Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Rigel]

bro, if Laxus is able of one shotting Ajeel he would be able to one shot Wahl too if it wasn't for the lightning immunity isn't it?



Dude was defeated by Elfman and Lisanna, i will take August opinion over his




In my initial discussion i made it clear that it was my speculation

For their defeat, yes they are villains and i'm assuming they will be beaten and while my personal bet is oracion seis it don't even need to be them for Oracion Sechs to be weaker than the BDSK and below the level you are assuming. If Mira for example appears and beat one of them, this demon already can't be that strong. Mirajane demonic powers is not a excuse, Seilah was a demon and was stronger than her back at Tartarus, Mira only won because Elfman was around.

There is already a fair explanation for Aldoron defeat and the chances of them being that strong are so low that makes me wanna bet money with you

I will correct you only on one specific point.

Mira did not easily beat Seilah solely due to Macro preventing Take Over from taking over her body. It's there in the manga explaining it.

As for the fair explanation for Aldoron's defeat, you created it.

 

[Ratrace]

Dude was defeated by Elfman and Lisanna, i will take August opinion over his

that’s one of the reasons why I said it might just him being arrogant

 

[GodSlayer666]

Mira did not easily beat Seilah solely due to Macro preventing Take Over from taking over her body. It's there in the manga explaining it.

Macro is Seilah's ability, so Seilah's merit

As for the fair explanation for Aldoron's defeat, you created it.

Didn't knew i was so influential in the community, so people using this same argument are based on me

 

[Rigel]

Macro is Seilah's ability, so Seilah's merit


Didn't knew i was so influential in the community, so people using this same argument are based on me

Seilah's ability protected her from Mirajane's Take Over, just as Horologiun protected Lucy from Jacob's Transport. Mirajane could have taken control of Kyouka through Take Over if she had faced her.

Regarding you... You are constantly spreading this theory on reddit and this forum, treating it as fact, when it doesn't exist in the manga.

And by the way, Aldoron's lacrima was only destroyed after he was killed.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Seilah's ability protected her from Mirajane's Take Over, just as Horologiun protected Lucy from Jacob's Transport. Mirajane could have taken control of Kyouka through Take Over if she had faced her.

And Mira's Take Over was also protecting her from Macro, in this aspect they were nullifying each other, but Seilah raw power was greater. And if these guys really defeated Aldoron they should have better abilities than Macro at their arsenal.

But was i the first to conclude this or anyone can come to the same conclusion? And i will keep treating it as a fact till i see a proof that they are stronger than Gildarts or the BDSK, but at the moment i only have evidences of the opposite.

Bird just said that Aldoron was already dead when the Lacrima start to break and Daemon melting could be what helped in the lacrima destruction. But if the group of Gaia, who called Hoteye a strong wizard, is indeed so powerful i guess they won't be defeated by anyone weaker than Gildarts right?

 

[Ratrace]

If Mira for example appears and beat one of them, this demon already can't be that strong.

Unless they’re able to get good feats, which is most likely not going to happen

 

[GodSlayer666]

Unless they’re able to get good feats, which is most likely not going to happen

I mean, not trying to downplay Mira, but the stakes of demons who can 6v1 a dragon god are too high for any guild member not named DF Natsu

 

[Rigel]

And Mira's Take Over was also protecting her from Macro, in this aspect they were nullifying each other, but Seilah raw power was greater. And if these guys really defeated Aldoron they should have better abilities than Macro at their arsenal.

But was i the first to conclude this or anyone can come to the same conclusion? And i will keep treating it as a fact till i see a proof that they are stronger than Gildarts or the BDSK, but at the moment i only have evidences of the opposite.

Bird just said that Aldoron was already dead when the Lacrima start to break and Daemon melting could be what helped in the lacrima destruction. But if the group of Gaia, who called Hoteye a strong wizard, is indeed so powerful i guess they won't be defeated by anyone weaker than Gildarts right?

Raw power wouldn't be a factor for Mirajane against the other demons, as Take Over would work on them. That's the point, Seilah ignored this due to Macro, just like Mirajane ignored Macro with Take Over. But we're talking about Mira's power, so she would still be defeating the other demons with her hax.

The lacrima was still standing when Erza arrived. After the demons explain that they killed Aldoron, the lacrima begins to collapse.

There are no other things in the manga other than that. Theories are theories until the author confirms them.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Raw power wouldn't be a factor for Mirajane against the other demons, as Take Over would work on them. That's the point, Seilah ignored this due to Macro, just like Mirajane ignored Macro with Take Over. But we're talking about Mira's power, so she would still be defeating the other demons with her hax.

The lacrima was still standing when Erza arrived. After the demons explain that they killed Aldoron, the lacrima begins to collapse.

There are no other things in the manga other than that. Theories are theories until the author confirms them.

So Aldoron's executioners really don't have anything to counter Mirajane's Take Over? This Take Over is that massive Win Button against demons even if they are massively stronger than her? Firsly they hardly wouldn't have any hax to counter it in that case, secondly Take Over is not that broken, there are restrictions for it if the creature is much stronger than you, Elfman lost control when he used it against that beast and almost killed Lisanna.

I see it as a Kenshiro moment till the demons show they are stronger than Gildarts and BDSK.

Actually there are other things like Gaia calling Hoteye a strong wizard, Bird being too slow for Racer and Midnight harming Zero. Even though it don't directly correlate with Aldoron death it supports the impossibility of his death being a result of a direct fight

 

[Ratrace]

I mean, not trying to downplay Mira, but the stakes of demons who can 6v1 a dragon god are too high for any guild member not named DF Natsu

It also depends on how they won as well

 

[Rigel]

So Aldoron's executioners really don't have anything to counter Mirajane's Take Over? This Take Over is that massive Win Button against demons even if they are massively stronger than her? Firsly they hardly wouldn't have any hax to counter it in that case, secondly Take Over is not that broken, there are restrictions for it if the creature is much stronger than you, Elfman lost control when he used it against that beast and almost killed Lisanna.

I see it as a Kenshiro moment till the demons show they are stronger than Gildarts and BDSK.

Actually there are other things like Gaia calling Hoteye a strong wizard, Bird being too slow for Racer and Midnight harming Zero. Even though it don't directly correlate with Aldoron death it supports the impossibility of his death being a result of a direct fight

From what was said in the Tartarus arc, Mirajane can take control of demons without the need to absorb them, since that's how she took control of the demonic tentacle and used it to blow up the demons' laboratory.

Perhaps this ability has a limit, but it compensates for a huge difference in power, as Mira only did not defeat Seilah easily due to the Macro preventing control.

Regarding Aldoron, you are speculating things that have not been shown or assumed. Aldoron was killed and his lacrima was destroyed, that's all we know. Mashima used this situation to exalt these characters, something common that he does with groups of villains.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I mean, did she took control of Mard Geer who

From what was said in the Tartarus arc, Mirajane can take control of demons without the need to absorb them, since that's how she took control of the demonic tentacle and used it to blow up the demons' laboratory.

She took control of Mard Geer who DS Gray couldn't beat alone? What i'm saying is that there are restrictions to her Take Over, she was never shown to be able to control or absorb demons much stronger than herself. Seilah was stronger but Mard Geer was on a whole other level at the time. Demons who 1v6 Aldoron in a direct fight would be too strong for main cast, i was just talking about Gildarts level, but stopping to analyze it seriously, they should be massively above Gildarts.

FH Mavis soloed the spriggan 12 in a game, and here we are talking about a full powered dragon god. To show a solid example: Suzaku was stated to be stronger than Selene, right at the time the BDSK could be assumed to be human Acno level, but the fact is 4 human acno level villains as sub boss villains isn't viable. Then the BDSK were reduced to be around Gildarts level for viable matchups. And demons able of 6v1 Aldoron in a direct fight is simply not viable. The only ones who would be able to deal with them were the dragon gods, Faris herself, DF Natsu and maybe Athena. Forget any matchup with your favs, only the ones i mentioned are viable.

But then we find a big problem with all of that: reality. All i talked or any assumption of them being that strong feels menaingless when we face the reality of the demons struggling with oracion seis. No matter if they defeat them, they already struggled and they already didn't defeated them immediadtly, so the point of them being strong enough to 6v1 a Acnologia level dragon is already over, but if you need to see them being defeated by the main cast to realize that what can i do?

It also depends on how they won as well

Bro i totally belive that Mira is be capable of beating them, i was just pointing that if they 6v1 Aldoron in a direct fight this wouldn't be possible.

 

[Rigel]

I mean, did she took control of Mard Geer who


She took control of Mard Geer who DS Gray couldn't beat alone? What i'm saying is that there are restrictions to her Take Over, she was never shown to be able to control or absorb demons much stronger than herself. Seilah was stronger but Mard Geer was on a whole other level at the time. Demons who 1v6 Aldoron in a direct fight would be too strong for main cast, i was just talking about Gildarts level, but stopping to analyze it seriously, they should be massively above Gildarts.

FH Mavis soloed the spriggan 12 in a game, and here we are talking about a full powered dragon god. To show a solid example: Suzaku was stated to be stronger than Selene, right at the time the BDSK could be assumed to be human Acno level, but the fact is 4 human acno level villains as sub boss villains isn't viable. Then the BDSK were reduced to be around Gildarts level for viable matchups. And demons able of 6v1 Aldoron in a direct fight is simply not viable. The only ones who would be able to deal with them were the dragon gods, Faris herself, DF Natsu and maybe Athena. Forget any matchup with your favs, only the ones i mentioned are viable.

But then we find a big problem with all of that: reality. All i talked or any assumption of them being that strong feels menaingless when we face the reality of the demons struggling with oracion seis. No matter if they defeat them, they already struggled and they already didn't defeated them immediadtly, so the point of them being strong enough to 6v1 a Acnologia level dragon is already over, but if you need to see them being defeated by the main cast to realize that what can i do?



Bro i totally belive that Mira is be capable of beating them, i was just pointing that if they 6v1 Aldoron in a direct fight this wouldn't be possible.

From Mirajane's words and the explanation Hiro gave about Take Over Satan Soul, there are no impediments to her demon control abilities. Certainly, Hiro would impose some nerf on this ability if she faced Mard Geer, but that falls into the speculative field.

Regarding your analysis of power over Aldoron and the demons, that is something personal to you. This does not refute what was shown in the manga and nor does it clarify a context for these characters' victory against Aldoron, since we readers do not know these characters' abilities, we know almost nothing about them.

Speculations, theories are different from facts, things established directly in the manga. It is necessary to wait for the development, Hiro's conclusion about the power level of these characters or at least the presentation of the demons' powers to speculate more appropriately on the subject.

 

[GodSlayer666]

From Mirajane's words and the explanation Hiro gave about Take Over Satan Soul, there are no impediments to her demon control abilities. Certainly, Hiro would impose some nerf on this ability if she faced Mard Geer, but that falls into the speculative field.

Regarding your analysis of power over Aldoron and the demons, that is something personal to you. This does not refute what was shown in the manga and nor does it clarify a context for these characters' victory against Aldoron, since we readers do not know these characters' abilities, we know almost nothing about them.

Speculations, theories are different from facts, things established directly in the manga. It is necessary to wait for the development, Hiro's conclusion about the power level of these characters or at least the presentation of the demons' powers to speculate more appropriately on the subject.

He already imposing restrictions on Take Over in Elfman backstory, just saying.

Personal to me right? So the power level of demons who can 6v1 a Acnologia level dragon don't have to be that high, an dragon god whose HP was 100.000.000 while Natsu FDKM fist could only take 1 point don't have to be defeated by a team with each member massively stronger than Gildarts, this is just my opinion, each one of the 6 below Gildarts demons can easily take 1/6 of Aldoron HP

Even hax wouldn't be a excuse, even because hax merchants usually fodderize a weak opponent, and like it or not the Oracion Seis won't be fodderized, even if they get beaten they already hold their own against these demons, and the reveal of their defeat will be after other manga events that are happening. What i mean is that i'm just saying the obvious, no point in fighting against the manga. Call it as speculation as much as you want, oracion seis feat is a objective impossibility for the Aldoron defeat being in a direct fight.

 

[Rigel]

He already imposing restrictions on Take Over in Elfman backstory, just saying.

Personal to me right? So the power level of demons who can 6v1 a Acnologia level dragon don't have to be that high, an dragon god whose HP was 100.000.000 while Natsu FDKM fist could only take 1 point don't have to be defeated by a team with each member massively stronger than Gildarts, this is just my opinion, each one of the 6 below Gildarts demons can easily take 1/6 of Aldoron HP

Even hax wouldn't be a excuse, even because hax merchants usually fodderize a weak opponent, and like it or not the Oracion Seis won't be fodderized, even if they get beaten they already hold their own against these demons, and the reveal of their defeat will be after other manga events that are happening. What i mean is that i'm just saying the obvious, no point in fighting against the manga. Call it as speculation as much as you want, oracion seis feat is a objective impossibility for the Aldoron defeat being in a direct fight.

It's personal to you, as these power rankings you're making are just your opinion. No one is forced to agree.

That's why I'm waiting for Mashima to minimally develop (we know almost nothing about them) these characters to give an opinion.

 

[Darklord#10]

It's personal to you, as these power rankings you're making are just your opinion. No one is forced to agree.

That's why I'm waiting for Mashima to minimally develop (we know almost nothing about them) these characters to give an opinion.

Natsu >>>them. That's all that matters

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@MyaHeart35 @Ronin31 explain this to me if Irene is on zeref's level of power. According to Irene it was mere child's play. So explain this to me I'm lost

 

[Ratrace]

Bro i totally belive that Mira is be capable of beating them, i was just pointing that if they 6v1 Aldoron in a direct fight this wouldn't be possible.

Not if only won because they have some special abilities that allows them to harm dragons like some form of dragon slayer magic.

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Based on this right here a character may need dragon slayer magic to destroy the lacrima

 

[GodSlayer666]

Not if only won because they have some special abilities that allows them to harm dragons like some form of dragon slayer magic.

I'm trying to explain this to Rigel too, even the hax merchants easily defeats their opponents if they are too weak, Oracion Seis giving trouble to Oracion Sechs end any possibility of a direct fight

Based on this right here a character may need dragon slayer magic to destroy the lacrima

Brandish finding out that dragon slayer can destroy the lacrima don't nullfies the possibily of other ability being able to destroy it too

It's personal to you, as these power rankings you're making are just your opinion. No one is forced to agree.

That's why I'm waiting for Mashima to minimally develop (we know almost nothing about them) these characters to give an opinion.

Now i will make a question that anyone here can answer, and i ask for a honest answer: How can the 6 demons who defeated Aldoron in a direct fight, struggle with Oracion Seis? No evasions, i want a objective and direct answer for that.

Powerscaling wise it is such an absurd that not even hax can excuse. What i'm trying to say is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the demons to meet expectations of a group who defeated Aldoron in a direct fight, same way it was impossible for the BDSK to be a group of 4 human acno level mages. You can go and fight reality saying it's just my opinion as much as you want, the manga already debunked it and will keep it that way no matter if the oracion seis is defeated or not.

 

[Rigel]

I'm trying to explain this to Rigel too, even the hax merchants easily defeats their opponents if they are too weak, Oracion Seis giving trouble to Oracion Sechs end any possibility of a direct fight



Brandish finding out that dragon slayer can destroy the lacrima don't nullfies the possibily of other ability being able to destroy it too



Now i will make a question that anyone here can answer, and i ask for a honest answer: How can the 6 demons who defeated Aldoron in a direct fight, struggle with Oracion Seis? No evasions, i want a objective and direct answer for that.

Powerscaling wise it is such an absurd that not even hax can excuse. What i'm trying to say is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the demons to meet expectations of a group who defeated Aldoron in a direct fight, same way it was impossible for the BDSK to be a group of 4 human acno level mages. You can go and fight reality saying it's just my opinion as much as you want, the manga already debunked it and will keep it that way no matter if the oracion seis is defeated or not.

In short, you have nothing more than a theory, which you want to justify based on the fact that the demons are facing the old Oración Seis. This is irrelevant since you cannot create a narrative and claim it to be true. After all, it doesn't exist in the manga.

By the way, the demons did not display any of their abilities in this confrontation. You cannot make these unfounded allegations when you have not seen the development of this fight.

What you are trying to do is create an endless discussion based on a powerscaling you developed with minimal information from this confrontation. Also, Hiro Mashima doesn’t write the manga based on the powerscaling you create.

A theory remains a theory, not a fact. You have already been refuted on Reddit for spreading this misinformation, and now you are presenting this powerscaling argument as if it would clarify a context not shown in the manga, in addition to contradicting the scenes in the manga.

 

[GodSlayer666]

In short, you have nothing more than a theory, which you want to justify based on the fact that the demons are facing the old Oración Seis. This is irrelevant since you cannot create a narrative and claim it to be true. After all, it doesn't exist in the manga.

So Gaia calling Hoteye a strong wizard, Bird being too slow for Racer, Cobra blocking Blade, Midnight harming Zero are all only my theories of mine, seems fair Oracion Seis fighting is irrelevant, ok demons strong enough to beat Aldoron in a direct fight can struggle with Oracion Seis as much as they want and everyone has to accept that they fought directly with Aldoron no matter what happens in the manga, fine bro, fine

Again, Gaia calling Hoteye a strong wizard, Bird being too slow for Racer, Cobra blocking Blade, Midnight harming Zero are just my unfounded allegations right? You who think oracion seis are jokes who already lost 3 times have the demons who are struggling with them as the most powerful 100YQ villain group but my reasoning is the unfounded one What can i say man?

A theory remains a theory, not a fact. You have already been refuted on Reddit for spreading this misinformation, and now you are presenting this powerscaling argument as if it would clarify a context not shown in the manga, in addition to contradicting the scenes in the manga.

So i was refuted huh LOL, can you say who refuted me then, if i indeed not replied him i want to reply him now. And i'm not the only who talk about this like i said, Ninja_SurgeFairy who i disagree with most of the time is spreading it more than me, was him refuted too?

explain this to me if Irene is on zeref's level of power. According to Irene it was mere child's play. So explain this to me I'm lost

Ask JustsomeSpaceG1 how Irene is Igneel level here