Discussion Estimating Characters PL

[Samael Morningstar]

My stance on pl
Sinner - 341k
Ludo- 300k
King - 350k +
Escanor (one mode) - 400k( mostly strength, also we haven't seen much of him just a finger and a karate chop so definitely he's much more stronger than we thought)
Mael ( Afternoon) - 400k
Mael (near noon) - 500k
Mael (one mode) -700-900k
SD - 1 million+
DK-1 million+
Meliodas with OG magic and all- 1 million+
Ban - 450k

 

[Seven777]

For me it'd be
Sinner - 250k(Some of the Master's pl went into reclaiming Crisis imo, which could power him up further)
Ludo - 201k(I think a body restricts his use of his PL, not how much he has)
King - 350k
Ban - 380k
Mel - 500k
One Escanor - 350k
Near Noon Mael - 300k
Noon Mael - 500k
Zeldris - 140k
%50 DK - 600k
%100 DK - 1mil+

 

[Killerbee12]

Y’all bugging, here are more accurate power levels
Sinner: 300k plus
Ludo: 201k his power is restricted because of his human vessel
King:150k to 200k why because he was able to damage the sinner and beat a mindless Mael. He has not shown feats that suggest he higher
Meal without sunshine: should b 50k to 60k
Meal with sunshine: starts at a power level of 110k then when it’s high noon 200k, in One mode 500k plus, after The One mode back to around 200k
Zeldris: second demon Mark 90k to 100k with Assault mode mark 140k to 150k
Ban: 150k to 250k is tricky because I don’t think his magical power increase that much, but his spiritual and strength did.
Meliodas as demon King: 500k
Meliodas with original power:500k

 

[OtakuFreak]

Y’all bugging, here are more accurate power levels
Sinner: 300k plus
Ludo: 201k his power is restricted because of his human vessel
King:150k to 200k why because he was able to damage the sinner and beat a mindless Mael. He has not shown feats that suggest he higher
Meal without sunshine: should b 50k to 60k
Meal with sunshine: starts at a power level of 110k then when it’s high noon 200k, in One mode 500k plus, after The One mode back to around 200k
Zeldris: second demon Mark 90k to 100k with Assault mode mark 140k to 150k
Ban: 150k to 250k is tricky because I don’t think his magical power increase that much, but his spiritual and strength did.
Meliodas as demon King: 500k
Meliodas with original power:500k

Mael is Derieri tier at base? LOL no.

His base should be at minimum comparable to Ludoshel's/Elizabeth otherwise it's entirely pointless to give Mael the most powerful grace (Ludoshel would've benefitted more from it)

 

[Killerbee12]

Mael is Derieri tier at base? LOL no.

His base should be at minimum comparable to Ludoshel's/Elizabeth otherwise it's entirely pointless to give Mael the most powerful grace (Ludoshel would've benefitted more from it)

That doesn’t make sense that he 200k with out sunshine. Even Escanor said he needed the grace to defeat the demons. And Ludociel said near noon I can’t even hope to compare to him. Also, we kno Ludociel is the strongest arch angels most of the day

 

[Samael Morningstar]

I'm seeing a lot of people mistaking Late afternoon mael as near noon mael.
Near noon Ranges from 11:30-12:30 and when mael got sunshine back it was at least 1:30 meaning this power of mael is corresponding to his 10:30 Of power.
Mael near noon would be massively stronger than his current self and one mode would be even far far beyond his near noon state

 

[OtakuFreak]

That doesn’t make sense that he 200k with out sunshine.

It does though, why would the Supreme Deity give the most influential grace to her weakest member of the Four Archangels? If his base wasn't at least comparable to Ludoshel's (who is the strongest AA graceless IMO) then you might as well give it to Ludoshel and have him get greater benefit out of it.

Mael said Ludoshel/Elizabeth had comparable PL's to him despite he being the strongest AA.

Ludoshel said he couldn't hope to ''compare'' to his brother when it was ''near noon''.

Escanor shows us that 11 AM = 50K (1 PM is 50K as well)

Let's say Mael/Ludoshel are 250k base.

''Near noon'' qualifies as 11 AM and even then, 300K isn't a massive difference from 250k and could still somewhat be ''comparable'' to 250k.

Now if Mael's base is lower then this makes the point of ''comparability'' even more stronger.

Mael outright said Ludoshel is comparable to him and then Ludoshel said it's only near noon that he is outmatched - so the obvious conclusion is that they must have similiar bases

Even Escanor said he needed the grace to defeat the demons

Because he is entirely dependent on it, he doesn't have any independent power like the AA's have.

And Ludociel said near noon I can’t even hope to compare to him. Also, we kno Ludociel is the strongest arch angels most of the day

Exactly, he said ''near noon'' that he wasn't comparable anymore. Outside of noon or anywhere close to it, Mael's PL is comparable to Ludoshel's and from Escanor's usage of sunshine we see that the PL-gain from sun isn't that great outside of noon.

Mael's base is comparable to Ludoshel and it's only when it's near noon when he becomes too powerful and outside his brother's hope to reach him.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

It does though, why would the Supreme Deity give the most influential grace to her weakest member of the Four Archangels? If his base wasn't at least comparable to Ludoshel's (who is the strongest AA graceless IMO) then you might as well give it to Ludoshel and have him get greater benefit out of it.

Mael said Ludoshel/Elizabeth had comparable PL's to him despite he being the strongest AA.

Ludoshel said he couldn't hope to ''compare'' to his brother when it was ''near noon''.

Escanor shows us that 11 AM = 50K (1 PM is 50K as well)

Let's say Mael/Ludoshel are 250k base.

''Near noon'' qualifies as 11 AM and even then, 300K isn't a massive difference from 250k and could still somewhat be ''comparable'' to 250k.

Now if Mael's base is lower then this makes the point of ''comparability'' even more stronger.

Mael outright said Ludoshel is comparable to him and then Ludoshel said it's only near noon that he is outmatched - so the obvious conclusion is that they must have similiar bases



Because he is entirely dependent on it, he doesn't have any independent power like the AA's have.



Exactly, he said ''near noon'' that he wasn't comparable anymore. Outside of noon or anywhere close to it, Mael's PL is comparable to Ludoshel's and from Escanor's usage of sunshine we see that the PL-gain from sun isn't that great outside of noon.

Mael's base is comparable to Ludoshel and it's only when it's near noon when he becomes too powerful and outside his brother's hope to reach him.

Any guesses what will Elizabeth's innate ability be like?
I'm sure nakaba is going to give her something he even said it
And yes Near noon is 11:30 not 11:00

 

[Arjuna]

Whatever Elizabeth's innate magic is,it should increase her power level to such a level that it will be impossible for her to stay in Britannia like Meliodas's OgMagic.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Whatever Elizabeth's innate magic is,it should increase her power level to such a level that it will be impossible for her to stay in Britannia like Meliodas's OgMagic.

And the will again be bullshit

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I would rather choose her to absorb the graces than coming up with a magic making her as powerful as the gods

 

[OtakuFreak]

Whatever Elizabeth's innate magic is,it should increase her power level to such a level that it will be impossible for her to stay in Britannia like Meliodas's OgMagic.

It would be bullshit from a lore standpoint but if Nakaba wants to be fair, Elizabeth needs her ass-pull power-up since Meliodas got one.

And the will again be bullshit

True, but Meliodas got it so why stop now?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

It would be bullshit from a lore standpoint but if Nakaba wants to be fair, Elizabeth needs her ass-pull power-up since Meliodas got one.



True, but Meliodas got it so why stop now?

Cause she's not meliodas

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No female lead should get big power ups I mean none ever got especially for someone like Elizabeth who's just like orihime and all so no even if she gets a power up it should not make her any stronger than Ludociel

 

[Seven777]

Cause she's not meliodas

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No female lead should get big power ups I mean none ever got especially for someone like Elizabeth who's just like orihime and all so no even if she gets a power up it should not make her any stronger than Ludociel

Personally I would have liked it if it turned out Orihime's powers were even greater than Ichigo's. Orihime was kinda wasted, felt like her powers were hyped up for nothing. I don't see anything wrong with a female lead getting a big power up, I mean why not? Seeing titties on the front lines won't kill ya, it might even enhance the experience. I'm not too fussed about Elizabeth when it comes to the power department, but DIane should definitely powerup far beyond Ludo, just like King and Ban did.

 

[Arjuna]

Cause she's not meliodas

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No female lead should get big power ups I mean none ever got especially for someone like Elizabeth who's just like orihime and all so no even if she gets a power up it should not make her any stronger than Ludociel

Mate did you read Attack on Titan or Akame Ga Kill manga or Inuyasha?

Or Tokyo Ghoul?


You will see how female lead got superpower up.


I don't know whether Nakaba Sensei will give it here but I won't mind if he gives Elizabeth a strong power up.

 

[T25]

No female lead should get big power ups

...what?

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It would be bullshit from a lore standpoint but if Nakaba wants to be fair, Elizabeth needs her ass-pull power-up since Meliodas got one.

How would it be if the lore supports it?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Mate did you read Attack on Titan or Akame Ga Kill manga or Inuyasha?

Or Tokyo Ghoul?


You will see how female lead got superpower up.


I don't know whether Nakaba Sensei will give it here but I won't mind if he gives Elizabeth a strong power up.

I know for those animes but for the likes of NNT, naruto, bleach

 

[OtakuFreak]

No female lead should get big power ups I mean none ever got especially for someone like Elizabeth who's just like orihime and all so no even if she gets a power up it should not make her any stronger than Ludociel

are u trolling.

no seriously are u trying to be the next ger?

How would it be if the lore supports it?

Depends on the extravagance of the power-up, but if it had lore to support it then it would be more acceptable.

But from the lore we currently have, if Elizabeth was to pull out some hidden magical power that makes her able to defeat her mother easily then it rectons the whole ''there was nothing we could do against our parents'' moment etc

 

[HereNThere]

No female lead should get big power ups I mean none ever got especially for someone like Elizabeth who's just like orihime and all so no even if she gets a power up it should not make her any stronger than Ludociel

Eh, no, it's highly likely Elizabeth is going to get a significant power up, most likely one to match Mel.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Eh, no, it's highly likely Elizabeth is going to get a significant power up, most likely one to match Mel.

It won't I bet

 

[Seven777]

I'm still waiting for more info on Eli's light wings, looks like it sorta parallels Mel's true magic, them both being visual representations of their magic and all, rather than just unique abilities or attacks like most people have. Could Eli have temporarily accessed some of her OG magic before?