Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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I thought this was the case until I went back and re-read some of the fights. Some of them were exhausted.
That’s true some like Laxus were still injured/exhausted from their fight
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I don't know exactly how the magic restoration thing goes.
But what is known is that those who were controlled and Exhausted instantly returned in full magic and were restored.

Jubia, for example, took her magic back.
Mirajane was Ko, hurt and exhausted and right after she was new and full of magic, she made huge explosions.
Like Elfman.
Gajeel was also exhausted and injured and there he was good as new.
Max and the others were unconscious and defeated inside the cocoons Nebal made and they were all awake and as good as new.
I was just wondering if it probably had something to do with Touka magic
 
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I was just wondering if it probably had something to do with Touka magic
Directly, yes.

It's direct counter effect when she was trap and lost control. Her White Magic was nullified so Fairy Tail regained their mind but with a blank in memory, and their Magic sealed inside Touka returned back into their original's users. Like if they never passed under control.
 

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Then I suggest you pay attention to these scans.....there is no debate.

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Same as the book on my Kindle, what’s ya point? Cause I don’t see anything about a tie.
 

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Same as the book on my Kindle, what’s ya point? Cause I don’t see anything about a tie.
Oh so you can't see how the person who watched the entire thing called it a tie and Laxus passes out unwillingly?

That's a you problem.
 

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Let's see if I can put this in basic terms for you.....

Erza says, I'll win next time which is a concession. No matter how you try to spin it, Erza concedes and Laxus then says, "That's my line" and collapses instantly later. Laxus doesn't even try to acknowledge this fight, he concedes in a sense too making it a double ko.....aka a tie. He also says he ran out of magic and still couldn't stand up......Laxus did not win that fight.

Also doesn't help your case when the person who was literally watching the entire fight calls it a tie.
No, Erza says, “I Lost” that’s the concession. Laxus doesn’t say this. He responds to her claim of future victory.
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Oh so you can't see how the person who watched the entire thing called it a tie and Laxus passes out unwillingly?

That's a you problem.
Dude, where did Laxus pass out unwillingly?
 

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No, Erza says, “I Lost” that’s the concession. Laxus doesn’t say this. He responds to her claim of future victory.
And Laxus says, "that's my line" when she says I'll win next time. That's a concession from Laxus.

Dude, where did Laxus pass out unwillingly?
He couldn't stand. He didn't just sleep on his own.
 

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That’s true some like Laxus were still injured/exhausted from their fight
Well, dispelling White Magic only restored "Magic" and "Awoke up" them. This is what Touka had under her control. The wounds due to the fights can't be restore so yes, injured people like Laxus for exemple, stayed wrecked until being physically healed.
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I think there are some misunderstanding about Aldoron's Arc.

Touka (Faris) took control on Mercphobia to "White" every Dragon Gods. After his defeat and seal, Touka decided to take control on Fairy Tail as replacement to Mercphobia's Magic level. She was manipulate by Selene in order to destroy the Orbs and let free Aldoron's wrath on Earth, while Faris thought destroying the Orbs meant sealing him White.


Touka (Faris) sent her puppets to "execute" Natsu's team and destroy the Five Orbs.


As explain by Jellal and Lisanna, the army had two solutions to deal with the doctrine's ennemies :
- Kill them.
- White them.


As Jellal was in Ichiya's mood (lol), he didn't want to kill Erza but take her for himself. He wanted to White her to be together. Same as Lisanna with Lucy.

As the other people didn't explain choices, they engaged in order to kill the opponents. Gajeel's statement "I'll kill you, Salamander" and Laxus's statement "For how long will you hold back, this is not a querell between friends anymore" as he was bleeding and wanted more, a death battle. Same for Mirajane and Elfman playing as sadists with Lucy, like cat with a mouse.

When the Five Orbs were destroyed, Touka thought that she could "White" him while the dragon should be powerless. But the "Overpower" sealed inside the Orbs (first lock) were unleashed and revealed Aldoron's Wrath who began to nourrish again.


We know later that the Orbs were originally created by Aldoron in order to suppress his growing. After being injured by Acnologia, he rested and nourrished until growing without limits. He began unstable as he couldn't stop and began to be overpowered. The five orbs are lock to countain the process and sealed Five Guardians inside embodiement of his "overpower" he can't contain anymore. 2 Locks to countain it.


As his powers are growing, the White Magic sent back and Touka lost control on her puppets. They woke up and were restored in Magic like if they never passed under control. People woke up with blank (didn't remember what happen and where they are) and could help Natsu's team to face the Guardians.


Fighting the ultime lock, Fairy Tail combined their powers to face them. After Doom's defeat, the lock began less durable : her Powers returned inside Aldoron's body and the other Seeds began weaker.



When Natsu fought the ultimate seed, embodiement of Aldoron's brain, the seed was extremely weakened and Aldoron's real body turned unstable to this overflow without nothing to contain it. When Natsu destroyed the final one, all the locks were destroy and all the overpower flew inside Aldoron's body who couldn't contain it anymore and explode as chains's reactions in process.


I hope Aldoron's Arc is clear now. Natsu never destroyed Aldoron with 1 million FDK power in his ougi, the Dragon God explodes in chain reaction when all the locks were broken : Orbs + Seeds and Laxus, like the others, didn't wake up by himself but was restore in Process (not because he was far superior than Erza).
 
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You have only put Laxus's Disadvantage, but you haven't put Erza's Disadvantage.

Disadvantage...

Laxus's Disadvantage - He lost some magic in his previous match.

Erza's Disadvantage - She was fighting with a friend and she couldn't deal fatal blows to her friend.
Erza received many unfair blows because of this.

At Laxus's Disadvantage- he could have stayed awake at the end of the fight.

At Erza's disadvantage - She could have won (or nearly so) in the fire and ice sword slash.

Now advantage...

Laxus Advantage - Laxus was fighting an enemy and he didn't hold back at all.

Erza's Advantage - Erza had a bit more magic than him.


Simplifying

For the fight to be fair, it should be
Both in the same condition.
that is to say.

Friend vs friend and with all its magic.
enemy vs enemy and with all its magic.


but in truth it was ...
Round 1
Friend (Erza holding back) vs enemy (Laxus without holding back but with a little less magic)
Erza received many blows and she was unable to deliver fatal blows to her friend.

Round 2
Friend (Erza without holding back) vs enemy (Laxus without holding back)
They both sold out.
If you re-read the fight, the one and only 'disadvantage' that Erza had came as a result of her making the decision to hold back initially because she underestimated how strong Laxus is. Laxus turned out to be far stronger than what she thought, so it proved to be an erroneous decision from Erza. As far as it goes, that was poor judgement from Erza as opposed to an unfair disadvantage that was imposed against her will. You are framing it to look like as though Erza suffered from a handicap that did not allow her to go all out, when the truth is she chose to hold back on her own accord. Never did Laxus depended on an external factor, or relied on a form of deception or trickery to gain an upperhand on Erza in their fight.

Look. There is a good reason why most readers think Laxus is more powerful after reading the fight. Laxus was visibly dominating Erza for a lengthy portion of their fight, to an extent that Erza herself never managed to achieve. In one particularly impressive exchange, Laxus evaded Erza's attack who charged at him with her spear before destroying her lightning empress armour with one hit.

In another, after Erza busted out the Dragon Slayer Seal: True Benizakura, Laxus closed the distance to her in an instant and delivered a punch to her abdomen that sent her flying in the air before hitting the deck.

Then another, Laxus no sold Erza's kick to his face before sending her crashing to the ground and kicking her away.


Those were three instances where Laxus clearly outclassed her, before Erza could inflict even her first attack on Laxus.

Then another exchange where Laxus smashed her down again and destroyed the ground they were standing on.

Read this page at the end of chapter 44 and ask yourself who seems to be having fun with a grin on his face, while who looked to be in difficulty.

It was only until Erza busted out her second power-up with another Enchantment from Wendy, Natsu and Gray did she managed to clash with Laxus on an equal footing. Erza had a double page spreader where she attacked Laxus with her newly acquired powers, yet Laxus remained standing and grinned before quickly counterattacking.




Mashima has a renowned track record of dedicating a double-page spreader to a character's finishing move. Case in point, when Laxus defeated Kyria and Jura with his Metsuryū Ōgi: Narumikazuchi/Secret Art: Roaring Thunder.

On other hand, Laxus did not utilise any of his most devastating spells against Erza. He did not use Roaring Thunder that he defeated Jura and Kyria with. Neither did he use any Secret Art. He did not use the Raikō: Akamikazuchi/Megaton: Red Lightning, the attack that he used to wreck and killed Wall with.

Those are two of his most devastating attacks that he did not utilise in his fight with Erza. He used simply a lightning dragon's roar and a heavenward halberd; two regular moves in his arsenal. Then entered red lightning dragon mode to increase his attributes. Erza busted out the Dragon Slayer Seal: True Benizakura, and the Enchanted twin swords. Even if we were to ignore the portion where Laxus was beating Erza up when she was holding back, Laxus' performance was nonetheless more convincing. Erza's power-up felt forced and contrived. If you read the chapter discussion thread when she suddenly introduced the Enchanted twin swords back then, there were numerous posters claiming BS. There remains a huge question mark if Erza's Enchanted twin blades is freely usable. Can Erza use the DS Seal and those swords with Natsu and Gray's powers single-handedly going forward? Or does she require assistance from Wendy, Natsu and Gray again to re-enchant those swords. If it's the latter, then it is only fair to say that she needs a power-up from external sources that are not within her direct influence to be able to fight on par with Laxus.

Furthermore, Laxus did not once fell throughout the entire fight with Erza. But we saw Erza being sent to eat dirt by Laxus on several occasions. Even the double page spreader with the Enchanted twin swords only made him stagger briefly. That was the most Erza could managed to move Laxus. Towards the end of the fight, Erza fell this time to her knees and prostrate herself in front of Laxus in a submissively prone position :lmao We could see that she had zero energy left, and was supporting her weight with her arms. During all this time, Laxus was still standing upright whilst engaging in conversation. Truth to be told, had Laxus not fought Kyria beforehand and wasted a chunk of his magic power utilising a DS Secret Art to defeat an opponent whom Erza herself claimed to be formidable, or if he was bloodlusted, it is fully within his capability to go for the decisive blow on an Erza who was completely powerless there and then. However Erza is still one of the main protagonists and Mashima is obviously not going to humiliate her to such an extent. And fact of the matter of is, when Erza was completely out, Laxus was still standing.





Hence, we conclude the following.
  • If Erza holds back, she will evidently get dominated and beaten up by Laxus
  • Erza needs to go all out to fight on equal footing with Laxus
  • Erza needs the DS Seal and Enchanted twin swords to inflict any damage on Laxus
  • It remains dubious if Erza could use those powers freely
  • Laxus has mastered his red lightning dragon mode and can enter the mode freely without assistance
  • Laxus did not use his most powerful spells in his fight with Erza
  • Laxus had already used a Secret Art to defeat Kyria beforehand, an opponent whom Erza herself claimed to be formidable
  • The moment when Erza fell unconscious, Laxus was still standing on his own two feet
The thing that bothers me the most though, is some posters selectively picking what some of the characters said and taking it as gospel to suit their narrative. Despite being proven time and again, that statements made by characters can often be incorrect. On top of that, it was a line by the very character who was directly involved in the fight himself who has shown exactly why his thinking is not correct and hence his statement is not reliable. Let me ask you this. What do you think about the fact that Laxus said he does not possess any strength and proclaimed himself to be a weakling?

The man is humble and extremely modest. As much as I like him, Laxus' words have been proven to be unreliable. Over the course of the series, there are many other examples of statements being debunked due to wrongful thinking on said characters' part. Hence we should take statements with a pinch of salt. Actions speak louder than words. Given the evidence from the visual depiction of the panels drawn, how the fight actually took place and went down as it progressed, a simple eye test by any reader without an agenda or bias would point to Laxus having the better display of the two.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Laxus was dominated by Erza for a lengthy portion or he required Enchantments from his team mates to fight on equal footing with Erza, we can bet our house that the Erza supporters would be claiming how those factors show Erza is superior to Laxus. Or better still. If Laxus knelt to Erza and fell unconscious while she was still standing, the Erza supporters would proclaim "There we go! There we have it! I always knew Erza was more powerful of the two!" Don't pretend you wouldn't. We are not fools.

I don't care about what Laxus said, neither do I care about what Erza said about how she will win next time, implying that she lost this time. I don't need to use what they say as evidence to prove my point. I have, and always will, go by feats and illustrations. Erza, with all due respect, is very strong. She is on the same tier as Laxus, However, Laxus have the edge.

And then there is the "Laxus woke up earlier" and "he had magic to fight" ... and that is very well explained about the restoration of Touka's magic towards the others characters.

He woke up not by himself, neither Mirajane, Elfman and some. They were restored, like Jubia was in magic. Or it is really miraculous they woke up all at the same time, when Mira, Elfman and Laxus were clearly out just before.

Even Mirajane was in a Ko state and injured and exhausted alongside Elfman, but right into the next chapter she was brand new and she casting powerful magics.
I am glad you brought that up :super

If you are insinuating that the characters regain their magic power when they broke free from Faris' (it's Faris, not Touka btw) Whiteout, it would naturally mean their magic power were being held back while they were under the effects of Whiteout. To how much extent was their magic power being restricted by the effects of the spell, is something that would be interesting to explore. So if Laxus had fought with full access to his magic power, he would have fared even better in his fight with Erza. Regardless, waking up earlier does not mean that the wounds and injuries he sustained in his fight with Erza miraculously healed by themselves. It has been pointed out before that stamina/MP and physical endurance though connected, are still two separate things.
You could a valid point if you claim that Laxus woke up earlier than Erza due to him regaining his lost magic power/stamina after Faris freed him from Whiteout. This however, does not explain how Laxus managed to move around despite those wounds. When Laxus encountered Jellal, the latter made it a point to remark about Laxus' injuries.

Yet not only could he move, he could fight while carrying Erza on his as well. In contrast, Erza struggled to stand after she regain consciousness. She dropped to her knees when she tried to stand, was visibly hurt and shivering.

Laxus could move around and fight despite the wounds he sustained against Erza. Erza could not stand from the wounds he sustained against Laxus. Hence, Laxus has better endurance than Erza.
 

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For me the result and the battle are quite clear.

the evidences are put in the manga.

Each person can understand the manga however they want.
 

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If you re-read the fight, the one and only 'disadvantage' that Erza had came as a result of her making the decision to hold back initially because she underestimated how strong Laxus is. Laxus turned out to be far stronger than what she thought, so it proved to be an erroneous decision from Erza. As far as it goes, that was poor judgement from Erza as opposed to an unfair disadvantage that was imposed against her will. You are framing it to look like as though Erza suffered from a handicap that did not allow her to go all out, when the truth is she chose to hold back on her own accord. Never did Laxus depended on an external factor, or relied on a form of deception or trickery to gain an upperhand on Erza in their fight.

Look. There is a good reason why most readers think Laxus is more powerful after reading the fight. Laxus was visibly dominating Erza for a lengthy portion of their fight, to an extent that Erza herself never managed to achieve. In one particularly impressive exchange, Laxus evaded Erza's attack who charged at him with her spear before destroying her lightning empress armour with one hit.

In another, after Erza busted out the Dragon Slayer Seal: True Benizakura, Laxus closed the distance to her in an instant and delivered a punch to her abdomen that sent her flying in the air before hitting the deck.

Then another, Laxus no sold Erza's kick to his face before sending her crashing to the ground and kicking her away.


Those were three instances where Laxus clearly outclassed her, before Erza could inflict even her first attack on Laxus.

Then another exchange where Laxus smashed her down again and destroyed the ground they were standing on.

Read this page at the end of chapter 44 and ask yourself who seems to be having fun with a grin on his face, while who looked to be in difficulty.

It was only until Erza busted out her second power-up with another Enchantment from Wendy, Natsu and Gray did she managed to clash with Laxus on an equal footing. Erza had a double page spreader where she attacked Laxus with her newly acquired powers, yet Laxus remained standing and grinned before quickly counterattacking.




Mashima has a renowned track record of dedicating a double-page spreader to a character's finishing move. Case in point, when Laxus defeated Kyria and Jura with his Metsuryū Ōgi: Narumikazuchi/Secret Art: Roaring Thunder.

On other hand, Laxus did not utilise any of his most devastating spells against Erza. He did not use Roaring Thunder that he defeated Jura and Kyria with. Neither did he use any Secret Art. He did not use the Raikō: Akamikazuchi/Megaton: Red Lightning, the attack that he used to wreck and killed Wall with.

Those are two of his most devastating attacks that he did not utilise in his fight with Erza. He used simply a lightning dragon's roar and a heavenward halberd; two regular moves in his arsenal. Then entered red lightning dragon mode to increase his attributes. Erza busted out the Dragon Slayer Seal: True Benizakura, and the Enchanted twin swords. Even if we were to ignore the portion where Laxus was beating Erza up when she was holding back, Laxus' performance was nonetheless more convincing. Erza's power-up felt forced and contrived. If you read the chapter discussion thread when she suddenly introduced the Enchanted twin swords back then, there were numerous posters claiming BS. There remains a huge question mark if Erza's Enchanted twin blades is freely usable. Can Erza use the DS Seal and those swords with Natsu and Gray's powers single-handedly going forward? Or does she require assistance from Wendy, Natsu and Gray again to re-enchant those swords. If it's the latter, then it is only fair to say that she needs a power-up from external sources that are not within her direct influence to be able to fight on par with Laxus.

Furthermore, Laxus did not once fell throughout the entire fight with Erza. But we saw Erza being sent to eat dirt by Laxus on several occasions. Even the double page spreader with the Enchanted twin swords only made him stagger briefly. That was the most Erza could managed to move Laxus. Towards the end of the fight, Erza fell this time to her knees and prostrate herself in front of Laxus in a submissively prone position :lmao We could see that she had zero energy left, and was supporting her weight with her arms. During all this time, Laxus was still standing upright whilst engaging in conversation. Truth to be told, had Laxus not fought Kyria beforehand and wasted a chunk of his magic power utilising a DS Secret Art to defeat an opponent whom Erza herself claimed to be formidable, or if he was bloodlusted, it is fully within his capability to go for the decisive blow on an Erza who was completely powerless there and then. However Erza is still one of the main protagonists and Mashima is obviously not going to humiliate her to such an extent. And fact of the matter of is, when Erza was completely out, Laxus was still standing.





Hence, we conclude the following.
  • If Erza holds back, she will evidently get dominated and beaten up by Laxus
  • Erza needs to go all out to fight on equal footing with Laxus
  • Erza needs the DS Seal and Enchanted twin swords to inflict any damage on Laxus
  • It remains dubious if Erza could use those powers freely
  • Laxus has mastered his red lightning dragon mode and can enter the mode freely without assistance
  • Laxus did not use his most powerful spells in his fight with Erza
  • Laxus had already used a Secret Art to defeat Kyria beforehand, an opponent whom Erza herself claimed to be formidable
  • The moment when Erza fell unconscious, Laxus was still standing on his own two feet
The thing that bothers me the most though, is some posters selectively picking what some of the characters said and taking it as gospel to suit their narrative. Despite being proven time and again, that statements made by characters can often be incorrect. On top of that, it was a line by the very character who was directly involved in the fight himself who has shown exactly why his thinking is not correct and hence his statement is not reliable. Let me ask you this. What do you think about the fact that Laxus said he does not possess any strength and proclaimed himself to be a weakling?

The man is humble and extremely modest. As much as I like him, Laxus' words have been proven to be unreliable. Over the course of the series, there are many other examples of statements being debunked due to wrongful thinking on said characters' part. Hence we should take statements with a pinch of salt. Actions speak louder than words. Given the evidence from the visual depiction of the panels drawn, how the fight actually took place and went down as it progressed, a simple eye test by any reader without an agenda or bias would point to Laxus having the better display of the two.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Laxus was dominated by Erza for a lengthy portion or he required Enchantments from his team mates to fight on equal footing with Erza, we can bet our house that the Erza supporters would be claiming how those factors show Erza is superior to Laxus. Or better still. If Laxus knelt to Erza and fell unconscious while she was still standing, the Erza supporters would proclaim "There we go! There we have it! I always knew Erza was more powerful of the two!" Don't pretend you wouldn't. We are not fools.

I don't care about what Laxus said, neither do I care about what Erza said about how she will win next time, implying that she lost this time. I don't need to use what they say as evidence to prove my point. I have, and always will, go by feats and illustrations. Erza, with all due respect, is very strong. She is on the same tier as Laxus, However, Laxus have the edge.



I am glad you brought that up :super

If you are insinuating that the characters regain their magic power when they broke free from Faris' (it's Faris, not Touka btw) Whiteout, it would naturally mean their magic power were being held back while they were under the effects of Whiteout. To how much extent was their magic power being restricted by the effects of the spell, is something that would be interesting to explore. So if Laxus had fought with full access to his magic power, he would have fared even better in his fight with Erza. Regardless, waking up earlier does not mean that the wounds and injuries he sustained in his fight with Erza miraculously healed by themselves. It has been pointed out before that stamina/MP and physical endurance though connected, are still two separate things.
You could a valid point if you claim that Laxus woke up earlier than Erza due to him regaining his lost magic power/stamina after Faris freed him from Whiteout. This however, does not explain how Laxus managed to move around despite those wounds. When Laxus encountered Jellal, the latter made it a point to remark about Laxus' injuries.

Yet not only could he move, he could fight while carrying Erza on his as well. In contrast, Erza struggled to stand after she regain consciousness. She dropped to her knees when she tried to stand, was visibly hurt and shivering.

Laxus could move around and fight despite the wounds he sustained against Erza. Erza could not stand from the wounds he sustained against Laxus. Hence, Laxus has better endurance than Erza.
You made good points in favor of Laxus. I give you my point as well.

When you think Erza underestimate Laxus, you are wrong. She is conscious he is a formidable foe, even without knowing his Red Lightning habilites.


You made good points on Laxus's prouesses so I will not put the scans as well, but they are here to show that Laxus improved since a year in Strength, Power and Durability. He is at an another level since Arbaless, to the point Erza didn't expect him to be that strong. No problem with that.

Yes, Erza did misjudgement on his stats because he is far above the Laxus she knew. You put only the scan based on Laxus's speed, but you didn't take account of Erza blitzing him as he couldn't even react :


Even with her ougi, she faced Laxus by some distance and again, he couldn't react :


The fact is that Erza is fighting a friend so, yes, she barely held back to not deal lethal blows.

You said that without enchants she can't damage Laxus ? Her slashes made him bleeding.
When she use more strength, she matched him in Strength and Magic with Blumenblatt. Blumenblatt are all her swords, not enchanted one.

You also said Laxus didn't use his Ougi ? Red Lightning's attacks are all stronger than his Kyria's finishing move. And she stroke Erza with it since the beginning at full might.

When you said Laxus didn't use Raiko, well, tell me what it is : Erza countered him without any assistance.


For the Dragon Seal, it's a learn spell, so yes, she can use it at will like Laxus can use Red Lightning. Not sure for Natsu and Grey's enchant swords, but you have to take account that she only used it one time to a finishing blow, with holding back. In the second part, they matched in every stats without her dual swords.


For the restoration, I don't think it's like you said, or her army couldn't fight. I think the eternano used by her puppets is seal inside Touka's body when used and can't be restored naturally. Laxus didn't have handicap based on his fight, neither Mirajane or Gajeel. Or show me the scans please. But you have to take account that yes, all the puppets were restored when she lost control. I can show you scans if you want....

I agree that Erza showed to be more injured at her wake up, but this was because she took far more damage in first part when she held back. When you put misjudgement, I say yes and no. Laxus's stats are far beyond the one she knew. She fought a friend who didn't want a KO battle. When he was hardly slashed by her ougi, he was bleeding but was aware that Erza didn't use her critical strength. Bleeding, he wanted more blood, not a querell and asked Erza to stop holding back. Erza can't have resolution to kill a friend.

Never mind the circumstances. The result in a tie : three statements. They are even.
 
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To say Erza couldn't hurt Laxus w/o DSeal which grants zero actual buffs is false. Laxus literally dodged Erza's strike while she was in lightning empress which means he knew she could damage him. Laxus fans really be in denial that Erza is equal to Laxus. 😂
 

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but thats the problem in anime tho the term "holding back" is a weird statement to use because most of the time the good guys doesnt have intention to kill the opponent. i mean do yall believe that laxus was trying to kill erza? I always also believe u can go all out with killing some1. 2. what i want to ask yall is would be a difference if laxus took 2 step and then collapse? i mean in anime we have seen this happen be4 where the mc or other certain characters collapse secs later after the opponent's fell first.
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To say Erza couldn't hurt Laxus w/o DSeal which grants zero actual buffs is false. Laxus literally dodged Erza's strike while she was in lightning empress which means he knew she could damage him. Laxus fans really be in denial that Erza is equal to Laxus. 😂
i mean acno dodge jellal does that he knew he would have gotten damage? :derp
 

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Then Erza must be a retard for even bothering to use it.
She used it for Dragon Slayer sword since all DSeal does is grant DS effect. She herself gets zero amps from using the ability.

but thats the problem in anime tho the term "holding back" is a weird statement to use because most of the time the good guys doesnt have intention to kill the opponent. i mean do yall believe that laxus was trying to kill erza? I always also believe u can go all out with killing some1. 2. what i want to ask yall is would be a difference if laxus took 2 step and then collapse? i mean in anime we have seen this happen be4 where the mc or other certain characters collapse secs later after the opponent's fell first.
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i mean acno dodge jellal does that he knew he would have gotten damage? :derp
Except Acno was jobbing while Laxus was not. Are you seriously trying to justify Laxus dodging attacks with Acno doing so? Seriously 😑
 

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She used it for Dragon Slayer sword since all DSeal does is grant DS effect. She herself gets zero amps from using the ability.


Except Acno was jobbing while Laxus was not. Are you seriously trying to justify Laxus dodging attacks with Acno doing so? Seriously 😑
i mean august dodging cana cards :3c
 

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She used it for Dragon Slayer sword since all DSeal does is grant DS effect. She herself gets zero amps from using the ability.
Why use it on Laxus who is not a dragon unless you are saying it gives Erza an advantage against dragon slayers. Otherwise, Erza must be out of her mind use it on Laxus if it doesn't provide her anything in the might.
 

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Why use it on Laxus who is not a dragon unless you are saying it gives Erza an advantage against dragon slayers. Otherwise, Erza must be out of her mind use it on Laxus if it doesn't provide her anything in the might.
Bcs a Dragon Slayer sword is stronger than a regular plain old sword. It's as simple as that.
 
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