Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Char]

Did you forget that Natsu had to use his new mode and his strongest attack to take on Jacob?

Precissely because of the fact Natsu was portrayed as needing BDKM in order to defeat a spriggan like Jacob, but then he could oneshot in BASE an enhanced one who, even if weak, could've defeated Brandish. This is showing unreasonable progression.

Did you forget that Natsu spells aren't mountain level?

Yes they are, in BDKM. Probably now in base too due to his latest display.

Did you forget Gildarts has speed that Natsu can't react to?

Still with the Ice Trail thing... Natsu's probably got similar speed by now, he just didn't need to use it to defeat anyone.

Watch the end of the Bluenotestinger fight, Gildarts was a few meters away and instantly had his hand under his jaw and sent him flying.

No pre-ts feats are applicable for current characters like Natsu or Glidartz. Also Natsu can casually accidentally oneshot BN.

Gildarts speed has not been destroyed with one leg. Neinhart a weak spriggan, and Natsu couldn't hit him because he lacked speed. Only his second punch got him.

This is not me interpreting Natsu as being almost as strong, as strong or even possibly stronger than Glidartz by now, it's Mashima being ridiculous. Neinheart, albeit weak, was enhanced, and was superior to Brandish, who could be compared to Jacob maybe (although IMO Brandish > Jacob) so we have here a progression of Natsu in BDKM defeating an 8 character in power, then oneshotting in BASE a 10 character in power in a span of a few hours.

It is debatable whether Neinheart dodged his punch or whether it hit on him, in any case we should begin to consider that version of Neinheart somewhat POWERFUL as he was enhanced by Irene and not even Brandish could face him, he was no longer the weakass we're used to.

@Takuan no prob ^^ I also agree with you in everything you said.

 

[Woodenstool]

Precissely because of the fact Natsu was portrayed as needing BDKM in order to defeat a spriggan like Jacob, but then he could oneshot in BASE an enhanced one who, even if weak, could've defeated Brandish. This is showing unreasonable progression.



Yes they are, in BDKM. Probably now in base too due to his latest display.



Still with the Ice Trail thing... Natsu's probably got similar speed by now, he just didn't need to use it to defeat anyone.



No pre-ts feats are applicable for current characters like Natsu or Glidartz. Also Natsu can casually accidentally oneshot BN.



This is not me interpreting Natsu as being almost as strong, as strong or even possibly stronger than Glidartz by now, it's Mashima being ridiculous. Neinheart, albeit weak, was enhanced, and was superior to Brandish, who could be compared to Jacob maybe (although IMO Brandish > Jacob) so we have here a progression of Natsu in BDKM defeating an 8 character in power, then oneshotting in BASE a 10 character in power in a span of a few hours.

It is debatable whether Neinheart dodged his punch or whether it hit on him, in any case we should begin to consider that version of Neinheart somewhat POWERFUL as he was enhanced by Irene and not even Brandish could face him, he was no longer the weakass we're used to.

@Takuan no prob ^^ I also agree with you in everything you said.

The reason Brandish couldn't beat him is because she lacks phyiscal strength. Do you expect her to trade blows with Neinhart? No.

Natsu didn't accidentally one shot bluenotestinger. Gildarts one shotted bluenotestinger as well. They weren't using magic in their fight, Gildarts used one crash infused punch and demolished him.

No, Natsu being able to break a mountain is different from his spell being as large as a mountain. Gildarts can break Natsus spell with ease, and throw multiple mountain busting punches. Natsu doesn't have that speed, show me feats.

It's not debatable, Natsu clearly missed.

 

[Boomburst]

The reason Brandish couldn't beat him is because she lacks phyiscal strength. Do you expect her to trade blows with Neinhart? No.

Natsu didn't accidentally one shot bluenotestinger. Gildarts one shotted bluenotestinger as well. They weren't using magic in their fight, Gildarts used one crash infused punch and demolished him.

No, Natsu being able to break a mountain is different from his spell being as large as a mountain. Gildarts can break Natsus spell with ease, and throw multiple mountain busting punches. Natsu doesn't have that speed, show me feats.

It's not debatable, Natsu clearly missed.

Do you even read the manga? Brandish couldn't do anything to Neinhart because he was enhanced so much that her magic had no effect on him. These are literally words coming straight out her own mouth.

 

[Woodenstool]

Do you even read the manga? Brandish couldn't do anything to Neinhart because he was enhanced so much that her magic had no effect on him. These are literally words coming straight out her own mouth.

No sh*t. Brandish couldn't shrink him because his magic was higher. Are you saying Natsus magic is higher than hers?

Brandish can't punch for shit.

 

[Static]

No sh*t. Brandish couldn't shrink him because his magic was higher. Are you saying Natsus magic is higher than hers?

Brandish can't punch for shit.

Yes, she said that. It literally came out of her mouth. Mashima confirmed that NLF exists in this manga. And no, Natsu's magic isn't higher than her but I do believe he is stronger than her.

Mind you, NLF only applies to hax, not raw power.

 

[sharkai]

Haha, thanks. To give you a firm answer to your previous question, I would definitely say Gray's attack power is higher than Erza at this point. As of Chapter 500, we saw Gray defeat Invel with Ice Devil's Zeroth Destruction Fist. Even though I acknowledge that Gray used Invel's ice against him, the attack was still his own.

This is very similar to how Natsu eats his opponent's flames and uses it to his own advantage (power-up). Does that mean we shouldn't count those feats? No. So to be fair, I won't use this against Gray.

Besides, Invel has higher durability than the likes of Ajeel especially with his Ice-Rending Divine Raiment. And because Gray was able to punch through it with just pure physical force, I would say this is a notable feat of strength. Not to mention, this chapter also proved that Gray isn't as bad in CQC as most people claim.

I would also like to add that Gray has gone up in my ranking when it comes to Versatility. Even though he doesn't possess different elements, his ability to channel different forms/qualities of ice and attribute it to his own, is still impressive in itself. I will admit that when I first saw him use it on Silver's ice in the Sun Village Arc, I thought it was only used for plot reasons. But now, it seems clear to me that this is one of Gray's abilities and although it is an indirect feat, it still counts in my book.

You don't use nakama power boost in your ranking methods

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

You don't use nakama power boost in your ranking methods

Yeah, I don't. I am actually against Nakama Power and PoF because it skews the power ranking and gives readers an inaccurate perception of a character's power level. Literally, the only reason why such a thing exists is because of plot reasons.

 

[Hermit]

My current Spriggan 12 rankings after seeing Invel's performance in the latest chapter:
1.August
2.Irene
3.Larcade
4.Dimaria
5.God Serena
6.Brandish
7.Invel
8.Wahl
9.Bradman
10.Ajeel
11.Lessio
12.Neinhart

 

[Crimson Ice]

Show me speed feats of Natsu that are superior to Erza's. Her armor negates 50% of the fire, if she used her wind sword, she can just blow the fire away then use the 8 Hax swords to kill Natsu.

Natsu was able to cleanly tag Ajeel unlike Erza did. Erza's wind sword was barely able to blow away any of Ajeel's sand, it's not blowing away any FDK spells. Natsu pummels her.

 

[Woodenstool]

Natsu was able to cleanly tag Ajeel unlike Erza did. Erza's wind sword was barely able to blow away any of Ajeel's sand, it's not blowing away any FDK spells. Natsu pummels her.

Erza couldn't do jack shit to a sandstorm that engulfed the entire city. I'd like to see Natsu or even Laxus counter that. Erza is stronger than Natsu in physical strength but when it comes down to magic combined with them it's another story. And Erza and Ajeel were in a battle mindset, whilst Ajeel wasn't when he first encountered them.

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My current Spriggan 12 rankings after seeing Invel's performance in the latest chapter:
1.August
2.Irene
3.Larcade
4.Dimaria
5.God Serena
6.Brandish
7.Invel
8.Wahl
9.Bradman
10.Ajeel
11.Lessio
12.Neinhart

Invel can basically freeze anyone with his divine ice if he really wanted to.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Erza couldn't do jack shit to a sandstorm that engulfed the entire city. I'd like to see Natsu or even Laxus counter that. Erza is stronger than Natsu in physical strength but when it comes down to magic combined with them it's another story. And Erza and Ajeel were in a battle mindset, whilst Ajeel wasn't when he first encountered them.

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Invel can basically freeze anyone with his divine ice if he really wanted to.

Natsu countered that through his enhanced senses and Laxus would do the same because they're dragon slayers. The amount of sand she blew away was laughable. Erza being stronger than Natsu i pure strength is a myth as far as I'm concerned. Erza has done nothing to be ranked higher than Natsu.

 

[Jko]

My list of the S12

1. Wizard King/Scarlet Witch Despair
2. Disaster/Scarlet Despair
3. White Dragneel
4. Valkyrie
5. Country Demolisher
6. Transporter Assassin
7. Hybrid Theory
8. Winter General
9. Adjudicator
10. Sand King
11. Shinigami Grim Reaper
12. Historia of Corpses

 

[Arjuna]

My ranking of new Spriggan's
High Tier
August
Irene
Larcade
God Serena
Mid Tier
Dimaria
Wahl
Invel
Brandish
Ajeel
Low Tier
Bloodman
Jacob
Neinhart

 

[Jko]

My ranking of new Spriggan's
High Tier
August
Irene
Larcade
God Serena
Mid Tier
Dimaria
Wahl
Invel
Brandish
Ajeel
Low Tier
Bloodman
Jacob
Neinhart

Why is Jacob low tier? Is transport + Stealth combo would be way to hecka strong.

Why is God Serena in high tier but DiMaria isn't? Timestop >>> Hybrid Dragon powers.

Really the only gripes. Though I wouldn't rank Bloodman as a low tier S12 either. The only low tier S12 is Neinhart.

 

[Arjuna]

Why is Jacob low tier? Is transport + Stealth combo would be way to hecka strong.

Why is God Serena in high tier but DiMaria isn't? Timestop >>> Hybrid Dragon powers.

Really the only gripes. Though I wouldn't rank Bloodman as a low tier S12 either. The only low tier S12 is Neinhart.

See my ranking is based upon MP.If i make a list based on haxes then Dimaria and Jacob will be at the top of the list.And Bloodman is the only Spriggan other than Neinhart who couldn't take down a fighter in Base.Bloodman used so many curses but couldn't take down Base Gajeel.He has some deadly hax curses.

 

[Char]

The reason Brandish couldn't beat him is because she lacks phyiscal strength.

This is a wild (and flawed at that) guess of yours. Brandish couldn't use her magic against him, it has nothing to do with physical strength.

Do you expect her to trade blows with Neinhart? No.

Uhh.. why, exactly? Most women in this anime can fight...

Natsu didn't accidentally one shot bluenotestinger.

Yes he did. He wanted to test his strength but it turned out that he used an attack sligthly too poweful that instantaneously KOed him.

Gildarts one shotted bluenotestinger as well.

Not quite.

They weren't using magic in their fight, Gildarts used one crash infused punch and demolished him.

Not true.

No, Natsu being able to break a mountain is different from his spell being as large as a mountain.

This makes no sense whatsoever, no matter how you look at it. It's not like a crash net enveloped the mountain and it crashed, it was a punch of Glidartz imbued in crash what destroyed a mountain. As for Natsu, his aura heat combined with a massive punch.

Gildarts can break Natsus spell with ease,

Probably not, especially now that Mashima wants to hype him too much..

and throw multiple mountain busting punches.

I agree that Glidartz can throw multiple mountain busting punches but you need to understand it's but an assumption because he hasn't done so yet.

Natsu doesn't have that speed, show me feats.

Too lazy now hehe but honestly, even if he hasn't shown poof speed, does it make him slower than Wendy? clearly not. In any case, he hasn't needed his true speed, he'll use it when he needs it, probably. Maybe Mashima decides he's faster than light

It's not debatable, Natsu clearly missed.

That movement on Neinhart's head is odd for a dodge. Also he says "Guaaahn" as if he had received damage. But maybe he dodged. Whatever.


My S12 Ranking:
1.August
2.Irene
3.Larcade
4.Dimaria
5.God Serena
6.Enhanced Neinhart
7.Brandish
8.Wahl
9.Bradman
10.Invel
11.Ajeel
12.Lessio
13.Neinhart

 

[Dranzer]

My Spriggan 12 Rankings

1. The King of Magic
2. The Scarlet Despair
3. White Dragneel
4. The Hybrid Theory
5. The Valyrie
6. The Adjudicator
7. The Winter General
8. The Sand King
9. The Land Demolisher
10. The Grim Reaper
11. The Assassin
12. Neinhart (doesn't deserve an epithet )

 

[Ebony Maw]

And Bloodman is the only Spriggan other than Neinhart who couldn't take down a fighter in Base.Bloodman used so many curses but couldn't take down Base Gajeel.He has some deadly hax curses.

To be fair he was absolutely fodderizing base Gajeel, he wasn't even using his most impressive curses either (tbh there was heavy CIS in that fight), he could have used:

- Sensation Curse to steal his senses and enhance his pain
- Enhancement to make himself stronger
- Macro (Bradman's CP should be > Gajeel's MP)
- Absorption Curse

Even without these the fight was reaching it's close with Bradman on top, piercing Gajeel's abdomen with a thorn, the only reason Gajeel survived that fight was because he entered DF at the last stages. Had Gajeel not ate the MBP's he'd be dead. Besides, the only reason Gajeel lasted that long is because of his Iron Lungs, anyone else would have been half chocking to death on MPB's like Bill. On top of that Levy helped him in his fight, freeing him from the Second Seal and Tenchi Kamei.

With all of the above being said it isn't fair to place Bradman low just because he didn't beat Gajeel, he was absolutely dominating him throughout the entire fight until he entered DF and even then he only won because he altered the property of his magic, meaning that regular DF Gajeel would likely not be able to hit Bradman. If anything Bradman has had one of the best Spriggan displays, he fodderized his opponents and lost at the very end and still could have killed one with his kamikaze attack.


My rankings at the moment are:

1) August
2) Irene
3) Larcade
4) DiMaria
5) God Serena
6) Brandish/Wahl/Bradman
7) Brandish/Wahl/Bradman
8) Brandish/Wahl/Bradman
9) Invel (Due to the rainment)
10) Ajeel
11) Jacob
12) Neinhart

I'm not sure where to place Brandish so I'm waiting and I think Wahl and Bradman are interchangeable.

 

[Arjuna]

If i remember correctly did not Jellal blow up a mountain while casting his Sema on OS in Tartaros Arc.

To be fair he was absolutely fodderizing base Gajeel, he wasn't even using his most impressive curses either (tbh there was heavy CIS in that fight), he could have used:

- Sensation Curse to steal his senses and enhance his pain
- Enhancement to make himself stronger
- Macro (Bradman's CP should be > Gajeel's MP)
- Absorption Curse

Even without these the fight was reaching it's close with Bradman on top, piercing Gajeel's abdomen with a thorn, the only reason Gajeel survived that fight was because he entered DF at the last stages. Had Gajeel not ate the MBP's he'd be dead. Besides, the only reason Gajeel lasted that long is because of his Iron Lungs, anyone else would have been half chocking to death on MPB's like Bill. On top of that Levy helped him in his fight, freeing him from the Second Seal and Tenchi Kamei.

With all of the above being said it isn't fair to place Bradman low just because he didn't beat Gajeel, he was absolutely dominating him throughout the entire fight until he entered DF and even then he only won because he altered the property of his magic, meaning that regular DF Gajeel would likely not be able to hit Bradman. If anything Bradman has had one of the best Spriggan displays, he fodderized his opponents and lost at the very end and still could have killed one with his kamikaze attack.


My rankings at the moment are:

1) August
2) Irene
3) Larcade
4) DiMaria
5) God Serena
6) Brandish/Wahl/Bradman/Invel
7) Brandish/Wahl/Bradman/Invel
8) Brandish/Wahl/Bradman/Invel
9) Invel
10) Ajeel
11) Jacob
12) Neinhart

I'm not sure where to place Brandish so I'm waiting and I think Wahl and Bradman are interchangeable.

To be honest Bloodman couldn't dominate him like Ajeel or God Serena.He dominated him no doubt but Gajeel could fight back.He casted many curses(apart from Sensation or Macro) but none of them could permanently take down Base Gajeel.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'm liking the epithet usage.

Spriggan ranks. If on the same line it means equal-ish
1) August, Irene,
2) Larcade
3) DiMaria, Brandish, God Serena, Wall, Invel
4) Ajeel, Jacob, Bloodman, Neinhart

Ajeel is probably good enough to be with Invel, but the latter has Ice Slave/Lock that give him that utility edge. I put Brandish on Dim's level because that's my guess - that they're about the same.

Edit: I will say there's not much in it between group 3 and 4. Could easily just make it one group.