Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Firepower]

How can he concentrate on amping his magic when their a seal that block his magic from being used? If he has no magic to concentrate towards strengthening then he can't strengthen his magic.

What? Just bcs the other DS didn't do good doesn't mean they're all on the same level. With this kind of thought that's like saying Gajeel is as strong as Laxus bcs they both were ineffective to dragon which obviously he wasn't.

I don't get your entire first sentence so can you explain again? Cobra is the same strength as the OS arc and their was nothing to suggest they trained in prison (it would be stupid of the magic council to allow them to have their prisoners get stronger anywaylol).

OS were still conscious after the attack and he needed Grand Chariot combined with Sema to take them out. It wouldn't really make sense if Jura was knocked unconscious by Sema when severely weaker opponents weren't.

Current Jellal is strength is still unknown is true but with what he's got currently he doesn't look like he's on Laxus level. I don't really care to get into a long tedious debate but if someone makes it I'll put in my thoughts on the matter.

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That's wrong on so many level. Racer would get smashed by any main GMG character in any stat let alone him blitzing a Spriggan. That guy was guy couldn't even blitz pre-1st TS Erza even with the help of 2 other OS members and you really think blitzing him is greater than blitzing a Spriggan?

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Jellal knocked all the seis down and they thought he was going to kill them. Regardless if the seis trained or not, obviously they were still relevant with Cobra doing just as well as the other ds against dragons. If Wendy fought Zirconis alone until Natsu broke the time gate she'd be dead. I don't remeber Cobra being that vulnerable against his dragon. If he was a s weak as Max with dsm he'd be dead from attempting to fight a dragon. Again you are proving very little. I don't remeber the seis being in a cube the same way Jellal was. Every time Mest needs Cobra he sees him in a prison with bars. You still haven't proven anything. You don't give the full credit of Jellal. Therefore you're not making the clearest of answers. None of the ds did better than anyone. Wendy at the time was weak. The others did equally as well fighting dragons, including Cobra. If you are stuck on prison talk, pay more attention to how he actually did instead of wasting time about other stuff. I'm not gonna say Cobra is on currently on the level of Natsu because he is not, but if you won't accept the fact that Cobra did just as good as the other ds against the dragons then you as you've already proved are biased and won't acknowledge the strength of both guys to give a honest matchup. Therefore you are wrong. Downplay the sema that was about the same size as Laxus nuke on Ajeel? Unless Jellal did nothing during the skip you got nothing.

Discrediting characters don't result in accurate strength levels. Sorry to break it to you. And in all honesty those two will be eternal rivals unless they actually fight. And even after Jellal shows his power this arc, I doubt there will be a true answer on strength. Favoritism, hype and character demeanor(overconfidence) will likely be the only things that will sway the decision on who's greater. Just as it is now. That's why I said from the beginning that this argument is too early to be talked about. Discrediting one of them for past feats only proves you got no solid answer. Keep it up though, your talk that about Cobra being weaker than Max is hilarious.

Anyone else think Max was stronger than Cobra in the gmg arc? jko thinks he was. Get your ranking together and stop making excuses. Give me a real debate. And do it after Jellal shows his capacity. Until then this is a waste of time on which one is greater, like I said from the start.

 

[Arjuna]

People seem to forget that OS members had escaped the prison and became stronger in KEY OF THE STARRY ARC a Semi Canon Arc.Hiro himself confirmed that.

 

[Loke]

I will just ignore this. In the end, all your claims are based on the fact that you're a fan from Laxus.

In the end you're simply choosing to ignore what you can't refute.

 

[BluePegasus]

Yes, he is. He kept up with Laxus and would kill Racer with a regular missile which Racer wouldn't even be able to perceive the attack. Heck his proxy could kill Racer so fast Racer wouldn't even known the battle has started lol. Where are you getting Racer is one of the fastest in the universe? Inb4 Racer could blitz Acnologia.

Do you know what Racer's magic is anyway? Well, he can slow time. Racer would just slower time so he can dodge Wahl's missles with ease. I don't really get why you just can't understand that Racer's speed is really high. I mean, his magic actually is speed.

 

[Kiki]

People seem to forget that OS members had escaped the prison and became stronger in KEY OF THE STARRY ARC a Semi Canon Arc.Hiro himself confirmed that.

For those who doubted this reply, this is the panel Mashima-sensei confirmed that Oracion Seis did escape. I hope this is enough to convince.

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And Mashima-sensei confirmed again in Jellal vs Oracion Seis. Jellal said Solano learned new magic. I think it's impossible if Solano learned it when she was in the jail, because they can't use magic in that jail. The jail doesn't allow a mage to use magic. So Solano learned it when she escaped with the rest in The Keys of Starry Heavens arc.

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[Jko]

People seem to forget that OS members had escaped the prison and became stronger in KEY OF THE STARRY ARC a Semi Canon Arc.Hiro himself confirmed that.

Semi-canon is the key word. If you forgot FT never fought OS nor did OS breakout. The only thing that was canon was the reduce in celestial wizards.

Jellal knocked all the seis down and they thought he was going to kill them. Regardless if the seis trained or not, obviously they were still relevant with Cobra doing just as well as the other ds against dragons. If Wendy fought Zirconis alone until Natsu broke the time gate she'd be dead. I don't remeber Cobra being that vulnerable against his dragon. If he was a s weak as Max with dsm he'd be dead from attempting to fight a dragon. Again you are proving very little. I don't remeber the seis being in a cube the same way Jellal was. Every time Mest needs Cobra he sees him in a prison with bars. You still haven't proven anything. You don't give the full credit of Jellal. Therefore you're not making the clearest of answers. None of the ds did better than anyone. Wendy at the time was weak. The others did equally as well fighting dragons, including Cobra. If you are stuck on prison talk, pay more attention to how he actually did instead of wasting time about other stuff. I'm not gonna say Cobra is on currently on the level of Natsu because he is not, but if you won't accept the fact that Cobra did just as good as the other ds against the dragons then you as you've already proved are biased and won't acknowledge the strength of both guys to give a honest matchup. Therefore you are wrong. Downplay the sema that was about the same size as Laxus nuke on Ajeel? Unless Jellal did nothing during the skip you got nothing.

He knocked out 4 out of six with that Spell which isn't noteworthy as they're all weak in comparison to 1st TS characters. Doesn't matter if they're relevant they were still weak bcs they didn't train. He put Cobra temporarily in that cell bcs of the incidents with Dragons and Cobra was still in that cell with Magic sealing cuffs on. How would he be dead? The Dragons cared very little about the characters that were even fighting them so once again it doesn't matter. Punching a dragon is not even a real testament to anything. You're bias for Cobra as that backs up Jellal's feat. Cobra has not shown anything to suggest he's gotten stronger and their was nothing to suggest they got a big power up especially when they were rotting in prison for seven years. Cobra ain't even on Wendy's level so can please stop trying to scale from people he can't be scaled to.

Discrediting characters don't result in accurate strength levels. Sorry to break it to you. And in all honesty those two will be eternal rivals unless they actually fight. And even after Jellal shows his power this arc, I doubt there will be a true answer on strength. Favoritism, hype and character demeanor(overconfidence) will likely be the only things that will sway the decision on who's greater. Just as it is now. That's why I said from the beginning that this argument is too early to be talked about. Discrediting one of them for past feats only proves you got no solid answer. Keep it up though, your talk that about Cobra being weaker than Max is hilarious.

Not really discrediting anyone just stating the facts that are presented. Weren't you the one who said not to go off of speculation? Bcs you're going off a lot of assumptions. I gave you pre-ts feats that trumps beating OS yet all you present is baseless assumptions that OS got stronger sitting in a jail cell. Max > Tenrou Natsu >> Cobra unless you have real feats to say Cobra was stronger then Tenrou Natsu at the time? Oh wait there isn't.

Anyone else think Max was stronger than Cobra in the gmg arc? jko thinks he was. Get your ranking together and stop making excuses. Give me a real debate. And do it after Jellal shows his capacity. Until then this is a waste of time on which one is greater, like I said from the start.

As I've stated above, Cobra couldn't even beat OS Natsu and you think he can toy around with Tenrou Natsu? As I've stated again we don't know current Jellal's strength but as the looks of it he ain't on Laxus level.

 

[Jko]

For those who doubted this reply, this is the panel Mashima-sensei confirmed that Oracion Seis did escape. I hope this is enough to convince.

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And Mashima-sensei confirmed again in Jellal vs Oracion Seis. Jellal said Solano learned new magic. I think it's impossible if Solano learned it when she was in the jail, because they can't use magic in that jail. The jail doesn't allow a mage to use magic. So Solano learned it when she escaped with the rest in The Keys of Starry Heavens arc.

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If you forgot Sorano used coins so therefore that point is invalid. Also Lucy and Natsu didn't react to Zentopia like they've been it and it would've contradicted the current timeline. The Zentopia arc is only semi-canon for a reason and they've never once stated OS broke out before or Jellal would've already been on them.

 

[Firepower]

Semi-canon is the key word. If you forgot FT never fought OS nor did OS breakout. The only thing that was canon was the reduce in celestial wizards.



He knocked out 4 out of six with that Spell which isn't noteworthy as they're all weak in comparison to 1st TS characters. Doesn't matter if they're relevant they were still weak bcs they didn't train. He put Cobra temporarily bcs of the incidents with Dragons and Cobra was still in that cell with Magic sealing cuffs on. How would he be dead? The Dragons care very little at the characters even fighting them so once again it doesn't matter if he just punched a dragon as that's not even a real testament to anything. You're bias for Cobra as that backs up Jellal's feat. Cobra has not shown anything to suggest he's gotten stronger and their was nothing to suggest they got a big power up especially when they were rotting in prison for seven years. Cobra ain't even on Wendy's level so can please stop trying to scale from people he can't be scaled to.


Not really discrediting anyone just stating the facts that are presented. Weren't you the one who said not to go off of speculation? Bcs you're going off a lot of assumptions. I gave you pre-ts feats that trumps beating OS yet all you present is baseless assumptions that OS got stronger sitting in a jail cell. Max > Tenrou Natsu >> Cobra unless you have real feats to say Cobra was stronger then Tenrou Natsu at the time? Oh wait there isn't.


As I've stated above, Cobra couldn't even beat OS Natsu and you think he can toy around with Tenrou Natsu? As I've stated again we don't know current Jellal's strength but as the looks of it he ain't on Laxus level.

Natsu did beat Cobra, by screaming. Which one of them too, a pounding in that fight? If Cobra was shit wouldn't a non ds be more effective anyway? Didn't Wnendy almost get killed from Zirconis had others not helped her? I don't remeber Cobra being in a sorry state after his fight with a dragon. He did not get his ass whooped, meaning to say again that he still had relevant strength.

You don't have to have dsm to beat a dragon if you have sufficient power. Silver froze atlas flame that killed him seconds or minutes after being melted down, the same way Deliora died soon after the ice melted off of him. If Cobra was shit then he'd have been killed by a dragon. This is so funny. Give me more reason to laugh. Max stronger than Cobra? I've heard it all. Wow you don't know when to give up. smh

 

[Jko]

Do you know what Racer's magic is anyway? Well, he can slow time. Racer would just slower time so he can dodge Wahl's missles with ease. I don't really get why you just can't understand that Racer's speed is really high. I mean, his magic actually is speed.

No he wouldn't be able to as those missiles would be too fast for him to counter nor would it matter if he could even slow down the time perception on those missile as they'd still be faster with it on either way. Racer couldn't even blitz Pre-1st-TS Erza so there is no way is slow down perception magic will even work on the Spriggan tier characters. Also his magic wasn't speed it was to slow down the perception of people's time within a certain range. Any of the S12 would blitz the entire OS before they could think. Lol, they couldn't even beat Wahl's proxy if they tried all together.

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Natsu did beat Cobra, by screaming. Which one of them too, a pounding in that fight? If Cobra was shit wouldn't a non ds be more effective anyway? Didn't Wnendy almost get killed from Zirconis had others not helped her? I don't remeber Cobra being in a sorry state after his fight with a dragon. He did not get his ass whooped, meaning to say again that he still had relevant strength.

Which one of them was at a disadvantage by motion sickness? Oh that also reminds me Natsu was a true DS at the time which already confirms Natsu was greater than Cobra even in the OS arc. No, that was Lucy bcs Zirconis was hungry. If a Dragon even tried to attack any of the DS they would be wiped out in a second. MG already proves that when he fights against Atlas (a worthy opponent to display his strength on).

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So once again punching a Dragon that didn't care about your presence in the first place is not a feat. I'm guessing you think Levy and Lisanna "surviving" against Acnologia puts her at the same tier as the Top of FT too right?

You don't have to have dsm to beat a dragon if you have sufficient power. Silver froze atlas flame that killed him seconds or minutes after being melted down, the same way Deliora died soon after the ice melted off of him. If Cobra was shit then he'd have been killed by a dragon. This is so funny. Give me more reason to laugh. Max stronger than Cobra? I've heard it all. Wow you don't know when to give up. smh

DS magic is the only way to kill a Dragon and it's been stated this many time throughout the manga. Silver froze Atlas dwindling spirit not an actually alive Atlas. Fodder weren't even killed by a Dragon and they were directly in front of them so again your point is moot. Also once again the Dragons did not care about killing the humans.

 

[Holt]

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[~Charging Lightning~]

It's not based on the fact he blitzed Jura or the Oración Seis, it's based on the fact he blitzed Racer. Racer's magic is related to speed and we all know that he probably is one of the fastest mages in the Fairy Tail universe. Blitzing someone as Racer is more impressive than blitzing a Spriggan.

There's a difference between movement speed and reaction speed. You're correct when you say that Racer is potentially one of the fastest mages in FT atm considering how good his movement speed feats are. However, there's no proof that Racer's reaction speed is just as good as his movement speed. His reaction speed feats aren't as good as Spriggan reaction speed feats hence why Laxus blitzing a Spriggan is more impressive feat wise.

Jellal never had the chance to cast Sema at stronger opponents, so we'll have to wait before we can see this.

I agree. However, this still doesn't change the fact that red lightning has better damage output feats than Sema FOR NOW.

 

[Firepower]

No he wouldn't be able to as those missiles would be too fast for him to counter nor would it matter if he could even slow down the time perception on those missile as they'd still be faster with it on either way. Racer couldn't even blitz Pre-1st-TS Erza so there is no way is slow down perception magic will even work on the Spriggan tier characters. Also his magic wasn't speed it was to slow down the perception of people's time within a certain range. Any of the S12 would blitz the entire OS before they could think. Lol, they couldn't even beat Wahl's proxy if they tried all together.

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Which one of them was at a disadvantage by motion sickness? Oh that also reminds me Natsu was a true DS at the time which already confirms Natsu was greater than Cobra even in the OS arc. No, that was Lucy bcs Zirconis was hungry. If a Dragon even tried to attack any of the DS they would be wiped out in a second. MG already proves that when he fights against Atlas (a worthy opponent to display his strength on).

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So once again punching a Dragon that didn't care about your presence in the first place is not a feat. I'm guessing you think Levy and Lisanna "surviving" against Acnologia puts her at the same tier as the Top of FT too right?


DS magic is the only way to kill a Dragon and it's been stated this many time throughout the manga. Silver froze Atlas spirit not Atlas himself. Fodder weren't even killed by a Dragon and they were directly in front of them so again your point is moot. Also once again the Dragons did not care about killing the humans.

The only dragon that didn't try to harm a slayer was Rogue's dragon and the ones that future rogue and Natsu were on. One of the dumbest arguments I've been in. Sema is weak and then Cobra is weaker than Max? Really, it's getting harder to take this seriously. I'm not sure this is worth my time. Fodder weren't killed because they had strong fast mages there to keep them safe. The funniest debater I've met. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Jko]

The only dragon that didn't try to harm a slayer was Rogue's dragon and the ones that future rogue and Natsu were on. One of the dumbest arguments I've been in. Sema is weak and then Cobra is weaker than Max? Really, it's getting harder to take this seriously. I'm not sure this is worth my time. Fodder weren't killed because they had strong fast mages there to keep them safe. The funniest debater I've met. Thanks for the laugh.

Dragons see human as insects that's why they like to play around with them. Would you ever show insects any of your real power? Like I've stated before the Dragons did not care about the Slayers or they would just wiped them out like MG did to those mountains. Sema doesn't have a feat of beating high caliber opponents so no I don't believe it just a top spell just from just the looks alone. How do you think the top tiers can actually protect the fodder when they are fodder to the Dragons themselves? Makarov didn't even make Atlas flinch and you really think the Dragons were straight up bloodlusted against them? C'mon bro the Dragons would have wiped out the mages and the city rather easily if they tried as much as the would if they were fighting another Dragon just like MG vs Atlas. Once again punching a dragon is not a feat.

 

[Firepower]

Dragons see human as insects that's why they like to play around with them. Would you ever show insects any of your real power? Like I've stated before the Dragons did not care about the Slayers or they would just wiped them out like MG did to those mountains. Sema doesn't have a feat of beating high caliber opponents so no I don't believe it just a top spell just from just the looks alone. How do you think the top tiers can actually protect the fodder when they are fodder to the Dragons themselves? Makarov didn't even make Atlas flinch and you really think the Dragons were straight up bloodlusted against them? C'mon bro the Dragons would have wiped out the mages and the city rather easily if they tried as much as the would if they were fighting another Dragon just like MG vs Atlas. Once again punching a dragon is not a feat.

No dear. Acnologia sees people as insects due to his strength. Not all dragons think that way. Thanks for the laughs. As much as I'd like to entertain this, come back and give your say after Jellal shows how strong or weak he is this arc. Peace

 

[Arjuna]

Semi-canon is the key word. If you forgot FT never fought OS nor did OS breakout. The only thing that was canon was the reduce in celestial wizards.



He knocked out 4 out of six with that Spell which isn't noteworthy as they're all weak in comparison to 1st TS characters. Doesn't matter if they're relevant they were still weak bcs they didn't train. He put Cobra temporarily in that cell bcs of the incidents with Dragons and Cobra was still in that cell with Magic sealing cuffs on. How would he be dead? The Dragons cared very little about the characters that were even fighting them so once again it doesn't matter. Punching a dragon is not even a real testament to anything. You're bias for Cobra as that backs up Jellal's feat. Cobra has not shown anything to suggest he's gotten stronger and their was nothing to suggest they got a big power up especially when they were rotting in prison for seven years. Cobra ain't even on Wendy's level so can please stop trying to scale from people he can't be scaled to.


Not really discrediting anyone just stating the facts that are presented. Weren't you the one who said not to go off of speculation? Bcs you're going off a lot of assumptions. I gave you pre-ts feats that trumps beating OS yet all you present is baseless assumptions that OS got stronger sitting in a jail cell. Max > Tenrou Natsu >> Cobra unless you have real feats to say Cobra was stronger then Tenrou Natsu at the time? Oh wait there isn't.


As I've stated above, Cobra couldn't even beat OS Natsu and you think he can toy around with Tenrou Natsu? As I've stated again we don't know current Jellal's strength but as the looks of it he ain't on Laxus level.

Hiro said in one Manga chapter that this arc is canon.In that Arc it was proved that OS Members became much stronger compared to 7 years before.You can't dismiss it as non-canon when Hiro himself is saying that.

 

[Jko]

Hiro said in one Manga chapter that this arc is canon.In that Arc it was proved that OS Members became much stronger compared to 7 years before.You can't dismiss it as non-canon when Hiro himself is saying that.

Source? I never once heard Hiro say that OS broke out prior to their last escapre nor have it's been stated that FT fought and recaptured them so unless their was confurmation that they did escape prior then the only thing that came from the Zentopia was the decrease in CS mages. Also like I said their fight with FT would contradict the canon timeline bcs there was no inbetween time before the GMG for the Zentopia incident to hapoen. Even Yukino states "you heard" when talking about Z incident bcs Lucy nor FT were directly apart if it and Brain sure as heck didn't meet Gildarts or was a high priest lol.

 

[Arjuna]

Source? I never once heard Hiro say that OS broke out prior to their last escapre nor have it's been stated that FT fought and recaptured them so unless their was confurmation that they did escape prior then the only thing that came from the Zentopia was the decrease in CS mages. Also like I said their fight with FT would contradict the canon timeline bcs there was no inbetween time before the GMG for the Zentopia incident to hapoen. Even Yukino states "you heard" when talking about Z incident bcs Lucy nor FT were directly apart if it and Brain sure as heck didn't meet Gildarts or was a high priest lol.

In one of the manga chapters Hiro said this.Hiro was even involved in the story line of this Arc.It was Lapointe/Zero that broke them out of the Prison.

 

[Jko]

In one of the manga chapters Hiro said this.Hiro was even involved in the story line of this Arc.It was Lapointe/Zero that broke them out of the Prison.

I meant show me the source. It wasn't canon that OS broke out just like Mira's Halphas wasn't canon. The only thing that was canon was the reduce in CS mages as everything else would go against the canon material. That's why it's semi-canon.

 

[Arjuna]

I meant show me the source. It wasn't canon that OS broke out just like Mira's Halphas wasn't canon. The only thing that was canon was the reduce in CS mages as everything else would go against the canon material. That's why it's semi-canon.

Read this complete post in Reditt.
https://m.reddit.com/r/fairytail/comments/1txr9g/is_it_worth_watching_key_of_starry_sky_arc/

 

[Jko]

Read this complete post in Reditt.
https://m.reddit.com/r/fairytail/comments/1txr9g/is_it_worth_watching_key_of_starry_sky_arc/

Nothing in there showed that OS breaking out and fighting FT were canon...