Nah i am kidding with you haha, i love Bleach but that is just me. You are right though there are facts in the manga, but i think the ones you were talking about at times were a bit debatable. No biggie though it happens.
Sure, I'll give you my side on this topic.
Yeah, you're right. My apologies. They were indeed talking about mages and not magic.
I wouldn't go as far as to say he intended to kill her. He was merely playing around. If he was really serious, he would have either used his Dragon Form or speedblitzed her like he did with God Serena. Instead, he just crushed the ground beneath her, hoping she would fall into it...
I see your point. But to me, there is a fine line between stunning/damaging somebody and defeating/killing them.
Well when they first met him in the Dragon graveyard he announced he was the Jade Dragon.
Yeah, she would have that's why Wendy enchanted Sherria's defense. There would be no point in Wendy enchanting Sherria's defense If she could tank the attack. She was staggering and barely standing up after the attack. Wendy's enchantments don't take a lot of MP so from base to DF it would be the same. Sherria's Durability is great she took multiple head on strikes and deflected DiMaria's laser with her barehand. DiMaria was one of the S12 to actually have offensive capabilities and her stats were among the best shown.
Igneel flew out to the stratosphere so they wouldn't harm anyone when they get serious which means they were about to do some massive aoe spells bcs simple bites or punches wouldn't do that. Even Acno's finisher on Igneel was a huge nuke that demolished Igneel. I'm pretty sure Igneel didn't get his King of Fire Dragon status for his stats.
I'll just address this post because the other person who quoted me made a much longer post, though their post was a lot more constructive and rational.
Seeing as Igneel needed to fly to the stratosphere to let out his serious attacks I highly doubt the stats were more effective than there top spells. Could there be Dragons that are about stats? Yeah but it's not a top tier Dragon considering the five parent Dragons are the tops of the tops and they all relied on their magic rather than their stats.
Sure there is. Sherria could have gotten hurt, even preventing that is big help.
No she wasn't. She was blown back and comfortably landed on her two feet, then initiated her God Slaying attack. She has virtually no wear/blood stains on her breasts or face that she did not have before.
And she got injured from them.
That was a combination of strength and durability, not just durability. If she just stood in the way it would have likely went right through her (hence she opted to swat it away). Its an alright feat, but DiMarias laser doesn't have much power behind it, its all speed. The characters it pierced are fragile (DF Wendy is still fragile, DF mainly augments her speed and the strength of her spells).
The only Spriggan 12 members that her offensive capabilities beat out are Jacobs and Neinharts. As far as stats go, I'd say she was more or less equal to Jacob and Ajeel. Serena is a little worse (he lacks feats in speed and strength), Neinhart is a lot worse and Wahl and Bradman are better. So yeah, average.
And yet thats just what they did. Simple bites and punches and claws and tails whips. Almost the entirety of the fight that we saw was a physical battle. Acnos finisher was on an Igneel that would have died in another 10 seconds anyways, the dude had a bigger hole in him then Serena. Acnos finisher was an act of disrespect (disintegrate his remains so there is nothing to bury) and even that failed to some extent. Their respective physical attacks were shown to do far more damage then their magic ones, I'm not even sure if that's debatable.
The level of hax of most comments makes them diff to place them. For example, Should Dimaria be above Larcade? Which activates first, her age seal or his ability to pull souls out? etc. etc.
Still there was no point in enchanting Sherria's defense if she could just outright tank the attack.
Bottom right panel shows her worst for wear. Highly doubt Hiro wanting to put blood stains on some breast
Yeah getting punched by an S12 bar Neinhart would do that to a person.
DF augments all stats and MP to three tines Wendy's maximum so in no way was Wendy fragile. So I guess August's laser is weak bcs it just pierced through base form Mira.
Wahl I can see but in no way Bradman's were. The guy couldn't even KO Levy with his offense.
Not really...none of the Tail whips hurt Acnologia and Igneel's bite took out Acnologia's arm after a long fight. Also Igneel was dodging Acno's breath attack but was fine with going cqc which already shows he'd rather get hit by his claws rather than his roar. When has Acnologia ever cared about doing unnecessary things to disrespect an opponent after he killed them?
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Your repeating the exact same thing mate. Like I said, if Sherria is going to get injured (never said tank) then its worth saving her the trouble of getting injured.
I examined the whole chapter very closely and I could safely say there is no difference then how she was before. She had a little wear on her breasts and on her face even when going into TO and she started bleeding on her head after that elbow to the face from DiMaria. Absolutely nothing has changed.Bottom right panel shows her worst for wear. Highly doubt Hiro wanting to put blood stains on some breast
Out of curiosity where did you get the three from? Thats actually less then I thought tbh, because base Wendy is incredibly fragile, DF does little to change that. Although she does get the speed to avoid getting hit so it compensates for her fragility to some extent. Augusts laser hasn't shown a limit to what it could pierce though its naturally going to be above what DiMarias could.
Base Bradman was doing completely fine against a physical beast like Gajeel, in fact he was arguably even overwhelming him in CQC. Bradmans third release and Tempestas fire were the only ones that failed to do anything significant to Levy (who wasn't even his target mind you), his other curses were very impressive.
Acnologia tanked Igneels roar and went on to get hurt by his punch. Why does it matter exactly?
Only other fire dragon we know of is Atlas, and his roar failed to KO quite a number of people last time I checked. No one is saying his flames are weak, they are naturally extremely strong, but his physical stats are even better.
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I asked the question again bcs you're saying she could outright tank the attack yet she needed to be enchanted double the stats.
I never said she would outright tank the attack, I said she wouldn't outright get one-shotted.
I don't recall that being stated, its been proven wrong in the manga regardless though. How powerful the DF varies depending on how dragonized the character looks. The fact that Natsu has looked different multiple times means that DF varies depending on the substance consumed. Natsu was probably just x3 his power in that particular fight, if anything.
Yeah I don't know about that. MG's hand swipe? What hand swipe are you talking about? The rose explosions? Yeah those are weak. Atlas Flame tried to shake Natsu off, he did not body slam him.
Although I obviously agree with your top 3, I'd like to disagree with some things.My balanced logical ranking
1. August - Not only has he been stated to be the strongest s12 individual by Makarov, he's also been stated so by Dimaria, his level of MP has been praised by the likes of Natsu, Lucy, Mest or Mavis
2. Irene - Obvious reasons: he's the female counterpart of August. Not only does she have vast amounts of MP capable of making Mira or Mavis completely unsettled but also, her enchanting is very dangerous, granted that she can turn anyone pretty much into anything.
3. Larcade -As you know, not only has he been hyped to be a 'secret weapon' to destroy Acno, or to have an abnormal magic nature by Mavis, but the fact he can pretty much instakill upon looking at the target is pretty hax. Ofc I don't know how his magic works but since he seems to permanently have his hands glued together, I don't really know the mechanism of activation of his hax so for now I'll assume it's just upon looking the target
4. Dimaria - You all know what I think of Dimaria, granted that her Age Seal is virtually instantenous and there's no counter at the moment, if it weren't because the three above her have been hyped to above the clouds I'd still have her the first one.
5. Brandish - I always hesitate whether to put her 5th, 7th or 12th; probably because she's pretty much featless. Still her island level feat + haxy magic which can pretty much kill you instantly if she decides to modify the size of a vital organ makes her top-notch.
6. God Serena - For those who generally read my posts you'll know that I'm a GS fan, but being logical here, he cannot plausibly be above Dimaria, but I don't think he should be below. He's been capable of fodderize 4 arguably powerful wizards with such ease, unscratched, and not even going all out; he also seems to have a wide variety of magic: 8 DS magic specialties (mastered at a high level) + his base mode magic which was already capable of subjugating the GoI.
7. Bradman - His MBP are pretty hax especially for close quarters combat since he's pretty much going to kill anyone who gets close enough. Also if you ask me, the ability to posess and use all the Tartaros curses grants him a wide variety of attacks of different range and effect, + hax.
8. Jacob - Stealth is indeed deadly, but his spatial magic... Although we don't know the exact physics of it, if anyone who enters his dimension is powerless, then he must be pretty damn strong!
9. Neinheart -Due to the fact he can summon up to 3 spriggan-level mages, which is pretty impressive. He can probably even summon someone of the caliber of August too. However logic tells me not to put him 1st because 1: August/Irene haven't died yet so they cannot be summoned and 2: His durability seems crappy and his statement during this chapter corroborates it since he needs to be protected
10. Invel -His magic is pretty hyped but I can see no apparent hax. He can freeze anyone instantly but so could Silver. Also, he seems to be able to freeze minds to 'thicken' thought but well, Brandish can literally make your brain disappear so, yeah. I think he's going to be the most proficient Ice user seen to date, but again, since the other spriggans are tooo haxy, it's hard to be on their level.
11. Wahl - I'm not too sure whether he should be 11 or 12. This dude is all firepower. He's top notch when it comes to guns and weapons. But his lack of hax, the fact he was defeated by someone to whose magic he was immune... Makes me thing he's no big deal tbh.
12. Ajeel - He's severely underrated but sadly his lack of instantaneous hax (his hax requires to be in physical contact with his victim, and it's not instantanous as it takes some time to dehidrate the victim) tells me he didn't show anything too impressive. His speed is considerable but he was blitzed a couple of times by Erza. He also proved to be very weak to his counter elements, wind and water, so I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Wendy and Juvia could put him down high difficulty. Sandworld is his most impressive feat, but a mage like Natsu is going to burn his sand, a mage like Wendy is going to disperse it, a mage like Gajeel is going to tank his blows with his steel, a mage like Juvia can probably render the sand ineffective, and so on.
Before bashing my list, please read my comments
Hax vs feat list:
1. Neinhart -2. Larcade -Since he can likely summon literally any mage (save for acno?) who's dead, if anyone from the 12 dies and he can summon them. If August dies and Neinhart summons him, then Neinhart is automatically the strongest spriggan.3. Dimaria - Obvious reasonsLooks to me like his hax is released upon looking at the target, then he's the strongest spriggan for me unless he dies and Neinhart can summon him
4. Brandish - Also obvious reasons, aforementioned
5. Irene - If her enchanting takes less time than Jacob's spatial magic, then he goes before.
6. Jacob - His hax is as haxy as the others' but it takes more time to activate.
7. Bradman - You can be as powerful as you want, you can be August for that matter, but since they haven't been shown to be capable of countering his MBP/intangibility, I don't know how they're gonna defeat him. Also, macro + NLF = he's as strong as fast he is at activating macro. I think it takes more time to use Macro than Jacob's spatial magic (I recall you had to utter your order) in which case his hax is slower than the above haxes.
8. August - Hyped to the max, still, no apparent hax showed whatsoever
9. God Serena - Because he's a melee fighter and hax beats melee.
10. Invel - Similar to GS, although we don't know much about him.
11. Wahl - Same as GS
12. Ajeel - Same as GS. He does posess hax but it's too slow.
I hope it makes sense to you.
