Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Dragons aren't immune to magic either. They just have really tough scales. We've seen magic work on dragons, particularly types that control their minds.

Erza with dragon slaying magic can inflict lethal damage to dragons on Irene's level. I have very little doubt that Gildarts and Laxus can do the same.

If Natsu ever becomes a full dragon, he would probably be around the level of the god dragons. Think Ignia or Igneel in terms of stats. God Dragons have proven to be so durable that they can tank attacks from all of team Natsu with a slayer advantage. Igneel would rather face Acnologia as a dragon than transform into a human, so the stat advantage at their level is probably large enough that it outweighs their vulnerability to slaying magic.

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Don't debate that logic to me lmao, take it up with Mashima. God slayer magic is pretty much God's magic used by humans, yet is super effective. Devil Slayer magic is just demon magic used by humans, yet super effective. It is what it is, even tho I agree that it's pretty nonsensical.

I don't think Gods and Demon's powers have the properties of slaying magic when used against each other. Dragons do, and that's why they've evolved over time to be so durable against everything else.

 

[sharkai]

Dragons aren't immune to magic either. They just have really tough scales. We've seen magic work on dragons, particularly types that control their minds.

Erza with dragon slaying magic can inflict lethal damage to dragons on Irene's level. I have very little doubt that Gildarts and Laxus can do the same.

If Natsu ever becomes a full dragon, he would probably be around the level of the god dragons. Think Ignia or Igneel in terms of stats. God Dragons have proven to be so durable that they can tank attacks from all of team Natsu with a slayer advantage. Igneel would rather face Acnologia as a dragon than transform into a human, so the stat advantage at their level is probably large enough that it outweighs their vulnerability to slaying magic.

so basically only hax effects them?

and alverzec gajeel can kill FH zeref, i hope you have little doubt here as well

so basically create an exception for your point? if natsu in dragon form will outweigh his vulnerabilty to base natsu ds magic then same should apply to eileen.

 

[Axiomus]

so basically only hax effects them?

and alverzec gajeel can kill FH zeref, i hope you have little doubt here as well

so basically create an exception for your point? if natsu in dragon form will outweigh his vulnerabilty to base natsu ds magic then same should apply to eileen.

Hax isn't a type of magic. Magic works on dragons. Their scales are simply so tough that they tank everything except attacks with dragon slaying magic.

No he can't. Natsu beat FH Zeref by burning time, and even that didn't kill him. Gajeel can't burn stuff. Nor can he match Natsu's flames of emotions. Neither can Erza, for that matter.

How did I create an exception? Igneel traded attacks with Acnologia. God Dragons like Mercphobia no-sold attacks from all of team Natsu with the dragon slaying seal. Aldoron no-sold an FDK destruction fist, and technically every single AOE from every dragon slayer fighting on his back. Acnologia-level dragons simply have good enough stats that Erza-level dragon slayers can't hurt them. Natsu, if he ever becomes a dragon, would probably have stats on their level.

Irene simply isn't on their level.

 

[sharkai]

Hax isn't a type of magic. Magic works on dragons. Their scales are simply so tough that they tank everything except attacks with dragon slaying magic.

No he can't. Natsu beat FH Zeref by burning time, and even that didn't kill him. Gajeel can't burn stuff. Nor can he match Natsu's flames of emotions. Neither can Erza.

How did I create an exception? God Dragons like Mercphobia no-sold attacks from all of team Natsu with the dragon slaying seal. Igneel traded attacks with Acnologia. Aldoron no-sold an FDK destruction fist, and technically every single AOE from every dragon slayer fighting on his back. Acnologia-level dragons simply have good enough stats that Erza-level dragon slayers can't hurt them. Natsu, if he ever becomes a dragon, would probably have stats on their level.

Irene simply isn't on their level.

you are right hax isnt one. but we can easily categorize hax and non hax based magic, no? will gildarts magic work on zirconis scales?

gajeel can cut stuffs, so that is not a valid point (your magic can evaporate, cut, crash, freeze or burn weaker magic). flame of emotions is not a move per say. i guess i will wait till natsu uses his flames of emotion move again. its just natus move amped by emotions, aka pof. yes gajeel and erza cant match pof natsu, exactly like laxus and gildarts cant match pof erza (end of last arc one atleast). please provide panels of laxus or gildarts electrocuting or crashing august strongest move.

i am not comparing god tier to irene. i am comparing same people with their dragon forms.
so
its aconologia vs dragon aconolgia
its natsu vs dragon natsu
its irene vs dragon irene
and then we can talk about super effectiveness of dragon slayer magic on dragons

 

[Axiomus]

you are right hax isnt one. but we can easily categorize hax and non hax based magic, no? will gildarts magic work on zirconis scales?

gajeel can cut stuffs, so that is not a valid point (your magic can evaporate, cut, crash, freeze or burn weaker magic). flame of emotions is not a move per say. i guess i will wait till natsu uses his flames of emotion move again. its just natus move amped by emotions, aka pof. yes gajeel and erza cant match pof natsu, exactly like laxus and gildarts cant match pof erza (end of last arc one atleast). please provide panels of laxus or gildarts electrocuting or crashing august strongest move.

i am not comparing god tier to irene. i am comparing same people with their dragon forms.
so
its aconologia vs dragon aconolgia
its natsu vs dragon natsu
its irene vs dragon irene
and then we can talk about super effectiveness of dragon slayer magic on dragons

For the purposes of discussion, sure. It just has no real meaning for the characters within the world of Fairy Tail. Magic that aims to damage the scales won't work.

Gajeel can't cut time, and he's not stronger than FH Zeref. He lost to LFD Natsu. Flames of Emotion is a property of Natsu's dragon slaying magic that turns his emotions into magic power. He has this on top of whatever general POF that everyone in the series has.

August's best attack is Ars Magia, and that's not something I think they can electrocute or crush. But to be fair, I don't think Erza can cut Ars Magia either. I rank it as a better attack than Deus Sema anyways, because it's a suicide spell. I have Deus Sema being much closer to an attack like melt than Ars Magia. I think it's reasonable that Laxus and Gildarts can counter attacks on the scale of melt.

Everyone is stronger in their dragon forms. The difference is that the stats of a god dragon is high enough that it outweighs their vulnerability to dragon slaying magic, whereas for Irene it isn't.

 

[sharkai]

For the purposes of discussion, sure. It just has no real meaning for the characters within the world of Fairy Tail. Magic that aims to damage the scales won't work.

Gajeel can't cut time, and he's not stronger than FH Zeref. He lost to LFD Natsu. Flames of Emotion is a property of Natsu's dragon slaying magic that turns his emotions into magic power. He has this on top of whatever general POF that everyone in the series has.

August's best attack is Ars Magia, and that's not something I think they can electrocute or crush. But to be fair, I don't think Erza can cut Ars Magia either. I rank it as a better attack than Deus Sema anyways, because it's a suicide spell. I have Deus Sema being much closer to an attack like melt than Ars Magia. I think it's reasonable that Laxus and Gildarts can counter attacks on the scale of melt.

Everyone is stronger in their dragon forms. The difference is that the stats of a god dragon is high enough that it outweighs their vulnerability to dragon slaying magic, whereas for Irene it isn't.

exactly, if we agree on what non hax magic is, we can easily say dragons are immune to non hax magic

nor is natsu stronger than zeref. no its not. i have yet to see someone in manga saying that is unique to natsu. everyone can turn their emotions to power. more relevant the character (or i guess more potential that character has) means more pof
natsu pof is the highest
then erza pof
then gray (because gray fights in a different way, usually)

normal characters like laxus and gildarts have low pof boost. bad guys generally dont have it at all.
pof is not explained clearly in the manga. emotions makes one stronger that is all. natsu is not special here.
i doubt you can provide me detailed explanation of pof from the manga. saying natsu has two pof thingy is just headcannon

Ars magia is stronger than dues sema. comparing melt to deus sema is like comparing lucy kick to reiko red lightening. yes laxus gildarts and even gray can counter melt. saying laxus or gildarts can counter dues sema (something we saw only pof erza do) could be easily placed along with alerzec gajeel handling fh zeref.
can gmg minerva handle gmg jellal sema, when even jura was breaking sweat watching it unfold?
weaker mages shouldnt be able to handle stronger character top tier move.


now you know what i meant about you creating exception for irene
The difference is that the stats of a god dragon is high enough that it outweighs their vulnerability to dragon slaying magic, whereas for Irene it isn't.

 

[Axiomus]

exactly, if we agree on what non hax magic is, we can easily say dragons are immune to non hax magic

nor is natsu stronger than zeref. no its not. i have yet to see someone in manga saying that is unique to natsu. everyone can turn their emotions to power. more relevant the character (or i guess more potential that character has) means more pof
natsu pof is the highest
then erza pof
then gray (because gray fights in a different way, usually)

normal characters like laxus and gildarts have low pof boost. bad guys generally dont have it at all.
pof is not explained clearly in the manga. emotions makes one stronger that is all. natsu is not special here.
i doubt you can provide me detailed explanation of pof from the manga. saying natsu has two pof thingy is just headcannon

Ars magia is stronger than dues sema. comparing melt to deus sema is like comparing lucy kick to reiko red lightening. yes laxus gildarts and even gray can counter melt. saying laxus or gildarts can counter dues sema (something we saw only pof erza do) could be easily placed along with alerzec gajeel handling fh zeref.
can gmg minerva handle gmg jellal sema, when even jura was breaking sweat watching it unfold?
weaker mages shouldnt be able to handle stronger character top tier move.


now you know what i meant about you creating exception for irene
The difference is that the stats of a god dragon is high enough that it outweighs their vulnerability to dragon slaying magic, whereas for Irene it isn't.

No we can't, because there's no real difference between hax magic or non hax magic. Dragons aren't immune to magic. They just have tough enough scales that magic that tries to damage them end up doing nothing.

Natsu beat Zeref. How can he not be stronger?

Flames of Emotion are unique to Natsu. It's a part of Natsu's dragon slaying magic, because it's an ancient spell (magic from 400 years ago) and the only ancient spell Natsu knows is the magic that Igneel taught him. Apparently it is unusual for emotions to convert directly into magic power. So yeah, it isn't headcanon to say Natsu has this on top of general POF.

Spoiler

What makes you think Deus Sema is that much stronger than melt? And yeah, I think Laxus and Gildarts can smash Deus Sema. Deus Sema is just a stronger version of Sema. It's just a bigger rock that presumably makes a stronger explosion. We saw Shiki break Genesis' Sema, and Genesis is probably as strong as current Jellal if not stronger.

Spoiler

Laxus and Gildarts just have to hit a rock as hard as Erza can to break Deus Sema. In order for Gajeel to beat FH Zeref, he'd have to find a way to stop Zeref from reversing time. It's not the same. Even if Gajeel could match DF Natsu and blow apart Zeref's body, he'd run into the same problem of Zeref undoing everything.

That's not an exception I made up. That's an observable fact. Igneel can trade attacks with Acnologia's dragon slaying magic, and chooses to do so, despite having the ability to assume a human form. His stats must outweigh the vulnerability to DS magic. All the other God Dragons have no sold dragon slaying attacks too. Irene got onesshotted by Erza. Unless you're saying Erza can oneshot a God Dragon, then there's a huge difference in their stats.

 

[Ratrace]

No we can't, because there's no real difference between hax magic or non hax magic. Dragons aren't immune to magic. They just have tough enough scales that magic that tries to damage them end up doing nothing.

You would think their scale would protect them from other dragons or people using dragon type magic like dragon slayers but it’s doesn’t

 

[GL_Nova]

August pretty much came out of the rubble with no damage done to him while Gildarts couldn't even use his mechanical arm anymore, which is the only thing that gave him a chance in that fight. He only used Ars Magia due to PIS, he could've just used his fire nuke or crush. And you also have to remember that Gildarts was pissed off for half the fight after August threatened to kill Cana, yet August was casually beating him while thinking about his daddy issues. Nothing in that fight demonstrates that they're equal IMO.

His nuke wouldn’t have done anything, Gildarts would have been able to crash it like every other attack. He only fights with the one arm anyway. August slapping him around while he’s angry is no different than any other example of how you shouldn’t get mad and rush a Master.

I dont think so
august is complicated, because he isnt a straight fighter. he is a hax user.
irene is simple. if we are asking, are current laxus or erza equally as strong as dragon irene. i really dont think so.

i am looking at it like this, can current laxus hit so hard that it will break alverzec erza sword and one shot her?
though i do see current red lightening mode laxus mid diffing alverzec laxus

He can hit so hard with a normal punch he shatters current Erza’s armor. Your point doesn’t match what we’re shown buddy.

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Good good. Keep the page growing.

Also, Gray can beat Jellal.

 

[Dimitri1220]

His nuke wouldn’t have done anything, Gildarts would have been able to crash it like every other attack. He only fights with the one arm anyway. August slapping him around while he’s angry is no different than any other example of how you shouldn’t get mad and rush a Master.

Thats assuming Gildarts can crush an attack that big. My point was that his mechanical arm was the only thing that gave him a chance to damage August, so it doesn't matter if Gildarts can still fight with his other arm since August will just nullify all his attacks.

 

[GL_Nova]

Thats assuming Gildarts can crush an attack that big. My point was that his mechanical arm was the only thing that gave him a chance to damage August, so it doesn't matter if Gildarts can still fight with his other arm since August will just nullify all his attacks.

You have nothing to suggest that he can’t. Natsu was able to completely negate his attack. Are you suggesting he can’t keep up with base Natsu now?

 

[Dimitri1220]

You have nothing to suggest that he can’t. Natsu was able to completely negate his attack. Are you suggesting he can’t keep up with base Natsu now?

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Even if I were to agree he could, August would still end up winning. Also Natsu, a fire dragon slayer, only partially negated the attack.

 

[sharkai]

His nuke wouldn’t have done anything, Gildarts would have been able to crash it like every other attack. He only fights with the one arm anyway. August slapping him around while he’s angry is no different than any other example of how you shouldn’t get mad and rush a Master.



He can hit so hard with a normal punch he shatters current Erza’s armor. Your point doesn’t match what we’re shown buddy.

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Good good. Keep the page growing.

Also, Gray can beat Jellal.

that armor can be broken by freed lol. laxus with all his might couldnt put erza down. erza eventually fell because of exhaustion. so no i dont agree.

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No we can't, because there's no real difference between hax magic or non hax magic. Dragons aren't immune to magic. They just have tough enough scales that magic that tries to damage them end up doing nothing.

Natsu beat Zeref. How can he not be stronger?

Flames of Emotion are unique to Natsu. It's a part of Natsu's dragon slaying magic, because it's an ancient spell (magic from 400 years ago) and the only ancient spell Natsu knows is the magic that Igneel taught him. Apparently it is unusual for emotions to convert directly into magic power. So yeah, it isn't headcanon to say Natsu has this on top of general POF.

Spoiler

What makes you think Deus Sema is that much stronger than melt? And yeah, I think Laxus and Gildarts can smash Deus Sema. Deus Sema is just a stronger version of Sema. It's just a bigger rock that presumably makes a stronger explosion. We saw Shiki break Genesis' Sema, and Genesis is probably as strong as current Jellal if not stronger.

Spoiler

Laxus and Gildarts just have to hit a rock as hard as Erza can to break Deus Sema. In order for Gajeel to beat FH Zeref, he'd have to find a way to stop Zeref from reversing time. It's not the same. Even if Gajeel could match DF Natsu and blow apart Zeref's body, he'd run into the same problem of Zeref undoing everything.

That's not an exception I made up. That's an observable fact. Igneel can trade attacks with Acnologia's dragon slaying magic, and chooses to do so, despite having the ability to assume a human form. His stats must outweigh the vulnerability to DS magic. All the other God Dragons have no sold dragon slaying attacks too. Irene got onesshotted by Erza. Unless you're saying Erza can oneshot a God Dragon, then there's a huge difference in their stats.

we just talked about it. outside of the manga we can categorized hax magic.

and a year later natsu got stalemated my gajeel. you still dont think 100 year quest gajeel can handle zeref

no they are not (unless we are focusing on the word flames here). erigor, you think erigor knows sh!t about magic. he is like the first villain.
yes it is headcannon. we have seen fairy tail guys doing shocking things (shocking people like jellal, invel and 400 years old irene) with pof. and you are just giving me the series first villain suprise. irene was literally magical expert in the ancient time erigor is referring to.
Give me something less vague and clearly stating that its unique to natsu.

what makes you think that huge nuke human irene did against erza wasnt stronger than melt? melt is a casual move of august (at max mid tier move) also its featless. melt is around irene casual move.

Laxus and Gildarts just have to hit a rock as hard as Erza can to break Deus Sema.
and how can they hit that hard. can laxus also kill aldron like natsu did, he just have to hit that hard. dont you need feats for this. did laxus and gildarts throw rot aconologia back?
the point about gajeel was, that he cant match pof natsu, just like laxus and gildarts cant match pof erza (EOS erza).

yes it is.
we have erza, who was well below irene. even enhanced erza was below
then irene went dragon
showed us that a simple hit from her will break erza sword and nearly all her bones.
then went on to hype dues sema move
erza started talking nakama, started glowing, shocking 400 years old irene.
and destroyed it.

and you think normal erza could have done it?
she obviously got some sort of boost, and that boost was enough to shock irene (whose one claw swipe feat you are well aware of).
so we have this unknown boost to account for.

as a side point, we have gmg jellal who might be some where around gmg jura (atleast one move of jellal wont break jura). though portrayal seems to show jura above jellal. yet jura was st!ll sweating watching sema unfold. Do you really think jura was just going for an oscar? do you think minerva, or maybe lyon can handle that same sema?
then why are you assuming normal erza can.

with this unknown boost, you can get rid of the exception you have created for irene.
human irene durability is strong enough to tank enhanced erza strike to her head while completely distracted. durability well above gildarts maybe around august level. dragon irene durability will also be good
what do you think will happen to jura if he gets hit by an attack equal or slightly stronger than his Mt fugi?
that what happened to irene.

same would happen to god dragon natsu, if he gets hit by an equivalent attack to his own top tier, with no immunity to it
same would happen to god dragon aconologia, if he gets hit by an equivalent attack to his own top tier, with no immunity to it

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

A little out of subject, but with the extra chapter out, is it safe to assume that Faris has the biggest
Min-max ratio of Hax to Power by far?

 

[Axiomus]

that armor can be broken by freed lol. laxus with all his might couldnt put erza down. erza eventually fell because of exhaustion. so no i dont agree.

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we just talked about it. outside of the manga we can categorized hax magic.

and a year later natsu got stalemated my gajeel. you still dont think 100 year quest gajeel can handle zeref

no they are not (unless we are focusing on the word flames here). erigor, you think erigor knows sh!t about magic. he is like the first villain.
yes it is headcannon. we have seen fairy tail guys doing shocking things (shocking people like jellal, invel and 400 years old irene) with pof. and you are just giving me the series first villain suprise. irene was literally magical expert in the ancient time erigor is referring to.
Give me something less vague and clearly stating that its unique to natsu.

what makes you think that huge nuke human irene did against erza wasnt stronger than melt? melt is a casual move of august (at max mid tier move) also its featless. melt is around irene casual move.

Laxus and Gildarts just have to hit a rock as hard as Erza can to break Deus Sema.
and how can they hit that hard. can laxus also kill aldron like natsu did, he just have to hit that hard. dont you need feats for this. did laxus and gildarts throw rot aconologia back?
the point about gajeel was, that he cant match pof natsu, just like laxus and gildarts cant match pof erza (EOS erza).

yes it is.
we have erza, who was well below irene. even enhanced erza was below
then irene went dragon
showed us that a simple hit from her will break erza sword and nearly all her bones.
then went on to hype dues sema move
erza started talking nakama, started glowing, shocking 400 years old irene.
and destroyed it.

and you think normal erza could have done it?
she obviously got some sort of boost, and that boost was enough to shock irene (whose one claw swipe feat you are well aware of).
so we have this unknown boost to account for.

as a side point, we have gmg jellal who might be some where around gmg jura (atleast one move of jellal wont break jura). though portrayal seems to show jura above jellal. yet jura was st!ll sweating watching sema unfold. Do you really think jura was just going for an oscar? do you think minerva, or maybe lyon can handle that same sema?
then why are you assuming normal erza can.

with this unknown boost, you can get rid of the exception you have created for irene.
human irene durability is strong enough to tank enhanced erza strike to her head while completely distracted. durability well above gildarts maybe around august level. dragon irene durability will also be good
what do you think will happen to jura if he gets hit by an attack equal or slightly stronger than his Mt fugi?
that what happened to irene.

same would happen to god dragon natsu, if he gets hit by an equivalent attack to his own top tier, with no immunity to it
same would happen to god dragon aconologia, if he gets hit by an equivalent attack to his own top tier, with no immunity to it

You can categorize magic any which way you want. I can make a distinction between magic that is cool or lame. Doesn't mean that dragons are somehow resistant to magic that is lame, but can be affected by magic that is cool. Hax isn't an actual type of magic. Dragons are affected by magic. They're just super durable because of their scales.

Yes, it is. Flames of emotions is unique to Natsu because nobody else uses it. Erigor's statements are there to explain things to the reader. He's not the only person that uses this term. Zeref also recognizes Natsu's final attack, the FDK destruction fist that beat him, as using flames of emotion. There's no reason to doubt their statements. Irene's never been stated to use flames of emotions. She, and everyone else, can tap into power of emotions....but that isn't the same thing as Natsu's flames of emotion, which is specific to his dragon slaying magic.

Laxus stalemated attacks from Erza's enchanted dragon slaying swords, which was what she used against Irene. He also stalemated Erza using heaven's wheel to spam all her weapons, which is what she used against Acnologia. So yes, I do think Laxus can replicate most of what Erza did. The Christina airship basically did what Erza did by shoving Acnologia into the rift of time, and I have no doubt that Laxus can generate the same amount of force with his attacks. As for Gildarts? I just assume he's stronger than Laxus and Erza.

Also, Gajeel didn't stalemate Natsu. He lost to LFD Natsu, who went on to use stronger forms to fight stronger people. DF Natsu blew a hole in Aldoron's back that also vaporized the middle city. This is more damage than giant Gajeel did, so obviously Gajeel doesn't match DF Natsu. If Gajeel was stalemating DF or FDK, you might have a point against Zeref. But he lost to LFD Natsu.

I haven't created an exception for Irene. Irene got injured by Wendy's claw attack and Erza's cuts. The cut to her head you mentioned made her bleed. I agree that human Irene should have similar stats to human August. Brandish stabbed August with a sword, and Irene stabbed herself with Erza's sword. Compare this to when Gajeel tried to stab Acnologia with his sword-arm, and it just bounced off his chest. Acnologia simply has much higher stats than Irene/August tiers. Dragons on Acnologia's level have stats are so high that it outweighs their vulnerability to dragon slaying magic when fighting dragon slayers. For example, Igneel is able to trade blows with Acnologia. Natsu with Ignia's flames was stronger than Mercphobia in their fight, and was stronger than Erza with POF, but Mercphobia wasn't oneshotted by Natsu's attacks. Without Ignia's flames, Mercphobia can no-sell everything from team Natsu. Aldoron would literally take 100,000,000 FDK Destruction Fists to take down.

 

[Seven777]

We know why non DS wizards can't hurt dragons with magic, it's because their bodies are too durable. Swords and physical attacks won't work either, which is why Jura didn't go around just punching dragons and Erza didn't go around slashing them back in GMG. Dragon's don't have a specific immunity to magic, they just have bodies so durable that magical AND physical attacks just won't hurt them, that's why you need the extra damage from Slayer Advantage.

As for Eileen compared to other dragons, it's not like Erza's slash even beat Eileen anyway, it was merely super effective against Eileen's dragon form. DS magic is still super effective against pure dragons like Igneel too, Igneel just doesn't have a human form to revert into and even if he did, why bother? He needs the physical power of a dragon to contend with Acno anyway.

 

[sharkai]

You can categorize magic any which way you want. I can make a distinction between magic that is cool or lame. Doesn't mean that dragons are somehow resistant to magic that is lame, but can be affected by magic that is cool. Hax isn't an actual type of magic. Dragons are affected by magic. They're just super durable because of their scales.

Yes, it is. Flames of emotions is unique to Natsu because nobody else uses it. Erigor's statements are there to explain things to the reader. He's not the only person that uses this term. Zeref also recognizes Natsu's final attack, the FDK destruction fist that beat him, as using flames of emotion. There's no reason to doubt their statements. Irene's never been stated to use flames of emotions. She, and everyone else, can tap into power of emotions....but that isn't the same thing as Natsu's flames of emotion, which is specific to his dragon slaying magic.

Laxus stalemated attacks from Erza's enchanted dragon slaying swords, which was what she used against Irene. He also stalemated Erza using heaven's wheel to spam all her weapons, which is what she used against Acnologia. So yes, I do think Laxus can replicate most of what Erza did. The Christina airship basically did what Erza did by shoving Acnologia into the rift of time, and I have no doubt that Laxus can generate the same amount of force with his attacks. As for Gildarts? I just assume he's stronger than Laxus and Erza.

Also, Gajeel didn't stalemate Natsu. He lost to LFD Natsu, who went on to use stronger forms to fight stronger people. DF Natsu blew a hole in Aldoron's back that also vaporized the middle city. This is more damage than giant Gajeel did, so obviously Gajeel doesn't match DF Natsu. If Gajeel was stalemating DF or FDK, you might have a point against Zeref. But he lost to LFD Natsu.

I haven't created an exception for Irene. Irene got injured by Wendy's claw attack and Erza's cuts. The cut to her head you mentioned made her bleed. I agree that human Irene should have similar stats to human August. Brandish stabbed August with a sword, and Irene stabbed herself with Erza's sword. Compare this to when Gajeel tried to stab Acnologia with his sword-arm, and it just bounced off his chest. Acnologia simply has much higher stats than Irene/August tiers. Dragons on Acnologia's level have stats are so high that it outweighs their vulnerability to dragon slaying magic when fighting dragon slayers. For example, Igneel is able to trade blows with Acnologia. Natsu with Ignia's flames was stronger than Mercphobia in their fight, and was stronger than Erza with POF, but Mercphobia wasn't oneshotted by Natsu's attacks. Without Ignia's flames, Mercphobia can no-sell everything from team Natsu. Aldoron would literally take 100,000,000 FDK Destruction Fists to take down.

you keep on jumping here.
any magic that is like projectile and has to pass through durability is what we can define as non hax magic (we can add punches and kicks here). dragons are basically immune to this. any hax magic like effecting mind, time or senses or some other stuffs, which does not care for character durability or power can be considered hax magic. evergreen eyes magic is hax, she can basically one shot erza with that. and erza can low diff her if she somehow is safe from that magic

Laxus stalemated attacks from Erza's enchanted dragon slaying swords, which was what she used against Irene. He also stalemated Erza using heaven's wheel to spam all her weapons, which is what she used against Acnologia. So yes, I do think Laxus can replicate most of what Erza did. The Christina airship basically did what Erza did by shoving Acnologia into the rift of time, and I have no doubt that Laxus can generate the same amount of force with his attacks. As for Gildarts? I just assume he's stronger than Laxus and Erza.
so basically you think there is no such thing as pof in fairy tail other than natsu flame of emotions?



Yes, it is. Flames of emotions is unique to Natsu because nobody else uses it. Erigor's statements are there to explain things to the reader. He's not the only person that uses this term. Zeref also recognizes Natsu's final attack, the FDK destruction fist that beat him, as using flames of emotion. There's no reason to doubt their statements. Irene's never been stated to use flames of emotions. She, and everyone else, can tap into power of emotions....but that isn't the same thing as Natsu's flames of emotion, which is specific to his dragon slaying magic.

I am getting confused, do you believe fairy tail has pof or not. here you seems to believe it

no gajeel didnt lose. and that too against a stronger (atleast older natsu). do you think 100 year quest gajeel is alot weaker than alverzc nastu?


why should i compare that. aconologia stabbing himself with a sword, or maybe his girlfriend stabs him. now that would be similar example.
gajeel stabbing rot aconologia, laxus punching rot aconologia and erza blasting dragon rot aconologia are also similar.

why do you keep on doing this?
i am saying
dragon irene>>irene>erza
erza equals (like laxus) can one shot dragon irene because of ds (this is basically what you believe)

in other words
Dragon god natsu >>EOS base natsu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>August>>alverzec natsu
EOS base natsu should be able to one shot Dragon god natsu

this is infact much better than erza or laxus, who are even below human irene

either the above is true or erza got a huge pof boost for that one instance and ds weakness isnt such a big deal

or you could create exceptions like sema is one unique spell that can be overpowered by alot weaker mages, but but literally no other spell will have such weakness
this could be added to irene being that one unique dragon who can be almost one shot by people weaker than her base form, but no other dragon is gonna have that weakness
Basically just singling out irene

Can you answer the following questions
Does pof exists in Fairy tail?
How can we be sure natsu Flames of emotions are different from standard pofs?
Can gmg lyon, who is alot weaker than gmg jellal, handle his sema?
can human aconolgia one shot dragon acnologia?

 

[Seven777]

you keep on jumping here.
any magic that is like projectile and has to pass through durability is what we can define as non hax magic (we can add punches and kicks here). dragons are basically immune to this. any hax magic like effecting mind, time or senses or some other stuffs, which does not care for character durability or power can be considered hax magic. evergreen eyes magic is hax, she can basically one shot erza with that. and erza can low diff her if she somehow is safe from that magic

They're not immune, they're just too durable to be hurt. Igneel, Acno's equal/inferior, can harm Acno with pure physical power. Dragons aren't immune to anything other than their own element, unless you're Acno who's element is everything. All you need to hurt a dragon is to be their equal like Igneel was to Acno.

in other words
Dragon god natsu >>EOS base natsu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>August>>alverzec natsu
EOS base natsu should be able to one shot Dragon god natsu

He can't oneshot dragon god Natsu, he'd probably be able to knock him out of his dragon form though. Do you think Eileen herself isn't strong enough to knock Eileen out of her dragon form?

either the above is true or erza got a huge pof boost for that one instance and ds weakness isnt such a big deal

Slayer advantage is a big deal, it's no different to Gray being able to hurt Mard Geer. DId Gray have PoF? Sure, Slayer advantage still carried the load though.

or you could create exceptions like sema is one unique spell that can be overpowered by alot weaker mages, but but literally no other spell will have such weakness

It's not an exception anyone needs to create, it happens all the time, see Wendy doing it to Dimaria's full powered attack. And like Axiomas said, Shiki did it to Genesis' Sema and Genesis is stronger than Shiki, Natsu and Haru combined.

this could be added to irene being that one unique dragon who can be almost one shot by people weaker than her base form, but no other dragon is gonna have that weakness
Basically just singling out irene

Don't need to create or "single out" Eileen here either since Eileen wasn't oneshot. She tanked a combo attack from Erza and Wendy, an enchanted strike from Erza's fusion swords and a True Benizakura tier attack with super effect DS magic behind it. She also wasn't defeated by all that.

 

[Axiomus]

you keep on jumping here.
any magic that is like projectile and has to pass through durability is what we can define as non hax magic (we can add punches and kicks here). dragons are basically immune to this. any hax magic like effecting mind, time or senses or some other stuffs, which does not care for character durability or power can be considered hax magic. evergreen eyes magic is hax, she can basically one shot erza with that. and erza can low diff her if she somehow is safe from that magic

Laxus stalemated attacks from Erza's enchanted dragon slaying swords, which was what she used against Irene. He also stalemated Erza using heaven's wheel to spam all her weapons, which is what she used against Acnologia. So yes, I do think Laxus can replicate most of what Erza did. The Christina airship basically did what Erza did by shoving Acnologia into the rift of time, and I have no doubt that Laxus can generate the same amount of force with his attacks. As for Gildarts? I just assume he's stronger than Laxus and Erza.
so basically you think there is no such thing as pof in fairy tail other than natsu flame of emotions?



Yes, it is. Flames of emotions is unique to Natsu because nobody else uses it. Erigor's statements are there to explain things to the reader. He's not the only person that uses this term. Zeref also recognizes Natsu's final attack, the FDK destruction fist that beat him, as using flames of emotion. There's no reason to doubt their statements. Irene's never been stated to use flames of emotions. She, and everyone else, can tap into power of emotions....but that isn't the same thing as Natsu's flames of emotion, which is specific to his dragon slaying magic.

I am getting confused, do you believe fairy tail has pof or not. here you seems to believe it

no gajeel didnt lose. and that too against a stronger (atleast older natsu). do you think 100 year quest gajeel is alot weaker than alverzc nastu?


why should i compare that. aconologia stabbing himself with a sword, or maybe his girlfriend stabs him. now that would be similar example.
gajeel stabbing rot aconologia, laxus punching rot aconologia and erza blasting dragon rot aconologia are also similar.

why do you keep on doing this?
i am saying
dragon irene>>irene>erza
erza equals (like laxus) can one shot dragon irene because of ds (this is basically what you believe)

in other words
Dragon god natsu >>EOS base natsu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>August>>alverzec natsu
EOS base natsu should be able to one shot Dragon god natsu

this is infact much better than erza or laxus, who are even below human irene

either the above is true or erza got a huge pof boost for that one instance and ds weakness isnt such a big deal

or you could create exceptions like sema is one unique spell that can be overpowered by alot weaker mages, but but literally no other spell will have such weakness
this could be added to irene being that one unique dragon who can be almost one shot by people weaker than her base form, but no other dragon is gonna have that weakness
Basically just singling out irene

Can you answer the following questions
Does pof exists in Fairy tail?
How can we be sure natsu Flames of emotions are different from standard pofs?
Can gmg lyon, who is alot weaker than gmg jellal, handle his sema?
can human aconolgia one shot dragon acnologia?

I've been entirely consistent on this. Hax magic isn't a real type of magic and dragons aren't immune to magic. Hax is a fan-made term. Dragons simply have super tough scales. Attacks, magical or physical, that try to damage their scales simply end up getting tanked. Dragons can still be mind controlled, healed, or have their magic drained by face.

That's not what I said. Everyone uses POF. Only Natsu uses flames of emotion, which he uses on top of POF. If you take away flames of emotion from Natsu, he would still use POF like everyone else. When Natsu beat Zeref, he was using his flames of emotion.

I mean, he said he lost. Or was losing. He was at the point where he could no longer defend Levy. I think DF Natsu from Alvarez arc would literally incinerate LFD Natsu from 100YQ, yes. Dragon Force is something Natsu uses when he wants to kill top tier opponents like Zeref or Aldoron. LFD is something Natsu is willing to pull out against Lucy.

Acnologia can't stab himself with a sword. He is tougher than any sword. The sword would just bounce off his skin. Against his dragon form, the swords would just break upon impact against his scales. That's exactly what happened when Erza spammed her swords with heaven's wheel. If Ignia in his human form grabbed one of Erza's sword and tried to cut Acnologia with it....What's gonna break would be Erza's sword.

First of all, the Natsu that beat FH Zeref was using FDK. The Natsu that beat human Acno was using 7DS. Neither counts as base Natsu. Anyways, Natsu with Ignia's flames is the strongest version of Natsu we've seen so far, and he still isn't able to oneshot Mercphobia. So no, Alvarez-arc Natsu isn't oneshotting a god dragon.

The POF boost on it's own wouldn't have been enough. Irene literally said that a dragon's scales are harder to cut than a meteor. Even with POF, Erza needed the dragon slaying enchantment to make that cut. Similarly, Natsu had no shortage of POF going into the fight with Mercphobia. His attacks still did pretty much nothing. Natsu had no shortage of POF after he ate Ignia's flames. It still took multiple hits for him to beat Mercphobia. I'm not singling Irene out. I'm just pointing out how the god dragons have good enough stats to not get oneshotted by Erza-tier dragon slayers. Igneel isn't getting oneshotted by Acnologia. Mercphobia wasn't getting oneshotted by Natsu with Ignia's flames. Irene does not, because her dragon form was cut down by Erza. The only way this wouldn't be true is if you think Erza is simply stronger than Natsu with Ignia's flames or Acnologia.

To answer your questions:

• Yes, POF exists.
• Because we're told that flames of emotion is an ancient magic that Natsu uses. Power of Emotions is something everyone has, just by nature of having emotions.
• No.
• No.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Hax is anything that doesn’t have to do with physical stats. There is hax magic.