Discussion Estimating Characters PL

[T25]

If Bellion is 38,000 then why did Meliodas reject his application to the Ten Commandments? He's already practically equal to Galand, plus they needed some replacements.

Wasn’t it stated to be because of his conduct?

 

[MrSchmitty7]

If Bellion is 38,000 then why did Meliodas reject his application to the Ten Commandments? He's already practically equal to Galand, plus they needed some replacements.

Mel was probably salty that he had to save his punk ass from Mael. For all we know Mel was in the middle of checking the Elizabeth rule 34 page when he heard Bellion talking shit and then getting shit on.

Well not that drastic, but he was probably pissed that he had to save him.

Anyway I say 38K because Mel before his death was 32K without his demon mark and he was slightly above Mel. I'd put him at 50K after he let the indura magic flow through him because Indura is just op with what it does

 

[Peter16373]

The Meliodas in the movie is 60k Post-Revival Meliodas and not 32.5k Pre-Revival Meliodas. So Bellion would probably be around the 60k range before his power up. After his power up I assume he’s around the 90k range.

 

[sobreno]

If Bellion is 38,000 then why did Meliodas reject his application to the Ten Commandments? He's already practically equal to Galand, plus they needed some replacements.

The movie isn't canon. And Meliodas didn't care about him back then.

But based on his performance, he is easily on the 60K considering his feat in this movie.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Wasn’t it stated to be because of his conduct?

But the other conduct of the Ten Commandments isn't specifically mundane either. I imagine he behaved in such a way due to being the leader of the black knights, but if he was a member of the ten commandments he might've reigned himself in under the command of Meliodas.

Well not that drastic, but he was probably pissed that he had to save him.

Probably, but at the same time anyone in such a situation would've needed to be saved - though, he did invade the celestial realm independently, so no one else would've needed to be saved (XD)

Anyway I say 38K because Mel before his death was 32K without his demon mark and he was slightly above Mel. I'd put him at 50K after he let the indura magic flow through him because Indura is just op with what it does

Fair enough.

The Meliodas in the movie is 60k Post-Revival Meliodas and not 32.5k Pre-Revival Meliodas. So Bellion would probably be around the 60k range before his power up. After his power up I assume he’s around the 90k range.

Where is your source confirming that Meliodas is in his 60,000 PL state? Its not stated when the movie takes place PL-wise.

 

[sobreno]

But the other conduct of the Ten Commandments isn't specifically mundane either. I imagine he behaved in such a way due to being the leader of the black knights, but if he was a member of the ten commandments he might've reigned himself in under the command of Meliodas.



Probably, but at the same time anyone in such a situation would've needed to be saved - though, he did invade the celestial realm independently, so no one else would've needed to be saved (XD)



Fair enough.



Where is your source confirming that Meliodas is in his 60,000 PL state? Its not stated when the movie takes place PL-wise.

Like I said, the movie isn't even canon lmao.

You sound like Fairy Tail tard who took their movies seriously

 

[OtakuFreak]

Like I said, the movie isn't even canon lmao.

Obviously, but some elements of the movie are canon. For example:

-Six Black Knights are canon characters, so seeing their abilities/personalities in more depth is valid.
-Merlin's information on MoC is accurate & valid, because she is once again, a character in the manga not someone strictly to this movie (i.e like solaad)
-Bellion's hate to Meliodas & how he and the knights were perceived by Meliodas & the Demon King.

You sound like Fairy Tail tard who took their movies seriously

Granted, I've refused to watch any FT movies because the series itself is already beyond horrible in the anime/manga, but even then, some elements of the movies can be considered canon.

Obviously, the movie isn't as valid as to the manga in detail but there is still information that you can take away as canon.

 

[sobreno]

Obviously, but some elements of the movie are canon. For example:

-Six Black Knights are canon characters, so seeing their abilities/personalities in more depth is valid.
-Merlin's information on MoC is accurate & valid, because she is once again, a character in the manga not someone strictly to this movie (i.e like solaad)
-Bellion's hate to Meliodas & how he and the knights were perceived by Meliodas & the Demon King.



Granted, I've refused to watch any FT movies because the series itself is already beyond horrible in the anime/manga, but even then, some elements of the movies can be considered canon.

Obviously, the movie isn't as valid as to the manga in detail but there is still information that you can take away as canon.

The characters likes Mel and the others and the 6 black nights and Baruja are canon.

Plot and feat inside that movie aren't canon.

That is all, same shit with One Piece new world movie, Shiki was canon and yet the way Luffy defeated a legendary pirate with only in his pre time skip level is beyond bullshit.

Plot too.

 

[OtakuFreak]

The characters likes Mel and the others and the 6 black nights and Baruja are canon.

Yes, thus any information or depth given on their characters should be valid, like how the Demon King/Meliodas viewed the knights as a nuisance and selfish brigade.

Information on this + MoC are pretty much the only valuable details which are canon in the movie, others are just bullshit.

Plot and feat inside that movie aren't canon.

Of course, Diane (without power-up) & King were apparently able to resist against Indura (whom I'm assuming is 200,000 +) which is beyond stupid in reality, but this is a movie, so meh.

The only feats in the movie worth considering is Meliodas VS Bellion considering how both of them are roughly commandment level, but even then, it's a stretch.

That is all, same shit with One Piece new world movie, Shiki was canon and yet the way Luffy defeated a legendary pirate with only in his pre time skip level is beyond bullshit.

Plot too.

Obviously, for the most part the plot & feats of the characters inside movies of manga/anime are not actually canon, they're heavily stretched for entertainment value, otherwise Indura would've slaughtered everyone in a matter of seconds, which doesn't make for a good movie, does it?

 

[Peter16373]

Where is your source confirming that Meliodas is in his 60,000 PL state? Its not stated when the movie takes place PL-wise.

Meliodas has his Post-Revival Demon Mark instead of his Pre-Revival Demon Mark.

 

[sobreno]

Yes, thus any information or depth given on their characters should be valid, like how the Demon King/Meliodas viewed the knights as a nuisance and selfish brigade.

Information on this + MoC are pretty much the only valuable details which are canon in the movie, others are just bullshit.



Of course, Diane (without power-up) & King were apparently able to resist against Indura (whom I'm assuming is 200,000 +) which is beyond stupid in reality, but this is a movie, so meh.

The only feats in the movie worth considering is Meliodas VS Bellion considering how both of them are roughly commandment level, but even then, it's a stretch.



Obviously, for the most part the plot & feats of the characters inside movies of manga/anime are not actually canon, they're heavily stretched for entertainment value, otherwise Indura would've slaughtered everyone in a matter of seconds, which doesn't make for a good movie, does it?

That is why you shouldn't take it seriously, if it was 100% canon like DBS movies or Two last naruto movies.

It is another story.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Meliodas has his Post-Revival Demon Mark instead of his Pre-Revival Demon Mark.

He’s had that mark since before the series started. It was in an extra chapter that explained how Merlin took his power

 

[sobreno]

He’s had that mark since before the series started. It was in an extra chapter that explained how Merlin took his power

Yep, he was just out of shape lol.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Yep, he was just out of shape lol.

It was probably just the plot as to why Mel never used that demon mark lol. 10C would’ve been dead if they tried to rush him back in vaizel

 

[Peter16373]

He’s had that mark since before the series started. It was in an extra chapter that explained how Merlin took his power

The extra chapter showed Meliodas with his Prime Demon Mark the full circle one not his Post-Revival Demon Mark which looks more like a C or his Pre-Revival which is more like a swirl.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

The extra chapter showed Meliodas with his Prime Demon Mark the full circle one not his Post-Revival Demon Mark which looks more like a C or his Pre-Revival which is more like a swirl.

Yeah but looking at it that way doesn’t make sense. I doubt he’d die and lose power from a curse that brings him back to his peak. If he has the original power mark then he has the lesser as well

 

[OtakuFreak]

He’s had that mark since before the series started. It was in an extra chapter that explained how Merlin took his power

So the Meliodas in this chapter is the 60,000 one?

 

[Peter16373]

I would probably just ignore the Demon Mark Meliodas had in the extra chapter and write it off as an art icocsistency. Cause if Meliodas really did have access to his prime demon mark than Ban wouldn’t have said Meliodas was back to being the same Captain from ten years ago when he had a mere 32.5k in base. There’s also other problems with Meliodas being at his Prime ten years ago but that’ll take too long to list and I really don’t want to waste time listing them.

But anyways the Demon Mark Meliodas had in the movie was his Post-Revival one. Which is consistent with how the movie is using the Sins at the end of season 2 since King is able to use True Spirit Spear Chastiefol but he doesn’t have his mini wings and Diane used her fillet and roast golem thing.

So Bellion was fighting pretty evenly and having the upper hand in some parts of the fight against 60k Post-Revival Base Meliodas.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

So the Meliodas in this chapter is the 60,000 one?

I’d say it’s a mix. I’d say 32K since I dont think he got killed yet with like an 80K demon mark. then again idk what Nakaba is thinking. But it seems weird how Bellion would be 60K at base since that’s basically Zel’s base.

The movie promotion said that this story also takes place after Elizabeth found the sins peace has returned to liones so I’d assume it happens like a few months after the Hendrickson arc. Otherwise I don’t get why they’d bring up part 1

That and Gowther doesn’t have emotions

 

[OtakuFreak]

I’d say it’s a mix. I’d say 32K since I dont think he got killed yet with like an 80K demon mark. then again idk what Nakaba is thinking. But it seems weird how Bellion would be 60K at base since that’s basically Zel’s base.

The movie promotion said that this story also takes place after Elizabeth found the sins peace has returned to liones so I’d assume it happens like a few months after the Hendrickson arc. Otherwise I don’t get why they’d bring up part 1

That and Gowther doesn’t have emotions

Problem is, Escanor is in the movie and he doesn't appear until he fights Galand + Melascula. So it can't be just after part 1

HELL, the movie literally has Escanor going '' oh its late afternoon, maybe I still have some power'' referencing to sunshine weakening after noon (which isn't referenced until his fight with ''Estarossa'')