Are you saying that Natsu wouldn't have burned his own arm if he was in FDK mode? Assuming that's the case, wouldn't that mean FDK mode increases Natsu's physical heat resistance?Well like I said, the mode allows him to regulate it better. We've seen that he can damage his entire arm if he uses too much of that power
Now the damage likely won't be as severe as that, but it could still occur.
Also like I said, he was amping himself with that ancient magic that Erigor was talking about. It's not as if Natsu can generate that kind of heat whenever he wants to; he has to get emotional enough to subconsciously activate that magic. As for dragon Force, like you said, he's physically tougher in that form, so he can pour in more power without having to worry so much about his body being damaged(his body might also be able to naturally handle the heat better, due to it being more like a fire dragon's, but I don't have anything from the manga to prove this to be the case).
Well DF Natsu could easily burn through Zeref's weird tentacle attack,while base Natsu was struggling greatly to overcome it, so that could be proof of DF also amping his flames' temp.
But if Natsu can use the flames in his base without the mode, and if his flames are as strong in base as they are with the mode, then entering the mode did nothing other than deplete his magic faster. Natsu may be dumb, but I don't think he's that dumb.
Well I don't know what to tell ya man. Erigor outright says in that scan that Natsu was using Ancient magic. Also, I agree that it's not a mode (or at least, not like any of his other modes);. I see it as sorta like Kaioken. He's briefly augmenting his power in his base form to a great degree and can probably stack this magic on top of his actual modes if he tried (although I don't really have evidence from the manga regarding this, too)
Sorry, but I don't even understand your point. Why does exceeding Natsu's heat tolerance prove that creating these flames are beyond Natsu's limits? These flames aren't beyond Natsu's limits because Natsu can use them without any outside help. All he needs is to be worked into the right emotional state.
Indeed, POF Natsu is the strongest version of Natsu. That's exactly the case.
I would not be able to change your opinion as you've apparently convinced yourself that that is the case, so it's kinda pointless, no?
Casual feats still require MP, no? It's like you're grasping at straws now. It's just the amount of how much they produce, but they produce it nonetheless. You're simply going out of your way to appeal to extremes to prove some point that you have obviously swayed away from.
It is not a handicap he wanted to impose upon himself, but one that he had to, otherwise, he would be fighting way worse.
Who says the limits of Natsu's flames are determined by whether or not those flames can burn him? Just because Natsu is burned by his own flames doesn't mean that he can't create those flames. Natsu can create flames he used against Zeref to burn time without an outside power-source. If he can create them without a power-up, they are within his limits.
I assume the damage wouldn't have been as severe. Again, what I'm suggesting is that Natsu can better regulate or control his fdk flames in that mode, sorta like how he can somewhat prevent certain individuals from burning when he flexes his heat (like how he didn't burn Happy when he made his GMG entrance). So in FDK mode, he could maybe prevent the heat from affecting him as much as it would in his base, allowing him to use more of that flame at a "safe" level, without it damaging him.
I know, but Erigor was specifically referring to Emotional Flame when he said that, or else he would've noted that Natsu was using ancient magic when he used his fire dragon spells
Well it means using FDK flames without the mode being active
.He entered the mode just to throw a simple punch, something he can and did do in base (against the army leading up to Zeref). He also planned on following that punch up with another one; one that he was sure was going to kill Zeref. So if he just planned on punching Zeref after activating FDKM, then the only purpose of him doing that was to literally burn through his magic supply for no reason (assuming FDKM isn't a powerup).
Well for all we know, Madmole can withstand an FDK attack in the mode, or Natsu was still too close to his friends to safely use it. Also, it's been a year since the Alverez arc and Natsu could've grown stronger in that time, so maybe he felt that he could handle Madmole in his base (not knowing how high Madmole's defense is)
It's not seeing her in the relative sense, it's sensing her movement that he was that he was doing. Not exactly the same as fighting with his eyes open and fighting that way, in which he would be exposed to what he exclaims as a 'vulgar' appearance.
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Why are Sayla and Kyouka even there at all? Not to mention, placed above Wendy, Lucy and Juvia?
Seilah and Kyouka are definitely still stronger than Juvia who hasn’t had a feat in years lol. I don’t see Lucy or Wendy beating them either lol? Tartaros wasn’t that long ago. They haven’t been powercrept yet. I mean Juvia ahead of Kyouka? Unless you think Juvia would be able to give Tartaros Erza a high difficulty fight?
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I mean, sure. It would be kinda pointless for you to address your bias, hypocrisy and flaws in your argument.
Okay, but how does stopping his FDK flames from burning him make his attacks stronger? What's the difference between an FDK spell in the mode and an FDK spell without the mode then? Natsu can still pour the same amount of power into either, the only difference now is that if he forgets to use the mode he burns himself if he uses a strong enough flame. Natsu's not using flames that would burn himself anyways against Jacob.I assume the damage wouldn't have been as severe. Again, what I'm suggesting is that Natsu can better regulate or control his fdk flames in that mode, sorta like how he can somewhat prevent certain individuals from burning when he flexes his heat (like how he didn't burn Happy when he made his GMG entrance). So in FDK mode, he could maybe prevent the heat from affecting him as much as it would in his base, allowing him to use more of that flame at a "safe" level, without it damaging him.
I know, but Erigor was specifically referring to Emotional Flame when he said that, or else he would've noted that Natsu was using ancient magic when he used his fire dragon spells
So while he has his regular POF boost, this seems to be something entirely different that can actually generate magic power and amp his flames to a massive degree.
Well it means using FDK flames without the mode being active
He entered the mode just to throw a simple punch, something he can and did do in base (against the army leading up to Zeref). He also planned on following that punch up with another one; one that he was sure was going to kill Zeref. So if he just planned on punching Zeref after activating FDKM, then the only purpose of him doing that was to literally burn through his magic supply for no reason (assuming FDKM isn't a powerup).
- Or he can better control/regulate the heat in the mode, allowing him to use more power without injury
Well for all we know, Madmole can withstand an FDK attack in the mode, or Natsu was still too close to his friends to safely use it. Also, it's been a year since the Alverez arc and Natsu could've grown stronger in that time, so maybe he felt that he could handle Madmole in his base (not knowing how high Madmole's defense is)
The act of preventing damage itself doesn't make his attacks stronger, but it does allow him to use more power without hurting himself. Imagine that Natsu's Demolition fist in base is close to the threshold that his body can withstand without straining/burning itself. FDKM would allow him to handle that same amount of FDK power much more comfortably, which means that he can then add more power in his attack without breaking his body (at least until he reaches his threshold in FDKM)
Maybe the magic comes with the package when you use fire dragon magic. Or maybe Natsu meets a hidden requirement to activate the magic (through his personality or something), or maybe Zeref just installed it when he remade Natsu and forgot about it. Who knows, but the point is that it was treated as a specific ability separate from the usual friendship boost that's in the manga, since it was specifically given a name.
Well the size and visual similarity would suggest that it was FDK flames. He also used FDK flames in base to punch out an Enchanted Neinhart (unless you believe he did that with his regular fire) and logic would dictate that if he can draw out FDK flames into an FDK spell without entering the mode, then he would be able to do the same with just regular punches
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Even if you say that FDK mode protects him from his own flames if he uses too much power, Natsu really only burns himself when he's operating at peak emotion. He's not even close to that level fighting Jacob. So unless you're saying the flames he used against Jacob would have burnt him if not for the mode, there's no reason it should be that much different from his regular FDK attacks. It certainly shouldn't be to the point where Jacob can tank multiple FDK spells outside of the mode, but get burnt up in the mere presence of the mode.
Well Jacob was wailing on him with presumably his full fighting power, so maybe Natsu entered his mode to assert dominance lol. He also could've maybe used it to better control his power so as to not outright kill Jacob ('cause Natsu only really cares about the lives of non-fodder soldiers, plus keeping him as a prisoner of war could have been useful to the guild, or else he would've just killed Jacob while he was out cold)
This wasn't in the fight leading up to Zeref. This was during the next day. I'm fairly sure the moment Shoutman and I are talking about is this one:He used FDK Demo on fodder and you really think he's using more power on fodder then named adversaries?
C'mon, you get the analogy. He shifts limiters to get stronger through his modes. Just like Goku does when he uses SJJ-SSGSS+.
I agree on it being a dominance thing. He released some flames to help burn Jacob before hitting him demolition fist. If he's using it to get better control so as to not hurt Jacob. Well then....the mode isn't really being used to make FDK attacks stronger.
