Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

Strongest member of Fairy Tail

  • Natsu

    Votes: 39 42.9%
  • Lucy

    Votes: 2 2.2%
  • Erza

    Votes: 4 4.4%
  • Gray

    Votes: 4 4.4%
  • Gildarts

    Votes: 26 28.6%
  • Laxus

    Votes: 7 7.7%
  • Mirajane

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • Gajeel

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Wendy

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    91

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this i want to talk about first
I am talking pre ts only
You and alot of fans would rank laxus speed above erza, on what you find impressive
I try to compare with some sort of relationship
Laxus vs hades not a good example because erza is wrecked. But lets just give benefit of doubt to laxus and put him equal to jellal speed (laxus has no feats like jellal meteor)
I can compare fine with jellal here
Heaven arc jellal blitzing natsu is somewhat around racer blitzing natsu
I know for a fact that racer cant blitz erza, even if she is not concentrating on him. Her souring armor speed puts her around racer speed
Not being too precise (we dont have much data) i can make an informed guess that
Pre ts
Jellal meteor = racer = erza souring armor
Saying one is faster than the other is fans creating things by themselves. Mishma has not clearified who is faster.
Erza souring armor has no good feats, well yes. But thats the way mishma makes erza fight. Nothing more.
Is there something wrong with what i said above
And please dont compare
Tartarus jellal to tartarus racer
That is like comparing
Alverzec natsu to alverzec erigor (you know how that will go)



Because it doesn't
In ff arc, Laxus was over estimating the hell out himself. There is also no proof he didnt fall asleep by mystogan
Mystogan and markarov were putting erza on a whole different level compared to laxus. And sadly they were not biased.


Using hades performance is synonymous to using laxus vs natsu fight to say
Natsu > laxus

Good comparison would be when everyone is hundred percent or the one you wish to claim being stronger is not hundred percent and the other one is

Good example would be
Laxus after kiria fight vs hundred percent erza
(Of course laxus being actually a good guy and friend not being included here)

No
Because there is actually portrayal of natsu shitting himself when erza walks towards him. There is actually portrayal of erza treating natsu like gildarts and laxus did (one shotting him in one fights)
There are actual fights where natsu fell far too short from erza
Natsu vs blinded aria (compared to wrecked erza vs full powered aria)
Or
OS first appearance where racer was enough to put down natsu, gray and some other fodders (gray was hit by angel as well)
While cobra, racer and hoteye in a sneak attack had to put erza down

The above are actual feats, with actual comparisons. With no guesses from me like you people make in for example boft (you dont actually know erza wouldnt have done better than laxus, you are guessing)

So your evidence

Laxus vs natsu plus gajeel (how do you know erza cant do this)

Hades performance (horrifying example, erza had already decided give up before even facing hades)

Jura (good example. But erza took out tye next two strongest mages, difference between gmg laxus and gmg erza shouldnt be that much)

Tempester (bad example, erza fought someone much stronger, with power of another demon gate, was literally getting stronger as she fought. And erza was already tortured before that)

In all these only jura example is good one. Rest dont show anything

I think you base alot of things on the anime. Manga doesnt say much about that 25 formula.

What evidence do i have. I have some
But you have to understand, i dont make comparison like laxus vs tempester compared to tortured erza vs demon Minerva then koyoka with saliha powers and enhancement curse on top that

Mine are simple. With little guesses on my part
Pre ts
Laxus >> natsu (fight)
Erza >> natsu (portrayal wise plus feats) (aria, os arrival, pantherlily)
Remember portrayal is more important than flashy things (august hits harder but wahl punches can throw laxus far away)


Markarov statement that erza can take laxus (boft)
Laxus >=<erza
Jellal statement that who would win (heaven arc)
Jellal>=<erza
Jellal statement about zero (OS)
Zero >=< erza (though i believe zero>erza)
Start of series erza was said to be WS tier
Jellal >= Erza = jura
(Tenrou erza took out WS tier monster S class Monster plus 99 other monsters) gmg erza with out SO was around 8 or 7 WS tier. ( os jura was around 10 WS)
All people got same boost in the first time skip
Three months training (laxus) = SO (erza)= 7 years of hard training (jura) =7 year experience plus SO (jellal)
Pre ts
Jellal=laxus=jura=erza
Gmg
Jellal=laxus=jura=erza

Even till this day, erza was suprised that laxus performed at her level
So manga world, atleat in pre ts no one thought laxus was above erza, this is against sharp contrast of erza and natsu difference.
In gmg arc gray made a comment that laxus doesnt need to train. But that was followed by gray thinking erza already had second origin.
You say please don’t compare...but you’re entire counter argument is an analysis in comparisons. Now, the only direct comparison other than their fight is the Hades battle, and again your argument relies on minimizing or ignoring it outright. All of Erza’s best feats are from battles that take place after a gauntlet of battles. This is no different. An we know they had recovered enough magic to expect to win. Now, we don’t need to give Laxus anything. We can directly compare how Laxus performed vs how the team of them performed. He did more damage and Hades displayed more power against Laxus than he had the entire fight so far. An it sets a precedent as this is the first time Erza see’s him fight and we have her admitting she didnt think he was this strong. There is absolutely no reason to ignore this other than that it continues the narrative that Laxus is above them. An sets up Laxus as an ace in the wing. A position he essentially fills for the rest of the manga until Gildarts is brought back into the fray.

Laxus has no feats like Meteor? He blitzed Acno, and is consistently shown as one of the faster characters in FT. Though for the record, I consistently give Jellal the nod speed wise over Laxus. It’s what makes it a good fight, Jellal is a faster & more versatile Wizard. As a for the rest, you really did all that work to break down how you think Racer & Jellal are comparable, but want to ignore the time they actually go at it? If we ignore the fact that Jellal literally embarassed Sawyer when they fought. How does Erza beating him in her speed armor help the argument that she’s anywhere close to Jellal? Jellal didn’t need Meteor to beat Erza. this line of deduction is false.

Huh? No proof, he knew his face and deepest secret. How would he know that if he was sleep? An we know it’s a direct power issue. Like a direct correlation. Exactly like him being a Jellal clone and his opinion of Erza being exceptionally high. An Makarov hoping she could do it, isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. That sounds like, I hope she POF’s and pulls the win. Which isn’t an unreasonable hole by any means. People keep confusing Laxus is strong with Erza is weak. She’s a monster, she’s just the smaller monster.

😂🤣🤣 It’s nothing like that. Nice try to obscure the point by pairing it with a ridiculous argument though.

I agree, those are great examples. An even with all her growth, Erza came up short. She lost, but found a new sense of peace for the future of her guild. I have no reason not to believe her. We’ve honestly debated that battle to death, but I’m always down for more.

Natsu has been the genuine heavy in their group since Tenrou. An has been portrayed as closing on her for a minute, but I already stated that they spent the series chasing her. How does this help your argument about being stronger than Laxus though?

Hanging out with the proof that she can also beat them so one-sidedly.

You must be joking, now it’s that she gave up? Hold this L bro. He outperformed her because he was supposed too. It’s his place in the story. His big return moment. Those are better excuses than she gave up.

They had a 3 way battle, then she gauntleted them. Solidly impressive, but not as good as beating a Gildarts tier opponent.

Great example. Laxus literally 1 shot the demon with the best vitality. An then was still shown capable of killing him in his best form, while literally dying from poison. After he shows himself equal to LFDM Natsu.

I think their all great examples hence the minor nitpicks painted as counter arguments. An yes, I follow all of it. I include the cannon side stories in my analysis too, because it’s all designed to be used that way. I see Mashima adding scenes that he meant to have in the manga as an absolute win.

I was following your logic, but your examples work well at establishing she’s stronger than Natsu. They don’t support the idea she’s stronger than Laxus. There are more statements comparing Laxus to Gildarts than to Erza. Your only salient point is Makarov saying she might be able to win. The rest is your headcannon. Nothing supports your arbitrary WS numbers. An nothing suggests she’s comparable to Jura, Laxus, & Jellal this arc. The only direct comparison outright stated she’s significantly weaker. An nothing suggests SO closes that gap.

Erza has never once gotten stronger in the series until Second Origin and literally fought Kagura/Minerva as her BoS self while Tenrou Natsu was losing to Max. I think it's quiet safe to say that Erza was basing that statement on Natsu's potential more so than his actual power at the time. It's no question that Erza by feats and portrayal was much stronger than Natsu.

Erza = Laxus in Tenrou tbh. "How strong is he?" was to reference to how surpised she was of his strength back in Tenrou which mean she believed herself to be on the same level or stronger than Laxus since then. Erza has been at the very least close to Laxus tier the whole manga.

How is it headcanon when the proof is in the feats? Flare didn't best Lucy and that was shown when her best attacks only burned Lucy's boots lol. Lucy clearly was going to wreck her had Obra not stepped in. The same Lucy from the GMG was capable of fighting back 3 9Ds for a short period of time and you think Flare was actually in her league??? Gray is self explanatory. He beat Rufus who is far stronger than Needle boy and Rufus is the one who stomped that game too. Gray is far stronger than Needle boy and that proven on the final day of the GMG when he took out opponents far stronger than Needle boy. You are trying to base Gray's strength off a game and not an actual battle lol. Also Raven Tail did not step up on Natsu or Erza once for a reason. Any of their members would have gotten stomped. Erza's or Natsu's feats >>>> Raven Tail's feats.

You mean the same Gildarts that oneshotted a mountain??? Yeah, Jura was not competing with that when his attacks were beat out by Cana's FG in the MPF. The same attack that Bluenote no diffed on Tenrou. By feats Gildarts would have smoked the entire GMG by himself. He was far too powerful which is why he wasn't allowed to fight until Alvarez. This also the same Makarov who couldn't follow Tenrou Erza's movements yet had no trouble keeping up with Laxus' and Jura's fight. So Tenrou Erza is far faster than x791 Laxus? Lol. Feats proved that Makarov's claims were false.

Yes, it was a complete manhandle. Natsu was beating him down so much that Tempester couldn't even throwback an attack. He then starts fighting with Gajeel in the middle of his fight with Tempester. This again after Natsu went through his fight with Franmelth prior. Their feats >>>>>>>>> OS feats. Any single Tartarus member could have trashed those four OS members. Kyouka with a finger flick stomped Rustyrose who is stronger than any OS member in that fight.

OS hadn't kept up with times. They were in jail so their powers were stagnant. That means each of their individual powers < Tenrou Natsu < Max. So they aren't an impressive squad at all. Natsu would oneshot any single one of those guys like he did Max. And they weren't even relevant in Alvarez either. They were just shown to get stomped on and helped in none of the fights. We also see that their training was garbage as Meredy was still weaker than Zancrow after an entire 8 years of training :lmao. If they were actually relevant than they would have been utilized, but they weren't. Even in the 100YQ they are nowhere to be seen lol.

Because he has shown time and time again to be able to contend with Base Natsu and his Alvarez feats smoke Jellal's lol. Also Base Natsu's feats blows Jellal's feats out the water. Gray was also able to go against a God Seed after getting out of a high diff with Mira. Also was able to solo a bunch of mid tiers (Rajinshuu) with stats alone.
I keep starting to debate you, but if you genuinely feel Erza has no growth power wise until SO...doesn’t really make sense to get into it with you about the entire series. Where did you come down on the recent battle again?
 

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We are not thinking that Erza is stronger than Laxus. We are only stating that she is on par. Like it has been shown at their last encounter.

As for Tartaros, agree that Laxus crushed Tempester in Etherious form clearly with low to no diff. That demonstration puts him far above Natsu, who rivaled Tempester only in his human form and then with Lightning fire, managed to take average before disput with Gajeel.
But this same Tempester was one shotted by Gray. So, do you put Gray stronger than Laxus ?
As to compare, Erza was tortured, fought an Amped Minerva who is originally a quite strong wizard, then fought Kyoka to a withdraw. To finish, Kyoka took Seilha's power who is clearly massive (>>Mirajane Sitry), and while her curse made her stronger by second, while she was reducing her durability the same way. You can't compare Kyoka to Tempester. And she was fighting this monster after other fights and Torture, while Laxus was fresh and 100%.

During Tenrô, this is the same way if you want to compare. Erza fought Meldy for a time, then Azuma who is clearly a monster who took all magic power into Tenro Tree and used it two times to strike her. Thing that this strike combine Tenro Island + Gildarts, Natsu, Gajeel and others magic reserves. Gray fought Ultear and was crazy injured. Ok, they restored some of Magic, enough to fight, but they were wrecked as Erza and Gray hardly stayed on their feets just before. And you are saying they were fresh and 100% ? It is the same way as saying that Erza was fresh and 100% vs Jose. So Jupiter's strike didn't count… Laxus was fresh and 100%, managed to give some strike but when Hades had enough to play, destroyed him low diff.
Again, saying "how have you become stronger" don't put him above, only saying that she didn't expected to grow up like that.

If you want another feats, we can call about Arbaless. When did Laxus blitz Acnologia ? Acnologia was toying at them. His arrogance defeated him.
Laxus battled and won against Whal and cure him, then battled Historia Hades for the win. This are Laxus's only battle. Strong opponents, I agree, but enough for his endurance. Erza battled Ajeel and was tricked by Marin, then battled the three past strongest opponents Historia (Hades is stronger but fighting three targets is perhaps more difficult), then destroyed Historias with her determination that put her Magic Aura far above to the point to make Neinhart crying and thinking she is relative to Irene, the strongest wizard. With battle injuries, she kept going, battle and help Makarov team on the battle field and fought Berserkers. Just after, she stopped END and Gray with her bare hands (they were unleashed and at peak of their PoF). Finally, fought Irene, had broken bones body and managed to destroy a meteor and slashed through Irene's scales.

You said that Laxus feats pre ts is way stronger than Erza because he ragdolled Natsu and Gajeel ? Well, great feat for Laxus, agree.
Erza took 200 Lightning strike when she destroyed orbs, and Laxus was thiniking it is impossible feat. Think that Erza didn't have Lightning Empress armour and after, continue to talk to preserve her friends….

During Orascion Seis, just after, 3 members have to team up to take her down : Racer, Cobra and Hoteye. Think that Racer, by himself, soloed the entire coalition (Natsu, Gray and others). His only feat put him on Laxus's par vs Natsu and Gajeel. To win against Racer, Lyon and Gray were bypassed and won only by strategy, Lyon understanding Racer's Magic. Also, Cobra was far above Natsu this time. Natsu only won by luck. Hoteye rivaled Jura's magic.
So saying that Erza didn't fought foe the same level as Gajeel + Natsu is irrevelant.
Think, in this arc, that she has won against Midnight who were the far strongest of the OS below Zero. Midnight destroyed Hoteye and Jellal like puppets.
Jellal reconized himself Erza's true strength and thought she was the only person who can fight Zero.

During GmG, Laxus feats are stong : destroyed a wizard team and Jura. Erza completed Pandemonium without using SO, battled Kagura and Minerva, the two strongest wizards after Jura.

For me, Laxus and Erza are in the same tier. By feats, Erza is more impressive and stronger while using PoF.
 
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Laxus and Erza are on the same level.

Arguably they have been on the same level since Erza achieved SO, but Laxus was still stronger, and probably a tier above depending on how you slice it. Before that, Erza was a tier below Laxus for sure, there was a clear gap in power.
 

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You say please don’t compare...but you’re entire counter argument is an analysis in comparisons. Now, the only direct comparison other than their fight is the Hades battle, and again your argument relies on minimizing or ignoring it outright. All of Erza’s best feats are from battles that take place after a gauntlet of battles. This is no different. An we know they had recovered enough magic to expect to win. Now, we don’t need to give Laxus anything. We can directly compare how Laxus performed vs how the team of them performed. He did more damage and Hades displayed more power against Laxus than he had the entire fight so far. An it sets a precedent as this is the first time Erza see’s him fight and we have her admitting she didnt think he was this strong. There is absolutely no reason to ignore this other than that it continues the narrative that Laxus is above them. An sets up Laxus as an ace in the wing. A position he essentially fills for the rest of the manga until Gildarts is brought back into the fray.

Laxus has no feats like Meteor? He blitzed Acno, and is consistently shown as one of the faster characters in FT. Though for the record, I consistently give Jellal the nod speed wise over Laxus. It’s what makes it a good fight, Jellal is a faster & more versatile Wizard. As a for the rest, you really did all that work to break down how you think Racer & Jellal are comparable, but want to ignore the time they actually go at it? If we ignore the fact that Jellal literally embarassed Sawyer when they fought. How does Erza beating him in her speed armor help the argument that she’s anywhere close to Jellal? Jellal didn’t need Meteor to beat Erza. this line of deduction is false.

Huh? No proof, he knew his face and deepest secret. How would he know that if he was sleep? An we know it’s a direct power issue. Like a direct correlation. Exactly like him being a Jellal clone and his opinion of Erza being exceptionally high. An Makarov hoping she could do it, isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. That sounds like, I hope she POF’s and pulls the win. Which isn’t an unreasonable hole by any means. People keep confusing Laxus is strong with Erza is weak. She’s a monster, she’s just the smaller monster.

😂🤣🤣 It’s nothing like that. Nice try to obscure the point by pairing it with a ridiculous argument though.

I agree, those are great examples. An even with all her growth, Erza came up short. She lost, but found a new sense of peace for the future of her guild. I have no reason not to believe her. We’ve honestly debated that battle to death, but I’m always down for more.

Natsu has been the genuine heavy in their group since Tenrou. An has been portrayed as closing on her for a minute, but I already stated that they spent the series chasing her. How does this help your argument about being stronger than Laxus though?

Hanging out with the proof that she can also beat them so one-sidedly.

You must be joking, now it’s that she gave up? Hold this L bro. He outperformed her because he was supposed too. It’s his place in the story. His big return moment. Those are better excuses than she gave up.

They had a 3 way battle, then she gauntleted them. Solidly impressive, but not as good as beating a Gildarts tier opponent.

Great example. Laxus literally 1 shot the demon with the best vitality. An then was still shown capable of killing him in his best form, while literally dying from poison. After he shows himself equal to LFDM Natsu.

I think their all great examples hence the minor nitpicks painted as counter arguments. An yes, I follow all of it. I include the cannon side stories in my analysis too, because it’s all designed to be used that way. I see Mashima adding scenes that he meant to have in the manga as an absolute win.

I was following your logic, but your examples work well at establishing she’s stronger than Natsu. They don’t support the idea she’s stronger than Laxus. There are more statements comparing Laxus to Gildarts than to Erza. Your only salient point is Makarov saying she might be able to win. The rest is your headcannon. Nothing supports your arbitrary WS numbers. An nothing suggests she’s comparable to Jura, Laxus, & Jellal this arc. The only direct comparison outright stated she’s significantly weaker. An nothing suggests SO closes that gap.
What...
Seriously my English must be really bad
I never said dont compare
I said not to compare in two cases
1) outdated villians
Tartarus racer is a fodder. Trying to compare this feat to os erza is pure bs. Natsu one shot alverzec bluenote does that mean
tenrou natsu >>>> tenrou gildarts
Tartarus gray without ds >> tartarus racer
Os racer > os gray
So dont do sh!t comparison
Keep in mind in alverzec arc, the following characters were not springgans tier (they fell back in power level)
Racer, cobra, hoteye, midnight, bluenote, rufus, rouge, sting, ogra, Minerva, kagura, jura etc
2) when one isnt 100%.
This is headcannon on your part. Why the hell would i consider them 100%.
Are you saying in the current battle we shouldnt think about kiria at all instead
Laxus l00% > holding back erza
Or in ff arc
natsu beat laxus. So we dont need look at past battle of laxus. Natsu beat laxus. So natsu > laxus?
Look in tenrou arc, gildarts after having fought less than erza couldnt even move. And yet erza is 100% lol

Seriously, erza best feats after she has gone through alot of fights.
So basically in this laxus vs erza fight, erza was at disadvantage, because she didnt get a gauntlet like laxus. Finally you managed to prove erza was at huge disadvantage here. Man, dont make silly points


Yes, i can easily prove erza > natsu, as you say.
But you claim
Laxus >> erza > natsu
Yet you cant even give me as many examples of laxus above erza as i can for erza above natsu
As far as i know, laxus was compared once to gildarts in gmg arc (jura hype). That is it.
Erza was compared to jellal, laxus and zero. In three consecutive arcs. I think it was made pretty clear where erza stood.

Markarov knew erza and laxus were equal. So 50 50 chances of erza beating laxus. That was markarov thinking. It wasnt anywhere near what you are trying to imply
Difference between erza and natsu shown and portrayed many times
Difference between gildarts and laxus is mentioned couple of times
Where in the hell is difference between laxus and erza even mentioned and you want me to believe it was same or bigger, seriously

Laxus was never shown as ace, compared to erza ever. His five seconds of fame against hades was nothing (he was just wailing on hades, even you can do that to mike Tyson). And that was only he thing he ever got. Five seconds
(Since you like to mention erza shock here, i will clear that up. Erza was shocked that laxus could tank 25 formula, which he couldn't, that was all)

He was not the ace in gmg
He did beat the strongest
But erza beat the next two strongest. Putting them around eachother again
In alverzec
He was given nothing
Erza was fighting the strongest (this is equivalent of laxus beating rufus and erza giving extreme diff to jura)

As i said tempester thing is your headcannon
Erza did alot more that arc.

Are trying to imply that aconologia was actually blitz, i mean like if serious aconologia couldn't have done anything ooookaaay

No laxus has no speed feat comparable to meteor. Tempester i think is the only good example he has. He couldnt even dodge 25 formula which markarov could easily block (and markarov couldnt follow gmg pre SO erza strike)

What. Jellal using thought projection was low diff by injured erza. Then he had to resort to underhand method to get erza out of the fight. (Manga shows it accurately)
Jellal couldnt beat erza period.

Sadly, erza is not small monster compared to laxus. Markarov and mystogan statement means
Erza = laxus
Pof erza would most likely mid diff blood lusted laxus
And that is also your headcannon, those statement clearly implied they are around eachother, nothing more

There is alot of points involving mystogan hax magic. But using hax magic to compare power is stupid enough

Sorry, no growth of erza was mentioned. Only laxus growth was mentioned. Look in the manga man

Sorry, i cant understand anything about the following, what are you replyimg to

😂🤣🤣 It’s nothing like that. Nice try to obscure the point by pairing it with a ridiculous argument though.
Hanging out with the proof that she can also beat them so one-sidedly.
My arbitratary ws tier ranks
Jellal 9 WS tier
The first ws tier opponent natsu overcame. Jellal would have to be lower ws tier because of plot reason. Think jose being god of ishigal level, wouldnt make sense to introduce such a person after introducing of ws. Not a strong point but still possible
Jura himself said he was weakest so him being 10 or 9 ws is cannon
S class monster was said to be in that ws tier by the king. So he is that level. Erza taking that out and 99 others put her on that level (7 or 8 ws tier), without SO. Whether people like it or not, there is nothing wrong here. Tenrou erza was easily 8 ws tier.


i know i am right and you are wrong because of following
What you have
Natsu and erza near each
(Directly opposite to manga)
Why
Erza thought natsu was near her (phantom) and laxus (boft)

That is all (ignore actual feats where erza outshines natsu by alot and tone of portrayal)

Laxus and erza are far apart
Why
Mystogan hax
Handling natsu and gajeel at the same time (its easy if natsu and erza near, no?)
Laxus vs hades
Laxus vs jura
Laxus vs tempester

All of these are wrong or straight up fans personal opinion
Hax works when plot demands it
In other words evergreen and saliha hax will work fine on erza but mira cant macro skullrion.

Erza is far above natsu, so laxus using his strongest moves to handle natsu and gajeel does not prove he is above erza

And comparing 100% laxus to 10% erza. You would later bring up how laxus beat erza after fighting kiria is impressive

Laxus vs jura
(Is better than erza vs kagura then Minerva) personal opinion. Sadly not followed by erza vs irene alot better than laxus vs wahl

Laxus vs tempester
Personal opinion

Mine are simple with little input from me
Aria
OS arrival
Pantherlily

And countless statement and scene putting erza above natsu
Thus my point proving
Erza >>> natsu
Is much better than yours about laxus being above erza
Erza being far above natsu already proved that erza is in the same ball park as laxus.
After all laxus can mid natsu
So any fight with erza would be high diff fight or extreme diff
I think your entire argument lies on the foundation that erza is near natsu. Which is wrong. Laxus vs natsu and gajeel and laxus vs tempester
And jura being gildarts (which he is not, he just a strongest opponent in gmg, that is all, a maybe a tier above kagura or Minerva)
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Laxus and Erza are on the same level.

Arguably they have been on the same level since Erza achieved SO, but Laxus was still stronger, and probably a tier above depending on how you slice it. Before that, Erza was a tier below Laxus for sure, there was a clear gap in power.
Where was this gap shown
 
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Holy fuck, insane Erza wank going on here.

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Stop man, it's pointless.
 

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Holy fuck, insane Erza wank going on here.

@GL_Nova
Stop man, it's pointless.
POF Erza >>>>>>> Gildarts > Laxus. Deal with it.

I have good feeling Erza will take on Selene and tarnish her name just like she did with Irene. Difference is this time she will do it with Irene Marvell at her side
 

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POF Erza >>>>>>> Gildarts > Laxus. Deal with it.

I have good feeling Erza will take on Selene and tarnish her name just like she did with Irene. Difference is this time she will do it with Irene Marvell at her side
Nope. Not even gonna bother anymore.
 

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POF Erza >>>>>>> Gildarts > Laxus. Deal with it.

I have good feeling Erza will take on Selene and tarnish her name just like she did with Irene. Difference is this time she will do it with Irene Marvell at her side
:feelsgoodman:victory

Still better than Lucy pulling it off, if you know what I mean :lmao
 

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Still better than Lucy doing it tho, if you know what I mean :lmao
I don't understand why a Dragon God would even bother keeping Celestial Spirit Key. That wouldn't make any sense. Viernes possible not Selene. Only use of Aquarius to her would use her as a plaything.
 

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I don't understand why a Dragon God would even bother keeping Celestial Spirit Key. That wouldn't make any sense. Viernes possible not Selene. Only use of Aquarius to her would use her as a plaything.
Also the matter of the key appearing at Black Moon Mountain. Doubt a Dragon God would be flying and pay attention to a shiny key, lol. Then there’s the matter of opening the gate, making a contract. Like you said what’s the point, lol
 

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Viernes is the gold dragon, so I'm expecting him to be like Smaug: asleep under a mountain surrounded by a multitude of golden objects. One of these gold objects will end up being Aquarius' key.
 

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It's probable that Aquarius' key is with the gold dragon. Golden Key,Gold Dragon. It would be a shiny shimmering golden arc. Maybe the key became an accesory of Viernes or something.
 

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It's probable that Aquarius' key is with the gold dragon. Golden Key,Gold Dragon. It would be a shiny shimmering golden arc. Maybe the key became an accesory of Viernes or something.
Talk about the Midas touch.
 

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even though i didn't like laxus hype lately and i debated with @GL_Nova alot about that but facts is facts in the start of FT until tenrou the gap between erza and laxus was so huuuge and from GMG after she got SO the gap start to get reduced until she became in his tier with her new buffs in 100YQ with laxus being slightly above her and anyone says that erza was in laxus level from the start he is so much biased to erza.

and i'd like to add something to the ones saying that erza can take both gajeel and natsu at the same time pre TS, a serious natsu wothout comedy involved can give her high diff battle and actully have a chance in taking her too so gajeel+natsu they stomp her, laxus overpower them both erza not doing that any day
Yep, this exactly.
Initially, the gap was huge. The gap between Laxus and Erza kept decreasing as time progressed. And only by this arc, did Erza finally reach Laxus tier, that too with quite a few buffs (unbuffed Erza still gets mid-high diff'd IMO).

Even as a Laxus fan, I feel he's kinda overhyped in this forum (not anymore lol, I guess those guys left after the writing in the past few chapters lmao). But oh boi, the Erza wank here is next level lol.
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It's probable that Aquarius' key is with the gold dragon. Golden Key,Gold Dragon. It would be a shiny shimmering golden arc. Maybe the key became an accesory of Viernes or something.
That's what I think also. Golden key gotta be with Gold dragon.

Viernes gonna be the dragon of the myths and legends, hoarding all the wealth in the world. His goal will be to hoard everything in his cavern and guard them. Merc never saw him at all, because he never gets out as he's guarding wealth all the time, and the few times he go out will be to collect wealth.
 

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But oh boi, the Erza wank here is next level lol.
As someone who prostrates himself to Erza Scarlet, I don't give two shits about her power placement, unless we're talking Mira :derp
 

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As someone who prostrates himself to Erza Scarlet, I don't give two shits about her power placement, unless we're talking Mira :derp
Mira is a sad case. She's been reduced to BSS only.
 

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Mira is a sad case. She's been reduced to BSS only.
Doesn’t matter, it’s not like she’s a relevant character with screentime 😉
 

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Doesn’t matter, it’s not like she’s a relevant character with screentime 😉
True. I doubt she'll get a significant fight the rest of the series.
 
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