Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ronin31]

I understand your opinion.

- To me, yes Laxus managed to give some blows to Hades, but clearly, couldn't compete. Quickly, Hades made the difference between them.
- Gildarts matched clearly Bluenote on the beginning when his friends have been run away (I think he Held his own because of collateral impact who would hurt his running friends) and then felt out of Magic due to Azuma trick. With magic regain and no people around he has obliterated the most powerful Bluenote's attack by Crush and then one shot him. We knows that Hades was a stronger wizard than Bluenote, but not with a large gap in my opinion.

Gildarts vs Hades would be an interesting fight this time line.

Laxus has always been portrayed as a Power monster. So he has grown between Tenro line and the Game enougth to compete and match the fifth Saint Wizard which is clearly, amazing at this time. But I think Gildarts is still over them. Makarov explained that the massive Jura's power attack on the machine shoud rival to Gildarts, but Kana,her daughter, clearly surpassed the prediction and destroyed the machine. I think, in the same way, Gildarts also should destroyed the machine with All Crush. But this is about raw power. I think physically, they can compete. But the strongest Gildarts average is his experience and the effectivity of his Magic : he can destroy ennemi's attack.

Understand, during the Games, I think Laxus has clearly reduce the gap between them, by far.

As for Jellal, I think he is one of the best balanced character in the Manga. Natsu has a massive offensive technique, Grey is more defensive and strategic.
I think Jellal is the combinaison of the two : strong magic attack, strong magic defense, versatile elementals magic, great mobility and smart. Just for me, his weakness is his durability. This is why, at this moment, I put him on Classical Laxus's level, which make him really impressive. I really don't underestimate Jellal at all. If power-up, I can change my mind and put him to another peak.

 

[bugen]

I understand your opinion.

- To me, yes Laxus managed to give some blows to Hades, but clearly, couldn't compete. Quickly, Hades made the difference between them.
- Gildarts matched clearly Bluenote on the beginning when his friends have been run away (I think he Held his own because of collateral impact who would hurt his running friends) and then felt out of Magic due to Azuma trick. With magic regain and no people around he has obliterated the most powerful Bluenote's attack by Crush and then one shot him. We knows that Hades was a stronger wizard than Bluenote, but not with a large gap in my opinion.

Gildarts vs Hades would be an interesting fight this time line.

Laxus has always been portrayed as a Power monster. So he has grown between Tenro line and the Game enougth to compete and match the fifth Saint Wizard which is clearly, amazing at this time. But I think Gildarts is still over them. Makarov explained that the massive Jura's power attack on the machine shoud rival to Gildarts, but Kana,her daughter, clearly surpassed the prediction and destroyed the machine. I think, in the same way, Gildarts also should destroyed the machine with All Crush. But this is about raw power. I think physically, they can compete. But the strongest Gildarts average is his experience and the effectivity of his Magic : he can destroy ennemi's attack.

Understand, during the Games, I think Laxus has clearly reduce the gap between them, by far.

As for Jellal, I think he is one of the best balanced character in the Manga. Natsu has a massive offensive technique, Grey is more defensive and strategic.
I think Jellal is the combinaison of the two : strong magic attack, strong magic defense, versatile elementals magic, great mobility and smart. Just for me, his weakness is his durability. This is why, at this moment, I put him on Classical Laxus's level, which make him really impressive. I really don't underestimate Jellal at all. If power-up, I can change my mind and put him to another peak.

I agree.
Yes, clearly Hades was superior to laxus in that fight, but the fact that Laxus gave him a fight is already a more than enough fact in my opinion.

As for Jura he was a holy magician with enough experience and great power, the fact that Laxus defeated him was effective evidence.

Yes, with Jellal he is very complete, besides that he is very intelligent, technically he has everything (what a good boyfriend Erza is going to have)

 

[Ramen]

Jura wouldn't last 10 seconds against Gildarts.

 

[ald7mi_99]

Thanks for your answer. I think Natsu can't enter into Dragon Force at will without any circonstance. He must have 2 factors :
- 1 : a burning rage at his climax
- 2 : a circonstance that make him enrage that way (when he fought Mard Geer, he enraged seeing Grey's sacrifice to memento mori and so didn't want fail Igneel's mission which gave him all of the 14 years answering // climax burning aginst Zeleph who wanted to erase his world, erasing everyone he loves)
- 3 : a vast amont of Fire elemental absorbed like Etherion or Jellal's flame.
So I don't think he can tap in it at will alone without the 1 and 2 ways like Wendy.

All out and without Potential emotional powers, I think Gildarts and Erza are on the same level. Mashima gave us a parallel during Arbaless : August is the strongest of the Spriggan. No, you must take the strongest woman in account, that her power rival his own as un wizard. I think, he made the parallel for Gildarts, the strongest man and Erza, the strongest woman. They are evenly match.

to complete this parallel, Eileen is the strongest "wizard" but can tap into a far more power scale where can't compete August. The Dragon Form gave her a great boost of her enchants and her body's capacities skyrocket in no comparaison, the same way the potential of Erza skyrocket when her people are about to die and she wants to sacrifice herself to save everyone, making her momentaly unstoppable.

So, in my opinion, Gildarts and Erza without potential power.

what erza is equal to gildarts WTF!!!?
she is not even stronger than laxus and natsu
and you are saying equal to gildarts
and her fight with eileen becuase she was her doughter not because she is the strongest

and for natsu he can enter DF at will just like
how it shown in zeref fight the only time he was raged when he pulled out savage flames other than natsu wasn't raged at all

 

[Ronin31]

For the finish, Yes, Eileen should have killed Erza at the end without her smile that reminds her the love for her daughter. She was ended. I agree... And she could one shot her at the beginning of the fight while she was toying about her weakness even with Wendy's enchants.

But emotional source gave Erza incredible increase power until pushes Eileen so crazy (The Dragon Form she hated) destroyed her body in one slap and wanted to finish her with a météor, like other people around the place. I don't think Erza is stronger than Eileen, but she has her magic potential. Cats doesn't make dogs. Erza could destroy her enchant with one usefull arm (a full broken body) and then hurted her through the dragon scales before falling.

But this power level only has grown with emotional circonstances. She can't tap into this potential power as will. Only when ready to make sacrifice to save the people she loves.
- is Laxus' body potentially tougher than a dragon scales ?
I really love Laxus, more than I like Erza, but I think, her potential is beyond.

I respect you don't agree. It is just only my opinion.

For Natsu, perhaps you are right, but I think he must have a catalyst to boost his rage over normal. Against Zeleph, this one wanted to erase everything he loves. So he was burning more than ever. It was the same thing that Erza did with Eileen.

 

[grey matter]

with possible plot holes as well, like Seven777 and I were discussing the other day.

With all due respect to those making them, I just dont get some of these arguments man.

 

[Demon Hunter]

With all due respect to those making them, I just dont get some of these arguments man.

I'm actually thinking not to debate anymore.

I think it's useless tbh.

just give me some spotlight for some characters (Gajeel, Jellal, Gray, Lucy Juvia maybe even Sting and Rogue) and gg.

don't care if it makes sense.

now, obviously I don't want Happy to go in and whoop some Dragon God or whatever.

I'm actually doing it.

 

[Ronin31]

I agree with Jean Grey to stop to debate too. I will vote Happy for facts : he is stronger than Panther Lily.

 

[Demon Hunter]

just go for what it makes sense narratively and screw it

 

[grey matter]

well she used enchants that was taught to her by Wendy. So it is her own power now, as well as Laxus has a far boost power up by red Lightning control.

But for me, the difference resides in that they weren't fightning in the same mood condition. She was tanking more than being agressive and can't see him as an ennemi, just as a friend who will replace her during her journey (so she is smiling at the end because Laxus has grown stronger and can protect everyone).

People say that Laxus is by far more powerful than her, I respect and I was thinking the same. But if so, why passing into his new power mode if he is so confident to win, unless he trashed Kyria in his primal ?

The fight ends in a mismatch so their powers are close. I am Laxus fan and I was happy to see him trash Erza's armor like paper, and so, I was thinking he will trash her in this mode but not. She tanked him until the end.

I don't agree about Natsu and Grey. Natsu is more explosive and has a far potency agressive power that give incredible damage. Grey's nature, on contrary, is to immobilise and conter attack. I think Natsu has a far beyond attack and Grey a far beyond defense. When they were into Demons, they were even. And END wasn't pure demon, he was amalgam of humain, dragon and demon being. So Devil slayer is not as affective as he may be against Mira who take demon's body. A raw power is not the ultimate parameter to win a fight. Grey is more strategic for exemple and can bypass the difference between their attack's difference. I see Natsu more powerful and Grey more versatile. This is why I put them in the same level (it is approxima).

She may or maynot know enchantment herself, that's not the point.
Point is: we know for a fact that Wendy is the source of Dragon Seal and DS sword. We know for a fact that Natsu and Gray are the source of her Fire DrS and Ice DeS swords, even if she enchanted them herself, she can't do it without Natsu & Gray because she doesn't know Fire DrS magic or ice DeS magic herself.

Laxus was in the same mood as well. He didn't have any killing intent towards her
She was tanking more because Laxus was overwhelming her in combat. There is a reason why she wished for Natsu or Gray to be with her, in the fight. Because she doesn't think she's strong enough to solo.

He went into RL mode because Erza activated Dragon Seal. We saw how Erza was faring before that, got her lighting resistant armour destroyed in a punch.

That's what Erza does, tank everything you throw at her. Laxus was overwhelming her the entire fight (except in the last chapter where they gave upon defending and just spammed attacks), and the fight still ended almost in a draw.....purely because of how tanky Erza is.
She's the ultimate tank, she can keep taking in damage, even have her bones broken and still fight. Such a BS character. Think about it, Erza was screaming in pain from regular lightning punches with her lightning resistant armour. And she's now tanking Laxus' RL attacks with zero resistance or armour, and keeping on fighting? Yeaaa, very logical there Mashima......like I said BS character, nothing can put her down including breaking all her bones, or taking away all her senses. I was honestly surprised Laxus won, considering he fought the queen of BS

If you're talking about Darkness Gray, who appeared in Alverez, then yea. But he doesn't have that power anymore. Unless we see him using that mode again, I'm going to assume it was a one time thing.
Regular DeS Gray will at most give high diff to Natsu.

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I'm actually thinking not to debate anymore.

I think it's useless tbh.

just give me some spotlight for some characters (Gajeel, Jellal, Gray, Lucy Juvia maybe even Sting and Rogue) and gg.

don't care if it makes sense.

now, obviously I don't want Happy to go in and whoop some Dragon God or whatever.

I'm actually doing it.

I'm almost reaching that point lol.

I hope, but don't expect.
Not even Gray and Lucy are getting respect, what makes you think side characters will? It's Natsu, Erza and Wendy show now -_-

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I got back into the spin off because side characters were coming back. TBH, the only reason I'm still reading this is because Laxus got a fight, thus making me hopeful of characters not named Natsu, Erza or Wendy; hopefully others get their shot too but so far they've been treated with utter disregard. Off screens fights galore! If the god seeds except Wendy's and Natsu's get off screened again, I'm out FR

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I hope Natsu can get his hand on a fire that freeze things, So then Gray can become even more irrelevant.

 

[grey matter]

I hope Natsu can get his hand on a fire that freeze things, So then Gray can become even more irrelevant.

Better, just off that character and put him out of his misery. Gray has been treated with nothing but disrespect, since the end of Tartarus arc.

Alverez arc:
Came into the arc, with hype 2nd only to Natsu (IMO).
Came into the arc with hype & foreshadowing of facing END, fought END because of ridiculous reasons (horrible path into the foreshadowed fight), got his destined and foreshadowed fight with END ruined by Erza's friendship BS, tried iced shell for the nth time, failed iced shell for the nth time, and ended up being Lucy's refrigerator -_-

Spin off:
Didn't get a single on screen fight, almost got one shot by Skullion (at least that was the implication I got), is constantly getting shat on by his Cana and even his girl (all of who did nothing and just sat on their ass) for having difficulty against injured Mira and Elfman.


Why is this guy a MC again? Why is this guy 'Natsu's rival' again? Absolute joke, is what he's been turned into!

 

[Ronin31]

I agree with what you said. Facing a threat who makes her people's life in balance, Erza is the best tank in the Manga, and doesn't stop until dying or save them. Broken body, senses out..etc...

This was not that context during her fight against Laxus who is not the real threat, but Touka. Laxus is a victim in fact.
(If a drunk friend or brother wants to make you bleed, will you strike him to death or will you trying to tank him until he regains reason ?)

But ok, I feel great thinking he is by far stronger than Erza. I prefer this badass to the Queen. So, my favorite Laxus is actualy the strongest Fairy Tail's member.
I am happy to know that.

But if I understand, people can't inherit spells or magic to another one. Ok. So when you speak about Natsu, Grey, Gajeel, you speak about them into their basic mode, I suppose.
Erza inhérits spells from her pupil Wendy who wanted to protect her at her turn during Arbaless. It makes sense to me.
Natsu inhérits Laxus's thunder and then Fire Dragon King from Igneel, his "father", and his residual form is from it. It makes sens to me.
Grey inhérits Devil Slayer from his father Silver. It makes sense.
Gajeel inherits Shadow magic form Rogue. Sting inhérits Shadow from Rogue as well.

So ok, we are just talking about basics characters in their original powers.
If so, yes, I will change my list because Natsu and Grey are far weaker without that.

My apologies....

 

[GL_Nova]

Thank you for your list.

I am not sure Natsu can tap into Dragon Force as will, he may have emotional conditions to do that. Even so, in this climax mode, he can use only a massive lethal fatal blow, or a very few. It is incredibly powerful, I agree, but if Gildarts can tank or crush this fatal attack, then Natsu is done because of out of Magic.

For me, a list is not exaustive because a weaker magic can be more effective on a stronger opponent. I will try and I bet it is without any emotional power up but going all out to death : for Wendy, I don't take account of Eillen's power, only her natural Dragon Force.

Gildarts
Erza
Laxus
Natsu / Grey
Gajeel / Mira
Elfman / Freed
Lucy / Wendy / Kana / Juvia

Why Erza over Laxus?

 

[grey matter]

Why Erza over Laxus?

Apparently cause she held back

 

[Ronin31]

I stop to debate. Battle's circonstances are off lines as I understand.

I vote Happy : he is the strongest Exceed as he won against Panther L.
As wizard without emotional power, Gildarts is the Ace with Laxus and Erza on par near below but my words are not compting as I understand.

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Sorry, Erza said "I will win next time" before falling and Laxus didn't said "That's my words" before "having a rest". So it is not a mismatch, Laxus won by far gap.

I think Erza is so a weakling, no facts all over the manga, she is below perhaps Elfman or Freed. I don't know where to place her in the list. Perhaps on the same level to Lucy or just below Wendy who had to teached her a trick to fight (enchants). It is clearly, as the daughter of the strongest enchantress and mother of the Dragon Slayer magic who had lost her humanity (becoming a dragon) when she was pregnant, merging in stasis into Eileen's magic for centuries because she didn't want her to born, it is unfair for Erza to have facilities to learn some enchants and it is clearly unfair that she can tap into Dragon Slayer's magic. Well, as I see her, she is potentialy more "Dragon Slayer" in her DNA than Natsu who is adoptive boy's dragon, where she was born from a dragon. But her potential is not explain at all. After all, Hercules was human being as compare....

But ok, no inherit magic because it is not hers and she is clearly a weakling,

So, for my vote, Gildarts is the Ace here and Happy is the Exceed's Ace too.

 

[grey matter]

LMAO, this guy!!
Saying Erza is below Laxus apparently makes her a weakling

Apparently that's also equivalent to putting her below freaking Wendy and Lucy

Or.......Basically Erza strongest cause she Eileen's daughter too ?

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@sharkai
Found your spirit animal

 

[Ramen]

LMAO, this guy!!
Saying Erza is below Laxus apparently makes her a weakling

Apparently that's also equivalent to putting her below freaking Wendy and Lucy

Or.......Basically Erza strongest cause she Eileen's daughter too ?

Too many emojis.

Found your spirit animal

Stealing my joke eh?

 

[Ronin31]

ok, I said she has potential.... ok Grey Matter, you don't like me, no problem.

For me, Erza is one of the strongest character, so I was ironic. The same way Laxus and Gildarts are. For me, I may be wrong, they are the three strongest FairyTail's member at this time.

Now, I stop debate. I am here to have fun in respectful mood. I respect people who are not agree with me, why don't you respect me too ?

So, thank you very much.
Have a good day

 

[Ramen]

ok, I said she has potential.... ok Grey Matter, you don't like me, no problem.

For me, Erza is one of the strongest character, so I was ironic. The same way Laxus and Gildarts are. For me, I may be wrong, they are the three strongest FairyTail's member at this time.

Now, I stop debate. I am here to have fun in respectful mood. I respect people who are not agree with me, why don't you respect me too ?

So, thank you very much.
Have a good day

It's ok. He can be a massive idiot at times.