Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

Which side are you on?

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No, August is the only one among the spriggan 12 that can be cut with a butter knife despite his stregnth, I've already discussed this in another debate that a knife is NOT more powerful than a punch that break down walls, a roar that can melt rock etc,
I get that, but I see it differently. I don't think he has great power and little durability. I think he has a lot of both. But it's cool. We'll see for sure when he does fight if he can take as much as he dishes out. As long as it's not another boring fight done with one shot.
 

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I agree that Sting and Rogue as they were in GMG were not at full power, they were at full power in Tartarus once they gained the POF boost and perfected their teamwork. The POF is actually quite significant, but it does not make them go from being several tiers below Gajeel to being stronger then him.
That isn't the reason they were at full power in Tartarus, Sting and Rogue achieved full power in Tartaros once Weisslogia and Skiadrum got out from inside them, the Dragons were actively inhibiting their growth as Dragon Slayers, why do you think Natsu had to take in external elements to enter Dragon Force each time? Same as Wendy in Tartarus. Compare it to Sting and Rogue who activated their Dragon Force internally, it's clear they were never at peak power till Tartaros..
POF has nothing to do with it
 

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Bradmans and Gajeels roars are hard to scale because they were very close to each other when firing them so the roars did not get to expand and show how they fare in comparison to, say, Natsus roars. Base Gajeel is weaker then Erza, but ISD gives him the advantage IMO. With DF its a curbstomp, she gets one-shotted in the blink of an eye.

I'd hold off on Gildarts being far stronger then Laxus as well, Serena is one of the weaker Spriggan and Laxus has shown that he could take weaker-average Spriggan out with relative ease (ie Ajeel) as well. I will say that Gildarts is at least on the same level as Laxus is though

Also want to note that Bradman is probably better with the curses then the 9DGs were. Tartarus Natsu dodged multiples of Mards thorns relatively casually while a single thorn was able to hit current Gajeel before he saw it coming. His Tenga Goken Onimaru was able to damage Gajeels enhanced iron skin while Ezels barely took out base Tartarus Wendy. His Tenchi Kaimei seemed grander then Torafusas as it was used in open space while Torafusas was used in a building (thereby acting like an aquarium for the water). Rage is unquantifiable but if he was able to match a powerful dragon slayers roar (like Gajeels), then I'd like to think it was more powerful then Silvers rage. His exploding helix is trash.
Bradman is likely better than Mard Geer with his thorns, but don't forget Gajeel went in recklessly, desperate to finish Bradman for the sake of Levy. He left himself wide open because of his urgency to save Levy. For one who says he could pick me apart you have holes in your arguments. Not impressed at all.
 

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Bradman is likely better than Mard Geer with his thorns, but don't forget Gajeel went in recklessly, desperate to finish Bradman for the sake of Levy. He left himself wide open because of his urgency to save Levy. For one who says he could pick me apart you have holes in your arguments. Not impressed at all.
Lol if anyone loves to charge in recklessly without thinking its Natsu, and yet he was able to dodge multiple thorns with ease while Gajeel got hit with the very first one.
 

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Yeah I agree



I begin to lose faith in them due to the fact that in my head the timeskip has created a gap that I see bigger and bigger every time. It's still hard to believe for me that top tier characters a timeskip ago are complete fodder 1 year later so I want to stick to the possibility of seeing them shine. It's not like I'm a super fan it's just that I don't want characters with potential to go to waste on a whim. There were other ways to portray that the spriggans were extremely powerful other than fodderizing Ishgar's mightiest forces. Wouldn't it have been more credible if they had all been current Erza tier? I mean it'd make perfect sense for pre-time skip top tiers to be current Erza level. I mean it's like current Laxus >>> current Erza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GoI >>> current Jura >= GMG Jura. Woudln't it be more feasible something like current Laxus >>> current Erza >= GoI >>> current Jura >= GMG Jura?



His magic is similar to molding magic. He can create trees out of nowhere, he can modify their shape, their thickness, their length and their speed of creation, their direction, etc. It just looks similar to me to something like Gray's magic, but with trees instead of ice spikes. I can see Warrod being an offensive type. Just look at characters like Hashirama.



God Serena's 'native' magic will likely not be shown nor mentioned again so it was but a means to say: hey I'm so powerful I don't even need to use my 'main'(in case DS magic is his main) magic to defeat you. I think that offpaneling was like Mashima saying: glimpse the power of a Spriggan, more than: there was actually a battle. I actually don't think there was a battle at all, I think round 1 was GoI being oneshot, then they just got up and began to fight rather seriously.

Also, and for the third time mate, don't take it as me wanting to defend the group, it's rather me wanting to understand how the GoI went from being top tiers to being lisanna tiers. I want to understand why it is current Erza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyberion and not Erza >= Hyberion. There must be a limits to power inflation, not even Mashima could make it so unreal. I mean 1 year and top tier mages have become fodder? does it make sense to you at all?

Let's see what happens if they appear again.
I don't understand why is this illogical
erza >>> hybrion
while this is ok
Laxus >>>> hybrion
if laxus with cancer can be >>>>>>>>>>>> hybrion
Than logically erza should be >>>>>>> hybrion

If you want logic
Than it should be something like
Hybrion > erza > > jura >>>>>>>>>> laxus
Why, because hybrion was far above jura who was somewhat around erza level in GMG. Thus hybrion remain stronger and erza surpass jura and laxus becomes weak because he had cancer, magic eating cancer.

You can use logic like Serena is high tier springgan while ajeel is mid high speinggan and Wahl fodder barely springgqn level springgan to justify it. Just the way you used Serena being high tier springgan to make hybrion near erza before.
 

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Also @Dr. Monty your point about Juvia being able to survive Serena's attacks is a little moot, look at the scale of the attack he used on Natsu and co.
It's obvious which is the most dangerous attack due to the sheer scale, you literally have the ground tearing apart from a freaking WATER based attack when he was fighting the GOI.
Serena's attacks are definitely among the top tier among the Spriggan 12
 

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Lol if anyone loves to charge in recklessly without thinking its Natsu, and yet he was able to dodge multiple thorns with ease while Gajeel got hit with the very first one.
Natsu had nothing holding him back or causing him to do things recklessly. Right after Levy's mask came off and he found out that skin can absorb the particles too, Gajeel was desperate and reckless. He went running at Bradman only thinking of a way to hit him to beat his ass. Do you read the story or just see the simple things only?
 

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Also @Dr. Monty your point about Juvia being able to survive Serena's attacks is a little moot, look at the scale of the attack he used on Natsu and co.
It's obvious which is the most dangerous attack due to the sheer scale, you literally have the ground tearing apart from a freaking WATER based attack when he was fighting the GOI.
Serena's attacks are definitely among the top tier among the Spriggan 12
No they are not.
Aoe doesn't show power. Nor does author actually scales attack.
Otherwise GMG Minerva and kugura are stronger than Serena.
 

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Natsu had nothing holding him back or causing him to do things recklessly. Right after Levy's mask came off and he found out that skin can absorb the particles too, Gajeel was desperate and reckless. He went running at Bradman only thinking of a way to hit him to beat his ass. Do you read the story or just see the simple things only?
And when does Natsu ever go into a battle with any thought other than to just "beat his ass"? You think only Gajeel was emotionally affected? Natsu just found out that his father who he had been searching for for most of his life was actually within him the whole time, and he was told that he wouldn't get any answers at all about anything unless he beat the shit out of Mard Geer. So not only is Natsu already the kind of person who always charges in recklessly without thinking, but now he has this ultimatum from his father that motivates him to take down Mard Geer or else none of his questions will be answered. So no, Gajeel being fueled by emotions and being reckless is not an excuse here.
 

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And when does Natsu ever go into a battle with any thought other than to just "beat his ass"? You think only Gajeel was emotionally affected? Natsu just found out that his father who he had been searching for for most of his life was actually within him the whole time, and he was told that he wouldn't get any answers at all about anything unless he beat the shit out of Mard Geer. So not only is Natsu already the kind of person who always charges in recklessly without thinking, but now he has this ultimatum from his father that motivates him to take down Mard Geer as fast as possible. So no, Gajeel being fueled by emotions and being reckless is not an excuse here.
When your girlfriend is dying because of the enemy and time is short that's how it goes. Did you read the manga thoroughly? Do you understand the difference in situation. A dragon dad tells Natsu to beat the crap out of Mard Geer to get the book. At that time Igneel was in the early stages of fighting Acnologia, where an outcome can't be seen yet. You got very little info and you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
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When your girlfriend is dying because of the enemy and time is short that's how it goes. Did you read the manga thoroughly? Do you understand the difference in situation. A dragon dad tells Natsu to beat the crap out of Mard Geer. At that time Igneel was in the early stages of fighting Acnologia, where an outcome can't be seen yet. You got very little info and you are just arguing for the sake of arguing
It doesn't matter that the situations are different, the only thing that matters is that in the end both Gajeel and Natsu charged in recklessly without thinking. You can make up all the excuses you want but the end result is the same in both cases. You make it seem like Gajeel completely lost his mind and just started swinging around blindly. Being emotionally affected should not impair Gajeel's fighting ability to the point of being unable to dodge something he is normally capable of dodging.

What do I have to gain from arguing about this? What do YOU have to gain from arguing about this? What makes my opinions and perspectives unwarranted and yours justified? Do you not see the hypocrisy in that point of view?
 
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It doesn't matter that the situations are different, the only thing that matters is that in the end both Gajeel and Natsu charged in recklessly without thinking. You can make up all the excuses you want but the end result is the same in both cases. You make it seem like Gajeel completely lost his mind and just started swinging around blindly. Being emotionally affected should not impair Gajeel's fighting ability to the point of being unable to dodge something he is normally capable of dodging.

What do I have to gain from arguing about this? What do YOU have to gain from arguing about this? What makes my opinions and perspectives unwarranted and yours justified? Do you not see the hypocrisy in that point of view?
No they did not charge in the same way. That's why we are talking about the situation. You only see the surface of it.
 

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How people even consider Laxus to be even be close in terms of power to Gildarts is beyond me... The guy survived an encounter with Acnologia and it was never mentioned that Mavis saved him, so he relied on his sheer power and it was a very long time ago.
Hype alone puts Gildarts way above Laxus; throw in the fact that he was playing around with God Serena, who is at least on Wahl's level (if not stronger), while Laxus needed a convenient spell to ensure victory against Wahl and you can easily figure out which of the two has the number 1 spot in the guild.

If Laxus ends up fighting and defeating August or Larcade, I may reconsider this later on, but right now he's definitely not equal to Gildarts.
 

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How people even consider Laxus to be even be close in terms of power to Gildarts is beyond me... The guy survived an encounter with Acnologia and it was never mentioned that Mavis saved him, so he relied on his sheer power and it was a very long time ago.
Hype alone puts Gildarts way above Laxus; throw in the fact that he was playing around with God Serena, who is at least on Wahl's level (if not stronger), while Laxus needed a convenient spell to ensure victory against Wahl and you can easily figure out which of the two has the number 1 spot in the guild.

If Laxus ends up fighting and defeating August or Larcade, I may reconsider this later on, but right now he's definitely not equal to Gildarts.
How people even consider Laxus to be even be close in terms of power to Gildarts is beyond me... The guy survived an encounter with Acnologia and it was never mentioned that Mavis saved him, so he relied on his sheer power and it was a very long time ago.
Hype alone puts Gildarts way above Laxus; throw in the fact that he was playing around with God Serena, who is at least on Wahl's level (if not stronger), while Laxus needed a convenient spell to ensure victory against Wahl and you can easily figure out which of the two has the number 1 spot in the guild.

If Laxus ends up fighting and defeating August or Larcade, I may reconsider this later on, but right now he's definitely not equal to Gildarts.
Stop, just stop. We have no details about the Acno incident but just likely Acno swatted Gildarts like a fly and left him for dead. As for one shotting a Spriggan Laxus basically done that. The first move Wahl wasn't immune to he got dropped, they both basically one shot a Spriggan. Let's see Gildarts beat Serena if he was immune to heavenly body magic, the last time we saw Gildarts without his magic Bluenote was stomping on his head.
 

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Aside from the Acno incident, Glidartz has always been a solid tier above Laxus in terms of portrayal and probably feats I guess, so it doesn't strike me as surprising that he still is. I mean, with power inflation anything could've happened. Logically Glidartz shouldn't have been able to improve as much as Laxus due to age, but given that age seems not to be a factor and apparently "prime" as such doesn't exist (looks like anyone who trains, improves), looks like Glidartz is still above himself.

I mean I'm not surprised about anything anymore here. I could see Glidartz fodderized by Serena or the other way round it'd still be OK, there are things we cannot rationalize. As much as I find this power inflation completely stupid and illogical, I have to acquiesce cause, let's be real, power scales are likely gonna go nuts from now on. I mean, Erza is probably gonna have to face Irene and she'll likely do a better job than she did Ajeel. I hope not, but I'm not gonna be shocked about it either.
 

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Stop, just stop. We have no details about the Acno incident but just likely Acno swatted Gildarts like a fly and left him for dead. As for one shotting a Spriggan Laxus basically done that. The first move Wahl wasn't immune to he got dropped, they both basically one shot a Spriggan. Let's see Gildarts beat Serena if he was immune to heavenly body magic, the last time we saw Gildarts without his magic Bluenote was stomping on his head.
It's still a feat that Gildarts has under his belt; we don't need much details about said incident to theorize on how he got out alive, because that's simply irrelevant. The fact that he did is an enormous feat in itself.
Also, Laxus did not one-shot Wahl. They clashed several times and were evenly matched, until Laxus got the upper hand and delivered the decisive blow. In Gildarts' case, the fight seems to have taken a much shorter outcome.

And if you are comparing Gildarts vs. Bluenote to current Gildarts, then let's not forget that one time when Natsu kicked and stomped Laxus, so such arguments won't really get us anywhere, because power scaling has evolved since then.
 

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I say Gildarts will be stronger than Laxus and Natsu in Alvarez arc. from the beginning of FT, it was like this:

Festival arc
Gildarts >>> Laxus >= Mystogan > Erza > Natsu >= Gajeel

Tenrou arc
Gildarts >>> Laxus > Erza > Natsu

GMG arc
Gildarts > Laxus, Jura > Erza > Natsu = Gajeel

Tartaros arc
Gildarts > Laxus > Erza > Natsu = Gajeel

currently, it should follow the same pattern with a few differences.

we should wait for the chapter to come out. those spoilers seems way too cringe to believe it until we actually read the chapter.
 
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I say Gildarts will be stronger than Laxus and Natsu in Alvarez arc. from the beginning of FT, it was like this:

Festival arc
Gildarts >>> Laxus >= Mystogan > Erza >> Natsu >= Gajeel

Tenrou arc
Gildarts >>> Laxus >= Jellal > Erza >> Natsu

GMG arc
Gildarts > Laxus, Jura > Erza > Natsu = Gajeel

Tartaros arc
Gildarts > Laxus > Erza > Natsu = Gajeel

currently, it should follow the same pattern with a few differences.

we should wait for the chapter to come out. those spoilers seems way too cringe to believe it until we actually read the chapter.
IMO if you allow me:

Festival arc
Makarov >= Gildarts >> Laxus >= Mystogan > Erza >> Natsu >= Gajeel >>>>> Lisanna

Tenrou arc
Gildarts >= Makarov > Laxus >= Jellal > Erza > Natsu >> Gajeel >>>>> Lisanna

GMG arc
GoI >= Gildarts >> Laxus >= Jellal >= Jura > Makarov > Erza > Natsu > Gajeel >>>>> Lisanna

Tartaros arc
Goi >= Gildarts >> Laxus >= Jellal > Jura > Makarov > Erza > Natsu > Gajeel >>>>> Lisanna

Alvarez arc
Gildarts >> Laxus >= Jellal > Natsu > Erza > Gajeel > Makarov >>>>> Lisanna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GoI > Jura

No DFs accounted for, or ISDM/LFDM. BDKM, yes.

Kidding in Alvarez about Lisanna and GoI/Jura, but you get my point... It's kind of stupid.
 
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You guys overrate Tenrous size. Its a very small island. Acnologia is not completely dwarfed (to the point of barely being seen) by his own expanded roar, which is naturally larger then the island itself. Natsus Tenrou LFD roar being 3/4 the length of Tenrou is really not that impressive compared to the crater that the FDK roar left. I'd argue that what is seen of the length alone is enough to cover Tenrou island, we don't even need to know when it actually ends. As for width its really not even a contest, the LFD roar is about as wide as a few trees. The FDK roar is easily multiple times wider, and when I say multiple I mean in the double digits. Overall the FDK roars area is much much much greater.
Alright, after thinking about it, I finally got what you were trying to say with the whole Acnologia not being completely dwarfed bit. So basically, because Acnologia's still visible when compared to the explosion that covered the island, and because he doesn't dwarf humans in terms of size, that means that Natsu's FDK roar and the explosion are around the same size (from what was shown), right? Because if that's the case, then I can see how the FDK roar could destroy the island.
 
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