Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

Which side are you on?

  • Team Spriggan 12

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Excuse me but WHY is Neinhart considered as a low tier in the poll? Because I don't consider him as a low tier at all, more like a high tier. This is outright racism.

#teamantineinharthaters

Edit: I voted for pretime-skip top villian just because God Serena isn't stronger than Neinhart :cookiehand
 

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Thus far Hyberion is the only Wizard Saint who is worth a damn and could potentially take-down one of the weaker Spriggan with some help. I have a hard time believing the others would even be able to hurt a Spriggan (Except Neinhart and maybe Jacob).

But from what we've seen he can spawn a 2000 KM long tree that would definitely hurt and he's caught God Serena in one of his trees too. This is ignoring the fact that Warrod is insanely humble, even if he hasn't got magic suited for combat he still quite powerful in comparison to most mages outside of FT's elite.
Worth noting that that technique needed an incantation (he was only mumbling though). Its not a near instantaneous technique like the one that he used against Serena. Don't know if that tree is battle oriented.
 

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But from what we've seen he can spawn a 2000 KM long tree that would definitely hurt and he's caught God Serena in one of his trees too. This is ignoring the fact that Warrod is insanely humble, even if he hasn't got magic suited for combat he still quite powerful in comparison to most mages outside of FT's elite.
How does spawn a 2000 KM trees will hurt someone? That is such an unoffensive power . Yes he is strong and humble but he's not someone that is suited for a combats which I'm discussing right now .

He said it in general manner though , he said the 10 wizard saint so there is still a chance that the others is not as strong as it seems either.
 

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speed ranking in FT thus far

1. Acnologia
2. Happy
3. Jellal
4. Laxus
 

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How does spawn a 2000 KM trees will hurt someone? That is such an unoffensive power . Yes he is strong and humble but he's not someone that is suited for a combats which I'm discussing right now .
If you spawn a 2000 KM tree into someones gut then that's going to hurt. I get what you mean about him not being combat oriented but that doesn't make it inapplicable in combat, he'd be good for crowd control tbh.
 

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I'm not talking about who will defeat who though and don't forget that Lucy is long range fighter , mid range fighter and close range fighter so even if natsu manage to stop csk for a few second he still need to find Lucy . She could be three town away if she want to lol and even if natsu is already on the mid range , Lucy could start attacking him already and by the close range Lucy would be done casting um lol and this is with csk around .

Very well , even though I'm still not so sure about your assumption that Lucy already runs out of magic . She pretty much would be dead if she had no mp anymore so she might be still could sustains the csk for a little more while .

And csk depend on lucy mp the whole time , if Lucy runs out of mp she would be dead and if you want to said that csk use his own power then it's a little bits weird considering that Lucy is the one that summon him and depend his whole being on Lucy magical reserves to suddenly had a transitions of mp . I could understand that if he disspear and come back with his own magical reserves but it's not.... he can't just suddenly use his own mp instead lol .

And i still think that csk is restricted and his power just go as far as his summoner mp.
I'm assuming in a Natsu vs Lucy scenario, they start the fight facing each other and aware of a battle going on. Otherwise nothing is stopping ambushes from happening, and that would defeat the purpose. Also, Natsu can probably still hear Lucy from quite a whiles away. He can also run pretty far in a short distance. Ikusatsunagi's sword + the length of his arm is almost the diameter of a city. Natsu can clear that distance pretty fast. None of Lucy's attacks with star dress, or even Urano Metria, is likely going to be very effective against someone of Natsu's caliber. All it would take for Natsu to take out Lucy is the same roar he used against Bluenote, and that roar can be cast with pretty easily.

You don't die when you run out of magical power. We've seen tonnes of people run out of magical power, and still be fine. When Natsu used dragon force against Mard and used up all his magical power, he was fine. Losing your magical power only seems to be harmful when it's forcibly taken from you, such as when Aria sucked it out of Makarov or when Eclipse sucked it out of Natsu.

I don't see why CSK couldn't just suddenly use his MP to keep his gate open should Lucy run out of magic. Either way, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me why the Spirit King would be weaker if Lucy summons him, as opposed to the Spirit King using his own MP to summon himself. Spirits have their own supply of MP, and the less they use on maintaining the gate the more they have to fight with. I just can't seem to wrap my head around why CSK would be stronger with no summoner as opposed with a summoner.
 
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Thus far Hyberion is the only Wizard Saint who is worth a damn and could potentially take-down one of the weaker Spriggan with some help. I have a hard time believing the others would even be able to hurt a Spriggan (Except Neinhart and maybe Jacob).



Worth noting that that technique needed an incantation (he was only mumbling though). Its not a near instantaneous technique like the one that he used against Serena. Don't know if that tree is battle oriented.
Yes. Carla can also beat a low tier spriggan because she can fly and see the future. Because Happy doesn't just fly, but eats a lot of fish, which is high in protein, he should be able to at least beat one of the top three spriggan. He showed great flying ability when he stopped Jacob from using his teleport so you can't refute this feat. Warren can communicate with everyone so that should put him near dragon level. Sorry I wasn't born yesterday. So naive.
 

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I'm assuming in a Natsu vs Lucy scenario, they start the fight facing each other and aware of a battle going on. Also, Natsu can probably still hear Lucy from quite a whiles away. He can also run pretty far in a short distance. Ikusatsunagi's sword + the length of his arm is almost the diameter of a city. Natsu can clear that distance pretty fast. None of Lucy's attacks with star dress, or even Urano Metria, is likely going to be very effective against someone of Natsu's caliber. All it would take for Natsu to take out Lucy is the same roar he used against Bluenote, and that roar can be cast with pretty easily.

You don't die when you run out of magical power. We've seen tonnes of people run out of magical power, and still be fine. When Natsu used dragon force against Mard and used up all his magical power, he was fine. Losing your magical power only seems to be harmful when it's forcibly taken from you, such as when Aria sucked it out of Makarov or when Eclipse sucked it out of Natsu.

I don't see why CSK couldn't just suddenly use his MP to keep his gate open should Lucy run out of magic. Either way, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me why the Spirit King would be weaker if Lucy summons him, as opposed to the Spirit King using his own MP to summon himself. Spirits have their own supply of MP, and the less they use on maintaining the gate the more they have to fight with. I just can't seem to wrap my head around why CSK would be stronger with no summoner as opposed with a summoner.
I do think that if natsu fight with Lucy without csk of course natsu will win but I'm pretty much sure that spell like um could take natsu down , it depend actually .

That roar would take out even someone on springgan caliber IMO .... just like laxus nuke .

I'm pretty sure that when a mage ( especially summoners ) will die if they runs out of mp . Its stated somewhere but I couldn't really wrap my head around it lol . Maybe about during the Karen thing which she runs out of mp and die or maybe somewhere else....

Uhmmm , for csk to suddenly had a transition of whose mp he's using . The gates is open with Lucy mp and sustaining him is using Lucy mp but to just suddenly had a transition of mp . That doesn't seems right . He could use his own mp if he came by himself but it's not .

Csk by himself in the celestial world is definitely a beast but in real world he is summon with a mage that had restricted mp . That why I said that csk is restricted and is not as strong as he is on his own . He is restricted , after Lucy used um he start getting sluggish and that is a prove that Lucy mp affect his performance / power / moves .

Rip English lol... jumble of mess .
 

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God Serena can beat Ajeel with Water and Wind elements. Sand king is strong but not like others with hax.
I don't think those will be much useful in sand world
To little aoe
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I agree that Ajeel is underrated, but tbh every Spriggan is strong. Even the pathetic Jacob has a powerful hax which would potentially make him win against very strong opponents. Ajeel unfortunately is less powerful than mages like God Serena and probably Wahl, and his hax gets beaten by more deadly hax like Age Seal or Transport. I'd put him above Neinhart and maybe Wahl, but that's about it.
Depends how you measure power. he might be much stronger than Serena.
 

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I do think that if natsu fight with Lucy without csk of course natsu will win but I'm pretty much sure that spell like um could take natsu down , it depend actually.

That roar would take out even someone on springgan caliber IMO .... just like laxus nuke .

I'm pretty sure that when a mage ( especially summoners ) will die if they runs out of mp . Its stated somewhere but I couldn't really wrap my head around it lol . Maybe about during the Karen thing which she runs out of mp and die or maybe somewhere else....

Uhmmm , for csk to suddenly had a transition of whose mp he's using . The gates is open with Lucy mp and sustaining him is using Lucy mp but to just suddenly had a transition of mp . That doesn't seems right . He could use his own mp if he came by himself but it's not .

Csk by himself in the celestial world is definitely a beast but in real world he is summon with a mage that had restricted mp . That why I said that csk is restricted and is not as strong as he is on his own . He is restricted , after Lucy used um he start getting sluggish and that is a prove that Lucy mp affect his performance / power / moves .

Rip English lol... jumble of mess .
Well, the strongest person Urano Metria has taken down was Jackal, and Natsu was a good deal stronger than him even before the timeskip. IMO, Lucy would need a rate of growth larger than Natsu over the timeskip to take him down with UM.

Both Natsu and Lucy have ran out of magical power before, and they weren't faced with life threatening conditions. Natsu when he used LFD roar and after his fight with Mard Geer. Lucy when she was fighting Kain Hikaru and when Obra nullified her magic in her fight against Flare. The closest that I can think of to dying of overuse of magic is when Layla died opening the Eclipse, but even that was partially attributed to her already having a frail body.

Again, spirits have their own supply of magical power. The CSK isn't just using Lucy's magical power to fight. He's using his own supply of magical power + whatever amount of power Lucy can spare to make him stronger. If Lucy isn't there to summon him, not only would the Spirit King not have that extra power, but he would also be taxed with whatever amount of magical power necessary to keep the gate open.

Celestial Spirits in the Celestial World don't have to worry about spending magical power to open gates and they are probably also constantly healing & regenerating their powers, so yes in the Celestial World the king probably has a huge home-field advantage. However, so far as going into the mortal realm and fighting, I just don't see any reason why CSK would be weaker with a summoner as opposed to without one.
 
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I don't think those will be much useful in sand world
To little aoe
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Depends how you measure power. he might be much stronger than Serena.
I'd like it to be true. I actually like Ajeel, i hope he will redeem himself and put up a good fight. He's still going to lose of course but eh.
 

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The poll might need to be changed because there are options missing. For example I think he's above Ajeel but below Zeref.

My reasoning is as follows: We're gonna have to pay attention to hype and portrayal, and powerscaling. You also have to think of the terrible power inflation.

Facts:
- We're talking about a continent's strongest person. I'm not a mathematician but probability, fate, chance... call it however you want. If there are two continents seemingly as big, both inhabited by human beings, if the two human beings train for the same hours a day and have similar body consitution/limitations (after all, they're both humans not different species). For example, Spain's strongest man's weight lifting is gonna be similar to France's strongest man's weight lifting in terms of kg they can lift; the difference is not gonna be enormous. It wouldn't make sense that Ishgar's mightiest was leagues below Alvarez's mightiest (not taking into account Zeref or Acno), that is, it wouldn't make sense that August was infinitely superior to God Serena, especially when August is past his prime and GS is close to it (if prime even exists in this manga, in terms of age).

- God Serena low diffed Hyberion, Wolfheim, Warrod and Jura, who were said to be Ishgar's mightiest forces after himself. Logically there shouldn't be a massive gap between the first and the second position, but apparently there is. The second strongest man in Alvarez was massively inferior to the first one (which makes no sense, again, there must be limits to that), but OK. Now, it's worth mentioning that we cannot possibly know the power extent of the GOI+Jura. Although they were hyped to be top tiers back in the day, possibly above Mard Geer and Hades, after being fodderized by God Serena we cannot fathom their power level appropriately. Especially when Jura doesn't seem to have abided by that power inflation and seems to be his same old self. It looks like powerscales prior to the timeskip were derisory, therefore it shouldn't surprise us that Jura (if he's the same as in GMG) and Makarov are fodder nowadays.

- God Serena HISTORIA (who should be around 50% weaker than the original, or more) initially overwhelmed the main cast, but was easily defeated by a power-inflated Glidartz. Assuming that Glidartz is currently above Laxus (probably) and that Glidartz mentioned that if he were alive, it'd be a high/extreme diff fight, I'm going to bet that God Serena is = current Glidartz. Current Glidartz being above Laxus, and Laxus being above Wahl, we can assume he's a high-end tier spriggan.

- We didn't see much of God Serena. We didn't see his most powerful attacks, we didn't see him going all out, we didn't even see his base magic. So anything we can say, whether to hype him or downplay him is relatively acceptable. Though I think that defeating the GoI+Jura, casually overwhelming the main cast (not hurting, but overwhelming), and receiving praise by Glidartz (if he had been alive he'd been a dangerous opponent), hypes him quite a lot.

IMO, then, he's after August, Irene, Dimaria and possibly Brandish due to hax, but I'd place him fifth. Maybe sixth if we take Larcade into account. If Glidartz ends up pushing August to a certain degree of difficulty, then my opinion on God Serena will only be boosted.
Makes sense but not good enough
You can't add or exclude people from those statistics as you wish
If everything in each continent is same, like no special zeref training than its possible
The people who would be exclude from this probability would be out of the world event. Aconologia doesn't have that going for him. Zeref was apparently cursed by a god, so he get excluded. But aconologia doesn't.
In 400 years, no one even came close to him. Thus we already have problem.
August could be far stronger than Serena just like aconologia is far stronger than him.
We don't know how strong this historia is, nor did gildarts says it will be a high diff match. Nor do you know whether ajeel or Wahl could also be a overwhelming force for gildarts.
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I'd like it to be true. I actually like Ajeel, i hope he will redeem himself and put up a good fight. He's still going to lose of course but eh.
Lol. Even aconologia going to lose.
I don't have much faith In defeated springgans but Serena still hasn't shown that level of aoe. so if he can't eat sand. He is gonna have some problems
 

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and Natsu was a good deal stronger than him even before the timeskip.
Natsu wasn't stronger than Jackal, the two fought to a draw and if it wasn't Happy's interference Natsu would have been toast along with the rest of the town, Jackal was a level above Natsu in Tartaros..
As for God Serena, I'm placing him in the higher end of the Spriggans, he only falls behind August and Eileen because they are the strongest mages, and behind natural hax users like Dimaria and Brandish, I'm definitely putting him above Larcade until the guy shows us what he can do, but for now, God Serena is definitely among the top 5 Spriggan 12 members
 

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Natsu wasn't stronger than Jackal, the two fought to a draw and if it wasn't Happy's interference Natsu would have been toast along with the rest of the town, Jackal was a level above Natsu in Tartaros.
Yes he was. Natsu dominated him in the actual fight, and only got injured at the end because he forgot to eat the explosions. Not only that, but Natsu didn't use dragon force or even an LFD secret art. The suicide explosion didn't even kill Happy, and Natsu is resistant to fire and can eat it.
In terms of actual combat, Jackal was not above Natsu. In base mode, Jackal couldn't even keep up with Natsu. In etherious mode, Natsu blocked all his attacks and then took him out with LFD Firing Hammer. Natsu could have avoided all the injuries he received if he simply went with an LFD roar from the beginning.
 
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Natsu dominated him in the actual fight,
Only because Jackal let him beat him since he knew he was going to win because of the nature of his Curse Power, Natsu actually lost in the beginning and was only able to get up because Wendy was there, how do you think he would have fared if it was one on one?
If Wendy wasn't there Natsu would have already lost to Jackal, considering the fact that Jackal's explosions were actively injuring Natsu.
Even when Jackal entered his Etherious form, his explosions were still strong enough to knock out Natsu.
Jackal and Natsu are more or less evenly matched, but the deciding factor in the fight was Jackal's Kamikaze attack, that would have definitely killed Natsu owing to the nature of the other explosions...
Ultimately, Jackal is stronger than Natsu
 

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Happy is a gag character. its kinda ridiculous to say he survived that Kamikaze attack or that he survived anything. he is pure gag character.
 

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The suicide explosion didn't even kill Happy,
Because Happy is fast enough to fly away from it, keep in mind this is someone who was able to cover the distance across an entire continent in minutes (against Zeref) and also a town (Erigor), it's not far fetched to think Happy can fly up, release Jackal then fly backdown before being caught up in the brunt of the explosion..
and Natsu is resistant to fire and can eat it.
Considering the fact that he couldn't eat Jackal's attacks except the ones on his hands, it's pretty obvious that large amount of explosive power could take him out for good, Natsu isn't resistant to Jackal's attacks, that's the one thing you're forgetting here, he was knocked out by FIRE based explosions at the beginning of the fight
 

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Makes sense but not good enough
You can't add or exclude people from those statistics as you wish
If everything in each continent is same, like no special zeref training than its possible
The people who would be exclude from this probability would be out of the world event. Aconologia doesn't have that going for him. Zeref was apparently cursed by a god, so he get excluded. But aconologia doesn't.
In 400 years, no one even came close to him. Thus we already have problem.
August could be far stronger than Serena just like aconologia is far stronger than him.
We don't know how strong this historia is, nor did gildarts says it will be a high diff match. Nor do you know whether ajeel or Wahl could also be a overwhelming force for gildarts.
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Lol. Even aconologia going to lose.
I don't have much faith In defeated springgans but Serena still hasn't shown that level of aoe. so if he can't eat sand. He is gonna have some problems
Zeref and Acno are out of this picture cause they are 400 years old and for all we know they're still young so they can train and improve nonstop, then they're definetely gonna be above 20 year-old mages particularly when 1 year training here boosts you by A LOT.

So, now that you mention it, it's true that the spriggan 12 were trained by Zeref himself so it may be natural that they're above Ishgar's mightiest; but then August seems to have learnt everything from books and experience or this is just my feeling; I mean he was stated to have more knowledge on magic than even Zeref himself so I don't think someone can teach someone who knows more than you. Then again I think: if August being a wise elderly could become this powerful on his own, why couldn't characters like Makarov?

Also we're splitting hairs here, spriggans, other than their hax which may've well been taught by Zeref, they've got immense MP and for all we know this is within the realm of human acquisition/limits. Therefore, I don't understand how it can be that a 30 year old woman has massively more MP than Ishgar's strongest, God Serena, and ultra massively more than the second Ishgar's strongest, Hyberion (ofc he's not the second strongest but you knwo what I mean, title wise).

Yes Glidartz says so, he says "I always wanted to see which one of us would be the last man standing, when you were at your full power" so this proves it could go eitherway, they're likely equals. As for whether Glidartz can match Ajeel or Wahl we just need to follow Glidartz, Laxus and Erza's portrayal, Glidartz > Laxus > Erza, this is a pattern that has been true from the beginning and could still apply now. Laxus > Wahl and Wahl = Ajeel so Glidartz >> Wahl/Ajeel. If you don't like portrayal let's take a look at hype: last chapter stated Glidartz is the strongest Fairy.
 
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Only because Jackal let him beat him since he knew he was going to win because of the nature of his Curse Power, Natsu actually lost in the beginning and was only able to get up because Wendy was there, how do you think he would have fared if it was one on one?
If Wendy wasn't there Natsu would have already lost to Jackal, considering the fact that Jackal's explosions were actively injuring Natsu.
Even when Jackal entered his Etherious form, his explosions were still strong enough to knock out Natsu.
Jackal and Natsu are more or less evenly matched, but the deciding factor in the fight was Jackal's Kamikaze attack, that would have definitely killed Natsu owing to the nature of the other explosions...
Ultimately, Jackal is stronger than Natsu
Jackal didn't let Natsu beat on him. First of all, by the time they had their rematch, Natsu had already figured out how to eat the explosions. That's why Jackal was scared to the point where he was trembling. That's why he entered his Etherious form to try to take out Natsu with attacks. He didn't let Natsu beat on him either. He tried to take out Natsu with his punches. Yet, they were still blocked and he got overpowered.
Wendy might have helped with Natsu's recovery, but that would have only meant it would have taken Natsu longer to get back up. Also, like I said, if Natsu had used an LFD roar against him he would have simply avoided touching Jackal. Jackal's suicide bomb didn't even manage to kill Happy. Unlikely it would kill Natsu. And yes, Natsu is resistant to fire attacks and can eat Jackals' explosions.

Because Happy is fast enough to fly away from it, keep in mind this is someone who was able to cover the distance across an entire continent in minutes (against Zeref) and also a town (Erigor), it's not far fetched to think Happy can fly up, release Jackal then fly backdown before being caught up in the brunt of the explosion.

Considering the fact that he couldn't eat Jackal's attacks except the ones on his hands, it's pretty obvious that large amount of explosive power could take him out for good, Natsu isn't resistant to Jackal's attacks, that's the one thing you're forgetting here, he was knocked out by FIRE based explosions at the beginning of the fight
No he wasn't. Happy was singed by the fire, and you can see the wounds. I've quoted the image above. Also, Happy did not fly across an entire continent against Zeref. Happy flew to the outskirts of Fiore, which is only a country.

Natsu can and has eaten Jackal's fire, and not the ones on his hands. In fact, they are easier to eat. Natsu was knocked out by Jackal's attack because it turned him into a bomb. It bypassed his durability because he wasn't receiving an attack from else-where, his body itself was trying to explode. Natsu never received any damage from any of Jackal's attacks aimed at him.
 
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Happy is a gag character. its kinda ridiculous to say he survived that Kamikaze attack or that he survived anything. he is pure gag character.
Naah, he's fine, the only nonsensical thing that he's done was survive August's explosion, that stuff should have straight up killed him considering the fact that the only person who Natsu protected was Lucy...
 
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