Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Rigel]

Will Laxus appear in this arc? The doubt remains.

 

[LaGOAT]

Not necessarily true. Since Erza's opponents after the GMG were stronger than Laxus's opponents.

In 1v1 battles? With both in the same arc? Not true

 

[GL_Nova]

Not necessarily true. Since Erza's opponents after the GMG were stronger than Laxus's opponents.

Erza has never fought an opponent stronger than Laxus on her own. Since day 1

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I'm really here because I'm heartbroken about this latest development. If only Gray had a getting lost trope, he could still show up 🥲

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So who yall think is the strongest demon? They tryina play Zero so they aren't scared lol

 

[Rigel]

We don't know who the strongest demon is, but we should have an understanding of each of their power levels based on their opponents and the way they are defeated.

Based on what has been said in this chapter, Daemon seems the most impressive of them all. She melted Aldoron????

 

[Yunkers]

Daemon seems the most impressive of them all. She melted Aldoron????

It could be that they all defeated Aldoron, and she just melted already defeated guy. But we probably will never know.

 

[Rigel]

It could be that they all defeated Aldoron, and she just melted already defeated guy. But we probably will never know.

Oh I agree with you.

But I think this quote from the character is impressive because her magic has a wide range to melt something of Aldoron's magnitude in size.

Just remember that the maximum size Brandish's magic can reach is the size of Aldoron.

 

[Yunkers]

But I think this quote from the character is impressive because her magic has a wide range to melt something of Aldoron's magnitude in size.

I see, I didn't think of area of effect. The very first thing that came to my mind was Laguna from Edens Zero. He was able to turn anyone into water, when the enemy started crying - nice hack, but useless if you know about it. I just kinda assumed Daemon has similiar hack.

 

[Rigel]

I see, I didn't think of area of effect. The very first thing that came to my mind was Laguna from Edens Zero. He was able to turn anyone into water, when the enemy started crying - nice hack, but useless if you know about it. I just kinda assumed Daemon has similiar hack.

Interesting.

 

[Goku solos]

I see, I didn't think of area of effect. The very first thing that came to my mind was Laguna from Edens Zero. He was able to turn anyone into water, when the enemy started crying - nice hack, but useless if you know about it. I just kinda assumed Daemon has similiar hack.

I think it's more simillar to Holy from EZ

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Minerva still has the speed to keep up with Erza. Luso Signário managed to stop Erza's speed.

First, I need to explain the idea of "portrayal by status pairing", which consists of showing equality in the level of characters by putting them together dealing with an opponent in the same way. If a group of characters faces the enemy, and, from the weakest character to the strongest, the whole group is beaten, this does not mean anything other than that the enemy is strong enough to beat everyone. But, if a group of characters faces an enemy and this group reacts to the same type of attack and is hit by another of the same kind of attack, there is a portrayal of "attribute pairing": the characters react in the same way and in the same situation.

I) Minerva Orland had a status pairing with Erza when the two and Jellal faced Luso Signário.
Minerva was hit when Erza was and reacted when Erza reacted.

Spoiler

It is worth mentioning that Minerva faced Erza, managing to hold her own in a fight with her, in three arcs: Grand Magic Games, Village of the Sun, and Tartaros. Therefore, the author considering that she has the speed to hold her own in a fight with the current Erza should not be surprised.

In general, Erza is a naturally fast character. She can increase her speed with the help of some magic (flight armor and the form with the Benizakura sword), but she naturally already has very high reflexes. She is not a wizard like Lucy, for example, who needs to activate a stardress to increase her physical attributes.

II) Luso Signário prevented Erza from passing through her summons and reaching her to defeat her. Erza understood that she would need to destroy the dimension to reach Luso and defeat her (and this is something incredible, considering the relevance that Erza has in speed). In the end, Luso and Erza clashed, competing between Luso's creation speed and Erza's destruction speed with the Sky Wheel Armor. Erza won the dispute of this clash and managed to get close to the mage to finish her enemy off.

Spoiler

Due to this fact of Erza X Luso, Minerva still gets good feats for having faced Luso and her creations before. Thus, In the author's eyes, Minerva never left a relevant position as a fighter.

 

[Darklord#10]

Minerva still has the speed to keep up with Erza. Luso Signário managed to stop Erza's speed.

First, I need to explain the idea of "portrayal by status pairing", which consists of showing equality in the level of characters by putting them together dealing with an opponent in the same way. If a group of characters faces the enemy, and, from the weakest character to the strongest, the whole group is beaten, this does not mean anything other than that the enemy is strong enough to beat everyone. But, if a group of characters faces an enemy and this group reacts to the same type of attack and is hit by another of the same kind of attack, there is a portrayal of "attribute pairing": the characters react in the same way and in the same situation.

I) Minerva Orland had a status pairing with Erza when the two and Jellal faced Luso Signário.
Minerva was hit when Erza was and reacted when Erza reacted.

It is worth mentioning that Minerva faced Erza, managing to hold her own in a fight with her, in three arcs: Grand Magic Games, Village of the Sun, and Tartaros. Therefore, the author considering that she has the speed to hold her own in a fight with the current Erza should not be surprised.

In general, Erza is a naturally fast character. She can increase her speed with the help of some magic (flight armor and the form with the Benizakura sword), but she naturally already has very high reflexes. She is not a wizard like Lucy, for example, who needs to activate a stardress to increase her physical attributes.

II) Luso Signário prevented Erza from passing through her summons and reaching her to defeat her. Erza understood that she would need to destroy the dimension to reach Luso and defeat her (and this is something incredible, considering the relevance that Erza has in speed). In the end, Luso and Erza clashed, competing between Luso's creation speed and Erza's destruction speed with the Sky Wheel Armor. Erza won the dispute of this clash and managed to get close to the mage to finish her enemy off.

Due to this fact of Erza X Luso, Minerva still gets good feats for having faced Luso and her creations before. Thus, In the author's eyes, Minerva never left a relevant position as a fighter.

You still on this??

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

You still on this??

Just wanted to share my analysis with someone

 

[Darklord#10]

Just wanted to share my analysis with someone

With who lol ? I'm probably the only person inclined to agree with you and that's just because Lucy fans like Rigel piss me off

 

[Kiki]

Minerva still has the speed to keep up with Erza. Luso Signário managed to stop Erza's speed.

First, I need to explain the idea of "portrayal by status pairing", which consists of showing equality in the level of characters by putting them together dealing with an opponent in the same way. If a group of characters faces the enemy, and, from the weakest character to the strongest, the whole group is beaten, this does not mean anything other than that the enemy is strong enough to beat everyone. But, if a group of characters faces an enemy and this group reacts to the same type of attack and is hit by another of the same kind of attack, there is a portrayal of "attribute pairing": the characters react in the same way and in the same situation.

I) Minerva Orland had a status pairing with Erza when the two and Jellal faced Luso Signário.
Minerva was hit when Erza was and reacted when Erza reacted.

It is worth mentioning that Minerva faced Erza, managing to hold her own in a fight with her, in three arcs: Grand Magic Games, Village of the Sun, and Tartaros. Therefore, the author considering that she has the speed to hold her own in a fight with the current Erza should not be surprised.

In general, Erza is a naturally fast character. She can increase her speed with the help of some magic (flight armor and the form with the Benizakura sword), but she naturally already has very high reflexes. She is not a wizard like Lucy, for example, who needs to activate a stardress to increase her physical attributes.

II) Luso Signário prevented Erza from passing through her summons and reaching her to defeat her. Erza understood that she would need to destroy the dimension to reach Luso and defeat her (and this is something incredible, considering the relevance that Erza has in speed). In the end, Luso and Erza clashed, competing between Luso's creation speed and Erza's destruction speed with the Sky Wheel Armor. Erza won the dispute of this clash and managed to get close to the mage to finish her enemy off.

Due to this fact of Erza X Luso, Minerva still gets good feats for having faced Luso and her creations before. Thus, In the author's eyes, Minerva never left a relevant position as a fighter.

please use spoiler tags. thats too long

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

please use spoiler tags. thats too long

Ok. I'll edit.

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With who lol ? I'm probably the only person inclined to agree with you and that's just because Lucy fans like Rigel piss me off

I really think that Mashima sees Minerva as a relevant wizard in terms of speed. She was also portrayed with a physical advantage against Historia Wahl. Wahl with his full strength fought Laxus, who is a monster in terms of speed. God Serena Historia was portrayed as being able to keep up with Gildarts in terms of physical strength, so there is no reason to think that the Historias versions became exponentially weak in terms of physical status (if Gildarts couldn't blitz God Serena Historia, no wizard from Fairy Tail guild could blitz a Historia).

Spoiler

 

[GodSlayer666]

Minerva still don't have scaling to be put above Jura, let alone Erza

And Minerva never was truly Erza's equal, now she is fodder to her. In GMG Erza trashed her the moment she used second origin, in Tartarus she indeed hold her own against Erza, but Erza true rival of the arc was Kyouka. In Alvarez she had an ''portrayal pairing'' with Rogue, the same Rogue who in Gold Owl had an portrayal pairing with base Gray, in Alvarez base gray was weaker than Ur, someone jsut hyped to be wizard saint level, not even god of ishgar level, so again Minerva don't have feats or scaling to beat GMG Jura. She can't leech Jellal or Erza feats when Erza low diffed Luso and defeated her stronger sister and Jellal defeated somone STRONGER than both sisters.

Alvarez Midnight was the last man standing against August, his magic was even praised by the Wizard King himself, this is already better than Minerva against Luso, so Alvarez Midnight>100YQ Minerva.

And Erza is a jobber now, she also lost to Kyria and Youko, against Youko she even had the same help she had against Irene, no bloodlusted Erza reactions aren't that great, Luso is not much stronger than a regular spriggan, she is just overrated due to fan mistranslations

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Minerva still don't have scaling to be put above Jura, let alone Erza

And Minerva never was truly Erza's equal, now she is fodder to her. In GMG Erza trashed her the moment she used second origin, in Tartarus she indeed hold her own against Erza, but Erza true rival of the arc was Kyouka. In Alvarez she had an ''portrayal pairing'' with Rogue, the same Rogue who in Gold Owl had an portrayal pairing with base Gray, in Alvarez base gray was weaker than Ur, someone jsut hyped to be wizard saint level, not even god of ishgar level, so again Minerva don't have feats or scaling to beat GMG Jura. She can't leech Jellal or Erza feats when Erza low diffed Luso and defeated her stronger sister and Jellal defeated somone STRONGER than both sisters.

Alvarez Midnight was the last man standing against August, his magic was even praised by the Wizard King himself, this is already better than Minerva against Luso, so Alvarez Midnight>100YQ Minerva.

And Erza is a jobber now, she also lost to Kyria and Youko, against Youko she even had the same help she had against Irene, no bloodlusted Erza reactions aren't that great, Luso is not much stronger than a regular spriggan, she is just overrated due to fan mistranslations

Minerva was paired with Erza in terms of speed.​

On GMG arc, Erza used her strongest armor to defeated Minerva.​

It doesn't matter who was Erza's true opponent on Tartarus, Minerva fought Erza for hours keeping up the Titania.​

Minerva didn't paired with Rogue, since they didn't fight the same opponent. Actually, Minerva fought Wahl Historia and was showed dominating him in physical combat, even though Gildarts couldn't dominate God Serena Historia in the same way and even although Wahl alive fought Laxus, who is a monster in terms of speed.​

Your comparission between Minerva and Rogue/Gray is ridiculous, since Minerva fought alongside Erza and Jellal, and not with them.​

Erza is a very fast wizard. If one of her enemies gives her trouble, it is his or her merit.​

If I remember correctly, Erza was able to ignore Youkou creatures and attack the caster directly. It's not what happened when she fought Luso.​

 

[GodSlayer666]

Minerva was paired with Erza in terms of speed.​

On GMG arc, Erza used her strongest armor to defeated Minerva.​

It doesn't matter who was Erza's true opponent on Tartarus, Minerva fought Erza for hours keeping up the Titania.​

Minerva didn't paired with Rogue, since they didn't fight the same opponent. Actually, Minerva fought Wahl Historia and was showed dominating him in physical combat, even though Gildarts couldn't dominate God Serena Historia in the same way and even although Wahl alive fought Laxus, who is a monster in terms of speed.​

Your comparission between Minerva and Rogue/Gray is ridiculous, since Minerva fought alongside Erza and Jellal, and not with them.​

Erza is a very fast wizard. If one of her enemies gives her trouble, it is his or her merit.​

If I remember correctly, Erza was able to ignore Youkou creatures and attack the caster directly. It's not what happened when she fought Luso.​

Her magic is literally about teleport, if she couldn't avoid some random explosions she would be a joke
Erza used her strongest armor to one shot Minerva after she already defeated Kagura, Minerva tried to take advanatge of Erza becoming tired after the fight
How it doesn't matter if it show that she wasn't that close to Erza as Kyouka?
Minerva fought the historia of the spriggan Mashima is saying that is the weakest one. Laxus was just nerfed in his fight.

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Alive God Serena is above Laxus according to Mashima, so ofcourse his historia would be above the other historias and remain somewhat decent for a spriggan

And you think trying to compare Minerva to Jellal and Erza just because she was standing alongside them isn't ridiculous, in Avarez Minerva was losing to a historia spriggan while Erza was losing to a full powered spriggan, in 100YQ Erza become Laxus level, this alone debunks any possible status parity. And the moment Erza was bloodlusted she speedblizted Luso while even with territory Minerva was fooled by her. Besides Minerva fought a weaker historia than Rogue, so why it's unfair to put them at the same level by your own logic? Both fought and were losing to a spriggan historia but Bloodman was stronger than Wahl. And like some pointed before even Yukino was reacting to Athena attacks.
Maybe it's the enemy's merit, but avoiding some random explosions with territory is not merit, is just the obligation of a teleport user. And even if it was with her own speed, Yukino also have speed to avoid a stronger opponent attacks.
Thanks to Natsu team she could ignore the yokais, against Luso Erza didn't had team help and still defeated Luso more easily than Youko

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Her magic is literally about teleport, if she couldn't avoid some random explosions she would be a joke
Erza used her strongest armor to one shot Minerva after she already defeated Kagura, Minerva tried to take advanatge of Erza becoming tired after the fight
How it doesn't matter if it show that she wasn't that close to Erza as Kyouka?
Minerva fought the historia of the spriggan Mashima is saying that is the weakest one. Laxus was just nerfed in his fight.

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Alive God Serena is above Laxus according to Mashima, so ofcourse his historia would be above the other historias and remain somewhat decent for a spriggan

And you think trying to compare Minerva to Jellal and Erza just because she was standing alongside them isn't ridiculous, in Avarez Minerva was losing to a historia spriggan while Erza was losing to a full powered spriggan, in 100YQ Erza become Laxus level, this alone debunks any possible status parity. And the moment Erza was bloodlusted she speedblizted Luso while even with territory Minerva was fooled by her. Besides Minerva fought a weaker historia than Rogue, so why it's unfair to put them at the same level by your own logic? Both fought and were losing to a spriggan historia but Bloodman was stronger than Wahl. And like some pointed before even Yukino was reacting to Athena attacks.
Maybe it's the enemy's merit, but avoiding some random explosions with territory is not merit, is just the obligation of a teleport user. And even if it was with her own speed, Yukino also have speed to avoid a stronger opponent attacks.
Thanks to Natsu team she could ignore the yokais, against Luso Erza didn't had team help and still defeated Luso more easily than Youko

Minerva didn't avoid the punch with the AOE of the bear created by Luso with teleport; she just dodged it like Erza and Jellal did. However, unlike the last two, who only got away from it, she came close, dodging it plenty of times to attack him with an explosion.

Spoiler

Erza didn't knock out Kagura. Kagura was about to give up from the competition when Minerva stabled her by surprise. Yet,to defeat Minerva Erza use a armor that drained all her MP quickly:

Spoiler

Sick Laxus was already strong enough to scare a Spriggan, as he did casually to Ajeel in the beginning of the Alvarez Arc. August actually thought that Laxus would kill Ajeel with that one lighting blast. Thus, doesn't matter if Wahl is the weakest of all, if he can trade blows with Laxus, he is strong. Andi if God Serena can keep up with Gildarts strength and speed, there is a good feat to Minerva pressure Wahl Historia in a physical fight, after all it is proved that a Spriggan Historia can keep up with strong wizards status.
Gildarts is also above Laxus and Minerva is obviously below Laxus, so that doesn't change Minerva's feat: Gildarts was held by a Historia who, when alive, is equal to him. Minerva was dominating a Historia, who, when alive, is stronger than her.

Nothing that you say after that makes sense. Erza blitzed Luso only after destroying all her dimensions (her creatures), she couldn't just ignore them and go right to the enemy, she tried it twice, but was hit by Luso's creations. Luso doesn't seem good at close-quarters combat, and she was mentally unstable trying to make her creation overcome Erza's Tenrin speed destruction. Luso kept the feat of preventing Erza from directly advancing, which is insane.

Spoiler

You will not win this. I have an awareness of all of Minerva's feats.

 

[WoWfan]

Minerva didn't avoid the punch with the AOE of the bear created by Luso with teleport; she just dodged it like Erza and Jellal did. However, unlike the last two, who only got away from it, she came close, dodging it plenty of times to attack him with an explosion.

Spoiler

Erza didn't knock out Kagura. Kagura was about to give up from the competition when Minerva stabled her by surprise. Yet,to defeat Minerva Erza use a armor that drained all her MP quickly:

Spoiler

Weak Laxus was already strong enough to scare a Spriggan, as he did casually to Ajeel in the beginning of the Alvarez Arc. August actually thought that Laxus would kill Ajeel with that one lighting blast. Thus, doesn't matter if Wahl is the weakest of all, if he can trade blows with Laxus, he is strong. Andi if God Serena can keep up with Gildarts strength and speed, there is a good feat to Minerva pressure Wahl Historia in a physical fight, after all it is proved that a Spriggan Historia can keep up with strong wizards status.
Gildarts is also above Laxus and Minerva is obviously below Laxus, so that doesn't change Minerva's feat: Gildarts was held by a Historia who, when alive, is equal to him. Minerva was dominating a Historia, who, when alive, is stronger than her.

Nothing that you say after that makes sense. Erza blitzed Luso only after destroying all her dimensions (her creatures), she couldn't just ignore them and go right to the enemy, she tried it twice, but was hit by Luso's creations. Luso doesn't seem good at close-quarters combat, and she was mentally unstable trying to make her creation overcome Erza's Tenrin speed destruction. Luso kept the feat of preventing Erza from directly advancing, which is insane.

Spoiler

You will not win this. I have an awareness of all of Minerva's feats.

Technically, Laxus was not weak as it only happens when he has those seizures from the Anti-Magic Particles inside him, he and Wall stated that in Alvarez.