Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

I said low-mid. Somewhere between.

Mid diff.

 

[Ronin31]

Well, I respect your opinions... by the way, I don't think Spriggan acknoledge the fact Eileen is a Dragon. Only Zeleph acknoledged that and I think he keeped that secret because of her curse. Brandish is not really close to her so she is talking to her as a wizard.

When I see the fight between the two, well Erza is really more reactive after the Wendy's falling, on no comparaison, as her power skyrockets on the emergence of the meteor. Broken ok, but magic far in the sky. Erza is like that.

I think you underestimate the 2 women.

But ok, you have your opinion, I have mine

 

[grey matter]

Well, I respect your opinions... by the way, I don't think Spriggan acknoledge the fact Eileen is a Dragon. Only Zeleph acknoledged that and I think he keeped that secret because of her curse. Brandish is not really close to her so she is talking to her as a wizard.

When I see the fight between the two, well Erza is really more reactive after the Wendy's falling, on no comparaison, as her power skyrockets on the emergence of the meteor. Broken ok, but magic far in the sky. Erza is like that.

I think you underestimate the 2 women.

But ok, you have your opinion, I have mine

Pretty sure that the top members of Alverez empire knew that Eileen has a dragon form (Zeref, August, Invel etc). August was still considered the strongest Spriggan.
Some of the mentions:

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Gildarts and August being mentioned as the strongest of Fairy Tail, and Spriggans, respectively:

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August is the strongest Spriggan:

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I'm pretty sure there are more mentions of August being the strongest, in the manga. August at his full power, even if it's marginally, is above Eileen at her full power.
It's likely that Brandish's opinion is based on her perception of both their magic power, which seems to be comparable. She didn't seem to know both of their powers well, but their huge magic power is something that she can sense and thus try to scale.


Not sure what you meant there lol


I think you massively overestimate both of them. You think August, who no diff'd Jellal and his entire guild; and pretty much no diff'd Gildarts also (tanked his strongest attack, which was his only source of damage, with little injury), will struggle against Erza (injured at that) like human Eileen did?
How strong do you think Erza is ?!? Is she gonna no diff Jellal, who's portrayed to be Laxus level, like August did? Erza needed multiple boosts to give extreme diff to Laxus.
Let me ask you this: how is Erza vs Jellal gonna go? What diff?


Sure

 

[Ronin31]

A fight is not only pure raw strength but magic effectivity. August Tanked All Crash and Fairy Glitter without any injuries but had to dodge Kana's cards. Do you think Kana is stronger than Gildarts ? The all mighty August can't duplicate invocative magic without tools but can counter all others. Everybody has a weakness.

As for Eileen vs August, I don't see him resisting to a physical crush. He would be broken as Erza was. A Dragon has a massive resistance to physical and classical magic attack, and without Dragon Slaying magic, the Dragon weakness, you can't fight them.

I respect others opinions, why not respecting mine ? Perhaps you are right, perhaps I am right....
We are here to have fun, right ? .

 

[grey matter]

A fight is not only pure raw strength but magic effectivity. August Tanked All Crash and Fairy Glitter without any injuries but had to dodge Kana's cards. Do you think Kana is stronger than Gildarts ? The all mighty August can't duplicate invocative magic without tools but can counter all others. Everybody has a weakness.

As for Eileen vs August, I don't see him resisting to a physical crush. He would be broken as Erza was. A Dragon has a massive resistance to physical and classical magic attack, and without Dragon Slaying magic, the Dragon weakness, you can't fight them.

I respect others opinions, why not respecting mine ? Perhaps you are right, perhaps I am right....
We are here to have fun, right ? .

It's not like Cana's cards did any damage at all. He tanked Gildarts strongest attack, which he wasn't immune to. If he can tank Gildarts' strongest attack with little damage, fodder Cana's cards will literally do zero damage. Him dodging Cana's attack was pure plot contrivance, in order to give Gildarts an idea of August's ability. Basically Mashima tried to replicate Erza vs Midnight, but utterly fell flat lmao.
Anyway, human Eileen only has caster magic. So, I don't see how she can do anything to August. That was my original point. She would require dragon form to be able to give August difficulties

I doubt it. He tanked a full power attack from Gildarts with very little damage
DF Natsu took attacks from dragons as well (against Animus and against Merc), and fought tanking them. Just because Erza was damaged a lot by it, doesn't mean others will be.
August can easily copy DS magic, so he can still win. And it's not like Dragons can't be damaged without DS magic as well, DS magic is just more effective since it bypass their armour.

Sure, I have no problem with you lol. But we're here to have discussions, that's the point of the thread, to discuss power levels. I mean, if we're just to say opinions and not defend them, what's the point lol

 

[Ronin31]

I agree for discussions, but I stay in my position too . This Topic is not about Eileen and August so we are out subject.

the best wizard here may be Gildarts. I don't see who can compete with him without emotional power, even if I am a Laxus fan

 

[grey matter]

I agree for discussions, but I stay in my position too . This Topic is not about Eileen and August so we are out subject.

the best wizard here may be Gildarts. I don't see who can compete with him without emotional power, even if I am a Laxus fan

It's kinda relevant, since it was being used to argue Erza vs Gildarts
I think you only bought it up lol

Natsu can defeat Gildarts if he use DF. If not, yes, nobody can even come close.
This is my list:
- DF Natsu
- Gildarts
- Laxus
- FDKM Natsu
- Erza
- ISM Gajeel
- Mira
- DeS Gray
- (Eileen mode) Wendy
- Elfman
- Freed
- Wendy
- Lucy
- Cana
- Juvia
- Bickslow
- Lissana
- the rest

 

[Ronin31]

Thank you for your list.

I am not sure Natsu can tap into Dragon Force as will, he may have emotional conditions to do that. Even so, in this climax mode, he can use only a massive lethal fatal blow, or a very few. It is incredibly powerful, I agree, but if Gildarts can tank or crush this fatal attack, then Natsu is done because of out of Magic.

For me, a list is not exaustive because a weaker magic can be more effective on a stronger opponent. I will try and I bet it is without any emotional power up but going all out to death : for Wendy, I don't take account of Eillen's power, only her natural Dragon Force.

Gildarts
Erza
Laxus
Natsu / Grey
Gajeel / Mira
Elfman / Freed
Lucy / Wendy / Kana / Juvia

 

[grey matter]

Erza without POF above Laxus, even though she just lost, even with multiple external buffs? Wew

Natsu is far stronger than Gray IMO as well. FDKM is a much bigger powerup than DeS mode. But in base, yeah I can see them being around same level

 

[Ronin31]

well she used enchants that was taught to her by Wendy. So it is her own power now, as well as Laxus has a far boost power up by red Lightning control.

But for me, the difference resides in that they weren't fightning in the same mood condition. She was tanking more than being agressive and can't see him as an ennemi, just as a friend who will replace her during her journey (so she is smiling at the end because Laxus has grown stronger and can protect everyone).

People say that Laxus is by far more powerful than her, I respect and I was thinking the same. But if so, why passing into his new power mode if he is so confident to win, unless he trashed Kyria in his primal ?

The fight ends in a mismatch so their powers are close. I am Laxus fan and I was happy to see him trash Erza's armor like paper, and so, I was thinking he will trash her in this mode but not. She tanked him until the end.

I don't agree about Natsu and Grey. Natsu is more explosive and has a far potency agressive power that give incredible damage. Grey's nature, on contrary, is to immobilise and conter attack. I think Natsu has a far beyond attack and Grey a far beyond defense. When they were into Demons, they were even. And END wasn't pure demon, he was amalgam of humain, dragon and demon being. So Devil slayer is not as affective as he may be against Mira who take demon's body. A raw power is not the ultimate parameter to win a fight. Grey is more strategic for exemple and can bypass the difference between their attack's difference. I see Natsu more powerful and Grey more versatile. This is why I put them in the same level (it is approxima).

 

[bugen]

Thank you for your list.

I am not sure Natsu can tap into Dragon Force as will, he may have emotional conditions to do that. Even so, in this climax mode, he can use only a massive lethal fatal blow, or a very few. It is incredibly powerful, I agree, but if Gildarts can tank or crush this fatal attack, then Natsu is done because of out of Magic.

For me, a list is not exaustive because a weaker magic can be more effective on a stronger opponent. I will try and I bet it is without any emotional power up but going all out to death : for Wendy, I don't take account of Eillen's power, only her natural Dragon Force.

Gildarts
Erza
Laxus
Natsu / Grey
Gajeel / Mira
Elfman / Freed
Lucy / Wendy / Kana / Juvia

I really like your opinions and your list.
I would still make some changes to my opinion.

According to which Erza is somewhat superior to Laxus, because of her having gone seriously she surely would have won after the slash of swords fire and ice.
Still, that is just speculation, so let's play it safe, that is double ko between the two.
She lost and acknowledged her defeat, he acknowledged not winning and being in the same situation as her, Kyria stated that the two defeated each other and Mashima put double ko, so it would put them on the same level to both.
The option to get up before her the most sensible thing is for the shock of losing control of the WW like the others, for example Mirajane-Elfman who were just knocked out by Gray a moment ago and are intact now, or even those who were asleep in the cocoon of Nebal.
It could also be that laxus woke up on his own (unlikely), yet that doesn't change the fact that the two of them knocked each other out.

Then Mirajane would put it on top of Gray, or at least on the same level.

Gildarts
Erza/Laxus/Natsu
Mira/Grey/Gajeel
Wendy /Elfman / Freed
Lucy /Kana / Juvia

 

[Ronin31]

According to which Erza is somewhat superior to Laxus, because of her having gone seriously she surely would have won after the slash of swords fire and ice.
Still, that is just speculation, so let's play it safe, that is double ko between the two.

This is what I was saying and, I think, this is why Laxus said to Erza to stop holding back because this is not a fight between friends anymore. I think, if Laxus was a real ennemi, Erza should have won by this slashing but she was barely holding back to not make a fatal blow. And according to Laxus's statement, I think he was thinking the same. This is why I was unhappy because, maybe, I am a Laxus fan, but we have to see a fight with all things (I don't know, if I will be understood, my english is just little limited, sorry ). Then after, she couldn't see him as an ennemi, look at her smile and speeches before falling.

But ok with you, I play it safe, they were evenly match. I don't think he woke up on his own (but I can be wrong), but because of Magic return control. He and Erza felt down because of their reserve (and injuries of course) but when Toka loosed control, the magic returns to people who were brainwatched, so his empty reserve immerge well and could wake up. The fact is that he didn't remember where he is, and what happen to Erza, proved that he was clairly brainwatched, and not himself. He was out of mind, like a berserker.

for the list, yeah Natsu is crazy strong, but I don't see him on Laxus' and Erza's level. Raw power is only way to fight for Natsu while Erza and Laxus are tank and more versatile, smarter too, the same way as Grey, but I put Grey below their power level to conterpart.

As for Grey and Mira, I still think Grey has the edge with devil Slayer but will not use it at full power against a friend because he will loose his humanity.

So ok, to be fair play :
Gildarts
Erza / Laxus
Natsu / Grey
Gajeel / Mira
Elfman / Freed
Lucy / Wendy / Kana / Juvia

 

[bugen]

This is what I was saying and, I think, this is why Laxus said to Erza to stop holding back because this is not a fight between friends anymore. I think, if Laxus was a real ennemi, Erza should have won by this slashing but she was barely holding back to not make a fatal blow. And according to Laxus's statement, I think he was thinking the same. This is why I was unhappy because, maybe, I am a Laxus fan, but we have to see a fight with all things (I don't know, if I will be understood, my english is just little limited, sorry ). Then after, she couldn't see him as an ennemi, look at her smile and speeches before falling.

But ok with you, I play it safe, they were evenly match. I don't think he woke up on his own (but I can be wrong), but because of Magic return control. He and Erza felt down because of their reserve (and injuries of course) but when Toka loosed control, the magic returns to people who were brainwatched, so his empty reserve immerge well and could wake up. The fact is that he didn't remember where he is, and what happen to Erza, proved that he was clairly brainwatched, and not himself. He was out of mind, like a berserker.

for the list, yeah Natsu is crazy strong, but I don't see him on Laxus' and Erza's level. Raw power is only way to fight for Natsu while Erza and Laxus are tank and more versatile, smarter too, the same way as Grey, but I put Grey below their power level to conterpart.

As for Grey and Mira, I still think Grey has the edge with devil Slayer but will not use it at full power against a friend because he will loose his humanity.

So ok, to be fair play :
Gildarts
Erza / Laxus
Natsu / Grey
Gajeel / Mira
Elfman / Freed
Lucy / Wendy / Kana / Juvia

I'm glad to read you, very good reviews.

I totally agree with you, regarding Erza and Laxus.

With Natsu it seems to me more weaker than Erza and laxus as long as natsu is on base, but if he enters dragon force if I see him superior, but of course, natsu cannot enter dragon force at will, because he needs external help for it ( feelings of friendship as with Gray vs Mard gerd) or the flames of Jellal.

And Wendy I see her strong too because she can enter her dragon force at will (much weaker than Natsu's) and she has her enchantments and magic of healing and increasing statistics.

 

[Ronin31]

Thank you bugen, my pleasure .

It is only my opinion so I accept different ways... I am perhaps wrong but this is how I can see all of the scene before watching this as like as a specific character fan. For me, my 3 best characters are Natsu, Laxus and Grey.

I agree with you, Wendy has grown in strength and maturity, with strong enchants and Dragon Force. I think her Dragon Force is not "weaker" than Natsu's, it make the same, exploit all her potential. It looks weaker because of the strength difference between them. To compare, Super Saiyajin Goten can't compare to Super Saiyajin Goku but it is the same fonction. I hope you understand this way .

As Dragon Force Natsu, he is very very strong, perhaps on par with Gildarts, Laxus or Erza's level. Maybe, I don't know. But this incredible power fulled his magic in a few blows or unique immense fatal blow like he did to Zeleph before falling out of reserve. If you can resist or dodge this incredible lethal charge, then, you can bypass him. Like I said, raw strength is important but not a single way to win a fight. A character strong like Gildarts, Laxus or Erza, those tanks, if they can conter the charge, then it is over. So in raw power, I put him on perhaps Gildarts level for a moment, but in effectivity, I put him below Laxus and Erza's level.

 

[bugen]

Thank you bugen, my pleasure .

It is only my opinion so I accept different ways... I am perhaps wrong but this is how I can see all of the scene before watching this as like as a specific character fan. For me, my 3 best characters are Natsu, Laxus and Grey.

I agree with you, Wendy has grown in strength and maturity, with strong enchants and Dragon Force. I think her Dragon Force is not "weaker" than Natsu's, it make the same, exploit all her potential. It looks weaker because of the strength difference between them. To compare, Super Saiyajin Goten can't compare to Super Saiyajin Goku but it is the same fonction. I hope you understand this way .

As Dragon Force Natsu, he is very very strong, perhaps on par with Gildarts, Laxus or Erza's level. Maybe, I don't know. But this incredible power fulled his magic in a few blows or unique immense fatal blow like he did to Zeleph before falling out of reserve. If you can resist or dodge this incredible lethal charge, then, you can bypass him. Like I said, raw strength is important but not a single way to win a fight. A character strong like Gildarts, Laxus or Erza, those tanks, if they can conter the charge, then it is over. So in raw power, I put him on perhaps Gildarts level for a moment, but in effectivity, I put him below Laxus and Erza's level.

Yes, Wendy looks less strong in Dragon Force because of her stats compared to Natsu.

Now we have to wait if Jellal or Guildarts have had any kind of power up.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Erza without POF above Laxus, even though she just lost, even with multiple external buffs? Wew

with possible plot holes as well, like Seven777 and I were discussing the other day.

 

[Ronin31]

Yeah I agree. I hope Jellal will put a great fight against the god seed.

For Gildarts, I think it is difficult to give him a power up. We can't see him, and his marge progress will be less than others. You progress quicker beginning lvl 1 than beginning lvl 50 for exemple. I think, he is at his limit or nearly....

In my opinion, Laxus has grown crazy stronger in a year, physically and in raw power, even without Red Lightning. Now controlling this mode, I think he is approaching Arbaless Gildarts' level.

 

[bugen]

Yeah I agree. I hope Jellal will put a great fight against the god seed.

For Gildarts, I think it is difficult to give him a power up. We can't see him, and his marge progress will be less than others. You progress quicker beginning lvl 1 than beginning lvl 50 for exemple. I think, he is at his limit or nearly....

In my opinion, Laxus has grown crazy stronger in a year, physically and in raw power, even without Red Lightning. Now controlling this mode, I think he is approaching Arbaless Gildarts' level.

Yes, I think Laxus was close to the Gildarts level since the Tenrou Island saga.

Laxus with his red lightning is really to Gildarts level (Alvarez), as I see it too.

I always compared Laxus to Jellal in terms of power-rivalry, so I look forward to seeing if Jellal has gotten any better.

 

[Ronin31]

Just in my opinion, during Tenro Island, Gildarts was clearly the strongest wizard and I don't think Laxus could compete with him this time. And none other...
(In the anime, Hades said that Makarov had a wizard on the Gildarts Level speaking of Laxus, but not in the Manga. For reference I only take the Manga).

I think now, with his drastic power-up, he can manage to compete Gildarts strength (if no evolution for him), but I thing the Fairy Tail's Ace has still the power and experience average.

As for Jellal, I am waiting for his fight against the God Seed to compare. Because right now, with Laxus' new Boost, I think he can't compete. For now, Laxus is stronger by far physically (strength and tank), and I think his lethal blow would obliterate Jellal. But after that fight, perhaps I will change my mind.
In comparaison, for now, Jellal has only strategic average on Laxus and mobility on par.
To be clear, I think Jellal is on Yellow Lightning level for now, which is far below Red Lightning

 

[bugen]

Just in my opinion, during Tenro Island, Gildarts was clearly the strongest wizard and I don't think Laxus could compete with him this time. And none other...
(In the anime, Hades said that Makarov had a wizard on the Gildarts Level speaking of Laxus, but not in the Manga. For reference I only take the Manga).

I think now, with his drastic power-up, he can manage to compete Gildarts strength (if no evolution for him), but I thing the Fairy Tail's Ace has still the power and experience average.

As for Jellal, I am waiting for his fight against the God Seed to compare. Because right now, with Laxus' new Boost, I think he can't compete. For now, Laxus is stronger by far physically (strength and tank), and I think his lethal blow would obliterate Jellal. But after that fight, perhaps I will change my mind.
In comparaison, for now, Jellal has only strategic average on Laxus and mobility on par.
To be clear, I think Jellal is on Yellow Lightning level for now, which is far below Red Lightning

Well, I also follow manga and not anime.
on the island tenrou laxus gave combat to the same hades, while Gildarts defeated with a little difficulty the second strongest (Bluenote), that's why I put it at a close level, only close.

Later in the magic games they put Jura at the Gildarts level of Tenrou and Laxus managed to defeat him with extreme difficulty.
that's why my thought that Laxus is close to the Gildarts level is there, and now even closer thanks to the red lightning.

with Jellal and laxus then Mashima has put the two with rivalries several times, so I still think they are on the same terms, to know if it is true.