I can agree with Hyberion. I would put Wolfheim slightly below overpowered Sitri Mirajane (Maybe Satan Soul: Halphas, although I don't think that is canon in the manga) but that is because I like to think that Wolfheim is many times weaker than Hyberion. Agree with Makarov. As for Jura, once again, I believe he is on par or slightly below Erza but the difference is almost negligible.
First of all, it's nice we agree so much! As for ranking/comparing the Wizard Saints, we seem not to agree that much. I share your point in the exponentiallity of their powers, though. If Jura is a 1, then Warrod is a 2, Wolfheim is a 4 and Hyberion is an 8. Around there. God Serena would be a 16 in base, and probably over 20 when angry/fullpowered/whatever.
As for development, I don't think Jura improved that much in the gap year, mainly because he was taking care of bureaucratic duties (and I think this applies to the other saints; they weren't training but managing, doing paperwork, meetings and whatnot). It's also important to notice that if GMG Laxus was superior to GMG Jura by not a large gap, in this case it seems that current Laxus is vastly superior to current Jura. Although, again, in order to confirm that, we should see how well would Jura perform against Wahl, or Laxus against God Serena; or what'd happen if Jura and Laxus fought again. And none of these scenarios is likely going to happen.
Give Serena the benefit if the doubt based on what? The fact that he defeated 4 characters whom your also giving the benefit of the doubt too? This is a very unstable argument you have here. Serenas DS attacks were weak, I see no reason to assume they would even so much as phase Acnologia. Even if he uses stronger DS moves the damage he will be dishing out to Acno will be minimal, and that's assuming Acno just stands there and takes it.
You seem to missunderstand me. I'd give God Serena the benefit of the doubt were he to fight Acnologia with equalized speed.
How are Serena's attacks weak to put down a Laxus tier (Hyberion), an at least Mirajane tier (Wolfheim) a possibly Makarov tier (Warrod) and a possibly Erza tier (Jura) all at once? You are underestimating God Serena very badly.
Minimal damage is enough. At least it would be damage, much more than the whole FT did to Acno back in Tenroujima, or Glidartz did to him during their encounter, proving God Serena is vastly superior to Glidartz. It would be a feat. Because no-one's ever harmed Acnologia, as far as we're concerned. And it's not about "standing there and taking it", since their speeds would be equalized there'd be possibility for both to land hits on the other.
I agree, but Jellal only used a casual attack. Grand Chariot doesn't have a good track record, yet he improved so much that he one-shotted a Spriggan (even if its the weakest one) with it. He still has Abyass Break, Sema and Altairis and maybe some new techniques that he has developed.
Given he was bloodlusted and he even changed the landscape, I thought it was his most powerful spell. But even if it wasn't and Jellal still had tricks up his sleeve, Neinhart is not a good match to compare Jellal to other magues. If Jellal fought Bradman, that'd be another story, since Bradman may very well be a low-to-mid tier Spriggan, or even mid-tier.
It might have enhanced his heavenly body magic. Even if it was just an illusion though, that still takes Spriggan level MP to conjure something if that level.
I agree, and it is very likely that Jellal is spriggan tier (mid spriggan tier). However we cannot compare him to Jura or Laxus based on feats, because Jellal didn't have a proper fight, and Jura fought a way too OP character.
Hyberion drains MP, obviously he wouldn't have had a scratch from his attack, but he was clearly worried even before Hyberion attacked him. If the implication was that Serena had to stop toying with them but could still defeat them with his base power then Jacob wouldn't have been worried enough to intervene and August wouldn't have anticipated Serena resorting to his DS magic.
It's been mentioned that Spriggans work on their own, they do not work as a team. The fact Jacob wanted to intervene may very well prove Base Serena was having trouble against Hyberion; but it could also demonstrate that Jacob has no idea of Serena's limitations. He might very well not know the extent of his power in base. I still think Serena is, in base, well above the 4; but we can't know for sure.
He could land some hits but Acnologia would tank them. That's assuming Acnologia doesn't just competey offset Serenas attack with his own.
If he's going to tank high-tier spriggan level attacks which happen to be magic-compatible against him, then there's no human way anyone in this manga can even scratch him: not Igneel Natsu, not Laxus, not Irene, not August, not Zeref.
God Serena's attacks are powerful, deadly, continuous, fast and diverse; and very effective against dragons. He's the most complete, versatile and powerful Dragon Slayer seen thus far. Maybe Igneel Natsu has more destructive capacity or offensive power, but overall, God Serena is a more complete wizard.
How does it prove nothing? If one guy is standing and the other is knocked out on the floor that means that the guy who's standing either has greater durability or endurance (or both). There is literally no way around it.
Or that he was partially hit, unlike the other which was completely hit. I don't think any of them were knocked out, actually they weren't because they all seem to perceive Acnologia's MP when he appear, so they were conscious. They were just on the ground because they didn't want to get up (they knew they could do nothing). Maybe Jura felt the urge to get up and he did, that does not imply Hyberion or Warrod weren't "capable". Warrod seemed to be about to die when he got up and landed a direct hit on Serena.
What? Maybe if Laxus made absolutely zero improvements that would be the case, but Laxus quite clearly improved tremendously, just as much as Natsu did (minus Igneels power). Are you operating under the assumption that no one aside from Natsu improved? Because if so I could see where you are coming from, but everyone clearly improved. Some more then others, specifically those who have had highlighted potential at a young age like the dragons slayers, Jellal, Erza and Gray. The improvements are so large its pretty clear we have had a power inflation on our hands. Characters like Jura and Makarov don't improve as much, if at all, because they are old and have already reached their maximum potential.
If they were on the same league back in the GMG, and they had trained for one year, they'd still be on the same league now. But they aren't. It makes sense, since Laxus had plenty of time to train whereas Jura was busy taking care of other business.
No, I agree that Natsu, Laxus and Lucy improved and became about a 100% stronger than they were. Same goes for Wendy, who managed to master a partial Dragon Force transformation. Mira showed an interesting feat (absorbing Sheilah), and if she absorbed Etherias Sheilah, then it'd be her strongest take over; but still, she is not 100% stronger than before the timeskip, in my opinion.
As for Laxus, Erza, Elfman, Mira, Gray... I think they all improved quite a bit, but not massively.
The 4 wizard saints + Makarov stayed the same, and if they had time to train or improve, I'd say it was marginally.
Jura is not that old, he's probably on his prime or a little past that. As for Glidartz, I wouldn't like for him to be very superior to current Laxus, because he was past his prime, and any improvement should be marginal.
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