Registered User有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
- Sep 16, 2016
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Being defeated don't stop you from qualifying as a Mary Sue, it doesn't really even detract from it. Natsu is a bigger Mary Sue than anyone in the manga, he also gets his ass kicked more than everyone.but "because she's Erza" only happened in second last major arc. you might be right though
no i dont believe everything. just making a point
o mary sue topic. nearly every good guy in fairy tail is some sort of mary sue, including erza. but erza has soo many defeats under her belt, she doesnt qualify anymore. laxus doesnt, thus pointing towards him more than anyone else.
laxus is not poor writing for being OP. i reserve that for seven deadly sin escanar and maliodas.
its just he should struggle in the final arc atleast. this is more of a springgan problem than laxus. lol ajeel could only handle erza, because he could hide from her. talk about under hyping your villains
i think erza and laxus were always around each other. laxus could have been slightly stronger. but their roles are different. erza is one of the main. she has to struggle in every arc, and has to use fairy tail nakama theme almost every time, otherwise removing her from final boss fight becomes tricky (heaven arc, ff arc, OS arc). laxus is secondary, to almost irrelevant. he needs to show his power, which is far above natsu. he gets small number of panels to do it.
pre ts erza feats are better than pre ts laxus.
1. she has speed feat near equal to racer and jellal, laxus doesnt
2. she has defense feat near or above jura, laxus doesnt
3. she has power feats above laxus too (i know you are gonna say WHAT)
but at the end that is not because erza is above laxus, she is the main, that why she has more feats. remember jura fight. laxus barely gets any feats from it because its off panel. meanwhile kagura is hitting at jupiter cannon tier. and then loses to tenrou erza. we saying gmg laxus can hit above kagura is our own opinion.
i mean tenrou arc
erza is involved in four conflicts. gildarts in only two. sure bluenote is stronger. but tenrou azuma was more near erza than bluenote was near gildarts. more portion of erza mps should have been used. and yet gildarts is the one who cant move. i can say here, that erza has more stamina than gildarts. feat wise that is true. but this only happening because of plot, nothing more.
if you want me to explain how erza feats are better. well pre ts laxus only has two fights under him. where will get speed feat, from hades fight, that is not a fair comparison. erza in base is faster than natsu, with soaring armor she is around racer. saying jellal is faster than her is just headcannon. because manga never shows it, or even hints at it. all laxus got is his feats from hades.
as i said before, laxus doesnt have defensive magic
now power feat. you see, erza is portrayed far above natsu. whether through statement or feats. her opponents are same. good example would be midnight and cobra. laxus only has power feat of taking natsu tier out. erza has feats of taking those people out, who have been clearly shown to be stronger than natsu opponents. and judging by erza fighting style, they normally lose to one or two strikes from erza.
you can make a claim that natsu has higher durability than erza opponents, but then we are back to tenrou erza having much larger stamina than even gildarts. in other words plot
let me give you another example. in gmg
minerva told her team not to approach jura and kagura.
that clearly shows kagura being far above from the likes of rufus and ogra. and yet kagura lost to tenrou erza. (can you imagine the gap between rufus and SO erza)
in other words tenoru erza can hit around jupiter tier cannon. laxus strongest move had the hype of killing natsu in his weakened state.
only feat i can give to laxus is his durability feat. taking two roars together. that is all
but i do know, laxus is secondary character and erza is a main. thus those feats arent all that
ff laxus>=ff erza
is perfectly fine
marakrov said natsu, if he released his true power, could beat laxus (pof or df).
markraov did not say the same for erza.
so i think my position is correct. even now. when laxus vs erza was about to happen. no editor note came of how erza could possibly beat laxus. laxus being above erza has never been cannon. and erza only admitted that laxus is stronger than her now.
why go through all this, if laxus was always supposed to be far above erza
(that is why i enjoy talking about this soo much, you people who have no feats have to do so much mental gymnastic to come to conclusion here, i mean you can say its kinda of portrayed, which isnt exactly wrong, but going to length to ignore actual manga for one pride)
1. Blitzing Hades>>Dodging an attack from Racer
2. How is Erza's defense around Jura? Unless you talking preskip Jura
3. Two shotting Gajeel=Anything Erza has done
Gildarts spent the entire time Erza fought Azuma getting the shit kicked out of him by Bluenote, without magic. There is no believable way Erza got more injured by Azuma than Gildarts did by Bluenote, tbh if it wasn't for plot he'd be dead.
Natsu has more durability than any villain bar final bosses, as does Erza.
There's no real mental gymnastics needed, the portrayal is pretty straightforward, that's why everyone by default assumes it's this way.
Laxus was portrayed as a monster during his original arc, to the point where he might be able to take on Makarov, to the point where just him and his cronies were a threat to the guild.
He was then portrayed as a monster against Hades, reminding him of Prime Makarov, amazing Erza and doing better than the entirety of team Natsu combined(ya, I know, injuries, but the portrayal was clearly there).
Then in the next arc he was likened to Gildarts by Gray as the two members of the guild so powerful that they didn't need to train to keep up with current powerlevels.
He then went on to defeat the wizard who was hyped to be able to take on Erza and Mirajane combined.
He then went on to make mince meat of a Demon Gate, not something any character other than DeS Gray was capable of doing.
He then went on to be hyped to be able to oneshot Ajeel, and then killed Wahl while dying of magic cancer, which as you said, made him look ridiculously OP.
If you want to go deep analysis on the manga and say that in terms of feats, he aint that much better than Erza, then fine, sure, like you said she is a main character, but theres no denying that the general portrayal of Laxus' power is straight up superior(his feats are still killer too).