Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

A bullet has complete differente properties than a laser.The laser eould easily penetrate a tank.

You also have to consider that Chelia was only able to deflect her beam because she was unaffected by DiMaria's time spell.

Wahl's attack was a laser, and Age Seal doesn't change your passive durability.

 

[Shoutmon]

A bullet has complete differente properties than a laser.The laser eould easily penetrate a tank.

Likewise Acnologia should easily be much more durable than a tank, so her lasers should fail to penetrate him, just like Wahl's failed to penetrate Laxus

 

[Woodenstool]

Likewise Acnologia should easily be much more durable than a tank, so her lasers should fail to penetrate him, just like Wahl's failed to penetrate Laxus

Okay, she can stop time break his neck.

 

[Shoutmon]

Okay, she can stop time break his neck.

It's actually not so easy to do that, especially when your target has a superhuman body like Acnologia, and we don't know how strong Dimaria is physically.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Acnologia freaking cheated, he has the power to extract souls. Not much effort there.

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Gildarts body is fully healed so I don't get it?

Like I said, unless he gains back those limbs and organs, he can't be considered fully healed. Healing =/= not feeling pain in old wounds.

 

[Woodenstool]

It's actually not so easy to do that, especially when your target has a superhuman body like Acnologia, and we don't know how strong Dimaria is physically.

You don't need to be strong.

 

[Shoutmon]

You don't need to be strong.

You do if your opponent is superhuman.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

You do if your opponent is superhuman.

You don't need to have SH strenght when time is stopped,because the victom couldn't react or use force to unable your assult.
But this us manga,so rules don't apply.

 

[Shoutmon]

You don't need to have SH strenght when time is stopped,because the victom couldn't react or use force to unable your assult.
But this us manga,so rules don't apply.

Well seeing as Natsu was able to tank a gunshot in his mouth, I would say that even passive durability is superhuman in this series (as you can't really resist an attack on your internal organs)

 

[Geralt of Rivia]

Please tell me where it says Age Scratch has a limit? Please tell me what the definition of bring back all your pain etched into your body means? Age Scratch will work better on Laxus rather than Wendy as it's an ability that makes you feel all the accumulative pain in your life time.

So because it wasn't stated to have a limit, it doesn't have one? Law wasn't stated to have a limit either. I guess Makarov, Laxus, Mavis and Hades can all one-shot Acnologia then...

And speaking of Acno, how do you think Age Scratch will affect him? Do you think she'll actually hurt him with AS?
Keep in mind:
1) He's the only Dragon Slayer who survived the Dragon Civil War.
2) He took the foster Dragons' soul and left them all in a half dead state. Prime Igneel included.

Spoiler

3) Irene couldn't even scratch the guy. And she is much stronger than Dimaria.
4) Human Acno's back was turned on August (most versatile Mage in this series and much stronger than Dimaria as well) and the latter didn't even dare to try anything. Not to mention he had Jacob, a fellow Spriggan, at his side.
5) August mentioned that if Zeref gets his hands on Fairy Heart, then he might be able to kill Acno. Might.
6) He ruled the world in Future Rogue's timeline.

If Zeref or any one of his allies already had access to limitless spells, do you really think Acno would still be alive? For hundreds of years, no less? If Dimaria could affect Acno by herself, do you really think Zeref would've still gone after Fairy Heart?

The entire empire (12 Spriggans, 730 guilds) + Zeref himself are not enough to kill Acno. If you think Dimaria who wasn't even portrayed to be on another level than the other Spriggans is that strong, be my guest. But I'm not buying it.

 

[Char]

If we abide by FT logic, then haxes must have a limit. Otherwise, limitless haxes would defeat any opponent.

I mean, even back in Tenrou, Makarov could've Fairy Lawed Acnologia and he'd have been killed.

Haxes must have limitations. If Irene and August are portrayed to be stronger than Dimaria, even if it is hard to believe for us (because Dimaria could use age seal and stab them just like August got stabbed...), I want to believe that if they were to fight, Irene/August would beat Dimaria.

The same way I want to believe Acnologia would pretty much beat anyone, haxes included, because Zeref needed to create an empire of +730 guilds, 12 supremely powerful mages and still gather Fairy Heart in order to 'have a chance' of beating him.

Of course, it could also be interpreted as "prevention is better than cure". Maybe Zeref could manage to kill Acno with all the manpower he's gathered, but he still wants to make sure by gathering FH. Whatever the case, portrayal exists for a reason.

 

[Orgastthemage]

i have been thinking, who would win if Irene, August, and g. Serena would have fought against Laxus, DF Natsu, jellal, Gildarts, Df Gajeel, Gray, And Nakagami Erza?

 

[Hermit]

Haxes must have limitations.

I believe it all comes down to a lot of factors actually:
a) Magical power- BlueNote's Gravity Field is pretty hax but it doesn't work on people of the same power level, like Gildarts on Tenrou or Natsu at Lamia Scale, Future Rogue's Dragon Supremacy Magic not working on Acnologia (although this may be because he was originally human)
b) Immunity to the hax- Mirajane's Demon factor protecting her against Sayla's Macro or Lucy's protection against Alegria which captures everyone in Cube, Capricorn's Human Subordination Magic not working on Loke because he's a Spirit, Natsu surviving a literal death blast that would kill even Hades because of his scarf e.g.
As of now, Dimaria's Age Seal only has one limitation, it doesn't work on other Time Mages, that explains why Ultear was able to move freely in it. Also:

Spoiler: Ultear Returns

Ultear's statement pretty much confirms Age Seal is useless on Time Mages, meaning there is definitely a huge chance it would be effective on Acnologia

 

[Char]

I believe it all comes down to a lot of factors actually:
a) Magical power- BlueNote's Gravity Field is pretty hax but it doesn't work on people of the same power level, like Gildarts on Tenrou or Natsu at Lamia Scale, Future Rogue's Dragon Supremacy Magic not working on Acnologia (although this may be because he was originally human)

I partially agree with you on this, since I don't think it's particularly restricted to MP (the fact that Bluenote couldn't subjugate Glidartz/Natsu), I think it also depends on their bodily strength/durability.

b) Immunity to the hax- Mirajane's Demon factor protecting her against Sayla's Macro or Lucy's protection against Alegria which captures everyone in Cube, Capricorn's Human Subordination Magic not working on Loke because he's a Spirit, Natsu surviving a literal death blast that would kill even Hades because of his scarf e.g.

Yeah, immmunity/counter, any kind of magic is known to have counters, including hax magics. However we're more interested in knowing what'd happen if hax magic was applied to a mage who is not a natural counter/is not immune, but is inherently vastly superior to the mage in question.

i.e. what'd happen if Mira macro-ed Acnologia into commiting suicide.

As of now, Dimaria's Age Seal only has one limitation, it doesn't work on other Time Mages, that explains why Ultear was able to move freely in it.

More than Ultear being a natural counter, or time mages being natural counters of Dimaria, I think the thing is that a fraction of Ultear's got sealed and lost within the time gaol and that fraction of Ultear is the one who could alter that time-space.

Also:

Spoiler: Ultear Returns

Ultear's statement pretty much confirms Age Seal is useless on Time Mages, meaning there is definitely a huge chance it would be effective on Acnologia

More like stating that the gaol of time (timestop) is the place that phantom of Ultear lives in, not that time mages are counters of age seal, but you could interpret either way.

All in all, what I'm trying to say is there are people who're trying to justify that Acnologia couldn't be killed by an inferior mage even with the haxes, because his skin is just too durable to be damaged (and therefore, killed). E.g., some people defend Acnologia's passive durability is enough so as to withstand anything Dimaria can do to it while time is stopped.

I think durability is more relative than that, seeing as how August was portrayed to be as powerful as or superior to Zeref himself (making of him the second strongest mage after Acno, maybe?) and yet he was easily pierced by a regular enlarged weapon, proving his skin has human durability. I'm assuming in Acno's case, his skin should have human durability when it comes to sharp/piercing weaponry, so in his defense, I'd rather say haxes don't work on him (age seal would stop time but wouldn't affect him, Brandish couldn't shrink him, etc.)

 

[Demon Hunter]

i have been thinking, who would win if Irene, August, and g. Serena would have fought against Laxus, DF Natsu, jellal, Gildarts, Df Gajeel, Gray, And Nakagami Erza?

FT stomps hard. even if they are overpowered they can hold them off while Laxus casts Fairy Law. his Fairy Law should now be significantly stronger than before.

 

[Axiomus]

Even if Age Seal can trap Acnologia in time, Dimaria lacks the power to take down Acnologia in human form. In dragon form, Dimaria lacks the power to land even a single scratch. She can trap him in time until her power runs out, but that's about it. Mages like August are as powerful as Irene, and he knows every type of magic. Zeref too is more powerful than Dimaria, and Zeref can also stop time. Zeref, Irene, and August still recognize the need for Zeref to obtain Fairy Heart to obtain heart to take down Acnologia.

Acnologia is a dragon slayer, and this is what dragon slaying magic does:

Spoiler

Keep in mind:

Probably not much. Acnologia didn't flinch when Igneel tore off his arm. That's about as painful as a wound can get, and it was an attack that actually did physical harm to him. Plus, age scratch is used as a response to someone touching Dimaria. Dimaria would be dead in first contact.

 

[Char]

Even if Age Seal can trap Acnologia in time, Dimaria lacks the power to take down Acnologia in human form. In dragon form, Dimaria lacks the power to land even a single scratch. She can trap him in time until her power runs out, but that's about it. Mages like August are as powerful as Irene, and he knows every type of magic. Zeref too is more powerful than Dimaria, and Zeref can also stop time. Zeref, Irene, and August still recognize the need for Zeref to obtain Fairy Heart to obtain heart to take down Acnologia.

Acnologia is a dragon slayer, and this is what dragon slaying magic does:

Spoiler

Probably not much. Acnologia didn't flinch when Igneel tore off his arm. That's about as painful as a wound can get, and it was an attack that actually did physical harm to him. Plus, age scratch is used as a response to someone touching Dimaria. Dimaria would be dead in first contact.

There are two possible ways due to which Dimaria wouldn't be phisically capable of ending Acnologia:

1. Because Age Seal can't trap him in time. He exceeds Dimaria's and Age Seal's competences due to whatever reason (it doesn't affect entities with more MP than the prey, for example).
2. She manages to trap him in time, but she cannot hurt him because his skin is too durable.

Mashima has got us used to some patterns throughout his manga. One of them is that the stronger the mage, the more MP he generally has, and the more durable he generally is.

By that token, August should've been so durable that his skin should've been impenetrable by any blanded weapon whose strenght does not surpass his durability. Brandish is a hax-y magician, not a CQC specialized magician.

However, Brandish was capable of breaking through August's passive durability. How can we account for that?

Probably because durability is more relative than we want to believe and, except for some instances, such as the one @Shoutmon very well pointed out using the example of Natsu and Wally; passive durability is not governed by an only rule (= the stronger, not always the more durable).

In his human form, Acnologia seems to be the strongest, fastest and most durable 'human being' in the manga. However, he doesn't seemingly preserver his full Dragon aptitudes. I could see why many of you would agree Dimaria has got nothing in her arsenal capable of hurting Dragon form Acnologia. However I'd like to abide by possibility 1 above. I think Dimaria should definetely be capable of actually hurting/slashing/piercing through human form Acnologia, it's simply that she won't have the chance because AS is not working on him, so she's not getting anywhere near her.

Anyone who chooses possibility 2 is as entitled as I am to argue on that. After all, both possibilities are mere assumptions.

 

[The President]

There is a limit to everything in Fairy Tail. Unless the character is downright omnipotent there is no reason to assume that the technique has no limit, doing so would be a fallacy. In DBZ there is a time technique that is pretty much Age Seal and while it worked on Goku at fist, as the fight continued and he got stronger he was eventually able to break the effects. I'd look at Age Seal in much the same way, especially when Kagura was hinted at noticing the activation of Age Seal, although she wasn't powerful enough to do anything about it. People in the same class as DiMaria, or at least a class higher should be unaffected.

Although I do agree with Char that if Acnologia does get affected by Age Seal in his human form he'd likely get cut through. A cut from someone who's not complete jobber should be piercing human skin, no matter who you are within the Fairy Tail verse.

 

[Jko]

So because it wasn't stated to have a limit, it doesn't have one? Law wasn't stated to have a limit either. I guess Makarov, Laxus, Mavis and Hades can all one-shot Acnologia then...

Lol, Acnologia is the walking anti-hax so it pretty useless to even bring him even into the equation. We are talking about Laxus not Acnologia.

And speaking of Acno, how do you think Age Scratch will affect him? Do you think she'll actually hurt him with AS?

Unlike Laxus Acnologia pain threshold has yet to be shown. Would Age Scratch work on him yeah, but would it stop him no because we have no idea of Acno's true strength.

Keep in mind:
1) He's the only Dragon Slayer who survived the Dragon Civil War.

He could have killed the others for all we know.

2) He took the foster Dragons' soul and left them all in a half dead state. Prime Igneel included.

Spoiler

Zeref stated he has never once gone all out.

3) Irene couldn't even scratch the guy. And she is much stronger than Dimaria.

First, Irene was just trying to remove him from the battlefield and two Irene is much stronger than Laxus so again why even bring her into the conversation?

4) Human Acno's back was turned on August (most versatile Mage in this series and much stronger than Dimaria as well) and the latter didn't even dare to try anything. Not to mention he had Jacob, a fellow Spriggan, at his side.

Jacob was about to go in on Acno.... Also August never stated he couldn't hurt Acno he only knew he couldn't put him down.

5) August mentioned that if Zeref gets his hands on Fairy Heart, then he might be able to kill Acno. Might.

Everyone has stated this because no one knows how strong Acnologia truly is.

6) He ruled the world in Future Rogue's timeline.

Yeah, but we don't know what happened in that timeline and there were 10,000 dragons.

If Zeref or any one of his allies already had access to limitless spells, do you really think Acno would still be alive? For hundreds of years, no less? If Dimaria could affect Acno by herself, do you really think Zeref would've still gone after Fairy Heart?

We've already seen that Acno is the anti-hax with major durability seeing as Etherion couldn't put him down and Rogue's Dragon manipulation technique couldn't work on him. You have yet to prove the spell wouldn't work on him still. Could Fairy Law work sure but would it put him down, heck no.

The entire empire (12 Spriggans, 730 guilds) + Zeref himself are not enough to kill Acno. If you think Dimaria who wasn't even portrayed to be on another level than the other Spriggans is that strong, be my guest. But I'm not buying it.

You see where you're going wrong is that you're comparing Laxus to Acnologia and Zeref when Laxus ain't nowhere near Irene/August level let alone Zeref and Acnologia. Laxus can be affected by Age Scratch and it's never stated that her Age Scratch has a limit on who the attack is able to work on. All you're saying is that her spell isn't limitless but you have yet to disprove the spell wouldn't actually work on Acnologia. We all know the spell wouldn't put him down because Acno hasn't actually shown to be affected by pain and hasn't even shown what his threshold to pain is unlike Laxus.

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There is a limit to everything in Fairy Tail. Unless the character is downright omnipotent there is no reason to assume that the technique has no limit, doing so would be a fallacy. In DBZ there is a time technique that is pretty much Age Seal and while it worked on Goku at fist, as the fight continued and he got stronger he was eventually able to break the effects. I'd look at Age Seal in much the same way, especially when Kagura was hinted at noticing the activation of Age Seal, although she wasn't powerful enough to do anything about it. People in the same class as DiMaria, or at least a class higher should be unaffected.

Although I do agree with Char that if Acnologia does get affected by Age Seal in his human form he'd likely get cut through. A cut from someone who's not complete jobber should be piercing human skin, no matter who you are within the Fairy Tail verse.

Power level has nothing to do with timestop... if you don't have resistance to it then you're being frozen in time. Kagura had no idea about her Age Seal nor the activation. Dimaria didn't even timestop until she stripped of her clothes.

Spoiler

See she didn't notice jack squat about Age Seal.

 

[Woodenstool]

i have been thinking, who would win if Irene, August, and g. Serena would have fought against Laxus, DF Natsu, jellal, Gildarts, Df Gajeel, Gray, And Nakagami Erza?

Laxus drops a nuke, Natsu drops August, Jellal drops multiple Cema's, Gildarts blitz Irene.