Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Demon Hunter]

my advice is never take hype at face value.

always be cautious about it.

the sooner you accept that, the better.

same with PoF.

the sooner you accept that the better.

 

[GL_Nova]

Doesn't it? We all assumed it was useless before, why would that change now? For all we know it costs more magic power than it's worth.

He used it to completely decimate Natsu and Gajeel in a single roar. What about that ever gave the impression it was useless?

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lol maybe
didnt hades hit marakrov with chain, when he was shocked by hades being there. afterwards he lost his titan form. then maybe he got hit. laxus doged hades chain once or twice. you cant even say several time, hades took out laxus pretty fast.

yes, laxus can be considered to be stronger than ff arc laxus. doesnt change the fact pre ts laxus has no attack, other than fairy law, equal to or above jupiter cannon

minerva statement still shows what what cannon world sees. laxus is not considered more of a threat than erza. sorry

small monster is your opinion. nothing more

are you still talking about laxus speed feat. still comparing against wrecked natsu team

same as you said erza needed SO at the very end. laxus needed three months training to compete.
no
manga was saying
jura > erza + mira
and
jura > Minerva > kagura > laxus >= erza

but as with any bais person, you forgot minerva statement and happily swallowed mira statement
(and of course, you are gonna ignore that this is the only time laxus got an opponent stronger than erzas opponent, unlike natsu opponent's which are always weaker than erza's)
didnt minerva think she could handle both kagura and erza at the same time (why would this statement be any less reliable than mira statement). maybe its jura = minerva

no it has nothing to do with laxus power, atleast in a linear sense. unless you are claiming tenrou lfd natsu is barely above tenrou laxus

lol. wahl etherion what. lol
no you dont.
for you its like this.
azuma used his power to release tenrou power.
your position. tenrou power released is still azuma tier attack
wahl says etherion.
your position its obviously stronger than irene strongest move


your position is simple
you saw bluenote black hole. and you knew zancrow cant overpower that
you saw jura mt fiji. and you knew sting cant overpower that
you saw irene dues sema. and you knew wahl can overpower it

you see wahl dying from lightening, you says that definitely not wahl weakness
you see irene being damaged from ds sword. you say that definitely like gray vs mard



laxus barely existing portrayal is more important to you than a portrayal that spans nearly the entire manga

(note: information coming later does not clear how you initially viewed these positions.)


that is why sting is beating irene, that is why, even though august who has no power feat, is also beating irene.

erza and natsu are equal. because erza as bigger sister behaves like that.
doesnt matter erza has defeated people natsu couldnt, doesnt matter people literally ignoring natsu as erza walks around

but laxus definitely alot bigger monster than erza. even though he has non of above. nor even mentioned in the manga that he is stronger than erza

now you know, erza and laxus are around each other. how? obviously erza improved more or that ds seal so strong, it definitely does not need any mention in the manga. its as if you already have the results, you just have to tweak the data to match it
(anytime there is some vagueness or many variable, you default answer is always in favor of laxus and against erza)

your bais is quite clear man


those old threads shows it no. gray was beating erza, and you were having sting take out dragon irene. yep, you and everyone definitely treat them same.

this line should be followed by levy being stronger than aconologia, no?

I only have two questions. he doesn’t name anybody from FT, shouldn’t we be taking Minerva’s bias into account as well?

second: What did Kagura or Minerva do to be put over Laxus or Erza?

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holy moly, I took a break for 2 months (I heard Aldoron arc will end in a chapter or two) and what do I see here:

- Laxus vs Erza is still on going since I left
- Laxus has Dragon Force
- Lucy cannot be beaten by Elfman and Mirajane
- Elfman's attack potency is above FDK Natsu
- Brandish is destroying countries with her kicks



I'm seriously disappointed in you guys @Laxus pwns natsu @Seven777 @kianp67 @Zelefomavis @grey matter

how could you let this things go on for so long???

you should have kept order around here while I was away

I'm seriously disappointed in you guys

Jellal’s fight was a dud

 

[Seven777]

He used it to completely decimate Natsu and Gajeel in a single roar. What about that ever gave the impression it was useless?

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I only have two questions. he doesn’t name anybody from FT, shouldn’t we be taking Minerva’s bias into account as well?

second: What did Kagura or Minerva do to be put over Laxus or Erza?

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Jellal’s fight was a dud

The fact that it's never used again, same as everyone else.
As for the roar, thats a feat for the roar, not DF. In fact it's likely the case that at that point Laxus just couldn't use his DS magic without that form like Cobra. He's beyond that now, and beyond that form.

 

[GL_Nova]

The fact that it's never used again, same as everyone else.
As for the roar, thats a feat for the roar, not DF. In fact it's likely the case that at that point Laxus just couldn't use his DS magic without that form like Cobra. He's beyond that now, and beyond that form.

That’s an awful lot of supposition lol. It could just be the roar, but since he bulked up and made a big deal about cutting loose power wise, it makes more since it was the power boost he needed. There is nothing to suggest him being beyond the form anymore than his preference for Thunder Dragons Jaw over his Secret Art shows he no longer needs that. It does support him not using any more power than necessary to win a fight. A power boost is never a bad move to keep in your back pocket.

 

[Seven777]

That’s an awful lot of supposition lol. It could just be the roar, but since he bulked up and made a big deal about cutting loose power wise, it makes more since it was the power boost he needed. There is nothing to suggest him being beyond the form anymore than his preference for Thunder Dragons Jaw over his Secret Art shows he no longer needs that. It does support him not using any more power than necessary to win a fight. A power boost is never a bad move to keep in your back pocket.

Meh, there's no reason to differentiate it from what Cobra had. That aside, the fact that it's gone unused for so long is itself enough to value it's use as zero.
Laxus has used Roaring Thunder more than once, and having a power boost in his back pocket would imply he was holding back on Jura, Wahl and Erza, which simply was not the case. So either "DF" had no use in any of those fights, or it has no use at all.

 

[GL_Nova]

Meh, there's no reason to differentiate it from what Cobra had. That aside, the fact that it's gone unused for so long is itself enough to value it's use as zero.
Laxus has used Roaring Thunder more than once, and having a power boost in his back pocket would imply he was holding back on Jura, Wahl and Erza, which simply was not the case. So either "DF" had no use in any of those fights, or it has no use at all.

Well that’s cartainly a strong way to say IMO. Other than an apparent previous decision of how strong this form is. You have yet to offer an alternative to how it works. Why is his Dragon Force the only one that’s useless. How is it the only dragon force that offers no multiplier, and why is this the case? Can I get an argument other than, he didn’t use it. Especially since that’s easily explained by plot constraints. I mean we just got confirmation that Hiro thought Laxus was too strong to use, why would he give him a power boost? I mean we only see the other’s go DF a handful of times. An we know they weren’t holding back against Acno, it just wasn’t used. (Though all of them in DF giving Natsu their power would have been just the peanut butter to make that pill swallowable.) Same can be said of LFDM, wasn’t seen for a good minute. Didn’t mean it disappeared or became less of a power up. Natsu just didn’t think he needed it. Exact same thing.

 

[Aurelius]

holy moly, I took a break for 2 months (I heard Aldoron arc will end in a chapter or two) and what do I see here:

- Laxus vs Erza is still on going since I left
- Laxus has Dragon Force
- Lucy cannot be beaten by Elfman and Mirajane
- Elfman's attack potency is above FDK Natsu
- Brandish is destroying countries with her kicks



I'm seriously disappointed in you guys @Laxus pwns natsu @Seven777 @kianp67 @Zelefomavis @grey matter

how could you let this things go on for so long???

you should have kept order around here while I was away

I'm seriously disappointed in you guys

The natural state of the universe is disorder. Amidst the festering chaos, you get to see who a person really is. It fuels my existence.

You're too late, it can't be stopped.

Anyways, on topic, vote Wendy on the poll!

 

[Seven777]

Well that’s cartainly a strong way to say IMO. Other than an apparent previous decision of how strong this form is. You have yet to offer an alternative to how it works. Why is his Dragon Force the only one that’s useless. How is it the only dragon force that offers no multiplier, and why is this the case? Can I get an argument other than, he didn’t use it. Especially since that’s easily explained by plot constraints. I mean we just got confirmation that Hiro thought Laxus was too strong to use, why would he give him a power boost? I mean we only see the other’s go DF a handful of times. An we know they weren’t holding back against Acno, it just wasn’t used. (Though all of them in DF giving Natsu their power would have been just the peanut butter to make that pill swallowable.) Same can be said of LFDM, wasn’t seen for a good minute. Didn’t mean it disappeared or became less of a power up. Natsu just didn’t think he needed it. Exact same thing.

Everything on this forum is IMO, saying it every time is a chore and I probably still say it more than anyone else on this thread.
What do you mean alternative of how it works? I told you, it was previously the only way he and Cobra could use DS magic. If you like you could call the use of DS magic itself as it's use or multiplier. Its also of course not confirmed as Dragon Force in the first place, so there's that.
We didn't just get confirmation of that, that interview has been out for years.
Laxus not thinking he needed additional power against Jura or Erza is plain ridiculous, there is no scenario in which he was holding back a trump card against those two. As for other characters not using their powers, sure, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt since their abilities are actually named and are actually abilities, rather than just random physical changes that Second Gens used to have when using DS magic.

 

[Demon Hunter]

The natural state of the universe is disorder. Amidst the festering chaos, you get to see who a person really is. It fuels my existence.

You're too late, it can't be stopped.

Dread it. Run from it. Destiny still arrives. Or should I say, I have.

Anyways, on topic, vote Wendy on the poll!

Wendy is beyond those trivial stuff

Gildarts still MVP.

 

[GL_Nova]

Everything on this forum is IMO, saying it every time is a chore and I probably still say it more than anyone else on this thread.
What do you mean alternative of how it works? I told you, it was previously the only way he and Cobra could use DS magic. If you like you could call the use of DS magic itself as it's use or multiplier. Its also of course not confirmed as Dragon Force in the first place, so there's that.
We didn't just get confirmation of that, that interview has been out for years.
Laxus not thinking he needed additional power against Jura or Erza is plain ridiculous, there is no scenario in which he was holding back a trump card against those two. As for other characters not using their powers, sure, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt since their abilities are actually named and are actually abilities, rather than just random physical changes that Second Gens used to have when using DS magic.

I mean an alternative explanation. There is no point where it states he has to go into Dragon Force to use his dragon slayer magic. An no such explanation is necessary other than him powering all the way up to launch FL. The game clearly confirms it as Dragon Force. We know that once again Mashima was heavily involved. An no reason to believe or suspect this is the only part he didn’t see. Now if they add Cobra as DLC and name his scale arms Dragon Force you’ll have a leg to stand on, because your assertion that it was something random an forgotten doesn’t hold any water, since he uses those same arms against Acnologia. Otherwise the answer to this has been given. An since he’s able to use it in tandem with later moves like Megaton: Red Lightning we know he has access to it later. I’m not arguing for something I’d like to be included, that’s what’s been revealed by the latest addition to the franchise.

 

[Seven777]

I mean an alternative explanation. There is no point where it states he has to go into Dragon Force to use his dragon slayer magic. An no such explanation is necessary other than him powering all the way up to launch FL. The game clearly confirms it as Dragon Force. We know that once again Mashima was heavily involved. An no reason to believe or suspect this is the only part he didn’t see. Now if they add Cobra as DLC and name his scale arms Dragon Force you’ll have a leg to stand on, because your assertion that it was something random an forgotten doesn’t hold any water, since he uses those same arms against Acnologia. Otherwise the answer to this has been given. An since he’s able to use it in tandem with later moves like Megaton: Red Lightning we know he has access to it later. I’m not arguing for something I’d like to be included, that’s what’s been revealed by the latest addition to the franchise.

There was no statement about it powering him up either. As for an alternate explanation, it's the same thing as Cobra and Gajeel having their scales, Mashima simply used to attribute that as a part of DS magic back in the day. He got rid of it for Laxus, mostly got rid of it for Gajeel and went random with it on Cobra.
What the game calls it doesn't really matter. As for suspecting it's the only part Mashima didn't see, sure, it's a near certainty that Mashima didn't see %90 of the games development, not just the part where they're naming various spells. Even if he did see it, it still doesn't really matter.
How it's used in the game is also largely irrelevant, how the manga uses it is what is important. What matters is how it's treated in the manga, which is to say, as a big fat nothing. So either it's an obsolete form, or it's just not part of Laxus' abilities any more.
I mean do you honestly think Laxus could have fought harder against Jura, or against Erza lol?

 

[GL_Nova]

There was no statement about it powering him up either. As for an alternate explanation, it's the same thing as Cobra and Gajeel having their scales, Mashima simply used to attribute that as a part of DS magic back in the day. He got rid of it for Laxus, mostly got rid of it for Gajeel and went random with it on Cobra.
What the game calls it doesn't really matter. As for suspecting it's the only part Mashima didn't see, sure, it's a near certainty that Mashima didn't see %90 of the games development, not just the part where they're naming various spells. Even if he did see it, it still doesn't really matter.
How it's used in the game is also largely irrelevant, how the manga uses it is what is important. What matters is how it's treated in the manga, which is to say, as a big fat nothing. So either it's an obsolete form, or it's just not part of Laxus' abilities any more.
I mean do you honestly think Laxus could have fought harder against Jura, or against Erza lol?

Oh? People just normally talk about how special they are and how they’ve been holding back? Again, your explanation requires that we ignore what we know of their magic. Turning himself to iron dragon scales is literally Gajeel’s entire magical schtick until he gets Rogues shadow. When exactly did he stop turning his skin to iron dragon scales? As such, and as literally just discussed, Cobra also uses those dragon scales on his arm up and through the final arc. So we’re back to reaching for what could explain why it’s not the Dragon Force you want it to be, but no concrete cannon reason why it can’t be.

Dude, Mashima has been going on about helping with this game for months, and is an avid gamer. You think he had nothing to do with this part though? An I don’t see the reason to attack it being a game. Every other media that’s come out has only added to the FT mythos. An to date every major piece of media has been mentioned in source. This is a game Mashima made extra content for, there is absolutely nothing to suggest the game isn’t cannon. An some of the most relevant answers have come from that media.

I don’t think Natsu could have fought harder against the Spriggan, smarter yes, but not harder. Yet he didn’t use LFDM till he fought Gajeel even though lightning has an affinity against water and he just fought a god. Erza didn’t use her Nakagami armor except against Ajeel, and didn’t use it on Laxus. Do we think that armor has suddenly been rendered obsolete? Mashima could do better, but this is the story he wrote.

 

[Ramen]

I'm back.

Games aren't used in canon hypothetical.

Until it's shown in the manga, Laxus does not have a DF.

 

[GL_Nova]

I'm back.

Games aren't used in canon hypothetical.

Until it's shown in the manga, Laxus does not have a DF.

since when?

 

[Ramen]

since when?

Since it wasn't confirmed in the actual manga.

 

[LaGOAT]

@GL_Nova so by ur logic laxus “DF” is weaker than his RL?

 

[Ramen]

I don't care anymore but it doesn't make sense to me.

 

[kian]

Honestly, I wouldn't take the game as ways to make things cannon. There's moves that people have in the game but don't have in the manga. One example, Mira and her movesets for seilah and sitri.

The game states you need Dragon Force to use RL so unless you want to say Laxus was using his dragon force during his fight with Erza, I wouldn't count it.

 

[Sheridan Cain]

Natsu > Gildarts > Gray > Laxus > Erza > Gajeel > Wendy > Mirajane > Lucy

 

[Ramen]

Natsu > Gildarts > Gray > Laxus > Erza > Gajeel > Wendy > Mirajane > Lucy

Gray shouldn't be that high.