Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[MyaHeart35]

He doesn't admit a loss though. He replies that's my line to his little sister character swearing she'll beat him next time. I really don't get the attempt to use that line to undo the entire speech she gives, but yall don't get why I'm not taking you seriously. I've been a big brother 30+ years, and every time my siblings say they're gunna beat me, I promise them they won't. How did this go over your head?

He does tho. When Erza said she'll win next time, Laxus replies with that's my line. He himself also considers it a loss. Mashima drew a DOUBLE KO, and Kiria stated the both beat out each other. The fight is a stalemate no matter how much people try to deny it.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

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[Sevently]

Suzaku is stronger than Misaki, but we need to stop with this fantasy that Suzaku is way above the other BDSK's.
Mashima has been clear that they are on the same level, just like Erza and Laxus are.

 

[LaGOAT]

Imo laxus is slightly stronger than erza. Erza falling first is enough proof to me

 

[Garmadooon]

I don't care who is stronger between Erza or Laxus at this point there is no point in debating it but I have to admit something unpopular : I find this fight very overrated by the fans.

People act like it's the only good fight in this sequel when it's not true at all there were other good fights and better than this one like Lucy vs Kyria or Natsu vs Suzaku but people don't read the manga well.

This fight also highlighted Erza's enchantments which ruined her character imo I know she didn't steal Natsu and Gray's magic power but the fact that she enchants their magic in her swords steals their identity especially in Gray's case because the Ice Devil Slayer magic was unique but since Erza can use its properties it ruins the uniqueness that Gray had. Same for Jellal, she didn't enchant his MP but she enchants his properties and his identity whereas before, the magic of heavenly body was unique to him, and I don't like that Erza fans use that to downplaying Jellal and say that he is canon fodder.

People also act like Laxus and Erza are the only monsters in the guild and have the best durability in Fairy Tail when Natsu has far surpassed them at this point even without Dragon Force since Alvarez he is the true protector of the guild, and I don't know why Erza fans are so complexed about that, being on par with Laxus is a very good point for her, it's not because Natsu is stronger than her that we think she is weak when she is very well placed with her feats unlike people like Mira or Gray who are overhyped by Hiro saying they are strong but who have trash feats compared to the best dogs in the guild.

 

[GL_Nova]

There is no evidence that Suzaku and Misaki ever fought, tf is this argument.
Misaki being the strongest girl means she is stronger than any other GIRL, not Suzaku

So your counter argument is Suzaku is the only guild member who hasn't worked with or competed against his fellows. Suzaku only ever claims peers. Kirin blatantly states he's the strongest. Selene names two contenders for strongest, and Misaki brags about facing Kirin. Suzaku doesn't even warrant a mention. She then doubles down that she's only even met two women stronger than her, and one is a dragon. We're blatantly told the big dog of their guild. Barring being told something different in the future, all the dope feats that you guys keep referencing, boost the unit. Same thing in the guild. Erza gets more screen time, but we keep being told that Laxus is big bro, and when he shows up we see it. Gildarts hasn't gone over 5 fights in the series but we know what we've been told and when he shows up next we expect him to still be the big dog. Laxus is a monster, but we are blatantly told how him vs Gildarts will go if they throw down. I'd still pay to see it because I wanna see how far Laxus pushes him, and it should be amazing. Story is the story

 

[MyaHeart35]

I don't care who is stronger between Erza or Laxus at this point there is no point in debating it but I have to admit something unpopular : I find this fight very overrated by the fans.

People act like it's the only good fight in this sequel when it's not true at all there were other good fights and better than this one like Lucy vs Kyria or Natsu vs Suzaku but people don't read the manga well.

This fight also highlighted Erza's enchantments which ruined her character imo I know she didn't steal Natsu and Gray's magic power but the fact that she enchants their magic in her swords steals their identity especially in Gray's case because the Ice Devil Slayer magic was unique but since Erza can use its properties it ruins the uniqueness that Gray had. Same for Jellal, she didn't enchant his MP but she enchants his properties and his identity whereas before, the magic of heavenly body was unique to him, and I don't like that Erza fans use that to downplaying Jellal and say that he is canon fodder.

People also act like Laxus and Erza are the only monsters in the guild and have the best durability in Fairy Tail when Natsu has far surpassed them at this point even without Dragon Force since Alvarez he is the true protector of the guild, and I don't know why Erza fans are so complexed about that, being on par with Laxus is a very good point for her, it's not because Natsu is stronger than her that we think she is weak when she is very well placed with her feats unlike people like Mira or Gray who are overhyped by Hiro saying they are strong but who have trash feats compared to the best dogs in the guild.

He isn't stronger than them tho? Aside from his "MC power ups"/Dragon Force Erza is stronger than Natsu on a regular basis. Natsu is usually only stronger when he fights the boss of the Arc.

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Also, Kirin > Misaki > Suzaku > Haku.
Canonically Kirin is the strongest who had Gildarts level magic power. Misaki is the second strongest who also has gildarts level magic power ( the only one compared to the strongest). And claimed no one forced her to get serious except Kirin. Meaning she is only behind Kirin. Suzaku is next and then Haku is last. However Suzaku may look like the strongest because of his superior feats. Suzaku has the best stats out of all them no doubt, but when factoring in their magic and power he is the third strongest.

 

[Garmadooon]

He isn't stronger than them tho? Aside from his "MC power ups"/Dragon Force Erza is stronger than Natsu on a regular basis. Natsu is usually only stronger when he fights the boss of the Arc.

Well I don't know maybe she could be stronger than him without her powers ups but let's not act like she's leagues above him even if she can beat Natsu that can't be less than extreme difficulty like I said you, and Laxus fans you have a inferiority complex so you have to rely on portrayals to push your agendas.

It's not wanking Natsu to say he's on par with Erza or even slightly above her in fact, I also don't see how Laxus can knock him down before he goes Dragon Force. I mean, in the past you Erza fans wanted us to believe that she was the best tank in the FT guild but that's completely false. She has the best endurance because she can take a lot of pain but in durability Natsu is better than her because he can chain several fights without running out of magic while Erza tires too quickly after one or two long fights.

The point I wanted to prove with all my posts is that Laxus and Erza need to stop being put on a pedestal and giving the impression that no one can catch up to their level or beat them.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Well I don't know maybe she could be stronger than him without her powers ups but let's not act like she's leagues above him even if she can beat Natsu that can't be less than extreme difficulty like I said you, and Laxus fans you have a inferiority complex so you have to rely on portrayals to push your agendas.

It's not wanking Natsu to say he's on par with Erza or even slightly above her in fact, I also don't see how Laxus can knock him down before he goes Dragon Force. I mean, in the past you Erza fans wanted us to believe that she was the best tank in the FT guild but that's completely false. She has the best endurance because she can take a lot of pain but in durability Natsu is better than her because he can chain several fights without running out of magic while Erza tires too quickly after one or two long fights.

The point I wanted to prove with all my posts is that Laxus and Erza need to stop being put on a pedestal and giving the impression that no one can catch up to their level or beat them.

Everyone gets stronger. Erza/Laxus most of the time are meant to be stronger than Natsu or at least for right now. Erza got enchantments now, Laxus just got a new mode. And both beat Gildarts magic power tier opponents. Yes Natsu is going to surpassed them in the future. But as right now they're still stronger. Otherwise Mashina wouldn't have put Laxus above Natsu aside from MC power ups. You wouldn't expect Juvia to ever surpass Laxus.

 

[GL_Nova]

Well I don't know maybe she could be stronger than him without her powers ups but let's not act like she's leagues above him even if she can beat Natsu that can't be less than extreme difficulty like I said you, and Laxus fans you have a inferiority complex so you have to rely on portrayals to push your agendas.

It's not wanking Natsu to say he's on par with Erza or even slightly above her in fact, I also don't see how Laxus can knock him down before he goes Dragon Force. I mean, in the past you Erza fans wanted us to believe that she was the best tank in the FT guild but that's completely false. She has the best endurance because she can take a lot of pain but in durability Natsu is better than her because he can chain several fights without running out of magic while Erza tires too quickly after one or two long fights.

The point I wanted to prove with all my posts is that Laxus and Erza need to stop being put on a pedestal and giving the impression that no one can catch up to their level or beat them.

They deserve that pedestal though. Natsu still hasn't beaten Laxus on his own to this day. Same with Erza. They are the monsters too the monsters my guy

 

[Goku solos]

So your counter argument is Suzaku is the only guild member who hasn't worked with or competed against his fellows. Suzaku only ever claims peers. Kirin blatantly states he's the strongest. Selene names two contenders for strongest, and Misaki brags about facing Kirin. Suzaku doesn't even warrant a mention. She then doubles down that she's only even met two women stronger than her, and one is a dragon. We're blatantly told the big dog of their guild. Barring being told something different in the future, all the dope feats that you guys keep referencing, boost the unit. Same thing in the guild. Erza gets more screen time, but we keep being told that Laxus is big bro, and when he shows up we see it. Gildarts hasn't gone over 5 fights in the series but we know what we've been told and when he shows up next we expect him to still be the big dog. Laxus is a monster, but we are blatantly told how him vs Gildarts will go if they throw down. I'd still pay to see it because I wanna see how far Laxus pushes him, and it should be amazing. Story is the story

Selene said that Kirin is ONE of the strongest in their guild, not the strongest one.
only Kirin himself stated that he was the strongest and his statement isn't even reliable, not only based on feats but also cuz he's the same guy who couldn't admit that Laxus defeat him, he even said that Misaki couldn't go all out there while Misaki herself said otherwise.
them being in the same guild doesn't means they have to fight with each other
Erza and Laxus literally never fight since 784× except the battle of FT and Aldoron arc (cuz Laxus was under control).
Natsu hasn't fought one of them since gmg and etc'.
In addition we even know that characters from the same guild doesn't even always knows about the power of each other.
Laxus didn't knew that Erza could enchant Natsu's fire and Gray's ice in her swords while Erza had no idea that Laxus could to use RDLM.
in Aldoron arc the guild were shocked when they saw that Lucy can use star dress mix, etc'.
you can't make an argument by assuming that if Misaki fought Kirin then it means the same applies to Suzaku.
anyway, Suzaku himself stated that Selene is stronger than anyone he ever faced, so if he fought Misaki or Kirin it means that he defeat both cuz he defeated human Selene who he viewed as stronger than any one he faced before.
ong, idk why you even bring it again, Misaki being the strongest women means she's stronger than any other women, Suzaku is a MEN, her being the strongest women have nothing to do with Suzaku.

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[GL_Nova]

Selene said that Kirin is ONE of the strongest in their guild, not the strongest one.
only Kirin himself stated that he was the strongest and his statement isn't even reliable, not only based on feats but also cuz he's the same guy who couldn't admit that Laxus defeat him, he even said that Misaki couldn't go all out there while Misaki herself said otherwise.
them being in the same guild doesn't means they have to fight with each other
Erza and Laxus literally never fight since 784× except the battle of FT and Aldoron arc (cuz Laxus was under control).
Natsu hasn't fought one of them since gmg and etc'.
In addition we even know that characters from the same guild doesn't even always knows about the power of each other.
Laxus didn't knew that Erza could enchant Natsu's fire and Gray's ice in her swords while Erza had no idea that Laxus could to use RDLM.
in Aldoron arc the guild were shocked when they saw that Lucy can use star dress mix, etc'.
you can't make an argument by assuming that if Misaki fought Kirin then it means the same applies to Suzaku.
anyway, Suzaku himself stated that Selene is stronger than anyone he ever faced, so if he fought Misaki or Kirin it means that he defeat both cuz he defeated human Selene who he viewed as stronger than any one he faced before.
ong, idk why you even bring it again, Misaki being the strongest women means she's stronger than any other women, Suzaku is a MEN, her being the strongest women have nothing to do with Suzaku.

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Does she mention anyone else? Cause barring that, you really don't have an argument here. She said Laxus was a contender, and that Kirin was. Who else did she mention. Misaki bragged about her battle with Kirin, did she mention Suzaku? So 3 statements, but all of them are unreliable oh ok.

Why would it mean he defeated both...if he stated she was stronger than anyone he ever faced?? Walk me through your logic there.

Natsu challenges Laxus all the time, he challenges Erza all the time, the guild fights all the time. This isn't the argument you think it is either, moving on.

I'm not sure what you mised here but i dont sense i'll gain anything by going over it with you again.

 

[Goku solos]

Does she mention anyone else? Cause barring that, you really don't have an argument here. She said Laxus was a contender, and that Kirin was. Who else did she mention. Misaki bragged about her battle with Kirin, did she mention Suzaku? So 3 statements, but all of them are unreliable oh ok.

Why would it mean he defeated both...if he stated she was stronger than anyone he ever faced?? Walk me through your logic there.

Natsu challenges Laxus all the time, he challenges Erza all the time, the guild fights all the time. This isn't the argument you think it is either, moving on.

I'm not sure what you mised here but i dont sense i'll gain anything by going over it with you again.

Only 1 statement, again, Selene said he was one of the strongest, like how Erza Mystogan and Laxus were all one of the strongest in FT back to then.
Being one of the strongest doesn't means you are the strongest one.
So Selene never claimed that Kirin was the strongest.
Misaki just said that her and Kirin fought, Suzaku have nothing to do with it since there is no proof they ever fought with each other, nothing about this statement state that Kirin was the strongest in Diabolos.
So there is only the statement of Kirin himself.


Fym why it would mean he defeat them?
He said that Selene>>anyone he faced before
So if he defeated Selene who was stronger than anyone he ever faced then it's impossible that he lost to someome else who's weaker than her.
If Kirin and Misaki were his opponents then it means that they lost to Suzaku.


Show me where Natsu ever fought them since gmg arc, last time he asked Laxus to fight him was at alvarez after they faced Ajeel and Laxus wasn't interested.
And as I said Laxus and Erza were shown to not know about each other full power and same goes for the rest of the guild who didn't knew about star dress mix Lucy.

 

[GL_Nova]

Only 1 statement, again, Selene said he was one of the strongest, like how Erza Mystogan and Laxus were all one of the strongest in FT back to then.
Being one of the strongest doesn't means you are the strongest one.
So Selene never claimed that Kirin was the strongest.
Misaki just said that her and Kirin fought, Suzaku have nothing to do with it since there is no proof they ever fought with each other, nothing about this statement state that Kirin was the strongest in Diabolos.
So there is only the statement of Kirin himself.


Fym why it would mean he defeat them?
He said that Selene>>anyone he faced before
So if he defeated Selene who was stronger than anyone he ever faced then it's impossible that he lost to someome else who's weaker than her.
If Kirin and Misaki were his opponents then it means that they lost to Suzaku.


Show me where Natsu ever fought them since gmg arc, last time he asked Laxus to fight him was at alvarez after they faced Ajeel and Laxus wasn't interested.
And as I said Laxus and Erza were shown to not know about each other full power and same goes for the rest of the guild who didn't knew about star dress mix Lucy.

She said he and Laxus were candidates for strongest. What other member of Diabolos did she name. Let me know and we can move on.


Misaki brags that Kirin is the only person she's used that spell on. Provide something stating that she never sparred Suzaku or has seen him fight and an we can exclude him. Simple

That was some impressive mental jumping. Just because she's the strongest he's faced, doesn't mean he's never been beaten...it doesn't even suggest it.

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So you think Natsu hasn't challenged Laxus since Alvarez? That's the crux of your argument here.

 

[Goku solos]

She said he and Laxus were candidates for strongest. What other member of Diabolos did she name. Let me know and we can move on.


Misaki brags that Kirin is the only person she's used that spell on. Provide something stating that she never sparred Suzaku or has seen him fight and an we can exclude him. Simple

That was some impressive mental jumping. Just because she's the strongest he's faced, doesn't mean he's never been beaten...it doesn't even suggest it.

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So you think Natsu hasn't challenged Laxus since Alvarez? That's the crux of your argument here.

They are just one of the strongest in their guilds, it literally have nothing with being the strongest in the guild like Erza wasn't back to then in 784× yet they said she was one of the strongest along with Mystogan and Laxus.
so her statement doesn't helps your point at all.


that's not how it works, you are the one who claimed that Misaki fought him so you are the one who needs to provide the proof.
to claim that she fought Kirin so the same applies to Suzaku it's nothing but your headcanon.


It's irrelevant for your argument if he was defeated before or not
Suzaku beat his strongest opponent ever, so if he lost to someone before it would mean that he was way weaker than the current Suzaku, the current Suzaku>Selene>>>all the other opponents.
so if he fought Misaki and Kirin he views them below Selene who was defeated by him.
by the way he was shocked asf to see himself injured like that which implies it hasn't happen before


based on what we know so far he didn't, last time he challenged him was in alvarez and Laxus didn't agreed, so even if Natsu challenged him again we don't know if Laxus even agreed.
anyway my point is that because they are in the same guild doesn't means that each of them should to fight each other or to know about each other power, like Erza and Laxus hasn't fought Laxus since battle of FT and they had no idea about each other current power and same goes with the others who didn't knew about star dress mix Lucy.

 

[GL_Nova]

They are just one of the strongest in their guilds, it literally have nothing with being the strongest in the guild like Erza wasn't back to then in 784× yet they said she was one of the strongest along with Mystogan and Laxus.
so her statement doesn't helps your point at all.


that's not how it works, you are the one who claimed that Misaki fought him so you are the one who needs to provide the proof.
to claim that she fought Kirin so the same applies to Suzaku it's nothing but your headcanon.


It's irrelevant for your argument if he was defeated before or not
Suzaku beat his strongest opponent ever, so if he lost to someone before it would mean that he was way weaker than the current Suzaku, the current Suzaku>Selene>>>all the other opponents.
so if he fought Misaki and Kirin he views them below Selene who was defeated by him.
by the way he was shocked asf to see himself injured like that which implies it hasn't happen before


based on what we know so far he didn't, last time he challenged him was in alvarez and Laxus didn't agreed, so even if Natsu challenged him again we don't know if Laxus even agreed.
anyway my point is that because they are in the same guild doesn't means that each of them should to fight each other or to know about each other power, like Erza and Laxus hasn't fought Laxus since battle of FT and they had no idea about each other current power and same goes with the others who didn't knew about star dress mix Lucy.

See, the problem is this entire paragraph is just your opinon. This would be my like, fourth time asking about who else she mentioned as a contender, and you keep ignoring it because the answer it nobody. Sooooo, do you have an argument? Cause pointing out that Erza, who was clearly outmatched by Mystogan and Laxus back in the day. (Looking at their performance during phantom arc and his rebellion specifically) Could have been compared to them, which wouldn't have made her their equal, but would have been true because she's a S class too.


No, it's fact. Until you prove it otherwise. The story to date shows them operating as a normal guild, supports they are aware of each other's overall power, and has the character blatantly refer to a previous spar. Your argument is they never sparred, which is headcannon on your part since we are blatantly told they do. Now prove that she never sparred Suzaku like you claimed.

Natsu challenes Laxus everytime he sees him from what we've been shown throughout the series. Show why he wouldn't have challenged him in that entire year. i'll wait. See, you're trying to take this one instance, and use it to create an entire argument. Problem is, we've been told over and over and shown several times that all FT does is have giant guild fights in their bar. So the situation with Erza and Laxus is unique as opposed to consistent. Anything else?

 

[GodSlayer666]

See, the problem is this entire paragraph is just your opinon. This would be my like, fourth time asking about who else she mentioned as a contender, and you keep ignoring it because the answer it nobody. Sooooo, do you have an argument? Cause pointing out that Erza, who was clearly outmatched by Mystogan and Laxus back in the day. (Looking at their performance during phantom arc and his rebellion specifically) Could have been compared to them, which wouldn't have made her their equal, but would have been true because she's a S class too.


No, it's fact. Until you prove it otherwise. The story to date shows them operating as a normal guild, supports they are aware of each other's overall power, and has the character blatantly refer to a previous spar. Your argument is they never sparred, which is headcannon on your part since we are blatantly told they do. Now prove that she never sparred Suzaku like you claimed.

Natsu challenes Laxus everytime he sees him from what we've been shown throughout the series. Show why he wouldn't have challenged him in that entire year. i'll wait. See, you're trying to take this one instance, and use it to create an entire argument. Problem is, we've been told over and over and shown several times that all FT does is have giant guild fights in their bar. So the situation with Erza and Laxus is unique as opposed to consistent. Anything else?

It's not just an opinion that Laxus and Kirin are just one of the strongest in their guild, it's exactly what Selene said in official translations, even fan translations just put Kirin as a mere contender, he cannot leech Suzaku feats with any of that.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/1/1a/Laxus_and_Kirin_Two_Strongest.png/revision/latest?cb=20230321203523

The only one who said Kirin was the strongest Diabolos member was Kirin himself, so if one accepts his statement this one will have to accept God Serena saying he is stronger than Gildarts too. Both are visibly arrogants, Kirin even coped about being one shotted, disregarding one statement and accepting other is pure bias and double standards. But the fact is both aren't realible sources, Selene is the only who without any bias hyped Kirin, and her statement is far from enough to put Kirin above Suzaku.

Fairy Tail scaling can be bullshit specially after last chapter, but by feats Suzaku is superior and there is no reliable statement debunking this. Suzaku one shotted Erza and no, Erza have already fought is not a excuse, first thing Misaki did was damage Erza with hours of pain and Erza still soloed Misaki after taking hours of pain, so Suzaku>>>Kirin>=Misaki as Kirin should still be around her. Besides Suzaku one shotted both Erza and Natsu without a named attack. Yes Suzaku feats put him solidly above the rest of BDSK and no real statement disregard this. People overreact Madmole statement equalizing the BDSK but reality is that: when Selene asked if there were people as strong as Suzaku in the guild, Madmole said PERHARPS 3. He said ''perharps 3'', not ''certainly there are 3'', he just compared them because they were at same rank, no concrete and irrefutably evidence that all of them are equals.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c0/Dragon_Slayer_Knights_Comparable.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20221202205120

Now about Battle of Fairy Tail, Mystogan said Gildarts was the strongest mage and Laxus only replied that Gildarts was never there so him and Mystogan were the two strongest mages. Mystogan didn't even defended Erza as much as he does in the anime, he just says she isn't weak as Laxus suggested, besides Tenrou also made it clear that Laxus was solidly above Erza. Erza only reached Laxus level in Aldoron arc

 

[Garmadooon]

Suzaku > Kirin only Laxus fans think that Kirin is the strongest BDSK but they have so no argument apart from Kirin's arrogant statement that they even look for headcanons like Suzaku faced Misaki or Kirin and lost against them when it is false.

If Kirin is considered "the strongest BDSK" by some people it is because Laxus fans have an agenda to make him appear as the great protector of the FT guild when he has no merit in being one when he got trashed by Faris, a Zeref wannabe.

If Kirin had faced Dogramag he would have been stomped so horribly that he wouldn't even have the strength to get up, he was coughing up blood and flying from a Red Lightning attack even though he is supposed to be immune to it.

Shit on Suzaku all you want for his performance against Dogramag but he got back up after his attacks and had enough MP to give it to Natsu to defeat Dogramag with a unison raid sword. Neither Kirin, nor Misaki, nor Haku would have had the strength to do such a thing.

Natsu and Suzaku were clearly the strongest in the Labyrinth arc outside of DGs and the fact that they were able to defeat Nerfed Dogra despite them being weaker than him in 1v1 just solidified them as the duo and safe fighters of their guilds, to say anything else is to be dishonest and delusional.

I understand Laxus' stans are jealous of Natsu's and Suzaku's feats but don't worry, I'm sure your lightning boy will come back and will defeat a DG because Mashima and Ueda don't care about logic in power scaling anymore, at least you will maybe have a good reason to wank him as the "Tchad of Fairy Tail" as you love calling him.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Suzaku > Kirin only Laxus fans think that Kirin is the strongest BDSK but they have so no argument apart from Kirin's arrogant statement that they even look for headcanons like Suzaku faced Misaki or Kirin and lost against them when it is false.

If Kirin is considered "the strongest BDSK" by some people it is because Laxus fans have an agenda to make him appear as the great protector of the FT guild when he has no merit in being one when he got trashed by Faris, a Zeref wannabe.

If Kirin had faced Dogramag he would have been stomped so horribly that he wouldn't even have the strength to get up, he was coughing up blood and flying from a Red Lightning attack even though he is supposed to be immune to it.

Shit on Suzaku all you want for his performance against Dogramag but he got back up after his attacks and had enough MP to give it to Natsu to defeat Dogramag with a unison raid sword. Neither Kirin, nor Misaki, nor Haku would have had the strength to do such a thing.

Natsu and Suzaku were clearly the strongest in the Labyrinth arc outside of DGs and the fact that they were able to defeat Nerfed Dogra despite them being weaker than him in 1v1 just solidified them as the duo and safe fighters of their guilds, to say anything else is to be dishonest and delusional.

I understand Laxus' stans are jealous of Natsu's and Suzaku's feats but don't worry, I'm sure your lightning boy will come back and will defeat a DG because Mashima and Ueda don't care about logic in power scaling anymore, at least you will maybe have a good reason to wank him as the "Tchad of Fairy Tail" as you love calling him.

This just inspire me to make some slander

 

[MyaHeart35]

The BDSK are all more or less on the same level.
That has been established throughout the 100 year quest. Suzaku feats at first was used to hype up the BDSK. That's been happening in fairy tail for a long time. Every time there is a villain group Mashima uses one or two them to hype up the rest of the group without giving them feats. Jackal for the 9 demon gates, Brandish and God Serena for spriggans, etc. Not everyone in an arc is going to have a feats. Suzaku has the best feats of the BDSK no doubt. But stating he is strongest or above everyone else just because he has the most feats. We have to rely on statements as well when comparing the BDSK. Because not all of them have insane feats. Suzaku only stalemated Natsu, while Kirin and Misaki got compared to the strongest person fairy tail( magic power wise). Kirin was beating down Laxus, who had way less trouble than Natsu against the Diabolos trio. Misaki had gray and gajeel shivering just from magic power. Even Erza at the start of the their fight. Kirin and Misaki have more magic power than Suzaku as well as superior abilities and hax despite him being more durable and strength. Suzaku would lose in a fight against Miaski to her hax. Also if not I'm mistaken Mashima had ranked Natsu and Laxus in one of his videos recently. He put Laxus higher than Natsu aside from "MC buffs". Kirin beating down Laxus is more impressive than Suzaku stalemating Natsu who only used fire dragon king attacks and a technique he just recently developed. But if you can't accept Suzaku not being the strongest of the BDSK they're at least on the same level. There is No "Suzaku>>>>> Kirin > Misaki > Haku. " Question, would yall still think Suzaku was the strongest if he got bested and beat by Erza in their second round?