Nope , there's a lots of magic and spell that doesn't have a super big nuke but still super powerful . Like acnologia one shots GS... Lucy UM... fairy glitter.... time manipulation... erza nakagami... etc .
just becoz the nuke is super big doesn't mean that it's stronger than the small nuke .
I'm not choosing any side , Mira or Laxus . I do agree with some of @Char post but I do agree on some of @BluePegasus post too .
Mira casually use a big attack , and it's not even her strongest spell .
Like I said, size is one factor that goes into determining which attacks are stronger. To say that it's completely irrelevant is silly. That's not to say factors can't be more important than size, such as durability of opponent and how much damage you deal. In this case:
Mirajane's nuke in Satan Soul did negligible damage to Juliet and Heine.
Mitrajane's attack in Alegria Soul consumed most of her magical power.
Laxus' nuke was also casual. Whilst it was blocked by August, it was hyped to have been enough to take out Ajeel.
Laxus' red lightning punches took out Wahl, whom he smashed.
Laxus later went on to fight Hades, and took him out with lightning dragon's Jaw.
Wahl + Hades > Juliet + Heine.
Laxus is dealing more damage to stronger opponents. And his attacks are larger.
People are seriously overrating Mirajane. People have went as far as to say Juliet and Hyien are around Kagura's and Minerva's level. Like are people being serious right?
Unsheathed Kagura sword is around the level of Jupiter. No way in the world does any of Irene lackeys have the power to compete with Jupiter.
I mean look at the damage Kagura's unsheathed sword is doing. Then look at the damage these fodder are doing:
Compared to Minerva:
vs
Mirajane Nuke:
Minerva drastically wins as far as nuke power goes.
Kagura unsheathed sword vs Mirajane Algeria attack:
Point blank at this point honestly feat wise:
Kagura>=Minerva>>Mirajane>Hyien/Juliet
Also as far as this feat is concerned:
Lucy's magical power did a similar thing in the Tartarous arc when she summoned the CSK.
Also before someone say it was because Aquarius left it wasn't as that water came from Plutogrim and was there way before Aquarius was even summoned.
So honestly I don't get why people are acting as though that puts Mirajane magical power above others when it doesn't.
Nope , there's a lots of magic and spell that doesn't have a super big nuke but still super powerful . Like acnologia one shots GS... Lucy UM... fairy glitter.... time manipulation... erza nakagami... etc .
just becoz the nuke is super big doesn't mean that it's stronger than the small nuke .
I'm not choosing any side , Mira or Laxus . I do agree with some of @Char post but I do agree on some of @BluePegasus post too .
Mira casually use a big attack , and it's not even her strongest spell .
Dude half the things you listed off aren't even nukes. Acnologia ripped GS apart with his claws, Erza's attack is a sword slash, and time manipulation isn't even an attack at all.
Even if size isn't the end all be all, there's still the fact that Laxus' attacks have taken out stronger enemies than Mirajane's. Really, larger size is just the cherry on top, and the issue only came up because someone was trying to claim Mirajane's attacks were comparable to Laxus' nuke in scale.
Woah there, I definitely agree that Mirajane is being drastically overrated but she's definitely a lot stronger then Pre-TS Kagura and Minerva as she is now. Her Alegria form is the culmination of all the power she absorbed from Tartarus, that's power from the likes of Mard and the 9DG (although its drawback is that its very temporary). That's a massive amount of power with which she could easily stomp the likes of Pre-TS Kagura/Minerva. As a matter of fact she can just turn into Mard himself and make quick work of them, she should be able to sustain Mard Geer Take-Over for longer. Current Kagura and Minerva are kinda featless so I have no comment on them. At the bare minimum current Mira is Mard Tiered, although with Alegria and the sheer versatility of powers she has at her disposal I would like to think she's a tier above him. Still, to say she's Laxus tiered is definitely stretching it a lot.
Also a note on Kaguras power. Its worth noting that she cuts, so its far more concentrated then Jupiter. While she could make a cut with the force of Jupiter, a cut wouldn't be anywhere near as dangerous/lethal as being burned by Jupiter itself. So technically Jupiter is still a vastly superior attack then Kaguras cuts, although it does need charging time.
I don't put Kagura's sheathed sword at Jupiter level. Jupiter obliterated Erza's armour and took Erza out for a while. Kagura cut through the armour and broke it, causing some injuries to Erza. Jupiter caused more damage. I might say Kagura's attack was close in potency (it's what swords do), but the overall damage and power in Jupiter is much greater.
You don't think size has any relevance to someone's magical power? Both Brandish and Ajeel were considered impressive because of the scale of their attacks.
I understand if you don't think size means everything - I don't either. But that doesn't mean size means nothing. If everything else is equal, then bigger attacks tend to be more impressive.
But you understand that Laxus' attack being bigger is not the only point we're making to argue that Laxus' attack is stronger than Mirajane's, right?
There are multiple reasons one attack can be stronger than another. Size is one of them.
There are multiple reasons why Laxus's attack is stronger than Mirajane's. Being larger is one of them.
He's not saying size means that it's stronger 100%, he's saying that if an attack is larger it's LIKELY to be stronger. It's just something to take into consideration when determining the strength of an attack.
I don't think bigger attacks necessarily mean more impressive, Sting's Holy Nova and Holy Breath covered the entire stadium,that was the largest AOE spell in all the matchups within the stadium, and it did squat to Natsu and Gajeel when it came to it..
Smaller attacks can be impressive and more lethal, none of Cobra's attacks have a large AOE and they are fully capable of taking down powerful mages in their own right..
I don't think bigger attacks necessarily mean more impressive, Sting's Holy Nova and Holy Breath covered the entire stadium,that was the largest AOE spell in all the matchups within the stadium, and it did squat to Natsu and Gajeel when it came to it..
Smaller attacks can be impressive and more lethal, none of Cobra's attacks have a large AOE and they are fully capable of taking down powerful mages in their own right..
I don't think bigger attacks necessarily mean more impressive, Sting's Holy Nova and Holy Breath covered the entire stadium,that was the largest AOE spell in all the matchups within the stadium, and it did squat to Natsu and Gajeel when it came to it..
Smaller attacks can be impressive and more lethal, none of Cobra's attacks have a large AOE and they are fully capable of taking down powerful mages in their own right..
It should be noted that Holy Nova didn't do anything because Natsu (somehow...) blocked it (with one hand....). Apart from that I agree, I usually rank attacks by measuring their:
There's a lots of other ways to measure the strength of an attack .
How big it is shouldn't be taken into consideration .
And I said STRENGTH. please don't speculate my words . I said what i said. Don't just assume things .
Um...I said strength too, so idk what you're trying to say
Why can't the size of a nuke be taken into consideration? A larger nuke is likely to be more powerful than a smaller nuke, it's pretty simple. Again, it's not 100%, but it's a good indicator. And seeing as how in this situation we don't really have too much else to go off of, I don't see what the problem is with taking the sizes into account.
I don't know what else to say. Size is a factor in determining what attacks are stronger, because larger attacks tend to take more magical power. This is why the Spriggans are considered to be on a different level when they displayed their AoE feats, and that is why attacks like August's nuke are considered to be stronger than attacks by weaker Spriggans. This doesn't mean that size is the only thing that matters. I will definitely accept that some smaller attacks can do more damage. But you certainly shouldn't ignore size altogether, especially not for attacks that deal with explosions.
In the case of Laxus and Mirajane, nobody is saying Laxus' nuke being larger than Mirajane's is the only reason it's stronger. Mirajane's nuke in Satan Soul barely damaged Juliet and Heine. Laxus' nuke was implied to be able to do significant damage to Ajeel had August not blocked it. Even if Ajeel only received minor scratches, Laxus' nuke would still be more impressive unless Juliet and Heine had Ajeel's durability.
As a matter of fact, that wasn't so inaccurate since she could've taken her out had she had her two eyes. Her stone eyes are haxy.
If a character is stated to be the strongest human in Fiore (only below the 4 GoI), I have to believe the one who says such a thing has knowledge to back it up. Ooba is a knowledgeable person, she wouldn't say such a thing so boldly. Of course she was a little bit wrong since there was one person who could rival and extreme diff him: Laxus. But she wasn't so biased since, apart from Laxus and maybe Jellal, there literally was no-one stronger than him in Fiore at that moment. Maybe Glidartz but again, another exception.
It's clear by feats and hype Jura was superior to anything Mira/Erza could offer. Even more so if one of them says it'd take the two of them to MAYBE beat him. So, yeah, that's the truth. If you don't want to understand that it's on you.
What has GMG Erza shown to you that could actually make you think she can even push Jura to high difficulty? Because IMO, Jura should handily mid diff her at most.
While Erza made up for the 7 years gap by means of a second origin, let's remember Jellal was in jail for most of that time. So he didn't have time to train that much. And still, whereas pre-ts Cobra managed to own Erza, GMG Jellal managed to own the current O6 with moderate difficulty so
GMG Jellal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O6 Erza
Don't be so cocky. You're the one who's been proven to be wrong by many other members apart from me. If any you're the one who should reconsider their standards.
BoFT Laxus >> Erza or Mira
BoFT Laxus >= Erza + Mira
The only reason Laxus lost to Natsu+Gajeel, who're below Erza+Mira, is because he had spent a lot of MP on Fairy Law and he was tired after these things to destroy Magnolia, fighting Erza and Mystgun etc.
Tenrou Laxus >>>> Mira or Erza (while Erza struggled against Azuma, Laxus was beating Hades up)
Tenrou Laxus > Erza + Mira
GMG Laxus >>> GMG Mira or Erza
GMG Laxus > GMG Mira + Erza (feat wise, Laxus no diffed a Tartaros demon, Erza extreme diffed one. Yeah Kyoka was stronger but still. Also, Mira lost to one)
I am being cocky? People have proven me wrong. Are you trolling? Or is this indication of how smart you are.
No one has given me any Jura feat that put him above erza. Non of his attack would put erza down. On top of that he has no durability feat.
You keep on repeating he has better feats does not gives him feat.
I have already proven hype can be wrong. No matter how knowledgeable one is
Markarov statement about erza and laxus
So why should I believe that old arrogant lady?
Proof why only jellal and laxus can take him? Mavis clearly thought no one can. So if they can why cant erza?
Please don't give me laxus is that strong so Jura is that strong thus laxus is stronger than erza. Stop giving circular argument which start and end at the same point.
Start from beginning how laxus is Mira + erza
And don't lie. Like laxus was beating up Hades. Because he only landed one hit once Hades started to fight.
Yes Jura had hype going for him. Just like sting had hype going for him. We all know how that ended.
First please stop lying
Erza was attacking cobra when racer tried to blitz her from behind. When that didn't work hoteye sneak attacked erza.
You can lie all you want. That wont change it.
Moderate difficulties
Jellal used his strongest attack and was banged up by just three member. So stop lying
Pos ts jellal >> pre ts erza.
And I am being considerate. Erza knew nothing about their magic and it was a sneak attack. Meanwhile jellal knew everything about them and went all out. More than when he fought Jura.
And you mean deaf dumb blind senseless with extreme pain erza completely knocked out etherios koyoka who was becoming stronger every second with a punch.
Compared to laxus using his one his most strongest attacks on the weaker demon head. And still not knocking him out. And that demon still had ability to do magic or curse or whatever.
And its not like erza didn't try what laxus did. I mean she did send koyoka through the entire cube. Its not her fault she met such strong opponent unlike laxus opponent who gave up from a attack that just made a small crater.
You know I have no problem in believe Jura hype but then I need little proof.
But then you people come
Either you are lying
Or repeating laxus >>>>>>> erza
Comparing half dead erza to full powered laxus.
Making assumptions to prove the hype you want.
Or believe hypes Selectively
People literally start foaming at the mouth once someone says erza = laxus
Why are you people so venomous about this.
They were like only two people who acted like normal people.
Can people give a god damn proof with out putting bs in it.
Here how you can do it
Pre ts
Erza >> natsu
This is my claim ok
Proof
Natsu was losing to blinded aria and he wasn't able to hurt him at all. A wrecked erza one shotted full powered aria with her medium level attack
Natsu is said to be equal to gray. Gray got one shoted along with elfman . While José couldn't finish off erza till markarov arrived
Racer was enough to take out natsu and three fodders and even landed hits on gray at the same time. While three OS members ganged up on erza to take her out.
Natsu is around gajeel level. Pantherlily fought on par with gajeel for awhile. The very next arc a weaker version of erza opponent oneshotted lily along with two other people
And
HYPE
This allows me to say pre ts erza is alot stronger than natsu.
Give me proof like this.
Instead of saying ogra a feetless mage is on same tier as erza
Or laxus is stronger than erza thus he can easily handle Jupiter so kagura strike is not impressive. So Jura feats are above erza thus laxus is stronger than erza
Don't make any assumption to prove your own assumption
First remove that arrogance you have. Imagine everyone think erza = laxus
And then give proofs. Without any assumptions from your side that this is wrong
That actually laxus > Mira + erza.
And I will actually believe you.
I understand where both sides are coming from; & I especially understand that sharkai is a debating fiercely against many to abstain from bias argumentation.
I may not like Erza myself; but it's a ridiculous to compare her performance to Laxus's performance when she wasn't 100%...
And sure Gramps considered Jura on par with Gildarts, & Erza also praised his power so highly; but that has little bases in deciding what the outcome would be if an actual fight occurred between them then -- especially if you consider that Erza had hyped up Natsu to be so powerful in the beginning, yet she'd unquestionably & decisively end Natsu's ass in real fight at the time.
Hype gets the audience pumped-up for Feats but if Feats contradicts Hype, Hype is automatically invalid; so really, try not believing in Hype so much lest you're disappointed.
Sting never saw Acnologia, while Mira herself has felt Jura's own magic power and has observed him in battle. Keep trying, though.
What durability is this? And no she didn't one shot anything, everyone in that 3 way battle took multiple blows prior.
Orga was prepared for Jura, he was aware and wasn't caught off guard, Orga flat out got blizted and one shotted, to further the point there was no ! or ? when it happened which is normally there when people are caught off guard. Jura was said to be on the same level as Gildarts and took multiple blows from Zeref, he's not glass canon another baseless statement.
Yeah, GMG Jura's feats are above GMG Erza's, along with superior portrayal.
Jupiter wouldn't kill Laxus, that's another thing you pulled out of your ass, Erza at BoS could withstand and Laxus is wayy stronger than her, heck BoS Erza was Natsu level who was all round inferior to Laxus.
Yes, BoS Laxus was, the most impressive thing Makarov could do BoS was Fairy Law and so could Laxus while Laxus was flat out more impressive outside FL.
It shows Makarov betting on Gray to beat Laxus.......
Erza flat out says to Jose Natsu is just as strong if not stronger than her. Please tell me about these statements in the under the right context and circumstances are incorrect because all you're saying is, HERP DERP STATEMENTS AREN'T VALID while ignoring the circumstances.
She wouldn't, by her own admission Natsu is on her level while Gajeel should be close to Natsu also. Erza wouldn't even win against both of them let alone stomp them. As for Aria, the fight between Natsu and Aria was because Aria uses wind magic which is a poor matchup for a fire mage like Natsu. Laxus DIDN'T NEED to use his strongest attacks to put Gajeel down, both Natsu and Gajeel were incapacitated after one roar from Laxus
The S-Class exam is irrelevant because Natsu, Gray and Gajeel are the only strong ones and they'd never be on the same team together.
Natsu WASN'T STRONGER THAN LAXUS. Laxus started to lose once he failed Fairy Law and it consumed A LOT of Laxus' magic power. Laxus himself was stomping both Gajeel and Natsu before that and Natsu would have lost twice if he wasn't saved by Gajeel and they both even say the win against Laxus wasn't legit.
Portrayal has Laxus as top 2 in the guild current and along Mystogun were the two strongest while Gildarts was away. Laxus' portrayal>>Erza's
Laxus' feats>>Erza's
Laxus' hype>>Erza's
Don't even know why you put that emote when you know it's damn true.
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Don't say good argument and trying to be snide while doing so because you have not counter for my point.
He was when he was kicking Wahl about and evaded his assault.
Why are you bringing up hype. It has been proven wrong before.
There is no way to validate a hype. A person can be arrogant or humble. They have made wrong hype before.
So give me some way to prove it.
Multiple blows before didn't seems to do much that is why I said it.
Jura took punches from laxus. Something we know natsu face can take. So erza being stronger than him can take um too. I will give couple of reasons below why is she stronger than natsu below.
I am sure you can find erza durability feat your self. But that huge nuke from Minerva she along with kagura tank.
Come to think of it. Was it only anime version where Minerva thought she thought she could handle both erza and kagura. But after the nuke she thought otherwise. Even Jura was impressed by that nuke. And Mavis was well.
Ogra dared Jura to block his charged cannon. Jura said fine. Ogra fired it. Instead of blocking it Jura side stepped it and one shoted ogra. Am I wrong? If so.
Please show me their conversation.
Sigh! Look dude. You are proving laxus is >> erza. Ok.
So obviously I don't believe that. So Jupiter would do alot to him in my opinion. You can prove me wrong.
Of course you will have to compare laxus durability with titan markarov durability. Because that cannon left a nasty hole bigger than laxus size in his arm.
So I imagine laxus would at least look like that.
Erza has very strong magic for defense, laxus doesn't.
To me laxus has better durability than erza
But no where near adamantine armor erza.
This is why I think pre ts laxus would nearly die from Jupiter cannon
Fairy law can be done by anyone who learns it. It is not sign of power. If you have problem believing this. Than look up cana. No laxus was nowhere near markarov.
Only thing he might have above marakrov would be movement speed. Cast speed goes to markarov too
And you keep on saying all statements are correct other than the ones you don't like.
All statements that hype laxus= correct
All statements downgrading erza = correct
All statements hyping erza = false
Why erza is stronger than natsu pre ts
Natsu was losing to blinded aria and he wasn't able to hurt him at all. A wrecked erza one shotted full powered aria with her medium level attack
Natsu is said to be equal to gray. Gray got one shoted along with elfman . While José couldn't finish off erza till markarov arrived
Racer was enough to take out natsu and three fodders and even landed hits on gray at the same time. While three OS members ganged up on erza to take her out.
Natsu is around gajeel level. Pantherlily fought on par with gajeel for awhile. The very next arc a weaker version of erza opponent oneshotted lily along with two other people
And
HYPE and portrayal
After this I say erza >> natsu.
Now you look at these an come up with erza = natsu
Than obviously laxus has done something outrageous that would make you put laxus > erza + Mira.
Please show me these things.
If one roar put down natsu and gajeel. Than who was kicking laxus ass couple of minutes later. How did lightening haven halbert hit gajeel who was already down.
Aria was a bad matchup for natsu.
I see
Though people say ajeel was not a bad matchup for erza even though erza second strongest attack wouldnt have even scratched ajeel face because he was immune to swords
But ok lets agree with your statement
How weak is aria.
Blinded aria was beating crap out of natsu
So was natsu = blinded aria
Or natsu = aria
Or natsu > aria.
Please give proof for this
And the what does erza need to do to one shot natsu. Remember she is also not wrecked.
Why wouldn't they be on the same team together?
I put the emotii there because you were comparing wrecked fairy tail attack team to full fresh laxus. Portrayal a put erza at zero level. So no
And mishma never showed this gap you speak of, when he had a chance. do you know why? he even didn't show it with jellal.
That's an odd comparison given that the locations of the two spells are completely different. Of course the environmental damage is going to be drawn differently.
1). The reason why I think Mirajane > Laxus.
Thirdly, which is the most important reason why I rate Mirajane above Laxus, is Seilah Soul. Excluding the magic of the Spriggans, it's probably the most hax power that's ever shown. And no, stop coming up with that pathetic argument that it's NLF. The capabilities of Macro are stated, so it's nothing more than a canon fact.
Natsu is much stronger than Wendy...Why would her powerup be so overwhelming that it surpasses Natsu's own powered up form? That has no basis in the manga.
......Freed lost in seconds to Tempesta even though he had Bixlow and Evergreen as backup. Erza then went on to defeat a much, much more powerful opponent while in a terrible condition. Given his performance against fake Wahl, I doubt he has closed the gap.
