Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

And looks similar to the one Natsu used before

 

[WoWfan]

Yet it does, as it increases the stats of his attacks, and causes flames to spring forth onto the earth, not that easy to set ablaze. Neinhart was already physically weak, so that doesn’t count.

 

[Axiomus]

@Jko

Just so we're clear, what I am saying is that every FDK spell that Natsu has ever used is more impressive than the kick that Natsu used in tandem with regulus Lucy kick. Yes, even the FDK spells that Natsu used against the Alvarez army troops.

Spoiler: Natsu using demolition fist on Alvarez troops

Spoiler: Natsu usinng FDK roar against the Alvarez troops

This is the kick used in tandem with the regulus Lucy kick in question. This was the strongest attack that Natsu hit Jacob while they were inside the guild, and it was a regular fire dragon's talon. This is simply not a very impressive attack. It's nowhere near the level of Natsu's FDK spells.

Spoiler: Natsu kicking Jacob in the face in tandem with Lucy kick

Even when it comes to Natsu's base mode attacks, the kick that Natsu gave Jacob wasn't that impressive. This punch that Natsu used on the Alvarez troops would match Makarov's punch, if not downright surpass it. If Natsu hit Jacob with this attack, Jacob would be sent flying like when Makarov hit him.

Spoiler: Large regular punch without FDK

@WoWfan, I honestly have no clue what point you're trying to make.

 

[WoWfan]

Well more impressive than being downed by standard FDK spell. Even Standard FD spells are impressive as a no name roar can down Bluenote and no name spell that filled an arena, yet he had to use more effort with a named spell against Jacob and he did not go down. When you say match with Makarov it did nothing to Jacob, so that means he had to use the mode to power up

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Whatever he is saying canon stuff. Whatever readers think are irrelevant.

 

[WoWfan]

What readers says is canon stuff which is from the story itself

 

[Jko]

@Jko

Just so we're clear, what I am saying is that every FDK spell that Natsu has ever used is more impressive than the kick that Natsu used in tandem with regulus Lucy kick. Yes, even the FDK spells that Natsu used against the Alvarez army troops.

Spoiler: Natsu using demolition fist on Alvarez troops

Spoiler: Natsu usinng FDK roar against the Alvarez troops

This is the kick used in tandem with the regulus Lucy kick in question. This was the strongest attack that Natsu hit Jacob while they were inside the guild, and it was a regular fire dragon's talon. This is simply not a very impressive attack. It's nowhere near the level of Natsu's FDK spells.

Spoiler: Natsu kicking Jacob in the face in tandem with Lucy kick

Even when it comes to Natsu's base mode attacks, the kick that Natsu gave Jacob wasn't that impressive. This punch that Natsu used on the Alvarez troops would match Makarov's punch, if not downright surpass it. If Natsu hit Jacob with this attack, Jacob would be sent flying like when Makarov hit him.

Spoiler: Large regular punch without FDK

@WoWfan, I honestly have no clue what point you're trying to make.

More impressive doesn't mean stronger lol. Natsu's Savage Flame nor 7DS arm attack was impressive looking as what he did on Lake Sciliora or the War God. Does that mean he used weaker spells on people he stomped then people he actually had difficulties against?

No named FD level roar on Bluenote

Spoiler

vs
FDK spell he used on Madmole.

Spoiler

Do you really think he was going harder on Bluenote then a Dragon God?

Makarov hit a distracted Jacob and it did not harm in anyway. Natsu wouldn't have went FDKM if he didn't think the mode was necessary to his victory.

Natsu has used FD level spells on both Zeref and Acnologia as well, do you really think he was going easier on them then he was against a horde of fodder any Wendy tier level character could have slaughter?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

In canon it was nothing but FDK punch with max pof. It doesn't whatever it reached incredulous temperatures or whatever. It's still a FDK punch in base with max pof.

Seilah and Kyouka are definitely still stronger than Juvia who hasn’t had a feat in years lol. I don’t see Lucy or Wendy beating them either lol? Tartaros wasn’t that long ago. They haven’t been powercrept yet. I mean Juvia ahead of Kyouka? Unless you think Juvia would be able to give Tartaros Erza a high difficulty fight?

That’s hilarious. You think so highly of Juvia’s ability that you thinks she’s stronger than the strongest 9D gates with her featless self yet you don’t think Mira, who defeated a Spriggan is strong. Weird. I guess it’s about favouritism and not feats, probably explains why you tried to make Kagura look better and Mira look worse.

Wendy is above Seilah. Her Macro is irrelevant to Wendy who can remove body anomalies with her enchanments. Wendy >Seilah.

 

[WoWfan]

In cannot it was Savage Flames which is beyond the limits of his heat tolerance and warped the fabric of reality. That is how it works, none of his flames did this before with lower heat

And no, Marco is an abstract possession, Removing anomalies does not work that way. Wendy barely won against Ezel, Sayla takes it

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Still FDK base punch with max pox. Savage emotions was thing in Zeref's mind

WW power of restriction works similar way as Seilah Macro. In fact its much better. She controlled Merc which is above anything Macro has achieved. Wendy saved team Natsu from the same spell when WW casted on them.

 

[LaGOAT]

In cannot it was Savage Flames which is beyond the limits of his heat tolerance and warped the fabric of reality. That is how it works, none of his flames did this before with lower heat

And no, Marco is an abstract possession, Removing anomalies does not work that way. Wendy barely won against Ezel, Sayla takes it

Wendy was Able to cancel Irene attacks that alone should be higher than sayla

 

[WoWfan]

Still Savage Flames which Zeref describes and how readers go by to display the capabilities of these flames that surpass his limits of heat

That was Wendy after Tartaros, I was referring to when she was at Tartaros

 

[Axiomus]

More impressive doesn't mean stronger lol. Natsu's Savage Flame nor 7DS arm attack was impressive looking as what he did on Lake Sciliora or the War God. Does that mean he used weaker spells on people he stomped then people he actually had difficulties against?

No named FD level roar on Bluenote

Spoiler

vs
FDK spell he used on Madmole.

Spoiler

Do you really think he was going harder on Bluenote then a Dragon God?

Makarov hit a distracted Jacob and it did not harm in anyway. Natsu wouldn't have went FDKM if he didn't think the mode was necessary to his victory.

Natsu has used FD level spells on both Zeref and Acnologia as well, do you really think he was going easier on them then he was against a horde of fodder any Wendy tier level character could have slaughter?

Obviously a fire dragon king spell is going to be stronger than an attack in base. Obviously there's going to be an overlap between a large base attack and a smaller FDK attack. What should not be up for a debate is a large FDK attack versus a small base attack lol. Trying to argue that the kick Natsu landed on Jacob is more impressive than any FDK spell is literally trying to say that an attack in base mode is more stronger than a larger, more impressive FDK spell. That kick that Natsu landed on Jacob was on the same level as a that Lucy kick. That attack wouldn't have oneshotted Bluenote or the god of war, and is one of Natsu's weaker showings throughout the whole arc.

Jacob wasn't distracted when Makarov hit him. Makarov gave a small speech and gave Jacob plenty of time to figure out what was going one. Jacob was gawking, and that's nobody's fault but Jacob's. If Natsu hit him with any attack stronger than Makarov's punch, Jacob would have been sent flying. You're assuming that entering FDK mode was absolutely necessary to Natsu's victory, and that Natsu wouldn't have been able to do just as much damage spamming multiple FDK attacks without the mode. I could just as easily flip it around and say Natsu would have entered FDK mode if he felt it improved his chances of beating Zeref. Yet he never went into FDK mode once during his rematch with Zeref. Natsu also never used FDK mode against Acnologia, even after replenishing his powers due to Wendy's enchantment. Natsu also never used FDK mode to fight Mercphobia. Or Madmole. Clearly it's not something that he thinks is necessary when he's fighting the strongest enemies he's ever faced.

Natsu was holding back against Jacob because he didn't want to damage the guild. This may have not been the case against Zeref, but it was for Jacob. Natsu did indeed use base attacks against Zeref and Acnologia. Those particular attacks simply weren't that strong. Using his weaker base mode attacks didn't turn out so well for Natsu, so he Natsu eventually went all out against Zeref with dragon force. The demolition fist that he used in Dragon Force was very impressive. When Natsu fought Acnologia, he was exhausted and simply couldn't use any impressive attacks. It was only when he got with everyone's magic that he went into dragon force and create a huge dragon arm to hit Acnologia. That attack was also very impressive.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

That was Wendy after Tartaros, I was referring to when she was at Tartaros

100 year quest/Alvarez Wendy > Seilah that's what I was saying.

 

[Jko]

Obviously a fire dragon king spell is going to be stronger than an attack in base. Obviously there's going to be an overlap between a large base attack and a smaller FDK attack. What should not be up for a debate is a large FDK attack versus a small base attack lol. Trying to argue that the kick Natsu landed on Jacob is more impressive than any FDK spell is literally trying to say that an attack in base mode is more stronger than a larger, more impressive FDK spell. That kick that Natsu landed on Jacob was on the same level as a that Lucy kick. That attack wouldn't have oneshotted Bluenote or the god of war, and is one of Natsu's weaker showings throughout the whole arc. Besides, it's a canon fact that Natsu was holding back because he didn't want to damage the guild.

Natsu did indeed use base attacks against Zeref and Acnologia. Those particular attacks simply weren't that strong. Using his weaker base mode attacks didn't turn out so well for Natsu, so he Natsu eventually went all out against Zeref with dragon force. The demolition fist that he used in Dragon Force was very impressive. When Natsu fought Acnologia, he was exhausted and simply couldn't use any impressive attacks. It was only when he got with everyone's magic that he went into dragon force and create a huge dragon arm to hit Acnologia. That attack was also very impressive.

Jacob wasn't distracted when Makarov hit him. He was gawking. That's nobody's fault but Jacob's. If Natsu hit him with any attack stronger than Makarov's punch, Jacob would have been sent flying.

Natsu used a regular FD level attack on both Acnologia and Zeref as well. Does that also mean they are weaker than fodder? Doesn't matter the size when the effectiveness on the opponent they face is what matters. Goku's kamehameha doesn't destroy planets does that also mean it's weaker than attack Freiza did on Planet Vegeta? Lol, bigger doesn't mean strong or like I said, you must think he thought the fodder were stronger than Acnologia or Zeref? Or Bluenote stronger than Merc or Madmole?

Those attacks he used on Zeref were more potent then the ones he used on fodder...Also the same thing can be said for Jacob. His base attacks weren't cutting it therefore he used FDKM to win. He was exhausted to the point he defended against Acnologia's attack which even surprised Acno himself? Wendy already healed and restored a lot of his stamina otherwise he would have been in crit condition with a still busted up arm that he couldn't move.

And? Do you actually think he expended more magic on fodder then he did Acnologia? An attack that he used against fodder, Wendy could scrub, is an attack more powerful then he used on Acno?

Like I said, there's no way Natsu is taking people he fodderize more seriously then people who actually give him a diff fight. It doesn't matter if he blew half the world up against a fodder Levy could take out and then he did a room level blast to take out Zeref. That room level attack would be higher than that attack that blew up half the world bcs Natsu spent more energy fighting them than he did fighting fodder he toasted in a second.

Jacob was distracted by Happy being between his hands and then got punched which did absolutely nothing to him as seen when he's shown not to be hurt by the attack. Natsu hit him with an attack way stronger than that Makarov hit and it only sent him flying a couple yards from Natsu lol. Characters who don't pyt there defense up always can get blindsided and launched by an attack weaker than themselves.

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Wendy was Able to cancel Irene attacks that alone should be higher than sayla

She used Deus Zero to do that and Deus Zero only works on enchantments. It is possible that her bodily anomaly magic can counter Seilah's magic but I dunno since she can't undo the WW's control over them once it's been set. Tho current Wendy would stomp Seilah by virtue that she's way stronger than Tartarus demons at this point seeing as she, while half dead, oneshotted Ezel.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu used a regular FD level attack on both Acnologia and Zeref as well. Does that also mean they are weaker than fodder? Doesn't matter the size when the effectiveness on the opponent they face is what matters. Goku's kamehameha doesn't destroy planets does that also mean it's weaker than attack Freiza did on Planet Vegeta? Lol, bigger doesn't mean strong or like I said, you must think he thought the fodder were stronger than Acnologia or Zeref? Or Bluenote stronger than Merc or Madmole?

Those attacks he used on Zeref were more potent then the ones he used on fodder...Also the same thing can be said for Jacob. His base attacks weren't cutting it therefore he used FDKM to win. He was exhausted to the point he defended against Acnologia's attack which even surprised Acno himself? Wendy already healed and restored a lot of his stamina otherwise he would have been in crit condition with a still busted up arm that he couldn't move.

And? Do you actually think he expended more magic on fodder then he did Acnologia? An attack that he used against fodder, Wendy could scrub, is an attack more powerful then he used on Acno?

Like I said, there's no way Natsu is taking people he fodderize more seriously then people who actually give him a diff fight. It doesn't matter if he blew half the world up against a fodder Levy could take out and then he did a room level blast to take out Zeref. That room level attack would be higher than that attack that blew up half the world bcs Natsu spent more energy fighting them than he did fighting fodder he toasted in a second.

Jacob was distracted by Happy being between his hands and then got punched which did absolutely nothing to him as seen when he's shown not to be hurt by the attack. Natsu hit him with an attack way stronger than that Makarov hit and it only sent him flying a couple yards from Natsu lol. Characters who don't pyt there defense up always can get blindsided and launched by an attack weaker than themselves.

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She used Deus Zero to do that and Deus Zero only works on enchantments. It is possible that her bodily anomaly magic can counter Seilah's magic but I dunno since she can't undo the WW's control over them once it's been set. Tho current Wendy would stomp Seilah by virtue that she's way stronger than Tartarus demons at this point seeing as she, while half dead, oneshotted Ezel.

Natsu using a regular attack on Acnologia and Zeref doesn't mean Acnologia and Zeref are weaker than fodder. It means that Natsu didn't use strong attacks against them. Did those attacks do anything to Zeref or Acnologia? No. So what's the problem here? Likewise Bluenote didn't tank the roar and Mercphobia wasn't defeated by that demolition fist. So obviously I'm not saying Bluenote is stronger than Mercphobia or Madmole. The attack that Natsu used on Jacob simply doesn't bring anything to the table. It's not a huge impressive explosion. It's not a potent FDK attack. It's a small, base mode attack that looked like it was just as powerful as Regulus Lucy Kick. That's all there is to it. Even if Natsu wasn't holding back against Zeref, the same thing can't be said for Jacob. Even if the size of attacks are similar, it's simply a canon fact that Natsu was holding back against Jacob. Evidently he stopped caring when he fought Zeref.

Natsu was exhausted until Wendy enchanted everyone's power into him. He didn't even land a single shot on Acnologia before that. Forget about landing big powerful shots. Natsu barely had enough power to keep up with Acnologia's agility. The moment when Acnologia was shocked that Natsu blocked his attack came right after Wendy's enchantment. After Wendy everyone's power into him, Natsu landed a huge hits on Acnologia.

So you're saying all of Natsu's attacks used against Zeref are more impressive than any of his attacks on others, simply because Zeref is stronger?Jacob is basically fodder to Mercphobia the same way Alvarez troops are fodder to Zeref. Well, I guess every attack Natsu used against Mercphobia are stronger than every attack Natsu used against Jacob. The secret art, the FDK mode roar, the demolition fist....Every attack that Natsu attempted on Mercphobia is stronger than every attack he attempted on Jacob. There's no way Natsu would try harder on a fodder like Jacob than a literal God Dragon like Mercphobia. Madmole, by virtue of tanking the same attacks in the same arc, scales to Mercphobia's level of greatness over Jacob.

Makarov gave an entire speech from the moment Jacob realized Happy was between his hands to when he punched Jacob. It's got nothing to do with being caught off guard. If Jacob was caught off guard by that, then he's simply not that impressive. The kick combination that Natsu did with Lucy is weaker than Makarov's punch, and Natsu's own high end base mode punches are stronger than Makarov's punch. Natsu would oneshot Makarov himself with a base mode roar he used on Bluenote. If he used the same attack Jacob, Jacob would at least be sent flying.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Who are the top strongest 10 girl in Fairy Tail?

My opinion
1. Irene
2. Dimaria
3. Brandish
4. Erza
5. Kyria
6. Kagura
7. Mirajane
8. Kyoka
9. Sayla
10. Wendy

1. Irene
2. Dimaria / Brandish
3. Sayla
4. Erza
5. Kyouka
6. Kyria / Kagura
7. Minerva/Mirajane
8. Wendy
9. Lucy
10. Juvia

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Mirajane> Kagura/Minerva. Mira has better feats. Kagura and Minerva’s best feats are from GMG which is old news.

One shotting Juliet and Heine and beating someone from the Spriggan 12>anything from GMG. Not to mention the fact that Kagura and Minerva can’t do anything against Macro.

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Different times in the story. She did that in the GMG and Natsu defeated Etherious Jackal in Tartaros. Tartaros Natsu is way stronger than GMG Natsu.

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It’s impressive because it was one of Lucy’s most powerful spells yet it left Mira unfazed. Even though Mira is clearly superior, it’s still a feat nonetheless.

Mira tanking that attacks means the opponent would need much more power than a SDM nuke to do serious damage to current Mira. People stay sleeping on Mira’s durability. BSS>SDM.

Also Lisanna is strong enough to help defeat Ajeel yet she wasn’t strong enough to survive Lucy’s SDM nuke. That same nuke that knocked Lisanna out barely did anything to Mira.

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Nope. Defeat 50% of a Spriggan > Defeteat Heyne and Juliet. But I'm not putting: Minerva > Mirajane even after that because Minerva didn't show damage attack powers att all.
Kagura still has better feats than Mirajane even in the last arc.

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Minerva shield Natsu LFDK in the GMG arc and Natsu use it against Jackals in Tartaros, without the narrative say that he trained and only 3 months after GMG tournament, so she could do the same in the Tartaros Arc.

(Anyway, Jackals is trash in defense. Tempester took a stronger attack from Natsu LFDK than Jackals received and got to it undamaged)

 

[Axiomus]

Look, my logic is pretty simple: Fire Dragon King flames are fire dragon king flames. If Natsu punches you with fire dragon flames and you tank it, you are more impressive than someone who gets knocked out by a punch with fire dragon king flames. If Natsu lights himself up with fire dragon king flames and you're already keeling over, you're nowhere near as impressive as someone that can take multiple explosions of those same flames to the face. There's 2 things you can do to make your attacks stronger. You can hit harder by physically strengthening your body. Or you can make your flames hotter by fueling it with more magic power. If FDK mode doesn't offer a physical boost or increase the amount of magic power Natsu can put into his flames, then it doesn't increase his attack power. Explain to me what FDK mode does, and then we can talk about whether or not it makes sense for it to increases Natsu attack power.

As far as Jacob goes, there's nothing super special about his combat prowess. His attack power is the least impressive out of any of the Spriggan 12. He basically just slaps you with hand to hand attacks or a whip. It's not even enough to do any serious damage to Lucy. His durability isn't all that great either. He gets tossed around by Makarov's punches and gets oneshotted by base Satan Soul. The passive heat from Natsu merely entering FDK mode is enough to have him on the verge of defeat. Even if I grant you that FDK mode offers a boost to the strength of his FDK spells, it wouldn't be to the absurd point where the body heat from the mode outclasses actually being blasted by the flames of multiple FDK spells.

If Jacob's second opponent was anyone other than Mirajane would we even be having this conversation? If Jacob fought Jellal instead of Mirajane, and Jacob closed his eyes because he couldn't stand to look at Jellal's abs, and then Jellal oneshotted him with a punch from meteor....would we be sitting here debating about whether or not FDK mode hypes Jacob's durability above Madmole? Would we say that beating Jacob is as impressive as Laxus killing Wall, or that Jacob has hand to hand prowess to match Wall? Or would Jacob be put in the same boat as Neinhart? Answer this honestly.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

More impressive doesn't mean stronger lol. Natsu's Savage Flame nor 7DS arm attack was impressive looking as what he did on Lake Sciliora or the War God. Does that mean he used weaker spells on people he stomped then people he actually had difficulties against?

No named FD level roar on Bluenote

Spoiler

vs
FDK spell he used on Madmole.

Spoiler

Do you really think he was going harder on Bluenote then a Dragon God?

Makarov hit a distracted Jacob and it did not harm in anyway. Natsu wouldn't have went FDKM if he didn't think the mode was necessary to his victory.

Natsu has used FD level spells on both Zeref and Acnologia as well, do you really think he was going easier on them then he was against a horde of fodder any Wendy tier level character could have slaughter?

Your final argument doesn't make sense.
Jellal used his strong spell, Senma, against Oracion Seis and he didn't want to kill them or ''went harder'',he just wanted to defeat them and make them join his cause.
Jacob didn't prove to be able to stand even a FDK punch attack from Natsu. Jacob was defeated by a Satan Soul attack from a tired and without no magic power remaining Mirajane. Heyne and Juliet fought the same Satan Soul from Mirajane with great magic reserves and tanked it easily.
Heyne and Juliet are stronger in defense than Jacob. It only shows how weak he is and that Natsu would defeat him with any other attacks.

Natsu probably wasn't using the FDK in his stronger level of strength just like Jellal wasn't putting all his strength with O6.

STOP TRYING TO MAKE JACOB BE STRONG JUST TO ELEVATE MIRAJANE'S LEVEL. HE IS TRASH. SORRY, BUT HE IS.

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Look, my logic is pretty simple: Fire Dragon King flames are fire dragon king flames. If Natsu punches you with fire dragon flames and you tank it, you are more impressive than someone who gets knocked out by a punch with fire dragon king flames. If Natsu lights himself up with fire dragon king flames and you're already keeling over, you're nowhere near as impressive as someone that can take multiple explosions of those same flames to the face. There's 2 things you can do to make your attacks stronger. You can hit harder by physically strengthening your body. Or you can make your flames hotter by fueling it with more magic power. If FDK mode doesn't offer a physical boost or increase the amount of magic power Natsu can put into his flames, then it doesn't increase his attack power. Explain to me what FDK mode does, and then we can talk about whether or not it makes sense for it to increases Natsu attack power.

As far as Jacob goes, there's nothing super special about his combat prowess. His attack power is the least impressive out of any of the Spriggan 12. He basically just slaps you with hand to hand attacks or a whip. It's not even enough to do any serious damage to Lucy. His durability isn't all that great either. He gets tossed around by Makarov's punches and gets oneshotted by base Satan Soul. The passive heat from Natsu merely entering FDK mode is enough to have him on the verge of defeat. Even if I grant you that FDK mode offers a boost to the strength of his FDK spells, it wouldn't be to the absurd point where the body heat from the mode outclasses actually being blasted by the flames of multiple FDK spells.

If Jacob's second opponent was anyone other than Mirajane would we even be having this conversation? If Jacob fought Jellal instead of Mirajane, and Jacob closed his eyes because he couldn't stand to look at Jellal's abs, and then Jellal oneshotted him with a punch from meteor....would we be sitting here debating about whether or not FDK mode hypes Jacob's durability above Madmole? Would we say that beating Jacob is as impressive as Laxus killing Wall, or that Jacob has hand to hand prowess to match Wall? Or would Jacob be put in the same boat as Neinhart? Answer this honestly.

Even Lisanna could endure a fight with Jacob without him use any magic and being with his eyes closed. Afterall she endure a fight with Ajeel when she acted as Elfman support, right?
LOL

What if people try to force Lisanna as Spriggan Level because of it? LOL

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Even Neinhart (his body without summon Historias) > Jacob (without use his magics).