Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Boomburst]

Laxus' nuke is WAYY larger than Dimaira's Chronos activation, stop just stop it. Laxus' nukes reached high enough to the point where it was parting clouds, do you know how high clouds can be in the sky? Up to 6KM, just based on that it it's larger than Dimaria's blast not to mention the blast's width is similar to its height.



August says losing a comrade is a terrible thing implying Aizr would have died, to back this up Azir questions August thinking he would have died. As regards to Azir I'd take August's words over his any day, Azir himself is cocky and even after that he wanted to invade by himself and we've seen August would only step in if his ally REALLY needed help (Refer to when he stops Jacob in the Serena fight because he knew he would be fine)

I don't think he would have died but it's implied he would have or at least would have gotten fucked up badly by a casual swipe from Laxus.

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There is NO BLOOD PEIORD, just because it's red doesn't mean it's blood.


No the FACT THAT WHAL WAS NOT DAMAGED IT PURELY DUE TO LIGHTNING IMMUNITY, WAHL SAYS THIS HIMSELF. If you get one shotted you far below someone.

Laxus would dodge Etheroin first thing first, that is not the same as the Council's one so it's not country level, second thing just because it's Island level doesn't mean it has AoE as large as an Island, in fact we saw it charging up and the beam didn't look large at all, in fact it looked smaller than the one he used from the boat, Laxus can dodge.



LOL. Wahl himself has cancelled out MBP against Laxus and Macro couldn't even knock out all of Wahl's footsoldiers. How is fodderizing the GoI+Jura impressive, they all seem largely weaker than current Erza. Brandish is the second weakest Spirggan, I don't care if she can shrink an Island, Jacob soloing a guild when all the members is sooo impressive (sarcasm), while Wahl is a robot and is able t lock onto prey the sucking him dry wouldn't do anything because he doesn't have a human anatomy.


Baseless? I'm not the one assuming a magic Laxus is on par with Gildarts? I'm not the one assuming everything. You bring up my replies I haven't even done anything to you, in fact, the only people I'm overly sarcastic and disrespectful to is probably BP and Jko.

Even if the beam of Etherion wasn't island level, it still has enough power to destroy an island, so I'm assuming that Laxus would still get caught in the blast regardless.

Mercury fulminate is WHITE, which means there must have been something else mixed with the lightning to give it its red color, so it's not unreasonable to believe that there was blood in it.

Laxus did end up oneshotting him, but that was only because he outsmarted Wahl and ended up immobilizing him for a bit with his system errors and stuff. You say that Laxus could have dodged Etherion, then I say that if it weren't for Laxus outsmarting him then Wahl could have dodged Red Lightning. It was very fortunate that Wahl happened to be a robot because if Laxus was fighting a human instead I don't think he would have won as easily. If Wahl ended up immobilizing Laxus for a couple of seconds and oneshot him with Etherion, would you be claiming that Wahl is far superior to Laxus?

 

[Demon Hunter]

I don't see your post's relevance at all. outsmarting someone is a part of the battle especially when you are sick as hell. plus Laxus is faster. if he had RL right off the bat then he would have catch up to him and then its game over.

 

[Boomburst]

I don't see your post's relevance at all. outsmarting someone is a part of the battle especially when you are sick as hell. plus Laxus is faster. if he had RL right off the bat then he would have catch up to him and then its game over.

How do we know Laxus is faster?

I'm well aware that outsmarting someone is just part of the battle, I was just talking about the claim that because he oneshot Wahl, that makes him far above him. I was just pointing out that Laxus needed very specific circumstances to be able to oneshot Wahl, and because of that I don't think it makes sense to put Laxus leagues above him.

 

[Demon Hunter]

How do we know Laxus is faster?

I'm well aware that outsmarting someone is just part of the battle, I was just talking about the claim that because he oneshot Wahl, that makes him far above him. I was just pointing out that Laxus needed very specific circumstances to be able to oneshot Wahl, and because of that I don't think it makes sense to put Laxus leagues above him.

he dodged his bullets and blitzed him a few time.

eh he is not leagues above Wahl. Wahl is one of the strongest Spriggans. its just that his immunity is basically what's saving him from getting smashed to pieces and Laxus' sickness obviously. also, he can cast Fairy Law.

 

[Woodenstool]

he dodged his bullets and blitzed him a few time.

eh he is not leagues above Wahl. Wahl is one of the strongest Spriggans. its just that his immunity is basically what's saving him from getting smashed to pieces and Laxus' sickness obviously. also, he can cast Fairy Law.

Do you think Dimaria can kill August or Irene with her time magic?

 

[Jko]

This logic doesn't work at all. Wendy has been KO'd or near KO'd a handful of times in every arc she's been in, she should be beyond dead. In fact, Age Scratch after just two hard fought battles should KO the person. But it did not, in fact, it hardly even hindered her as she attacked Dimaria the very next second. What Age scratch does is bring back the pain from before, but it doesn't manifest the actual physical injuries. Its not that much more haxxed then Kyoukas pain curse in that regard.

Wendy actually only been neared KOed twice and when she was hit by the attack she only had her past pained from previous arcs not her current one also. If you have fought against a lot of enemies and been near death multiple times then Age Scratch would be able to KO you.

We know what Irene does, she doesn't manipulate time. August might because he is hyped to know a plethora of different types of magic but thats besides the point. Your downright claiming that Age Seal is impossible to beat through sheer power alone, but thats not the case because if it had been, Acnologia wouldn't be the biggest threat right now. Its as simple as that. Dimaria was never portrayed as anything beyond regular Spriggan level so assuming that Irene and August are only above her because they have the perfect counter to Age Seal makes for a argument full of flaws. Occams Razor.

Irene did one new magic she just learned and couple basic spells against Acnologia and you think we know her magic through and through? Not to mention her new magic she just learned possessed the properties of Reality Warping which is greater than timestop. August probably has time related abilities and Acnologia knows every forms of magic so he obviously has a counter for timestop and he also has his Dragon Resistance. If they didn't have a counter to her timestop then they'd be a lot weaker than her. She could just stop time and stabb them in the head.

See, I personally see that as an excuse as to justify why Dimaria can't kill Acnologia as to maintain the credibility of a No-Limits-Fallacy-Age-Seal while falling in line with the facts established in the manga. It doesn't work, especially with the recent events of Brandish effortlessly stabbing through the mighty August with an elongated regular dagger. If a character is caught off guard, anything sharp and above jobber level should be injuring them. Human Acnologia is no exception (dragon Acnologia has hardened skin so that becomes more problematic). More importantly, we can't skip over the fact that Zeref can also stop time and he did not use said ability against human Acnologia. Someone of Zerefs caliber is probably even stronger then human Acnologia himself, let alone strong enough to injure him. And why not have Dimaria use Age Seal while all the Spriggans including the emperor himself spam him with magic, or are you going to say he could tank that as well?

No Limits Fallacy has nothing to do with Age Seal. Do you even know what the term means? There is no limit to stopping time unless you have a counter or resistance to it. Lol you're comparing August durability with Acnologia??? You're kidding right because we have actually seen that normal methods such as guns or swords have no effect on Acnologia. Zeref already knows he cannot put down Acnologia down with just his magic that's why he trying to get Fairy Heart to bomb Acnologia with infinite Etherion and he most likely knows Acno has resistance or a counter to it. Acnologia has seen every forms of magic too.

We don't know if it worked on everyone in South. Gray and Erza could have been fighting jobber somewhere else and Laxus was taking a rest in isolation after just having a near death experience (Not that Erza and Gray are all that strong, comparatively speaking). Dimaria doesn't affect the entire planet with Age Seal, she probably just occupies a small space around her, she wasn't pronounced defeated in a split second by the guild (which should be further proof that she doesn't directly tap into time itself, the notion of which I find rather ridiculous). Her Age Seal is likely nothing more then a far more potent version of Racers ability and she outright deems her God Soul superior to Age Seal. How can Age Seal work on someone who is stronger then the power she deems superior to Age Seal? So many flaws in the argument (beyond the glaring no limits fallacy) I can't really be bothered. I think I discussed the subject enough and shared my opinion enough, though I'm still open for occasional discussion.

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She stopped the flow of time in the city too as you can see the clock froze in time and Gray and everyone where on the battlefield and in the city so again she stopped the flow of time of everyone in the South battlefield. Her Age Seal stops the flow of time that infinitely greater than Racer's ability which only distorts your perception . The guild can only see dots on a screen they can't actually see the in fights . Her God Soul CHRONOS can control time itself so ofc it would be stronger then her Age Seal .

No, after she said it Dimaria teased her as her clothes ripped to shreds which means that Dimaria actually cut her clothes and got back to her spot while Kagura was there claiming that the battlefield froze.

I don't buy it at all. She conveniently uses the metaphor of time which we know is Dimarias ability and as she is thinking it while Dimaria is using her Age Seal. Dimaria is not instant, in fact she has shown that she likes to tease the frozen bodies so there was most certainly more then enough time for Kagura to think to herself. On top of that you'd even have to stretch your argument further to cover the fact that Kagura only sensed her MP after she parried the blow, when we have seen that strong MP is sensed even before the character is downright seen (ie Acnologia) or at least at first presence/appearance (ie Brandish, Ajeel). You see, your argument here requires far too many conveniences.

It's just a metaphor, Kagura didn't know jack squat of anything happening and it's clear as day you're just ignoring facts at this point. Kagura did only sense her magic wth are you talking about? No one in the South knew of Dimaria ability until Ultear came? Do I need to post all the chapters with her in it or what?

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Here's another translation and as I said it was on metaphorical.

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Why? She was still not strong enough to downright counter it. Sherria and Lyon turned around right before Dimaria used Age Seal.

She never froze the battlefield until the next page. How the fudge did Sherria who was easily frozen in time look back when time was frozen? She stopped time in the next page.

Yeah because everyone else on the battlefield were fodder. Kagura was strong enough to resist the technique to an extent (have a thought process) but even she couldn't completely resist the effects.

Kagura did not resist it as I said before she didn't even know wth was happening. She was in now way resisting technique and your Age Seal only works on fodder argument is just full of BS.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Do you think Dimaria can kill August or Irene with her time magic?

I would rather not go into that discussion. its very hard to place hax characters against top tiers.

 

[Jko]

I hope you're joking, Laxus is stronger.

Lol, please stop Laxus would get sh!t stomped by either. He's only basic S12 level he ain't nowhere near the high ups.

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People need to stop with Laxus is superior to Wahl because he isn't. He has the power of plot on his side so ofc he'd win with those disadvantages. Lol, Wahl is the one who had the real disadvantage, he had to go against plot which render him an idiot and stopped him from just killing everyone with Etherion. Etherion > RL so again Wahl is no way weaker than Laxus, he just lucky these guys aren't bloodlusted or the 12 would have ended this entire war in a day.

 

[Crimson Ice]

People having no actual arguments so they cry plot......tsk tsk tsk

 

[Woodenstool]

Lol, please stop Laxus would get sh!t stomped by either. He's only basic S12 level he ain't nowhere near the high ups.

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People need to stop with Laxus is superior to Wahl because he isn't. He has the power of plot on his side so ofc he'd win with those disadvantages. Lol, Wahl is the one who had the real disadvantage, he had to go against plot which render him an idiot and stopped him from just killing everyone with Etherion. Etherion > RL so again Wahl is no way weaker than Laxus, he just lucky these guys aren't bloodlusted or the 12 would have ended this entire war in a day.

And plot put him with an enemy that can counter his attacks easily.

 

[Jko]

And plot put him with an enemy that can counter his attacks easily.

Yes but it made him mentally retarded. Wahl bloodlusted with zero PIS would have one shotted with Etherion.

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People having no actual arguments so they cry plot......tsk tsk tsk

Because we all know Laxus could tank Etherion... Oh wait he can't.

 

[Jko]

Because that's the exact same Etherion as the Magic Council's?.......Oh wait it isn't. Keep crying.

Has his Etherion ever been stated to be weaker than the council's...Oh wait it hasn't. Has there ever been a different Etherion... Oh wait there hasn't. Is Wahl greatly superior to a room full of fodder that only needed an hour to charge it...Oh wait he is.

 

[Demon Hunter]

oh please. do you know how big country really is? he would probably beat Acnologia with couple of his Etherion shots. he charged it with one hand lol.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Has his Etherion ever been stated to be weaker than the council's...Oh wait it hasn't. Has there ever been a different Etherion... Oh wait there hasn't. Is Wahl greatly superior to a room full of fodder that only needed an hour to charge it...Oh wait he is.

The power of his Etherion hasn't been stated period and considering the Spirggans were driven off by Face and Etherion I doubt that's the case. Etherion isn't a weapon it's a bunch of different elemental magic put together. And no the fodder themselves aren't charging the canon with their own MP either, so no.


Yeah this isn't getting the benefit of the doubt:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net..._Cannon.png/revision/latest?cb=20160617205315


Over This:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...therion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100621131802

 

[Xzilerate]

People actually think Wahl's etherion has the same destructive capacity as the Council's?

 

[Indira]

So can we say Natsu wouldn't have defeated Bluenote or the War God by himself, but only won because of power of plot?
It's fair game then.

 

[Jko]

The power of his Etherion hasn't been stated period and considering the Spirggans were driven off by Face and Etherion I doubt that's the case. Etherion isn't a weapon it's a bunch of different elemental magic put together. And no the fodder themselves aren't charging the canon with their own MP either, so no.


Yeah this isn't getting the benefit of the doubt:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytail/images/b/bd/Wahl's_Etherion_Cannon.png/revision/latest?cb=20160617205315


Over This:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...therion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100621131802

They were never driven out by Etherion or Face. They backed off because Zeref has told them too. Etherion > RL and would have disintegrated Laxus. Again where has it ever stated his Etherion was different from the Council's? Has there ever been a different Etherion? Etherion is a weapon which is charged by multiple elemental magics, and guess who specializes in weapons and can use any element...Wahl. Again they were charging Etherion with their power for an hour this how they activate the weapon.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Wahl' Anti - Material Magic Cannon was stated to bust the Hargeon. lets say that Etherion is Wahl' strongest attack. I would put it probably on the level of Laxus' casual nuke and FDKM Natsu Demolition Punch and Roar.

 

[Jko]

So can we say Natsu wouldn't have defeated Bluenote or the War God by himself, but only won because of power of plot?
It's fair game then.

Those are literally one shots which Laxus never did and did Bluenote or Iku become clinically retarded when they fought Natsu? What was PS was Jacob versus Natsu.

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Wahl' Anti - Material Magic Cannon was stated to bust the Hargerion. lets say that Etherion is Wahl' strongest attack. I would put it probably on the level of Laxus' casual nuke and FDKM Natsu Demolition Punch and roar.

Wahl's Anti-Matter Canon traveled 400 KM that's a lot greater than Laxus's nuke and FDKM, not to mention the circumference off Hargeon is much bigger in AoE than Laxus or Natsu attacks.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Wahl's Anti-Matter Canon traveled 400 KM that's a lot greater than Laxus's nuke and FDKM, not to mention the circumference off Hargeon is much bigger in AoE than Laxus or Natsu attacks.

its greater when it comes to travel distance (its similar to Roars) but the most important thing is what it does when it hits the target.