He got back up, totally did. Then he canonically committed suicide because it was the only clear path to victory he could see after taking that hit. Set in stone.
She did survive. Though lets not downpay that slash knocked her out of her dragon form and back into human.
Neither have done shit to DG Humans or Acno. One group has several feats against opponents that level and has tanked all of it..
Could be that is something as a way to prove his loyalty to Zeref, we also saw something similar August was performing before Gildarts attacked which is just going to destroy his enemies and allies, as for the slash, it has both Wendy’s DS and Ireneks enchantment empowering Erza, and all the power of the Cherry Blossom sword is converted to offense. And yet a member of that group went down to Wendy who is still weaker than Irene.
Could be that is something as a way to prove his loyalty to Zeref, we also saw something similar August was performing before Gildarts attacked which is just going to destroy his enemies and allies, as for the slash, it has both Wendy’s DS and Ireneks enchantment empowering Erza, and all the power of the Cherry Blossom sword is converted to offense. And yet a member of that group went down to Wendy who is still weaker than Irene.
It wasn't though. It was clearly shown that it was the only sure path to victory. He did it to ensure a win. He was going to try and wipe the all out, because he thought he had the luxury, but Gildarts showed him he didn't. Otherwise he would have just returned to that trusted spell instead of using his own personal forbidden magic that he went through the trouble of learning all that other magic to avoid.
Yeah, Wendy gave her the DS element. (What enchantment from Irene?) An thats all she needed to knock Irene out of her dragon body. The gap wasn't so wide a year ago that they couldnt touch them. Our top dogs were already capable of giving them serious blows. They've had a year to improve past that.
A member of the group went down to the combined efforts of Wendy and Irene. Irene was already able to use Wendy's body to operate without a major loss back in Alvarez, and has been actively cultivating her strength the entire sequel. Them struggling with the weakest BDSK, while working in tandem, is not a braggin point in any way lol.
It wasn't though. It was clearly shown that it was the only sure path to victory. He did it to ensure a win. He was going to try and wipe the all out, because he thought he had the luxury, but Gildarts showed him he didn't. Otherwise he would have just returned to that trusted spell instead of using his own personal forbidden magic that he went through the trouble of learning all that other magic to avoid.
Yeah, Wendy gave her the DS element. (What enchantment from Irene?) An thats all she needed to knock Irene out of her dragon body. The gap wasn't so wide a year ago that they couldnt touch them. Our top dogs were already capable of giving them serious blows. They've had a year to improve past that.
A member of the group went down to the combined efforts of Wendy and Irene. Irene was already able to use Wendy's body to operate without a major loss back in Alvarez, and has been actively cultivating her strength the entire sequel. Them struggling with the weakest BDSK, while working in tandem, is not a braggin point in any way lol.
It was never stated to be the only sure way to victory considering that both Cana and Gildarts were down to their last breath when their best effort failed, you could push them over and that would be a victory lol. August is a devoted follower to Zeref and would prove it, especially when his own worth is in question, he could just as well used a fire pillar to secure the win Or any other spell. Well Gildarts had the element of surprise. When Wendy possessed Irene to support Erza against her own magic attack. Wendy could overpower even Erza back then with her potential released. Irene didn’t contribute any magic power, only knowledge as she said it was all Wendy’s power, weakest probably but not out of the same league as the other members as they are as strong as each other, only Kirin is likely strongest.
It was never stated to be the only sure way to victory considering that both Cana and Gildarts were down to their last breath when their best effort failed, you could push them over and that would be a victory lol. August is a devoted follower to Zeref and would prove it, especially when his own worth is in question, he could just as well used a fire pillar to secure the win Or any other spell. Well Gildarts had the element of surprise. When Wendy possessed Irene to support Erza against her own magic attack. Wendy could overpower even Erza back then with her potential released. Irene didn’t contribute any magic power, only knowledge as she said it was all Wendy’s power, weakest probably but not out of the same league as the other members as they are as strong as each other, only Kirin is likely strongest.
That entire first half is speculation. He also could use an earth spell to swallow the rabble, or a poison spell from Cobra to take all the wizards down, or a simple HBM Grand Chariot. He chose to do this.
Element of Suprise? Since when is annoucning you've figured out your opponents weakness before hitting them with a full on shounen named attack is a surprise where?
OK? Those enchantments were gone once they swapped back lol
She also said she had no magic..then explained bc of her magic she couldnt die. so ok.
Kirin is flat out stated strongest. He states it. Selene states it. Your inability to acknowledge this clearly stated fact in the manga because it doesn't fit your narrative...is why i started responding so slowly and infrequently. Also notice we're still writing text walls and hoping that the lil side comments added go unnoticed huh.
That entire first half is speculation. He also could use an earth spell to swallow the rabble, or a poison spell from Cobra to take all the wizards down, or a simple HBM Grand Chariot. He chose to do this.
Element of Suprise? Since when is annoucning you've figured out your opponents weakness before hitting them with a full on shounen named attack is a surprise where?
OK? Those enchantments were gone once they swapped back lol
She also said she had no magic..then explained bc of her magic she couldnt die. so ok.
Kirin is flat out stated strongest. He states it. Selene states it. Your inability to acknowledge this clearly stated fact in the manga because it doesn't fit your narrative...is why i started responding so slowly and infrequently. Also notice we're still writing text walls and hoping that the lil side comments added go unnoticed huh.
Right because he was trying to validate his existence, one of those persona crisis moments, to prove himself to his father. I was referring when they first made contact. No, nothing indicated that the enchantments were gone simply by switching back, we don’t see Irene removing them from Erza. She simply said that her small amount of magic was used up there and needed another host. I never said he wasn’t simply that he was the strongest out of the group of individuals relative to Suzaku’s strength. What are you even talking about at that last point?
We have no evidence that Current Gildarts is equal to or above August. Georg is literally the reason why all this Diabolos fodder exists. He's literally the reason why your favorite character got a power up. If anything it's Georg who deserves to be at the August/Irene level because with all his exploits he can solo the whole Diabolos guild. BDSKs cannot be DS Acno tier when they are One Shot Material for Dragon Selene.
Suzaku's feats completely shit on Eileen.
- Suzaku one shotted a much stronger Erza than what Eileen faced and couldn't put down.
- Suzaku one shotted base Natsu. And Natsu in round 2, by his own admission, is still one shot material to him if not for his scales/DF durability.
- Suzaku took down human Selene, tanked attacks from dragon Dogramag
Prime Kirin's feats, while not as good as Suzaku's, still is pretty damn impressive.
- He has atmosphere magic, which can act as a kind of barrier against magic attacks
- he dominated RL Laxus (it was a mid diff), before Laxus ate his DK power/soul from the coffin (and in process nerfed Kirin) to beat him. x793 RL Laxus >> x792 Laxus > x792 Erza
It is only Misaki and Haku that muddies the water. Because they, like vast majority of hax users in the series, are terrible fighters with shit combat stats.
August is a very special case.
If he uses all magic that he theoretically should know, then it comes down to whether he gets blitzed or not. I can however guarantee you that if he fights like he did against Gildarts, i.e engage in MMA fight for the most part, then he is getting dogwalked by Suzaku or Kirin.
Suzaku's feats completely shit on Eileen.
- Suzaku one shotted a much stronger Erza than what Eileen faced and couldn't put down.
- Suzaku one shotted base Natsu. And Natsu in round 2, by his own admission, is still one shot material to him if not for his scales/DF durability.
- Suzaku took down human Selene, tanked attacks from dragon Dogramag
Prime Kirin's feats, while not as good as Suzaku's, still is pretty damn impressive.
- He has atmosphere magic, which can act as a kind of barrier against magic attacks
- he dominated RL Laxus (it was a mid diff), before Laxus ate his DK power/soul from the coffin (and in process nerfed Kirin) to beat him. x793 RL Laxus >> x792 Laxus > x792 Erza
It is only Misaki and Haku that muddies the water. Because they, like vast majority of hax users in the series, are terrible fighters with shit combat stats.
August is a very special case.
If he uses all magic that he theoretically should know, then it comes down to whether he gets blitzed or not. I can however guarantee you that if he fights like he did against Gildarts, i.e engage in MMA fight for the most part, then he is getting dogwalked by Suzaku or Kirin.
Acno went all out against Irene in human form which is known because he talks to her via responding to her words thus not seeing her as an insect. Erza’s fire pants removes any dura from her. Erza back then was powered by Irene’s enchantment too. Natsu did not have any scales on him, he just didn’t use magic for offense. Supposedly defeated Human Selene considering he can’t even destroy Dog dude’s walls and was downed by a weakened version of him, that would put into perspective the power Human form Selene had over him, he even went down to Dog’s attacks in human form.
Acno went all out against Irene in human form which is known because he talks to her via responding to her words thus not seeing her as an insect. Erza’s fire pants removes any dura from her. Erza back then was powered by Irene’s enchantment too. Natsu did not have any scales on him, he just didn’t use magic for offense. Supposedly defeated Human Selene considering he can’t even destroy Dog dude’s walls and was downed by a weakened version of him, that would put into perspective the power Human form Selene had over him, he even went down to Dog’s attacks in human form.
"Dragon Acno went all out against Jellal because he talked to him. He also sent all out against Wendy before since he talked to her too, and Jellal's barrier broke all out Acno's blast"
That's basically the argument here lol
"Dragon Acno went all out against Jellal because he talked to him. He also sent all out against Wendy before since he talked to her too, and Jellal's barrier broke all out Acno's blast"
That's basically the argument here lol
Correction, he didn’t respond to Jellal’s words, it was onesided, with Wendy it’s kind of weird, he considers her a dragon which makes her like any other dragon, he considers an enemy to destroy.
OK. Can you prove to me difinitively that August is stronger than the BDSKs. Cause as it stands, they have better feats than anything he or Irene accomplished, and she was still around...
None of the BDSK have better feats than August. Suzaku could have, but his feats against Dogra showed that he is just like the other BDSK, far from the level of human Acno.
August destroyed Gildarts (who is the benchmark of the BDSK level) and had enough magic power to destroy an entire country. Bro could have literally taken out everyone with Organ bust and ended the war alone.
Mashima stated that Eileen will not be powercreep'd. August is still the strongest human in the verse (excluding DF Natsu)
August and Irene are stronger than the BDSK.
The strongest of them were compared to Gildarts who got destroyed by August. And yes Acnologia wasn't serious against Irene however Irene wasn't serious either.
He can't "one shot" her if he couldn't do so canonically.
I also don't see the BDSK affecting an entire country like they did. Irene was hyped up by 2 DG tiers. Let's also be real as if they're fights wasn't filled with so much plot armor.
Wendy who defeated a BDSK( tho I think Haku could beat her if he didn't have feelings for Wendy) she did however had enough power to knock him out. Is 100x weaker than Irene.
Unless Gildarts/Laxus/Erza have surpassed August and Irene the BDSK are weaker than them.
None of the BDSK have better feats than August. Suzaku could have, but his feats against Dogra showed that he is just like the other BDSK, far from the level of human Acno.
August destroyed Gildarts (who is the benchmark of the BDSK level) and had enough magic power to destroy an entire country. Bro could have literally taken out everyone with Organ bust and ended the war alone.
Mashima stated that Eileen will not be powercreep'd. August is still the strongest human in the verse (excluding DF Natsu)
@WoWfan stop the wank now. I know Irene is your waifu but Acno wasn't serious against her you got debunked 100 times about it. Acno acknowledging Irene's strength means nothing. Laxus said that Lucy is strong but she is still fodder for him even in his Base. Saying that your opponent is "strong" no longer means anything.
When did I say that? I am simply putting in what went on in the manga for context, I don’t recall there were any evidence to suggest otherwise after making counterpoints. Laxus and Lucy don’t even compare since his personality doesn’t dictate he goes all out by talking to others which means he view as strong, also since Laxus sees himself as weak, he usually humbles himself for his friends.
None of the BDSK have better feats than August. Suzaku could have, but his feats against Dogra showed that he is just like the other BDSK, far from the level of human Acno.
August destroyed Gildarts (who is the benchmark of the BDSK level) and had enough magic power to destroy an entire country. Bro could have literally taken out everyone with Organ bust and ended the war alone.
Mashima stated that Eileen will not be powercreep'd. August is still the strongest human in the verse (excluding DF Natsu)
August was scared of Acno. Irene did nothing against him of note. She had to rearrange the continent to escape him.
Suzaku took every attack Selene threw at him and won, "she coulda become a dragon", but she didn't and her human form lost. Which she admits. He tanked that massive attack from Ignia. He tanked all those attacks from Dogramag. Him not being able to harm the best defended DG doesn't somehow erase those other feats. He's a DG/Human Acno character who's stats skew towards defense.
So, since Suzaku's feats are better than anything he's shown, the argument about a year ago doesn't hold weight. Just like his continental lvl spells are no longer as impressive.
Mashima also said that Gildarts as he is now is too powerful for the story as it is right now. SO we know for a fact he's surpassed Irene.
Mashima said she's still one of the strongest. OK. Top 20 is still in the strongest. She needed Wendy to beat Haku. Now if he says she's the strongest female human in the series, get at me.
August and Irene are stronger than the BDSK.
The strongest of them were compared to Gildarts who got destroyed by August. And yes Acnologia wasn't serious against Irene however Irene wasn't serious either.
He can't "one shot" her if he couldn't do so canonically.
I also don't see the BDSK affecting an entire country like they did. Irene was hyped up by 2 DG tiers. Let's also be real as if they're fights wasn't filled with so much plot armor.
Wendy who defeated a BDSK( tho I think Haku could beat her if he didn't have feelings for Wendy) she did however had enough power to knock him out. Is 100x weaker than Irene.
Unless Gildarts/Laxus/Erza have surpassed August and Irene the BDSK are weaker than them.
See above, as i've already torn that shoddy August was winning 3 arcs ago, argument to shreds in here.
She wasn't? Prove this please.
The BDSK have been hyped all series.
Haku, for like the umpteenth time, effortlessly dealt with Irene. Without Wendy and Pantherlily she would be a doll. An she wouldn't have won.
OK, show me a better feat than Suzaku's track record agaisnt DG from either Irene and August. Cause my response is a strong yea. yeah they have. I'd take Laxus, Gildarts, or Erza over Irene in a 1v1 as they are right now. An her only hope is intelligence.
August was scared of Acno. Irene did nothing against him of note. She had to rearrange the continent to escape him.
Suzaku took every attack Selene threw at him and won, "she coulda become a dragon", but she didn't and her human form lost. Which she admits. He tanked that massive attack from Ignia. He tanked all those attacks from Dogramag. Him not being able to harm the best defended DG doesn't somehow erase those other feats. He's a DG/Human Acno character who's stats skew towards defense.
So, since Suzaku's feats are better than anything he's shown, the argument about a year ago doesn't hold weight. Just like his continental lvl spells are no longer as impressive.
Mashima also said that Gildarts as he is now is too powerful for the story as it is right now. SO we know for a fact he's surpassed Irene.
Mashima said she's still one of the strongest. OK. Top 20 is still in the strongest. She needed Wendy to beat Haku. Now if he says she's the strongest female human in the series, get at me.
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See above, as i've already torn that shoddy August was winning 3 arcs ago, argument to shreds in here.
She wasn't? Prove this please.
The BDSK have been hyped all series.
Haku, for like the umpteenth time, effortlessly dealt with Irene. Without Wendy and Pantherlily she would be a doll. An she wouldn't have won.
OK, show me a better feat than Suzaku's track record agaisnt DG from either Irene and August. Cause my response is a strong yea. yeah they havI'd take Laxus, Gildarts, or Erza over Irene in a 1v1 as they are right now. An her only hope is intelligence.
August was scared of Acno. Irene did nothing against him of note. She had to rearrange the continent to escape him.
Suzaku took every attack Selene threw at him and won, "she coulda become a dragon", but she didn't and her human form lost. Which she admits. He tanked that massive attack from Ignia. He tanked all those attacks from Dogramag. Him not being able to harm the best defended DG doesn't somehow erase those other feats. He's a DG/Human Acno character who's stats skew towards defense.
So, since Suzaku's feats are better than anything he's shown, the argument about a year ago doesn't hold weight. Just like his continental lvl spells are no longer as impressive.
Mashima also said that Gildarts as he is now is too powerful for the story as it is right now. SO we know for a fact he's surpassed Irene.
Mashima said she's still one of the strongest. OK. Top 20 is still in the strongest. She needed Wendy to beat Haku. Now if he says she's the strongest female human in the series, get at me.
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See above, as i've already torn that shoddy August was winning 3 arcs ago, argument to shreds in here.
She wasn't? Prove this please.
The BDSK have been hyped all series.
Haku, for like the umpteenth time, effortlessly dealt with Irene. Without Wendy and Pantherlily she would be a doll. An she wouldn't have won.
OK, show me a better feat than Suzaku's track record agaisnt DG from either Irene and August. Cause my response is a strong yea. yeah they have. I'd take Laxus, Gildarts, or Erza over Irene in a 1v1 as they are right now. An her only hope is intelligence.
August was scared and Irene wasn't. Irene didn't do shit, but it's not like acnologia did anything either. It was simple exchange no one using close to their full power. So Irene using 2 simple basic enchantments is her going all out.
If everyone didn't seem to forget, he didn't approach her, she approached him. She wasn'tthe slightest scared or fazefrom his power. She challenged him, and it was stated by Brandish Irene main reason for using Universe 1 is to get Zeref to fairy heart faster, she wanted Acnologia out of the way.
Irene was praised by 2 DGs with only using basic spells and being in a severely weakened state, while Suzkau went all out to be praised.
Yeah, Haku effortlessly dealt with Irene, we can tell by the way she overpowered him using his own plushies. Irene and Wendy have their own separate magic powers Irene just chosed use Wendy's instead of her own. Irene doesn't need Wendy, she just needed a vessel. Irene while being FAR from her true power has so much magic power compared to Wendy it could have killed her. If Irene wanted to she could have no diff Haku but she wanted to teach Wendy.
If Gildarts was too strong to the story, why have several people been compared to him. If that were true he would be stronger than the Dragon Gods.
I also don't see the BDSK being too strong to be unaffected by death.
Tho However I do see Gildarts Laxus and Erza being Human Dragon God tier. They proven strong enough to be on that level.
I'm curious as to why people hype up Acnologia's human form so much. It has only has one feat of oneshotting God Serena who is way weaker than Irene's human form let alone Dragon form. But someone of y'all believe his dragon form and human form are on the same level.
The Dragon Gods/ Acnologia human form are probably only like 15% or less of their true power so I can the high tiers being put on that level.
When I see stupidity, I just have to interject. Are you blind? Can you not read properly?
Like bro WTF is wrong with you are you not reading the right manga. The amount of disastrous takes you've spewed on here is crazy. First Lucy is as strong as red lightning laxus and fire dragon king natsu, second natsu can't one shot Erza the way he one shot laxus, third Irene is stronger than acnologia, fourth Irene has magic power on the level of dragon gods, Irene can't be affected by death, now you say laxus Erza gildarts are human Dg tier. You think they can beat human ignia? Like seriously WTF?
Who the fuck cares if she's getting hyped up by by Dg. Like nobody. Natsu got hyped by acnologia as king of dragons and aldoron hyped him as a world ender, but for some reason you think Erza and laxus are stronger than DF natsu. @Ronin31 lol keep on liking the post that wank Eileen and Erza. I'm sure you also consider Eileen stronger than acnologia it's nothing new from Erza fanboys
None of the BDSK have better feats than August. Suzaku could have, but his feats against Dogra showed that he is just like the other BDSK, far from the level of human Acno.
August destroyed Gildarts (who is the benchmark of the BDSK level) and had enough magic power to destroy an entire country. Bro could have literally taken out everyone with Organ bust and ended the war alone.
Mashima stated that Eileen will not be powercreep'd. August is still the strongest human in the verse (excluding DF Natsu)
How does suzaku not being able to damage dog mean he's fodder to Eileen/august? Dog is a dragon god and august and Eileen are not. So why are using that feat? I mean even if I believe that august and Eileen are stronger than suzaku, how does he's feat of not being able to damage a dragon god equates to not being stronger than both of them?
@Ronin31 lol keep on liking the post that wank Eileen and Erza. I'm sure you also consider Eileen stronger than acnologia it's nothing new from Erza fanboys
When I see stupidity, I just have to interject. Are you blind? Can you not read properly?
Like bro WTF is wrong with you are you not reading the right manga. The amount of disastrous takes you've spewed on here is crazy. First Lucy is as strong as red lightning laxus and fire dragon king natsu, second natsu can't one shot Erza the way he one shot laxus, third Irene is stronger than acnologia, fourth Irene has magic power on the level of dragon gods, Irene can't be affected by death, now you say laxus Erza gildarts are human Dg tier. You think they can beat human ignia? Like seriously WTF?
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Who the fuck cares if she's getting hyped up by by Dg. Like nobody. Natsu got hyped by acnologia as king of dragons and aldoron hyped him as a world ender, but for some reason you think Erza and laxus are stronger than DF natsu. @Ronin31 lol keep on liking the post that wank Eileen and Erza. I'm sure you also consider Eileen stronger than acnologia it's nothing new from Erza fanboys
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How does suzaku not being able to damage dog mean he's fodder to Eileen/august? Dog is a dragon god and august and Eileen are not. So why are using that feat? I mean even if I believe that august and Eileen are stronger than suzaku, how does he's feat of not being able to damage a dragon god equates to not being stronger than both of them?
I believe they're are only human dragon tier when using their strongest attacks. Natsu and Suzkau we're already weakened, and they tanked that attack. And Misaki is completely unaffected by his heat. Like with Selene, Suzaku was getting dominated untils he used his strongest attack. Suzkau was already weakened from his fight with Natsu. Tho Dog was nerfed 72 times, Natsu nor Suzkau actually used any of their strongest spells.
Lucy's Gottfried spell did significantly more damage to an opponent that Laxus used his secret arc on. That's obviously not his strongest spell, but it should be his strongest in base. I never said Lucy is stronger than Fire Dragon King Natsu, I said her Gottfried spells seems to have more raw power than one of Natsu's Fire dragon king spells based off on encounters of opponents on the same level.
I never said Irene is stronger than Acnologia, I said her dragon form is stronger than his human form. Because you act like Acnologia human and dragon form can one shot Irene.
I said she may have power close to dragon gods because she literally one if not the strongest person outside of the Dragon Gods/ Acnologia. Irene can't be affected by death because the manga said so. She literally said it herself she needed to be sent to another world without magic because of her strength.
Just because you don't care, doesn't mean nobody does. Acnologia only called Natsu the king of dragons when he was finna die. But he still needed an entire continent of magic power and several dragon slayers to bear Acnologia. Natsu right now is weaker than Laxus and Erza. Dog is mostly talking about in the future. They're stronger than because it's a fact said by the author himself, and they have feats to back it up. Laxus and Erza defeated the stronger BDSK while Natsu was getting overpowered by a weaker one. Natsu used a fire dragon king spell to take down Madmole while it look low effort from Base Laxus to low diff them combined. Natsu only becomes stronger than them when he has temporary power ups, or emotional.
Your nothing but a troll. You get completely pissed off and cussed them out, or act like they're stupid when someone disagrees with you. Everyone goes back forth about different topics all the time but your the one who always to be fucking rude about it.
