So I guess Natsu, Laxus and Gildarts can counter Age Seal just because they can?
Laxus has knocked out Natsu on more than one occasion. Natsu always admires those who are very strong, and always tries to fight them. Laxus blew up Ajeel's sand wave, Natsu wanted to fight Laxus the moment he was teleported on the ship. That proves nothing, but from the beginning of the manga Laxus has always been stronger. So it's not hard to believe Laxus is stronger than Natsu, even in this arc.
Yeah Crim is right, there's hardly anyone in this forum (or in the fanbase for that matter) who would put Natsu above Laxus though.
So you're from the Woodenstool team ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Huh? Well yes they did
Provide evidence please.
It doesn't imply otherwise though.
Mountains were probably 10-20 km from the guild, the attack was probably what, 400 km? Perspective.
If they're canon then Glidartz has poof speed, but so what, this is movement speed not attack speed, Laxus hasn't shown poof speed but he must necessarily have it in order to pull off things like this:
Glidartz hasn't crashed anything from current Natsu. There's currently no way to know whether Glidartz can negate a mountain busting attack unless God Serena Historia's roar happened to be a mountain busting spell, which I doubt.
Problem would be if he hadn't seen it coming, but if he saw it coming and he still was pierced by it... you could actually even think he voluntarily allowed Brandish to stab him in order to have an excuse not to negotiate and go berserk.
He saw the knife and he saw Brandish. I assume either of the two:
Unless they're badly overpowered by that magic: remember Zancrow's flames, they were actually hurting Natsu.
I don't think I brought up this topic to begin with but I'm not denying Natsu can eat GS's flames.
You have nothing to prove August attacks aren't mountain busting.
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I was always curious it is just me or does Laxus in some panels looks like Elfman ( third one for example and sorry for offtopic :P )This is likely another way to represent poof speed
They were walking for quite some time and later fly Titan Happy for quite some time so the distance from Magnolia and where August used his spell could be ( in my opinion was :P ) was quite big...
while Zeref Army didn't arrive at Magnolia we don't even know if they was close 
( and it's normal Happy we talking about 
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Good thing erza > gray is funnier
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Erza is regarded as borderline fodder. If Wendy bitch slap levy, she will also be erza tier.
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I like how you didn't think it was pretty stupid to think laxus could one shot erza
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The problem is erza was also always stronger than natsu. But he pretty much caught up with her. or that what it looks like.
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Don't know about Woodenstool , don't pay much attention to gildart vs August since August pretty hyped up and mishma is a like a kid.Yeah Crim is ice, there's hardly anyone in this forum (or in the fanbase for that matter) who would put Natsu above Laxus though.
So you're from the Woodenstool team ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Huh? Well yes they did
Provide evidence please.
It doesn't imply otherwise though.
Mountains were probably 10-20 km from the guild, the attack was probably what, 400 km? Perspective.
If they're canon then Glidartz has poof speed, but so what, this is movement speed not attack speed, Laxus hasn't shown poof speed but he must necessarily have it in order to pull off things like this:
If those bullets are supersonic then he had time to react to them and attack them before they hit him.
Another speed feat. In one panel he moves several meters, he's so fast he has to be drawed three times.
This is likely another way to represent poof speed
Glidartz hasn't crashed anything from current Natsu. There's currently no way to know whether Glidartz can negate a mountain busting attack unless God Serena Historia's roar happened to be a mountain busting spell, which I doubt.
Problem would be if he hadn't seen it coming, but if he saw it coming and he still was pierced by it... you could actually even think he voluntarily allowed Brandish to stab him in order to have an excuse not to negotiate and go berserk.
He saw the knife and he saw Brandish. I assume either of the two:
- He didn't consider Brandish a threat and he didn't think she was being manipulated until he'd already been stabbed
- He saw it coming, but he let himself be stabbed in order to have an excuse not to negotiate.
Assuming he couldn't even dodge anyone with no cqc feats stabbing him even when he his body showcases he's got the cqc abilities and he's the king of magic would just be PiS.
Unless they're badly overpowered by that magic: remember Zancrow's flames, they were actually hurting Natsu.
I don't think I brought up this topic to begin with but I'm not denying Natsu can eat GS's flames.
You have nothing to prove August attacks aren't mountain busting.
Erza is like the only relevant character left in this manga, which revolves around friendship. Who's been fighting for friendship forever and whose fighting spirit is only rivaled by that of Natsu, the main character? There really isn't anyone other than Erza who can fill those shoes...
I agree that Natsu would wreck Titania, but a stomp is stretching it. I say he would take her down mid/high difficulty.
Well lol, Crimson makes well argumented posts but for you to say Woodenstool makes better arguments than me feels close to an insult hehe.But better be on his team or even crimson ice team. than make my own assumption to prove my assumption
I still remember your Serena low diffing 3 x erza + jura logic.
Because:
We'll get to see the limits of what Dimaria can do with Age Seal soon enough as she fights again.
Mirajane said she took all the souls left over from Tartarus. I'm going to take her word for it. Even without a body, it's possible that the soul still lingers around. Even if it doesn't exist, like I said the parts in italics were my predictions. The type of attacks Natsu was using in the Avatar arc against Gray and the other members were akin to the type of attacks Natsu was using against Bakyl. These are the type of attacks in which Happy can clearly tell that Natsu was holding back.Why would Mirajane even have a Mard Geer Take Over? As far as I'm concerned there was nothing left of him for her to even take over like with the other Etherious (barring Keyes)
That Mard Geer Take Over has no chances of existing at all..
Also holy shit, Base Natsu above partially demonized Gray? How is even this a thing? In Avatar we were already shown that those two's spells were cancelling each other out.
To even drive this home further there's their individual performances against the members of Avatar, their spells are equally matched in both AOE and even the general effect:
And no, the Curse Markings don't imply that Gray is using Devil Slayer Ice, we were already shown that he can use basic Ice Make spells even in that mode, so the only thing it would do is give him an increment in magic, nothing more and nothing less.
So that already equates that base Gray=Base Natsu
Base Natsu using FDK Spells is on the level of Base Gray using Devil Slaying Magic:
FDK Natsu should be on the level of Devil Slayer Gray, with the Curse Markings and full out using Devil Slaying Techniques, which we have seen little to no of in the timeskip.
DF Natsu(without the Dragonization, Idk why he should even have one in the first place, unless he somehow manages to do what Acnologia did) is on the level of Devil Force Gray
What are you talking about? Cobra attacked, she dodged. Hoteye used his earth attack and she jumped in the air and warded off Cobra and Racer. Then she landed on her feet and Racer tagged her, she got pushed back and Cobra tagged him, effectively taking her down. It wasn't a sneak attack.The first sneak attack Racer did was him not using his magic, so it wasn't fast (Racer affects perception, if she wasn't even looking at him then he her perception of his speed is redundant).
Jellal is WAY faster then even GMG Souring Armour Erza.
She blocked Racer but she was looking at him. Btw just because she blocked the attack doesn't mean Racer did not tag her. And Racer actually attacked Jellal from behind so no.
He more or less blitzed Gajeel. Wahl did not have any difficulty keeping up with base Laxus.
His magic wasn't in effect at that point (see above explanation). When it was, he tagged her.
Neinhart threw the explosion, Kagura did not move, Jellal went in as a meatshield. There is nothing against Jellals speed here. Erza was reactionless so......if anything it shows that Jellal >>> Kagura and Erza in speed.
Terrible excuse. Prove that he did not take the fight seriously and prove that he was trying so little that his reaction speed would have wavered.
Having fast movement speed with momentum is not the same thing as having fast combat speed (see CSK), so I repeat, they have not shown to be overly fast in combat.
We don't know how long it took him to do it since we have no time frame of comparison. One panel is not a set number of time. Those monsters were not road blocks for Natsu, they might as well be feathers for someone of his caliber.
Your joking right?
She tagged him two times when his mindset wasn't exactly concentrated on the actual fight. We clearly see that he could swiftly dodge her attacks. He was doing it effortlessly at that.
Feats against Avatar members might as well be feats against fodders. What are you talking about on the latter?
It had more to do with you making an assumption to prove your assumption. So yeah it should be pretty high up.
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Yeah. Just like how laxus beat Wahl.
