Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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List of people (not all) who've used their hax on people stronger or would've work on people stronger than them if they didn't counter them.

Marin -> Jacob
Larcade -> Irene
Cobra -> August
Cobra -> Natsu
Cobra -> Erza
Midnight -> Erza
Evergreen -> Erza
Sting -> Natsu
Mary -> Lucy
Irene -> Acnologia
F.Rogue -> Seven Dragons
Evergreen -> Rusty Rose
Freed -> Makarov
Aria -> Makarov
Mest -> Brandish
Mest -> Gildarts
Aria -> Natsu
Bixlow -> Rusty Rose
Tempester -> Laxus
Racer -> Erza
Racer -> Jellal
Brandish -> August
Makarov -> All of Grimiore Heart.
Marin -> Lucy
Marin -> Erza
Mystogan -> Erza (the guy doesn't even have MP lol)
Wendy -> TO Sherria
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@Dr. Monty I would counter but the mods have spoken so I won't go against the ruling.
 

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It was never implied that Dimaria lost Chronos like it wasn't implied at all. Wendy and Brandish never used magic on Natsu while in his E.N.D state, also you say that means August, Irene, Zeref and Acnologia would be able to move freely in her time stop? You realize they all probably can or they'd be helpless against Dimaria when they're all either portrayed/stated to be above Dimaria.
Chelia's magic "forced" Chronos out of her. Whether it's permanent or not hasn't been shown yet. August knows most, if not all, types of magic, so he'd obviously have a deterrent like age seal. Zeref studied in Mildian, so he probably knows time magic as well. Not sure about Irene since she's been shown to be susceptible to her fellow Spriggans' magics. And Acnologia hasn't been shown to have any discipline in any other form of magic than his basic dragon slaying magic.
 
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gods slayers could beat Beerus lol
God Slaying magic only works in the same way as long as it's used in the FT universe. The rules of one series can't really meld with that of another so you can't really say that... at least not seriously.
 

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Wtf is "Darkness" gray? I keep seeing that term being thrown around. The gray who beat invel was base gray. Stop trying to downplay him.
 

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Chelia's magic "forced" Chronos out of her. Whether it's permanent or not hasn't been shown yet. August knows most, if not all, types of magic, so he'd obviously have a deterrent like age seal. Zeref studied in Mildian, so he probably knows time magic as well. Not sure about Irene since she's been shown to be susceptible to her fellow Spriggans' magics. And Acnologia hasn't been shown to have any discipline in any other form of magic than his basic dragon slaying magic.
Chronos is probably alive.After all Dimaria had said her ability to manipulate time comes from Chronos himself and she has shown that she retains the ability to use Age Seal even now.


Zeref knows Time magic but even without Time Magic he is immune to Age Seal.Dimaria hinted that anybody stronger than Chronos can bypass Age Seal.
 

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i'm sorry being rude yesterday but what i said about Natsu it's the truth. I've know him a longtime and FT series, i'm sorry August and Irene are getting one-shot by him cuz' this is FT , villains start getting OP and then in the end are being fodders. When this will happen all of you be disappointed , just like in chapters ago about God Serena , Invel , Dimaria , Avatar members , Neinhart etc spriggan member and the war god. It will happen to Acnologia and END just using hype tools for nothing.
 

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^Bruh, if you truly believe that Natsu is going to one shot August and Irene then I have little faith in you as a human. But, there's a chance you're being sarcastic so I won't lose faith in you just yet.

Anyway, I want you peeps to rank these top tier characters:

Pantherlily
Romeo
Lissana
Levy
Jet
Droy
Ren
Hibiki
Eve
Max
Warren
Neinheart
 

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No they haven't bro. The magic users have fudged over the JL countless times with their hax. Shoving the weight of universe inside a mind is not mind controlling in anyway or shape. Supes got mind controlled because he didn't have counter our builded a resistance which is why he got overpowered by a human with mere mind controlling powers. Energy manipulation? How is that a hax?

You were right Supes had resisted transmutation I meant to say Diana hasn't.

Telepathy can be countered yeah if you have mental resistance or telepathy but if you don't you're getting mind raped fast.

Just look at SDS the Commandments all are weaker than Escanor yet all their haxes work on him.
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You literally show me DBS. I showed you a multitude of other shows that counteract it and told you about the outliers in DBZ. I even showed you in FTverse examples that shows hax trump power lol.

So my examples don't matter but yours do? Lol, okay use your one example from a show that has no form of logic whatsoever. Nice counterargument.

And you're lucky spoilers are preventing me from talking about it. What I can talk about is that just bcs he's has hype doesn't mean he'll live up to top 3. It could be like the time Jeimma was stated to be top 9D yet he was considerably weaker than even the mid tier 9Ds.

Hax needs a counter or resistance. In every other fictional form but DBZ has shown this. You'd be surprised how much hax from literal fodder tier (in power) characters can destroy even top tier characters.

Yes but those outliers in the series are ruled outliers because they don't tend to correlate well with the verse equalization rule.
So you basically spouting the same nonsense as the last post. A whole series can't be an outlier so I'll take this as you conceding this point. As for Jiemma, if he was stated to be stronger than all of the 9D and nothing contradicts that, who says he is weaker? This is literally you taking your personal perfence>Manga statements. Nice try, bring a better argument next time :)
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Chelia's magic "forced" Chronos out of her. Whether it's permanent or not hasn't been shown yet. August knows most, if not all, types of magic, so he'd obviously have a deterrent like age seal. Zeref studied in Mildian, so he probably knows time magic as well. Not sure about Irene since she's been shown to be susceptible to her fellow Spriggans' magics. And Acnologia hasn't been shown to have any discipline in any other form of magic than his basic dragon slaying magic.
Chelia's magic 'forced' her out of it for like one panel and she was fully back into the transformation in the next couple of panels. You can't beat a type of magic out of someone. Irrelevant, by that logic Diamria is >Acno and Irene (Which I have seen someone say)
 

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^Bruh, if you truly believe that Natsu is going to one shot August and Irene then I have little faith in you as a human. But, there's a chance you're being sarcastic so I won't lose faith in you just yet.

Anyway, I want you peeps to rank these top tier characters:

Pantherlily
Romeo
Lissana
Levy
Jet
Droy
Ren
Hibiki
Eve
Max
Warren
Neinheart
Ichiya..... (fight me) :whistle:handgun
Neinhart
Hibiki
Ren
Eve
Pantherlily
Levy
Lisanna
Romeo
Warren
Max
Jet
Droy

I call this squad: "Ishgar's Finest Warriors + 1 Spriggan".

Or "The True Gods of Ishgar".
 

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Anyway, I want you peeps to rank these top tier characters:

Pantherlily
Romeo
Lissana
Levy
Jet
Droy
Ren
Hibiki
Eve
Max
Warren
Neinheart
  • Lisanna
  • Romeo
  • Levy
  • Pantherlily
  • Neinhart
  • Max
  • Ren
  • Eve
  • Hibiki
  • Jet
  • Warren
  • Droy
 

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Anyway, I want you peeps to rank these top tier characters:

Pantherlily
Romeo
Lissana
Levy
Jet
Droy
Ren
Hibiki
Eve
Max
Warren
Neinheart
Neinhart.
Pantherlily/Max
Levy/Eve/Ren
Lisanna/Jet/Droy/Romeo
Warren/Hibiki

Despite being underrated by most Neinhart is still a Spriggan, and therefore leagues above everyone else on this list. Max and Pantherlily put up a decent fight against pre-second origin Natsu and Gajeel, so and that's also above everyone else on this list. Levy, Eve, and Ren would all be on Milliana's level (qualifies as a captain of the rune knights). Lisanna, Jet, Droy, and Romeo all have nothing remarkable under their belts, so I would say they're your average mages. Warren only has telepathy, and Hibiki scored 94 on the MPF which is lower than a fodder from Quatro Ceberus. An alvarez footsoldier can probably take them, and so I consider them both fodders.
 
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Acnologia (Dragon Force)
Igneel

Zeref
Natsu (Igneel's power)

August
Irene
Larcade
Sting (?)

Laxus
Gildarts
Natsu
Gray
Gajeel (kurogane mode)
Jellal
Sting (?)

Erza
God Serena
Dimaria
Bloodman
Ajeel
Invel
Brandish
Neinhart
Jacob
Chelia

Hyperion
Wolfheim
Warrod
Jura

Kagura
Mirajane
Rogue
Minerva
Lucy
I like that set-up you have going.

It's hard to place people, power-wise, in this series. People fluctuate power so often. Someone you think is strong enough to handle another gets beat and vice versa. Good example, Larcade v.s. Sting. Larcade being one of the top 3 mages in the world (save Zeref & Acnologia) and Sting being, well, Sting. He's a very powerful mage, don't get me wrong, but NONE of us would rank Sting that high up in terms of power. Another thing, is that it's also hard to place them because the magic usage. Sting can eat Larcade's magic & Gildarts shattering God Serena's magic are example of this. Also, I don't know if I'd put God Serena below group below these characters:
Laxus
Gildarts
Natsu
Gray
Gajeel (kurogane mode)
Jellal
Sting (?)
I say that because God Serena was a Historia by the time he fought Gildarts and even then (may not be much but it IS something) bruised him up a nice bit WITHOUT being able to use DS Magic. I'm not saying he's not TWS level because only a fool would, but I wouldn't rank him in the group with the people you have him in and Goddy be below them. He wiped out the GOI+Jura and wasn't using his all then, and you have the GOI+Jura ranked below God Serena (which I definitely agree with).

That's some of the reasons I think it's hard to place people when it comes to power scaling in this manga.

Heck! I miss some good ol' DBZ power levels. At least then you KNEW what's what. HAHA!
 

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I like that set-up you have going.

It's hard to place people, power-wise, in this series. People fluctuate power so often. Someone you think is strong enough to handle another gets beat and vice versa. Good example, Larcade v.s. Sting. Larcade being one of the top 3 mages in the world (save Zeref & Acnologia) and Sting being, well, Sting. He's a very powerful mage, don't get me wrong, but NONE of us would rank Sting that high up in terms of power. Another thing, is that it's also hard to place them because the magic usage. Sting can eat Larcade's magic & Gildarts shattering God Serena's magic are example of this. Also, I don't know if I'd put God Serena below group below these characters:

I say that because God Serena was a Historia by the time he fought Gildarts and even then (may not be much but it IS something) bruised him up a nice bit WITHOUT being able to use DS Magic. I'm not saying he's not TWS level because only a fool would, but I wouldn't rank him in the group with the people you have him in and Goddy be below them. He wiped out the GOI+Jura and wasn't using his all then, and you have the GOI+Jura ranked below God Serena (which I definitely agree with).

That's some of the reasons I think it's hard to place people when it comes to power scaling in this manga.

Heck! I miss some good ol' DBZ power levels. At least then you KNEW what's what. HAHA!
Admittedly, my assessment of Sting is incomplete. If he beats Larcade, then he should at least be on the whole Natsu-Gray-Gajeel complex. Characters on that level can defeat your average Spriggan 12 member with relative ease. Even if Larcade's magic is less effective against Sting, I think its safe to say that Sting's attacks do not inflict extra damage against Larcade. Attacks that would take out Larcade should take down any other Spriggan imo.

My ranking of God Serena might change if it turns out that August has salvaged Serena's dragon slaying lacryma, and uses them in an upcoming battle. Fingers crossed, but for now I have him with the rest of the Spriggans.
 

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Admittedly, my assessment of Sting is incomplete. If he beats Larcade, then he should at least be on the whole Natsu-Gray-Gajeel complex. Characters on that level can defeat your average Spriggan 12 member with relative ease. Even if Larcade's magic is less effective against Sting, I think its safe to say that Sting's attacks do not inflict extra damage against Larcade. Attacks that would take out Larcade should take down any other Spriggan imo.

My ranking of God Serena might change if it turns out that August has salvaged Serena's dragon slaying lacryma, and uses them in an upcoming battle. Fingers crossed, but for now I have him with the rest of the Spriggans.
Actually Gray and Gajeel can't defeat a Spriggan with ease. Heck it is arguable if they can defeat a Spriggan on a regular basis. Gray would have been easily defeated by Invel if not for Juvia saving his life.

Ice Lock>>>>Gray

Gajeel couldn't even land a hit on Bradman until he absorbed a portion of Bradman power and even then he was damn near defeated also if not for Irene Universe One saving him.


I look at the Spriggan fights this way:

No Lucy means that Natsu+Mavis+113 Guild members would have been easily defeated by Jacob. Without Lucy negating Jacobs Spacial magic/Stealth Magic, Natsu would have lost.

No Ultear means Wendy/Chelia wouldn't even be able to scratch Dimaria. Without Ultear helping Chelia and Co move through time and then proceeding to give Chelia Third Origin no one in the south would have been able to even stand up against her.

Nienheart in the south was giving basically the whole south a high difficulty fight. That includes Gray/Lyon//Erza/Kagura/Laxus/Wendy/Meredy/Juvia.

No Brandish being Nakamafied means instant destruction for Ishgar.

No Juvia healing Gray means death for both Gray and Juvia at the hand of Invel.

No Levy means Gajeel would have been defeated at the hands of Bradman.

No Rogue means Sting wouldn't be able to hope to beat Lacrade. Also if Lacrade didn't use Light magic, Sting would stand zero chance.

Here is the problem with powerscaling.

1. Characters are being nerfed:
2. Characters aren't being utilized to their full potential
3. Battle matchups in which Character B as a counter to character A magic.



Like Nienheart is by some people standards the weakest Spriggan but I have to strongly disagree with that. If Nienheart used his power to the full extent he could have easily wiped out Ishgar by himself.

Like Hades could have cast Grimore Law against Ishgar. He could have summoned all the 9DG, Zancrow, Ur, Deloria, etc. Nienhearts power wasn't being utilized to the fullest.

Then you have people like Kagura/Lucy who tend to get nerfed. In the GMG you have Kagura unsheathed sword damn near slice a city in half. Her unshealthed sword in the current arc is barely slicing hills. Then you had Lucy who in Chapter 1, Aquarius could easily throw a 5 ton ship into port but in chapter 384 struggles to push Jackal, a 218lb max, demon back.

Then you have Ultear who can counter Dimaria time magic or Sting who can eat Larcades Light magic.
 

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So you basically spouting the same nonsense as the last post. A whole series can't be an outlier so I'll take this as you conceding this point. As for Jiemma, if he was stated to be stronger than all of the 9D and nothing contradicts that, who says he is weaker? This is literally you taking your personal perfence>Manga statements. Nice try, bring a better argument next time :)
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Chelia's magic 'forced' her out of it for like one panel and she was fully back into the transformation in the next couple of panels. You can't beat a type of magic out of someone. Irrelevant, by that logic Diamria is >Acno and Irene (Which I have seen someone say)
Stuff in a series can be considered an outlier.

Jeimma so stronger than the actual 9d...not. Lol, Jeimma was fodder bro. He wasnt even on Jackal's level let alone top 3 9D. Feats >>> baseless statements.

Also DiMaria was getting her God Soul undone. You can clearly see she getting pushed back into her regular forms when they were fighting. She was only half way in God Soul by the time Sherria ended with her secret art.
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^Bruh, if you truly believe that Natsu is going to one shot August and Irene then I have little faith in you as a human. But, there's a chance you're being sarcastic so I won't lose faith in you just yet.

Anyway, I want you peeps to rank these top tier characters:

Pantherlily
Romeo
Lissana
Levy
Jet
Droy
Ren
Hibiki
Eve
Max
Warren
Neinheart
Romeologia
Neinhart
Pantherlily >= Max/Lisanna
Levy
Ren/Eve
Jet/Droy
Hibiki
Warren
 

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Actually Gray and Gajeel can't defeat a Spriggan with ease. Heck it is arguable if they can defeat a Spriggan on a regular basis. Gray would have been easily defeated by Invel if not for Juvia saving his life.

Ice Lock>>>>Gray
Ice Lock would not have defeated Gray had Juvia not been there. She did not save his life. She just fixed the problem that she created.

Gajeel couldn't even land a hit on Bradman until he absorbed a portion of Bradman power and even then he was damn near defeated also if not for Irene Universe One saving him.
Gajeel eating Bloodman's MBP's was nonsense. I still stand by that. But it doesn't change the fact that DF Gajeel has enough power to overwhelm Bloodman. I agree that he would've died had Eileen not used Universe One but this is what I call plot convenience.

I look at the Spriggan fights this way:

No Lucy means that Natsu+Mavis+113 Guild members would have been easily defeated by Jacob. Without Lucy negating Jacobs Spacial magic/Stealth Magic, Natsu would have lost.

No Ultear means Wendy/Chelia wouldn't even be able to scratch Dimaria. Without Ultear helping Chelia and Co move through time and then proceeding to give Chelia Third Origin no one in the south would have been able to even stand up against her.

Nienheart in the south was giving basically the whole south a high difficulty fight. That includes Gray/Lyon//Erza/Kagura/Laxus/Wendy/Meredy/Juvia.

No Brandish being Nakamafied means instant destruction for Ishgar.

No Juvia healing Gray means death for both Gray and Juvia at the hand of Invel.

No Levy means Gajeel would have been defeated at the hands of Bradman.

No Rogue means Sting wouldn't be able to hope to beat Lacrade. Also if Lacrade didn't use Light magic, Sting would stand zero chance.
Most of these examples aren't really associated with power ranking. They have more to do with plot conveniences, poor match-ups, and hax (or broken magic). Powerscaling is basically assessing a character's stats which actually makes sense as long as you know what is consistent and what is not. So using your examples...

No Lucy means that Natsu+Mavis+113 Guild members would have been easily defeated by Jacob. Without Lucy negating Jacobs Spacial magic/Stealth Magic, Natsu would have lost.
Natsu should be ranked higher than Jacob because he has enough attack power power to put him down when using FDKM. Plus, he was restricted in the guild hall.

No Ultear means Wendy/Chelia wouldn't even be able to scratch Dimaria. Without Ultear helping Chelia and Co move through time and then proceeding to give Chelia Third Origin no one in the south would have been able to even stand up against her.
Third Origin Chelia should be ranked higher than Dimaria because her atttack power exceeds that of Dimaria's durability which is why she was able to beat her. Age Seal was countered by Ultear because Hiro Mashima had no other way of fixing his mistake in giving her hax magic.

Nienheart in the south was giving basically the whole south a high difficulty fight. That includes Gray/Lyon//Erza/Kagura/Laxus/Wendy/Meredy/Juvia.
Neinhart is ranked lower than most characters because his durability is somewhat low. The fact is that he can be one-shotted.

No Brandish being Nakamafied means instant destruction for Ishgar.
Brandish is ranked pretty low because of her poor durability and magic restrictions.

No Juvia healing Gray means death for both Gray and Juvia at the hand of Invel.
Gray is ranked higher than Invel because he has the attack power to defeat someone of Invel's caliber. Again, Juvia had to heal Gray because her presence was the cause of Gray's death to begin with.

No Levy means Gajeel would have been defeated at the hands of Bradman.
Going strictly off of power levels, Gajeel has slightly better stats than Bloodman. His Dragon Force has enough attack power to take him down.

No Rogue means Sting wouldn't be able to hope to beat Lacrade. Also if Lacrade didn't use Light magic, Sting would stand zero chance.
This is true. I agree that without Rogue, Sting would be helpless against Larcade.

As you pointed out, there are other conditions to consider when looking at specific match-ups. That is a different story. What I explained above only has to do with power rankings (and again, it makes sense). But what you are talking about is more realistic and I agree. Without those characters, the others would have lost. That is why I dislike plot conveniences.

Here is the problem with powerscaling.

1. Characters are being nerfed:
2. Characters aren't being utilized to their full potential
3. Battle matchups in which Character B as a counter to character A magic.
Personally, I think this more of a problem with consistency and plot. Powerscaling is can be affected by this but if you can distinguish what is consistent and what is not, then this shouldn't really be a problem.

Like Nienheart is by some people standards the weakest Spriggan but I have to strongly disagree with that. If Nienheart used his power to the full extent he could have easily wiped out Ishgar by himself.

Like Hades could have cast Grimore Law against Ishgar. He could have summoned all the 9DG, Zancrow, Ur, Deloria, etc. Nienhearts power wasn't being utilized to the fullest.

Then you have people like Kagura/Lucy who tend to get nerfed. In the GMG you have Kagura unsheathed sword damn near slice a city in half. Her unshealthed sword in the current arc is barely slicing hills. Then you had Lucy who in Chapter 1, Aquarius could easily throw a 5 ton ship into port but in chapter 384 struggles to push Jackal, a 218lb max, demon back.

Then you have Ultear who can counter Dimaria time magic or Sting who can eat Larcades Light magic.
Neinhart is the weakest Spriggan because of his poor stats. Yes, his magic is useful, but it can be countered in so many ways; hence, he isn't as strong as his fellow Spriggans.

Hades cannot just cast Grimoire Law because that would make the storyline non-existent. It is pretty much the same as Makarov casting Fairy Law to defeat all of Alvarez. I'm pretty sure neither of us would like that. As for Neinhart's historias, there is only so many characters he can bring back because he is also limited in terms of MP.

Kagura and Lucy are definitely nerfed.Kagura more-so than Lucy (in my opinion). But that is mainly because they don't have many feats. As for the ship and Jackal, this manga is based on magic. Since Jackal has more MP than a ship (which has none), it is reasonable why he wouldn't just fly away along with Aquarius' attack. I question logic a lot but there are some things that aren't realistic; therefore, it cannot be compared to real life.

Ultear and Sting are just counters to Dimaria and Larcade which I find to be very convenient. I dislike it too but it is what it is.
 

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Stuff in a series can be considered an outlier.

Jeimma so stronger than the actual 9d...not. Lol, Jeimma was fodder bro. He wasnt even on Jackal's level let alone top 3 9D. Feats >>> baseless statements.

Also DiMaria was getting her God Soul undone. You can clearly see she getting pushed back into her regular forms when they were fighting. She was only half way in God Soul by the time Sherria ended with her secret art.
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Romeologia
Neinhart
Pantherlily >= Max/Lisanna
Levy
Ren/Eve
Jet/Droy
Hibiki
Warren
You said the WHOL SERIES was an outlier nor does this qualify as one.

Mard's statements were not baseless you have yet to prove that. You jut say his fodder because that's your personal opinion, sorry to break it to you. Statment>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(you get the point your opinion don't mean shit) Your opinion

Dimaria was punched, some of the takeover came out and then in the next panel she was full back into her takeover. You can't beat the takeover out of someone.
 

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You said the WHOL SERIES was an outlier nor does this qualify as one.

Mard's statements were not baseless you have yet to prove that. You jut say his fodder because that's your personal opinion, sorry to break it to you. Statment>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(you get the point your opinion don't mean shit) Your opinion

Dimaria was punched, some of the takeover came out and then in the next panel she was full back into her takeover. You can't beat the takeover out of someone.
I never meant the series...

Mard was a known liar and his credibility is garbage. The statement was baseless and not backed up whatsoever. Feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Statements. It's not my opinion Jeimma sucked it's a fact as his feats were trash. He got beat by two people weaker than base Natsu and you're telling me he's above Jackal let alone the top 3 9D?

You can clearly see after she tries to regain takeover she gets push out of the full form resulting in a half and half form. Also it was Sherria's GS magic undoing it not her fists.
 
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