shown. Either way one side is in for a rude awakening.
You should take mind to realize that that also goes in reverse with a bias against her to make her look weak. If one is excluding her magic feats to say "her strength feats are weak so that means she is weak", that is completely wrong. People have brought up derieri's punch having knocked Elizabeth out as an example of Elizabeth being weak while ignoring that Elizabeth blew off Derieri's hand in reverse without even trying, which would imply she is strong. So which is it? Is she weak or strong?
And what determines being strong in the first place and what barometer are you using?
I mean, that's like saying you need spirit and strength stat to be "AA level". When strength is only one factor of prowess and is not any sort of barometer of being "AA level". Just as an example, if Elizabeth's PL just as a hypothetical, is 100k, and her magic stat is like 85k, her spirit stat is 14k and her strength is 2k, her 2 other stats are generally meaningless if her magic is so much of her ability that she can use in countless ways(and we have seen her use her magical abilities atleast 8 or 9 different ways already). In addition to this, contrary to the nonsense some people were arguing previous to the current chapter, ark can be used easily as a weapon outside of darkness, and has the same offensive capability as darkness on other creatures.
King is an example of a character similar to this who has a weak body, but has very strong defensive and offensive magic capabilities. Nobody says he is weak.
There is almost no difference between her and King from where i am standing in their general type of diversity of action, based on how she has been portrayed in the flashback and since regaining her memories outside of the addition of Elizabeth also obviously having extreme support depth as well which she has focused on being a pacifist first and foremost.
Getting KOed is a durability feat. Blowing off her hand is a magic feat. However in a real fight, a blown off hand won’t stop Deri from attacking. If Elizabeth can’t finish her in one hit, her current durability feats suggest that she’s in trouble.
Strong characters are generally well rounded in more than one area.
King isn’t as weak anymore though his body gained power. He can take his magic being full countered and can survive a hit from 40K Diane’s hammer. He’s gotten a power boost which has boosted his durability.
King has confirmed
Powerful magic
Great speed
Pretty high durability.
Great reflexes.
So if he’s bad in the strength department, he can get some slack because he makes up for it in 4/5 areas. As compared to Elizabeth who has only shown a confirmed 1/5.
Taizai isn’t like Final Fantasy. You don’t just get to stand still and toss magic till one person gives out. It’s a fight, and you’d be screwed over if your body is only trained for use in magic.
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And while we're at it, here are some Zeldris feats
Speed: Zeldris has enough speed to blitz Diane in Drole's body after she has powered up using the dance. Additionally, he is able to blitz towards Meliodas at the same speed as Estarossa, who has 50K dedicated to his strength stat.
Durability: Zeldris can tank attacks that exceed his own demon king borrowed magic without any signs of visible damage for some time. He can also effortlessly tank damage from 56K Mel who has a strength stat of 50K with no visible signs of being slowed down.
Strength: A little less than Estarossa, but he also has a stage two demon mark which likely boosts him higher.
Reflexes: He can chop off Mel's arm and sheath his blade even when Mel attacked first. And Mel has a strength stat of 50K.
Magic: Aside from being granted DK magic, his regular magic is strong enough to curse Merlin, who has been stated to already have a natural defense against demon curses. It took the combined effort of Merlin's resistance and Elizabeth to repeal the curse, and even then Zeldris only left Merlin's body once he finished casually talking to Elizabeth. He also
Confirmed words from other characters: He is one of the highest ranked demons and was confident that he could take down Drole, and the Gowthers, with no signs of fear nor hesitation.
Unlike Elizabeth, King has plenty of feats, is a Sin and it's easy to gauge his power. As for Zeldris, we know his PL with his first mark and he is considered a genius. Unless you think the two masters are not AA tier, I don't see why you would believe that he is not AA tier as well. Anyway, it's clear that he is very strong. Some people say that Elizabeth's PL is high(not necessarily AA tier though) but she is a bad fighter. And from her feats, I don't see how you can say that Elizabeth is a good fighter.
Getting KOed is a durability feat. Blowing off her hand is a magic feat. However in a real fight, a blown off hand won’t stop Deri from attacking. If Elizabeth can’t finish her in one hit, her current durability feats suggest that she’s in trouble.
Strong characters are generally well rounded in more than one area.
King isn’t as weak anymore though his body gained power. He can take his magic being full countered and can survive a hit from 40K Diane’s hammer. He’s gotten a power boost which has boosted his durability.
King has confirmed
Powerful magic
Great speed
Pretty high durability.
Great reflexes.
So if he’s bad in the strength department, he can get some slack because he makes up for it in 4/5 areas. As compared to Elizabeth who has only shown a confirmed 1/5.
Taizai isn’t like Final Fantasy. You don’t just get to stand still and toss magic till one person gives out. It’s a fight, and you’d be screwed over if your body is only trained for use in magic.
King is strong, but he is not very durable. He and Merlin are by far the less durable among the Sins. He took Diane's hit but he was protected by his helmet and it paralyzed him. He said that a serious punch from Meliodas might even kill him. To protect themselves King and Merlin use barriers(for the latter) and Guardian + Increase. King's mobility is also great so there is that. Among the Sins, these two are definitely glass cannons.
remember elizabeth in the beginning she had no access to her powers and was weak but when she began to awaken her powers she ended up growing in strength till she fully regained her memories and got at full strength so I think that estarossa becoming mael again and reawakening his goddess clan powers gave him a power boost so I base level mael is > estarossa base level (estarossa base PL was 60,0000 Power Level TotalMagicStrengthSpirit
60,000 3,000 53,000 4,000
and only slightly weaker than zeldris total power level though estarossas strength and spirit is greater than zeldris Power Level TotalMagicStrengthSpirit
61,000 10,000 47,200 3,800
so its quite likely that when mael become estarossa he lost a good bit of power like his level of magic decreased. so base level maels power level was higher than 60,000 in fact I would say his power level was greater than zeldris power level.
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It was stated that mael is as equal in power to meliodas in the past. But don't forget, meliodas had the love commandment. He was probably stronger in the past then when he fought escanor because he had assault mode available and a commandment.
Logically, unless the darkness from the Commandments is repelling Mael's light and they're counteracting each other, Mael should be at 120,000+ right now, seeing as to how it was heavily implied(and it's logical)his strength rose when he regained his Ark and memories.
So we can all agree this is what the top five looks like now before it changes again...
1)Demon King/Supreme Deity
560,000 (that's if all the Commandments give the same boost which it's highly unlikely they don't)
2)Escanor {The One}
200,000 (hopefully he did one shot Meliodas at 142,000 so?)
3)Meliodas {Assault Mode}
142,000(we do know that he was still awakening so maybe at full power when he confronted his brothers it was a decent 160,000?)
4)Mael (Estarossa) Goddess Powers Awakened {3 Commandments}
175,000 (I'll leave that up for debate)
