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Finally i can discuss actual featsI think he would have some difficulty against their hax
Luso just overwhelmed Erza in the first round, when she got serious Luso lost, but how she lost? Here, Erza realized that to counter her hax she had to destroy Luso's alchemy world
Note that Erza already knew that Luso could turn her into a furry, but she still thought that she could beat Luso as long as she destroyed her world, so this means that damaging the alchemy world countered her hax, so all you need to counter their hax is raw power enough to damage their world, and think nobody here can say that God Serena don't have the raw power to damage her world. Speed also seems to be a factor to beat Luso and her hax as Erza needed to speedblitz her, and we know that God Serena have lightning and light dragon slayer magics to give him a speed advantage likely even greater than Erza.
Now about Enny the interesting is that when she saw Luso defeated she simply said ''no more cheap tricks'' and proceeded to just use Alchemy Armor. Can you see that Enny hersef downplayed their own hax? Like yes it can affect a lot of people but it's really that reliable in actual fight? I mean, against a strong opponent? Like i showed all you need to counter their hax is decent speed and raw power.
I showed the concept of contender to say i don't need to show who else is a contender, by definition contender is not TOP 1 so if you wanna prove that Kirin is TOP 1 you will need way more than a contender statement because i could simply say that Haku>Kirin and won't be able to refute me without using feats. Wanna names? Suzaku, Misaki and Haku, ''but they weren't stated to be contenders'' so what? They were still equalized according to yourself remember? Even Madmole wasn't sure about equalizing them so i showed the concept of perharps to show that you guys were stretching this BDSK equality.I didn't ask you to explain the concept on Contender. I asked who else was mentioned as a contender. You wrote me several paragraphs about the importance of the word Perhaps and how it affected your opinion of the statement, why is this so difficult for you? You insist he was just one of the candidates Selene met, please provide the other candidates she stated or bow out on this point my guy. You aren't important enough to decide statements don't matter, so it's up to you to counter them. Please do so.
You're a bad loser, you insist that statements don't matter because you lack a counter to them. That makes you an unreliable debater. See how ridiculous that sounds as an argument. Provide a statement of Suzaku being superior to the other BDSK. You insist this is a thing, so please provide supporting evidence. See, her mentioning her performance against Kirin as a stand alone statement isn't very powerful if it was in the manga all alone. When we add Selene's comment about the fact he's the other contender for the strongest. Then we add his blatant statement he is the strongest in the Guild, Sensei paints a picture. You've yet to really offer a counter to this other than, @GodSlayer666 doesn't think statements should be used to make an argument. Problem is that holds about as much weight in the grand scheme of things as @Garmadooon not liking scaling arguments, jack and shit.
Perhaps isn't a strong enough word to make that statement work for you. It just shows that Madmole is unsure about how it breaks out. Skullion wasn't, and Selene hasn't been presented to be either. We can totally discuss feats, you got upset because i insisted that they bolster the entire group. An they do. Suzaku is able to speed blitz Erza, so was Laxus, who was in turn blitzed by Kirin. Misaki also blitzed Erza. Suzaku was unable to best Natsu, and this is without DF or a massive MC boost, so this is a Natsu who is below Laxus. Kirin was partnered with Laxus and Laxus only gained the power advantage after eating a dragon soul. So we can extrapolate pretty well, what did you wanna use?
I didn't say he wasn't cocky, i mean he was made as an anti Laxus.
So you are assuming and infering that he does not mean they are stronger than him. why?
Bad loser? You can't classify Kirin as TOP 1 with your contender statement and i'm the bad loser? You can't debunk that the BDSK are just PEHARPS as strong as Suzaku and i'm the bad loser? You create a headcanon where Suzaku is obliged to have fought Misaki and i'm the bad loser? You can't deny that Kirin is as biased as you and i'm the bad loser? The agenda is strong in this one. And it's not my fault that you are interpreting me wrong, i didn't said that statements doesn't matter, i just said that these statements don't go anywhere and don't provide anything definitive, this is different from ''statements don't matter''. Besides Gray basically scaled Suzaku above Erza while he scaled Erza close to Misaki
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It's not my fault that ''peharps'' makes a huge difference in a phrase, it's pure and simple text interpretation.
Laxus couldn't put her down after many strikes, Suzaku just needed one with a NON NAMED attack
Where Kirin blitzed Laxus? He just launched an fast attack but couldn't put BASE Laxus down after multiple attacks, then he offscreened Red Lightning Laxus without defeating him completely, but then we discover that he was relying on a coffin which has a special effect on Laxus and even Laxus backing to BASE he still couldn't put him down. Suzaku survived an Dogramag killing intent attack, Kirin was one shotted by Laxus.
Neither Misaki put Erza down, try again
Dragon King Scales is a boost, show me a proof that Laxus can beat Natsu with Dragon King Scales.
I already showed all the official statements, from this time you are just conveniently ignoring my points so i see no use on continuing thisDude by statements Kirin is outright the strongest BDSK. While Misaki is treated as the second. Misaki another BDSK hyped up Kirin. Suzaku was in no way was hyped up to be the strongest. Suzaku attacked her without warning she only blocked it because she fast enough. The good guys always lose the first round and then win the second. Thats been happening since the beginning of OG fairy tail. Even now I'm pretty sure Erza, Laxus, Natsu are stronger than the BDSK.
I'm giving it the benefit of a doubt DESPITE their awful performance against Erza the sisters are undoubtedly stronger than God Serena. Especially with their hax.
But about Signarios performance, why they deserve the benfit of doubt if yourself admits they performance was bad? This just smells Erza agenda or maybe Jellal slander, don't know, just don't sounds right