Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GodSlayer666]

Minerva didn't avoid the punch with the AOE of the bear created by Luso with teleport; she just dodged it like Erza and Jellal did. However, unlike the last two, who only got away from it, she came close, dodging it plenty of times to attack him with an explosion.

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Erza didn't knock out Kagura. Kagura was about to give up from the competition when Minerva stabled her by surprise. Yet,to defeat Minerva Erza use a armor that drained all her MP quickly:

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Weak Laxus was already strong enough to scare a Spriggan, as he did casually to Ajeel in the beginning of the Alvarez Arc. August actually thought that Laxus would kill Ajeel with that one lighting blast. Thus, doesn't matter if Wahl is the weakest of all, if he can trade blows with Laxus, he is strong. Andi if God Serena can keep up with Gildarts strength and speed, there is a good feat to Minerva pressure Wahl Historia in a physical fight, after all it is proved that a Spriggan Historia can keep up with strong wizards status.
Gildarts is also above Laxus and Minerva is obviously below Laxus, so that doesn't change Minerva's feat: Gildarts was held by a Historia who, when alive, is equal to him. Minerva was dominating a Historia, who, when alive, is stronger than her.

Nothing that you say after that makes sense. Erza blitzed Luso only after destroying all her dimensions (her creatures), she couldn't just ignore them and go right to the enemy, she tried it twice, but was hit by Luso's creations. Luso doesn't seem good at close-quarters combat, and she was mentally unstable trying to make her creation overcome Erza's Tenrin speed destruction. Luso kept the feat of preventing Erza from directly advancing, which is insane.

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You will not win this. I have an awareness of all of Minerva's feats.

First panel was just Minerva avoiding a Luso's minion attack, avoing a minion attack is the minimum that anyone should do, otherwise she would be a joke. I mentioned the explosion because it was Luso herself who did.

I said that she defeated Kagura, not knocked out her, Kagura basically lost her fight before she quitted. Then Minerva started to screw Erza who was already injuried from the fight and her foot was specially screwed due to her saving Kagura from an stone, so she had to release her second origin, the nakagami armor was for her to turn the tides in her current condition, as you can see in tartarus she didnt needed it again against a stronger Minerva.

Wahl had lightning immunity, without it he would be a one shot material just like Ajeel, he just managed to trade blows with Laxus due to his immunity. God Serena historia is not a good feat for minerva because he should be much stronger than even Bloodman historia, Serena wasn't equal to other spriggans as previously thought, the Gods of Ishgar were surprised by his power level and even Mashima confirmed that he was above Laxus. GS>Laxus>most spriggans

And Wahl was seen overpowering her before the result was shown in chapter 500 and even after Wahl defeat in chapter 508 she pointed that the victory could not be her merit but due to Neinhart defeat.

Yes she had to damage Luso's world first, but it was easy to do, destroying her creations wasn't hard, my point still stands, she didn't had any support and still got a better time with Youko than Luso, if Erza was alone against Youko and her yokais Youko would have given her even more trouble to Erza advance against her. Luso prevented Erza from attacking directly due to the nature of her hax, but it's not like she prevented it for a good time. And Enny didn't even tried to use world alchemy hax against Erza after seeing her sister defeat, and she mentally stable, so it's not like it would make much difference if Luso was mentally stable, Enny even refered to their hax as cheap tricks.

I know enough to know that she isn't even Jura level

 

[Darklord#10]

Minerva didn't avoid the punch with the AOE of the bear created by Luso with teleport; she just dodged it like Erza and Jellal did. However, unlike the last two, who only got away from it, she came close, dodging it plenty of times to attack him with an explosion.

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Erza didn't knock out Kagura. Kagura was about to give up from the competition when Minerva stabled her by surprise. Yet,to defeat Minerva Erza use a armor that drained all her MP quickly:

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Weak Laxus was already strong enough to scare a Spriggan, as he did casually to Ajeel in the beginning of the Alvarez Arc. August actually thought that Laxus would kill Ajeel with that one lighting blast. Thus, doesn't matter if Wahl is the weakest of all, if he can trade blows with Laxus, he is strong. Andi if God Serena can keep up with Gildarts strength and speed, there is a good feat to Minerva pressure Wahl Historia in a physical fight, after all it is proved that a Spriggan Historia can keep up with strong wizards status.
Gildarts is also above Laxus and Minerva is obviously below Laxus, so that doesn't change Minerva's feat: Gildarts was held by a Historia who, when alive, is equal to him. Minerva was dominating a Historia, who, when alive, is stronger than her.

Nothing that you say after that makes sense. Erza blitzed Luso only after destroying all her dimensions (her creatures), she couldn't just ignore them and go right to the enemy, she tried it twice, but was hit by Luso's creations. Luso doesn't seem good at close-quarters combat, and she was mentally unstable trying to make her creation overcome Erza's Tenrin speed destruction. Luso kept the feat of preventing Erza from directly advancing, which is insane.

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You will not win this. I have an awareness of all of Minerva's feats.

Bro I support you . You're funny

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Technically, Laxus was not weak as it only happens when he has those seizures from the Anti-Magic Particles inside him, he and Wall stated that in Alvarez.

I mean "sick Laxus" (I changed it already). You're right.

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First panel was just Minerva avoiding a Luso's minion attack, avoing a minion attack is the minimum that anyone should do, otherwise she would be a joke. I mentioned the explosion because it was Luso herself who did.

I said that she defeated Kagura, not knocked out her, Kagura basically lost her fight before she quitted. Then Minerva started to screw Erza who was already injuried from the fight and her foot was specially screwed due to her saving Kagura from an stone, so she had to release her second origin, the nakagami armor was for her to turn the tides in her current condition, as you can see in tartarus she didnt needed it again against a stronger Minerva.

Wahl had lightning immunity, without it he would be a one shot material just like Ajeel, he just managed to trade blows with Laxus due to his immunity. God Serena historia is not a good feat for minerva because he should be much stronger than even Bloodman historia, Serena wasn't equal to other spriggans as previously thought, the Gods of Ishgar were surprised by his power level and even Mashima confirmed that he was above Laxus. GS>Laxus>most spriggans

And Wahl was seen overpowering her before the result was shown in chapter 500 and even after Wahl defeat in chapter 508 she pointed that the victory could not be her merit but due to Neinhart defeat.

Yes she had to damage Luso's world first, but it was easy to do, destroying her creations wasn't hard, my point still stands, she didn't had any support and still got a better time with Youko than Luso, if Erza was alone against Youko and her yokais Youko would have given her even more trouble to Erza advance against her. Luso prevented Erza from attacking directly due to the nature of her hax, but it's not like she prevented it for a good time. And Enny didn't even tried to use world alchemy hax against Erza after seeing her sister defeat, and she mentally stable, so it's not like it would make much difference if Luso was mentally stable, Enny even refered to their hax as cheap tricks.

I know enough to know that she isn't even Jura level

Except the minion attack can pass through Erza's guard when she was dodging others and even hit her directly. Why are you using arguments already knocked down on my long analysis? Did you bother to read it properly before going against it?

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Thank you for explaining Minerva X Erza, but I don't need it. The fact is: Erza used her strongest armor to defeat Minerva.

Erza didn't need Nakagami on Tartaros Arc, because Erza didn't need anything other than her physical strength to beat Neo Minerva and Etherious Kyouka. It doesn't change Minerva's speed feats in this arc, once she fought Erza for hours during the arc.


Wahl was able to tank Laxus's strength and hit him physically, so Wahl IS strong, don't waste your time fighting against the manga:

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Wahl overpowered Minerva with magic, not physically. Minerva only questioned if it was her who defeated Wahl or if the caster keeping him there was defeated because Minerva previously requested Yukino and Angel to find Neinhart and defeat him. However, the author showed that Minerva used a spell hard enough to destroy a part of Wahl's face, and, if the Historias just have vanished without being knocked out first, she would have been sure that she and Rogue didn't participate in the defeat of the enemies. The thing is: this, again, doesn't change anything in her speed feats. My analysis was about her speed portrayal and not about the power of her attacks.

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You don't have a point. Tenrin Armor's destruction speed could keep up with Laxus' Red Lighting form spears. Thus, it's a good armor to destroy fast things. Erza didn't defeat Luso's world easily, she needed to spam Tenrin Armor's swords to surpass Luso's creation speed. Against Youkou, Erza just perceived that the summoner wouldn't stop creating summons and decided to attack the summoner directly, which she was able to do. Luso, however, couldn't be reached without Erza having destroyed her summons first. Luso really blocked Erza's advanced speed, and Youkou didn't. But even if Youkou did have better feats, better summons, etc., it doesn't change what Luso did against Erza.

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[Yunkers]

Erza didn't need Nakagami on Tartaros Arc, because Erza didn't need anything other than her physical strength to beat Neo Minerva and Etherious Kyouka. It doesn't change Minerva's speed feats in this arc, once she fought Erza for hours during the arc.

I would put a small correction there. Nakagami Armor can dispell any Magic, but since Demons use Curses it wouldn't be effective.

That's at least for Kyôka, but I assume since Minerva was a demon, she briefly used Curses too.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I mean "sick Laxus" (I changed it already). You're right.

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Except the minion attack can pass through Erza's guard when she was dodging others and even hit her directly. Why are you using arguments already knocked down on my long analysis? Did you bother to read it properly before going against it?

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Thank you for explaining Minerva X Erza, but I don't need it. The fact is: Erza used her strongest armor to defeat Minerva.

Erza didn't need Nakagami on Tartaros Arc, because Erza didn't need anything other than her physical strength to beat Neo Minerva and Etherious Kyouka. It doesn't change Minerva's speed feats in this arc, once she fought Erza for hours during the arc.


Wahl was able to tank Laxus's strength and hit him physically, so Wahl IS strong, don't waste your time fighting against the manga:

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Wahl overpowered Minerva with magic, not physically. Minerva only questioned if it was her who defeated Wahl or if the caster keeping him there was defeated because Minerva previously requested Yukino and Angel to find Neinhart and defeat him. However, the author showed that Minerva used a spell hard enough to destroy a part of Wahl's face, and, if the Historias just have vanished without being knocked out first, she would have been sure that she and Rogue didn't participate in the defeat of the enemies. The thing is: this, again, doesn't change anything in her speed feats. My analysis was about her speed portrayal and not about the power of her attacks.

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You don't have a point. Tenrin Armor's destruction speed could keep up with Laxus' Red Lighting form spears. Thus, it's a good armor to destroy fast things. Erza didn't defeat Luso's world easily, she needed to spam Tenrin Armor's swords to surpass Luso's creation speed. Against Youkou, Erza just perceived that the summoner wouldn't stop creating summons and decided to attack the summoner directly, which she was able to do. Luso, however, couldn't be reached without Erza having destroyed her summons first. Luso really blocked Erza's advanced speed, and Youkou didn't. But even if Youkou did have better feats, better summons, etc., it doesn't change what Luso did against Erza.

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Just to make it clear, my first comment wasn't a direct reply due to me focusing on Minerva power level, though i'm also not impressed by her speed, but here we go.

So Minerva is afst because one minion punched Erza? Firstly it wasn't even the same minion, secondly this way i should wank Taurus too for hitting Athena https://cdn.readfairytail.com/file/mangap/1175/10134000/3.jpeg chapter 134 if the link isn't working. I mean they are still just minions, just cannon fodder in the end of the day. Erza speedblitzed Luso, but before being bloodlusted she wasn't showing any great speed, Luso was even toying with her because of the lack of great showings.

Fact is: Erza used nakagami to one shot Minerva, but only used it because she was already pretty screwed, specially her foot.

Fighting against the manga? Is Wahl immune to lightning, yes or not? If Laxus was able of one shotting Ajeel, why he wasn't able of one shotting Wahl if Hiro said Wahl was weaker? Because of the lightning immunity ,simple like that, Wahl was fighting equally with Laxus due to his immunity, otherwise he would be one shotted just like Ajeel. Wanna say that Wahl is fast enough to keep with Laxus? But the historia should be much weaker, all stats including speed should be lower, GS was reduced to a small fry according to Gildarts himself, the alive one would be able to give him a fight, so if someone who could give Gildarts a fight was reduced to a small fry, what would happen to a Gildarts one shot material? Reduced to God of Ishgar level at the very best.

Let's assume they indeed beat the historias, Rogue also defeated one but now is portrayed at base Gray level who is weaker than Ur, i could argue that Minerva is even weaker than Ur thanks to that. Wanna say that Minerva is faster than Ur and the Gods of Ishgar because she fought a weakned Wahl? Ok, i guess, my main point is that she is weaker than them. But is her speed relevant for spriggan level and above characters? I mean, Racer should be faster than her and we will still have to analyze later how strong the Oracion Sechs really are.

Again Erza need to be bloodlusted to be that fast. The fight didn't tired her, her injuries were very little, she could fight later against her sister and even after that she could keep fighting against Athena II and Viernes, so i can't say that her fight was hard, even because in the end she just speedblizted Luso. Yes Erza had to deal with World Alchemy first, but my point is that it wasn't that hard to deal with, without her friends she would have struggled a lot more against Youko as no one would deal with the yokais for her. People like Erza and Laxus may not be able to simply one shot Luso like they can do against spriggans and the diabolos trio but they can still speedblitz her, so let's she is higher than a regular spriggan but not by that much.

 

[Goku solos]

Minerva weak as hell

 

[Darklord#10]

Minerva weak as hell

Change your pfp

 

[Ratrace]

Fighting against the manga? Is Wahl immune to lightning, yes or not? If Laxus was able of one shotting Ajeel, why he wasn't able of one shotting Wahl if Hiro said Wahl was weaker? Because of the lightning immunity ,simple like that, Wahl was fighting equally with Laxus due to his immunity, otherwise he would be one shotted just like Ajeel. Wanna say that Wahl is fast enough to keep with Laxus? But the historia should be much weaker, all stats including speed should be lower, GS was reduced to a small fry according to Gildarts himself, the alive one would be able to give him a fight, so if someone who could give Gildarts a fight was reduced to a small fry, what would happen to a Gildarts one shot material? Reduced to God of Ishgar level at the very best.

my only problem with this is Laxus did not one shot Ajeel, because he was saved by August

 

[GodSlayer666]

my only problem with this is Laxus did not one shot Ajeel, because he was saved by August

I didn't said he one shotted Ajeel , i said ''able of one shotting'' due to August opinion.

But moving on to another topic, the oracion seis were skipped in this chapter but i still want to especulate how strong they are now

Midnight: Spriggan level or a bit higher. Zero as strongest demon of Faris should be at least around Mard Geer and Bloodman, and Midnight should be stronger than Cobra

Cobra: Spriggan/Diabolos trio level. As one of Mashima favs it seems fair for Erik to become relevant again being around level of the new dragon slayers.

Racer: God of Ishgar level. Likely stronger than Hoteye

Hoteye: Jura level. He kind of had an rivalry with Jura in the oracion seis arc, so seems fair to put him at his level now since every single oracion seis being spriggan level seems far fetched, only the stronger ones should be.

Angel: Kagura/Minerva level: Angel should be weaker than the other original oracion seis members, but her power should be somewhat relevant enough for these demons.

Meredy: Zancrow/pre-timeskip Laxus level: I'm actually being generous to Meredy, she was weaker than Zancrow in Alvarez so i could simply put her at Juvia level, and i always saw Zancrow peformance as similar to Battle of Fairy Tail Laxus

 

[Rigel]

Faris's Demons > Diabolus.

Aldoron = Selene.

New Oracion 6 > Aldoron
Selene > Diabolus

 

[Ratrace]

I didn't said he one shotted Ajeel , i said ''able of one shotting'' due to August opinion.

The way you said it made it seem like he did

 

[GodSlayer666]

Faris's Demons > Diabolus.

Aldoron = Selene.

New Oracion 6 > Aldoron
Selene > Diabolus

They are already struggling against oracion seis, no matter what happens New Oracion 6 > Aldoron it's unfeasible, there would be no single character to beat them outside of Natsu. They can curbstomp the original seis in next chapter and they would still be below the BDSK, mark my words and charge me later. Oracion Sechs only destroyed the lacrima like Lucy.

The way you said it made it seem like he did

But i wrote it right, ''able of one shotting'' not one shotted

 

[Rigel]

They are already struggling against oracion seis, no matter what happens New Oracion 6 > Aldoron it's unfeasible, there would be no single character to beat them outside of Natsu. They can curbstomp the original seis in next chapter and they would still be below the BDSK, mark my words and charge me later. Oracion Sechs only destroyed the lacrima like Lucy.



But i wrote it right, ''able of one shotting'' not one shotted

Right now, I'm working with what was shown in the manga. Until proven otherwise, they are the most powerful group of villains in the quest.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Oracion Sechs struggling and being harmed was shown in the manga and this already debunks any ''New Oracion 6 > Aldoron'' possibility, and Gate saying they already destroyed the lacrima was also shown in the manga, but if you wanna wait for oracion sechs be defeated to debunk this take ok, but then don't tell later that it wasn't obvious from the start.

 

[GL_Nova]

my only problem with this is Laxus did not one shot Ajeel, because he was saved by August

Who admitted he was worried Ajeel would have died. An that's why he stepped in.

 

[Rigel]

Oracion Sechs struggling and being harmed was shown in the manga and this already debunks any ''New Oracion 6 > Aldoron'' possibility, and Gate saying they already destroyed the lacrima was also shown in the manga, but if you wanna wait for oracion sechs be defeated to debunk this take ok, but then don't tell later that it wasn't obvious from the start.

You create many theories and assume they are fact, when the manga didn't show the context of this fight. Mashima only portrayed that Aldoron was killed and his lacrima was destroyed, nothing more than that.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Ok bro, it's 6 above Gildarts level characters that have to be defeated right? They are struggling and being harmed by oracion seis but they are still somehow all above Gildarts. What i'm saying is that it just need Gildarts or characters below him to fight and defeat these guys and you will be proven wrong, you are only putting the stakes far higher than they really are

 

[Ratrace]

They are already struggling against oracion seis, no matter what happens New Oracion 6 > Aldoron it's unfeasible, there would be no single character to beat them outside of Natsu. They can curbstomp the original seis in next chapter and they would still be below the BDSK, mark my words and charge me later. Oracion Sechs only destroyed the lacrima like Lucy.



But i wrote it right, ''able of one shotting'' not one shotted

Later you said if wahl didn’t have that immunity he would have been oneshotted just like Ajeel

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Who admitted he was worried Ajeel would have died. An that's why he stepped in.

That’s true but at the same time Ajeel doesn’t think that would have killed him (also could be him just being arrogant)

 

[Rigel]

Ok bro, it's 6 above Gildarts level characters that have to be defeated right? They are struggling and being harmed by oracion seis but they are still somehow all above Gildarts. What i'm saying is that it just need Gildarts or characters below him to fight and defeat these guys and you will be proven wrong, you are only putting the stakes far higher than they really are

The discussion you want to start is not relevant to the current moment, since we have not yet seen the powers of these characters and we have little information about each of the demons.

Furthermore, you already assume that these characters will be defeated, so you think very little of them. I don't intend to convince you otherwise, as the manga should answer these questions about these characters' power levels soon.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Later you said if wahl didn’t have that immunity he would have been oneshotted just like Ajeel

bro, if Laxus is able of one shotting Ajeel he would be able to one shot Wahl too if it wasn't for the lightning immunity isn't it?

That’s true but at the same time Ajeel doesn’t think that would have killed him (also could be just being arrogant)

Dude was defeated by Elfman and Lisanna, i will take August opinion over his

The discussion you want to start is not relevant to the current moment, since we have not yet seen the powers of these characters and we have little information about each of the demons.

Furthermore, you already assume that these characters will be defeated, so you think very little of them. I don't intend to convince you otherwise, as the manga should answer these questions about these characters' power levels soon.

In my initial discussion i made it clear that it was my speculation

For their defeat, yes they are villains and i'm assuming they will be beaten and while my personal bet is oracion seis it don't even need to be them for Oracion Sechs to be weaker than the BDSK and below the level you are assuming. If Mira for example appears and beat one of them, this demon already can't be that strong. Mirajane demonic powers is not a excuse, Seilah was a demon and was stronger than her back at Tartarus, Mira only won because Elfman was around.

There is already a fair explanation for Aldoron defeat and the chances of them being that strong are so low that makes me wanna bet money with you