Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Gray wins

Dammit not this again

 

[Seven777]

Dammit not this again

Like the new profile pic by the way. Pain=best Naruto villain

 

[Ramen]

Like the new profile pic by the way. Pain=best Naruto villain

Appreciate it. Agree 100%. Pain >> Obito and Madara. Though Madara is my favourite character.

--- Double Post Merged, May 4, 2020, Original Post Date: May 4, 2020 ---

You guys remember when we all bonded to make fun of @Jean Grey and the way he looks despite us never seeing him before and he was nice to all of us?

We should do that again.

 

[sharkai]

The moment Jellal got serious, he immediately got the upper hand against Jura. He blitzed him multiple times; and his default go to move - Grand Chariot, required Jura's most defensive spell shown till date, to be blocked. And Jellal still had to play safe in order to not expose himself.
Makarov was also fairly confident that Jellal could take on Jura.
Jellal certainly had the same portrayal Jura had, if not more.

Wahl vs Laxus, I already agree with you on this one that it's BS. Why are you still bringing it up lol. Also, red lighting affecting Wahl itself wasn't BS, because around that time, some mercury fulminate explanation was floating around, and it being corrosive made it super effective on Wahl whose body has lots of metal......if it's just regular lightning, that would be BS.
What's BS here is Laxus pulling it out of his ass, out of nowhere.

I'd assume it has, what Laxus said afterwards was the typical FT speech. Like how Erza said : "you can't cut our bonds" and immediately whipped out DS sword against Kyria, even tho 'bonds' had nothing to do with her DS sword, it's just Wendy enchanting her swords lol. FT characters make un-necessary family/friend/bond remarks always, I don't take them as literal explanations for the most part.
But it's fine if you assume otherwise as well. It's just different interpretations.

Yes, data is little. But from what we've seen, Jura was superior to Laxus in combat, but Laxus won. He basically out lasted Jura here.

Azuma was above her, still she beat him. But at least there was kinda some explanation. I don't mind it too much and he still was in the same tier.
Buff'd Kyouka completely rekt relatively healthy Erza with swords and amrour, including red pants IIRC. Erza didn't even have a chance there. Clearly, buffed Kyouka (without hax) >>> "normal" Erza. Kyouka THEN (after stomping all her swords and armours) went onto increase pain sensitivity, and take away her senses. But, since then, relatively heavily injured Erza, without senses, with extreme pain intolerance, and without swords and armour; punched her way to victory. WTFFF? Literally Mary Sue, you could reduce her to mere skeleton and she's still win.
Eileen, you already agree.
No, Id' rather have some logical counter or no broken hax. I'd even rather have the hax fail all together, than what happened there. And even without hax, Kyouka was much stronger than 'normal' (i.e no BS) Erza as I explained before

Azuma threw everything and could not put erza down. He had to resort to tenrou tree where the bs began
Koyoka maybe above erza, i dont remember.

But if you look at laxus, hades was far above him.

Again my point only stand on laxus being faultless character. Who literally has no loses. While erza is stacking up loses. And nost of tye time, not because of she was weak, but because of hax. Ajeel and kiria are good examples

But yeah i wont deny that remove erza losses she also resembles a mary sue

 

[grey matter]

Azuma threw everything and could not put erza down. He had to resort to tenrou tree where the bs began
Koyoka maybe above erza, i dont remember.

But if you look at laxus, hades was far above him.

Again my point only stand on laxus being faultless character. Who literally has no loses. While erza is stacking up loses. And nost of tye time, not because of she was weak, but because of hax. Ajeel and kiria are good examples

But yeah i wont deny that remove erza losses she also resembles a mary sue

Well, doesn't that say something lol. Azuma tried everything he could, and she still wasn't put down, even though he was overwhelming her the entire fight. Erza has Infinite dura when the plot demands it. She apparently heard Jellal's voice from thousands of kms away and found inspiration to get up? She still went down, and got up again -_-
Normal Kyouka was Erza tier. But after being buffed by Sayla and using sensation on herself (suicide move), she became much much stronger than her normal self. She stomped all swords and armours of Erza, including red pants IIRC. And only THEN did she use her pain intolerance and remove sense hax....point being, Kyouka didn't need her haxes at that point to stomp Erza, she used haxes only to torture her in her final moments.


What? Hades was far above him, which was why Hades stomped him with a weaker Amaterasu formula than what Makarov tanked. It basically showed that Laxus can't do jack to opponents tiers above himself, if he faces such a scenario. Those are deserved for Natsu, Erza....and maybe Gildarts (cuz he's Gildarts) and Gray.

He lost against Hades, in fact got stomped. Laxus never wins against OP characters. He didn't lose since then because he didn't fight characters with as much hype (unlike Natsu and Erza). The most hyped character he fought since Hades was Jura, who was heavily implied be to <= Jellal.
Erza stacks up losses, when? Only against Neinhart IIRC, in the main series, since x791. Erza never loses when it matters. She lost against Neinhart because Jellal was there as a safety net. The other two were in x784: against Cobra (that's when everyone got stomped by OS to generate hype) and against Jellal (didn't lose clean)
In spin off, she lost against Kyria, but all of team Natsu got stomped. This situation is very similar to OS stomping in round 1 to generate hype.
Yes, Laxus hasn't had that many losses. He had two: against Natsu/Gajeel and against Hades. But that's because he doesn't get nearly as much screentime or fights as Erza does. Nor does he fight against characters with as much hype (Jura an exception). It's unfair comparison.
The character that fits your description is Gildarts, but that's fine because the entire character of Gildarts is to be fitting that description

She lost 3 times (2 if we discount Jellal) in the entire main series lol.
It's not even that she wins. It's the WAY she wins. The way she wins basically screams that there is literally nothing you can do to defeat her. As I said earlier, melt her to just bare bones and she'd still win lol

 

[sharkai]

"Just like most people" yes, quite so, most people do buy into some hype and not others and yet even so, when GL Nova and whoever else does exactly that the first thing you do is always do is cry LAXUS DROOL or EVERYONE HATES ERZA or YOU'RE ALL SO BIASED. Instead of acknowledging the point you used to defend yourself just now, that "most people buy some hype and not others". Which is why I'm "always running after you", because you're a hypocrite. So bring up as many random arguments I previously made as you want (Red Lightning is a particular good argument if I do say so myself, and you literally posted a manga panel making the Pantherlily one), it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day I have always maintained that I buy some hype and not others and always maintained that everything I, and everyone else on this forum says, is opinion.

Anyway, I do appreciate you acknowledging your bias and hatred for Laxus, we all knew it of course but hearing you say it is oh so sweet. You throwing this argument out to the public was pretty hilarious too. Continue with your fantasy that people treat Laxus better than Erza, I'll continue to call you out on your nonsense when the mood strikes me.

Good to know.
I will make sure to give you plenty more opportunities

Any way i would to like to bring even more of my baisness out on open
You know compare it with a non bais person like you yourself

Flexibility
Basically how much is one open to other view
In the talk above i mentioned belserion sword not being a big of boost, because i normally rank new sword or armor equal to a new spell. Because that is pretty much how they are used. New modes are generally cut above everything. And are also rare. Gray and gajeel got only one. Natsu got two thats it. New spells come and go.
@Seven777 mentioned something along the line of that they are equivalent boost.
Since it is not clearly mentioned in the manga. I give benefit of doubt to the opposing view. I might not like it but in any further conversation here, i would have treated them same.
(Of course final exchange didnt have belserion sword so now @Seven777 had to make ds seal an equivalent boost to red lightening mode, i brought it up later when i remembered)

Another one
Look at these images

Spoiler

Look at the last image center panel
See them standing
See the smoke in all directions
Does erza look more damaged than before
Is her wing armor damaged

Normal people at this point will conclude that these attacked canceled out each other
And since we know even freed can destroy erza heaven wing armor, reiko most likely didnt touch her

But @Seven777 pointed out erza requiping back. She has some smoke around her. So laxus won that exchange. A valid point.
So now i have a slight doubt in my mind. Again i will not argue here. That small smoke during requip might have meant laxus won that exchange.
I yield here as well.

Now lets compare unbais person like @Seven777 view
Belserion is a big of boost as red lightening mode.
Ok
Ds seal is also huge boost (mentioned no where in the manga)

Also about wahl weakness to lightening. @Seven777 wouldnt even entertain the concept that laxus might have exploited that

So this is generally a difference in flexibility between a bais person like me and unbais person like @Seven777

Hype acceptance
Here again i try to compare different hypes and their acceptance. Enemy hype compared to good guys

Phantom s class equal to fairy tail s class (rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Seven kins being so dangerous that natsu cant defeat them (rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Jura hype, jura can handle mira and erza at the same time (rejected by me, Accepted by @Seven777)

Springgans hype. Even team A combined cant take one springgan (rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

General ideas relating to strongest attack of strongest enemy aka bluenote jura

Bluenote black hole can be destroyed by Zancro
(rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Jura mt Fuji can be stopped or overpowered by sting
(rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Eileen dues sema can be stopped or overpowered by wahl (rejected by me, Accepted by @Seven777)


Ideas that suddenly changed because of one new feat or statement
It is generally accepted stronger mages have stronger durability
You wont see debate about phantom gajeel having higher durability compared to phantoms jose
You wont see even from me (unless i am making exact this point) comparing gmg kagura durability with gmg jura.
Mages who are atleast a tier stronger have stronger durability
Of course it all changed for @Seven777 when laxus hype came. He knew laxus is most important character in fairy tail. Thus changing one of the accepted rules of fairy tail for him is ok
So laxus can causally one shot kill ajeel.
Ajeel may be stronger than mira
Laxus cant one shot kill mira

Another one
If i asked you before a certain date to compare
Base natsu with df natsu with dragon natsu
One would easily answer
Df natsu low diff base natsu
Dragon natsu low diff df natsu

But suddenly erza happened.
Now rules again have to be changed (even though dragon also use dragon slayer magic)
Now base natsu is good enough to take out dragon natsu


Notice how exceptions are easily made when erza or laxus are involved


Anyway this just my bais. We know atleast @Seven777 isnt treating laxus better or worse than erza. Thank god he is here to fix me once in a while

 

[Demon Hunter]

You guys remember when we all bonded to make fun of @Jean Grey and the way he looks despite us never seeing him before and he was nice to all of us?

We should do that again.

hm didn't notice

I obviously don't have enough brain capacity to figure out that you guys have been trolling me

 

[Seven777]

Good to know.
I will make sure to give you plenty more opportunities

Any way i would to like to bring even more of my baisness out on open
You know compare it with a non bais person like you yourself

Flexibility
Basically how much is one open to other view
In the talk above i mentioned belserion sword not being a big of boost, because i normally rank new sword or armor equal to a new spell. Because that is pretty much how they are used. New modes are generally cut above everything. And are also rare. Gray and gajeel got only one. Natsu got two thats it. New spells come and go.
@Seven777 mentioned something along the line of that they are equivalent boost.
Since it is not clearly mentioned in the manga. I give benefit of doubt to the opposing view. I might not like it but in any further conversation here, i would have treated them same.
(Of course final exchange didnt have belserion sword so now @Seven777 had to make ds seal an equivalent boost to red lightening mode, i brought it up later when i remembered)

Another one
Look at these images

Spoiler

Look at the last image center panel
See them standing
See the smoke in all directions
Does erza look more damaged than before
Is her wing armor damaged

Normal people at this point will conclude that these attacked canceled out each other
And since we know even freed can destroy erza heaven wing armor, reiko most likely didnt touch her

But @Seven777 pointed out erza requiping back. She has some smoke around her. So laxus won that exchange. A valid point.
So now i have a slight doubt in my mind. Again i will not argue here. That small smoke during requip might have meant laxus won that exchange.
I yield here as well.
Now lets compare unbais person like @Seven777 view
Belserion is a big of boost as red lightening mode.
Ok
Ds seal is also huge boost (mentioned no where in the manga)

Also about wahl weakness to lightening. @Seven777 wouldnt even entertain the concept that laxus might have exploited that

So this is generally a difference in flexibility between a bais person like me and unbais person like @Seven777

For RL, I'm not really sure where all this "not entertained" business comes from, but I've certainly argued against it because the logic behind the argument for it is flawed. Not to mention the manga already suggesting Laxus could do it and Wahl's own statement that he's not weak to lightning. When evidence is stacked like that I tend to go against theories, I entertain it about as much as you entertain Erza receiving Makarovs help against Deus Sema.
I'm more or less happy with the rest of whats here, so I'll leave that as is.

Hype acceptance
Here again i try to compare different hypes and their acceptance. Enemy hype compared to good guys

Phantom s class equal to fairy tail s class (rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Seven kins being so dangerous that natsu cant defeat them (rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Jura hype, jura can handle mira and erza at the same time (rejected by me, Accepted by @Seven777)

Springgans hype. Even team A combined cant take one springgan (rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

General ideas relating to strongest attack of strongest enemy aka bluenote jura

Bluenote black hole can be destroyed by Zancro
(rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Jura mt Fuji can be stopped or overpowered by sting
(rejected by me, rejected by @Seven777)

Eileen dues sema can be stopped or overpowered by wahl (rejected by me, Accepted by @Seven777)

Few things wrong here.
1. Jura hype is kinda iffy to include in your list, in that I've always said Mira and Erza would've won.
2. As I recall I said Mt Fuji and Black Hole could be stopped by Erza
3. As I recall I said Laxus and Gildarts could bust Deus Sema, not Wahl. Unless we're talking Etherion I guess.
The rest is fine. Not really negative to Erza if i do say so myself.

Ideas that suddenly changed because of one new feat or statement
It is generally accepted stronger mages have stronger durability
You wont see debate about phantom gajeel having higher durability compared to phantoms jose
You wont see even from me (unless i am making exact this point) comparing gmg kagura durability with gmg jura.
Mages who are atleast a tier stronger have stronger durability
Of course it all changed for @Seven777 when laxus hype came. He knew laxus is most important character in fairy tail. Thus changing one of the accepted rules of fairy tail for him is ok
So laxus can causally one shot kill ajeel.
Ajeel may be stronger than mira
Laxus cant one shot kill mira

Nothing really changed, if you have feats of poor durability then you have poor durability. Makarov for instance has better durability than Neinhart, because Neinhart was oneshot by a nameless Fire DS punch.
I don't see how saying Laxus can't oneshot Mira is bias to Laxus, but whatever.

Another one
If i asked you before a certain date to compare
Base natsu with df natsu with dragon natsu
One would easily answer
Df natsu low diff base natsu
Dragon natsu low diff df natsu

But suddenly erza happened.
Now rules again have to be changed (even though dragon also use dragon slayer magic)
Now base natsu is good enough to take out dragon natsu


Notice how exceptions are easily made when erza or laxus are involved


Anyway this just my bais. We know atleast @Seven777 isnt treating laxus better or worse than erza. Thank god he is here to fix me once in a while

Not sure what you mean by this one or what this has to do with Erza, but Base Natsu>DF Natsu since the Zeref fight lol.

 

[GL_Nova]

on ship, Erza only used her DS sword but her guild mark didn't change

Spoiler

in her fight against Laxus, she used Dragon Seal and DS sword

Spoiler

her guild mark changed.

hm if Gray and Lucy don't reactivate their Dragon Seal then that means Wendy had to give Erza that before the fight or something.

even if she somehow did taught her, it was fast asf.

was it even a week after Merc arc???

I know they rested a day or two before going after Aldoron but I doubt they trained.

Just realized the difference. She didn't use the seal against Kiria, just the sword. So it's different against Laxus, she knew she needed the extra help. So that's definitely a boost.


I sincerely hope that she can. As mentioned before its a beautiful addition to her skillset and solves allot of issues. I'd be disappointed if she hadn't learned enchant at this point. Especially since it does nothing but take away from the story. Either way it's irrelevant. The magic doesn't come from Erza, she is either herself or by proxy, enchanting others the power didn't come from her, that's an outside boost. That's not a bad thing. Imagine a blow from an enraged Erza, with twin Laxus & Jellal axes, or Lance's or w/e.

--- Double Post Merged, May 4, 2020, Original Post Date: May 4, 2020 ---

I think this requires a separate response
A little clearer one

Erza and laxus comparison in ff arc. They were never compared before. Is saying aldron is equal or around vernes, hype for aldron? We had no way to compare them, default is agree to the statement.
This is not hype for erzs.
So does not come in category of hype being believed without question (eg jura can take mira and erza at the same time or laxus nuke on ajeel)

Eileen deus sema like bluenote black hole or gmg jura mt Fuji. No one other than top guys can stop it. With alot of problem. Everyone believes this including you, unless erza is involved

S class monster being ws tier. I believe this along with jura being 5th ws tier. Why should i believe one hype and not the other?

I believe gajeel might have been slightly stronger than aria, so i believe this hype. (So should not be in the disregard list)

Erza statement about natsu in phantom arc and ff arc. I dont believe either. You believe only one

--- Double Post Merged, May 3, 2020, Original Post Date: May 3, 2020 ---

Because saying laxus cant one shot aconologia makes people like you foam at the mouth. Its amusing.
Nothing else gets that reaction

Na, you are mis representative my position and making sh!t out of your a$$
Something you like to do alot

Who has said Laxus could one shot Acno?

 

[LaGOAT]

I just want to bring this up from Each character perspective starting from natsu

natsu opinion; he always thought Gildartz and laxus were the top dogs in the guild (gray did too) I can’t remember when natsu thought erza was Stronger than him he always thought he can down any1 except laxus and Gildartz with confidence. He even admit that Laxus is stronger than him hence why looks up to him and also Gildartz

erza opinion: she always thought natsu was as strong or even stronger than her. She knew that Gildartz is stronger than her. But as for laxus she never thought laxus was as strong as them or even or even as strong as herself which she always wonder why natsu looks up to him when she feels that shouldnt the case hence why she was shock vs the hades fight and vs herself.Now she fully understand that Laxus isn’t no slouch and acknowledge his strength.

laxus opinion:from the BoS to FF laxus thought he was stronger than every1 minus makarov and Gildartz ( he wasn’t sure about mystogan hence he wanted to fight him) ya u can say he was cocky But he wasnt arrogant I mean he wasn’t wrong about the power scaling. But after his defeat to natsu and gajeel he calm down he stop caring about that and understood to never underestimate any1 hence his fight with Jura/giving his power to natsu.

overall the powerscaling in the guild hasnt change that much And as for the three characters it’s till laxus>erza>=natsu just like back in the day

 

[ald7mi_99]

I just want to bring this up from Each character perspective starting from natsu

natsu opinion; he always thought Gildartz and laxus were the top dogs in the guild (gray did too) I can’t remember when natsu thought erza was Stronger than him he always thought he can down any1 except laxus and Gildartz with confidence. He even admit that Laxus is stronger than him hence why looks up to him and also Gildartz

erza opinion: she always thought natsu was as strong or even stronger than her. She knew that Gildartz is stronger than her. But as for laxus she never thought laxus was as strong as them or even or even as strong as herself which she always wonder why natsu looks up to him when she feels that shouldnt the case hence why she was shock vs the hades fight and vs herself.Now she fully understand that Laxus isn’t no slouch and acknowledge his strength.

laxus opinion:from the BoS to FF laxus thought he was stronger than every1 minus makarov and Gildartz ( he wasn’t sure about mystogan hence he wanted to fight him) ya u can say he was cocky But he wasnt arrogant I mean he wasn’t wrong about the power scaling. But after his defeat to natsu and gajeel he calm down he stop caring about that and understood to never underestimate any1 hence his fight with Jura/giving his power to natsu.

overall the powerscaling in the guild hasnt change that much And as for the three characters it’s till laxus>erza>=natsu just like back in the day

why did you exclude DF natsu and gildartz or you don't like to include anyone who's above laxus??

and the right power scalling is like this

natsu(DF)>gildratz>>laxus>=erza>=natsu(FDK
>mira>gajeel=gray

 

[Raven]

Natsu > Laxus >= Erza > Gray >= Gajeel

 

[LaGOAT]

why did you exclude DF natsu and gildartz or you don't like to include anyone who's above laxus??

and the right power scalling is like this

natsu(DF)>gildratz>>laxus>=erza>=natsu(FDK
>mira>gajeel=gray

Yes DF natsu is stronger but the problem is it will drain all his power after use using one attack

2. I was about these 3 characters no1 else

 

[ald7mi_99]

Yes DF natsu is stronger but the problem is it will drain all his power after use using one attack

2. I was about these 3 characters no1 else

against zeref he used all of his magic power in that attack he deosn't need to put all of his magic power in one attack to beat the likes of erza and laxus

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Which place does Jura belong to in the power ranking?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

With Aldron and Selene FT verse might soon reach Planetary levels of power

 

[Ramen]

Which place does Jura belong to in the power ranking?

Nowhere near the top lol

--- Double Post Merged, May 9, 2020, Original Post Date: May 9, 2020 ---

With Aldron and Selene FT verse might soon reach Planetary levels of power

Not even close.

 

[mwarren100]

With Aldron and Selene FT verse might soon reach Planetary levels of power

Star level Lucy and Jellal coming right up.

 

[grey matter]

Star level Lucy and Jellal coming right up.

Lucy is building level

 

[Ramen]

Lucy is building level

She's small convenient store level.