Laxus insta nukes Natsu, Gildarts blitz Natsu from the start and throws mountain busting punches. Gray freezes Natsus fire, Erza blitz Natsu aswell, Elfman hits Natsu like he did with Sayla.
Like I said before, both spells have very similar effects and probably the same mechanics. Therefore, it is safe to assume that Ice Slave would also work on Gray. The target doesn't have to be frozen, for the caster to use Ice Slave. Invel froze Mavis to make sure she couldn't move and Zeref asked him to free her, so he simply cast Ice Slave on her instead, but they are definitely not related spells.
How many of his opponents were not demons or Ice mages? Only one, as far as I can remember: Rufus. And ironically, even he did use ice spells during the fight, with his memory make...
He's in his environment, so I don't see how that isn't an advantage, honestly.
Laxus probably won't nuke Natsu if they fight because he'd fight like he did against Wall.
BDKM was saved for the Zeref f
oncr again you show no evidence that FDKM flames are hotter and can't be put out. Let's make this clear, Gray has divine ice that can freeze ANYTHING instantly.
Natsu's physical strength is bad? I...I don't........what?
But again, this is an assumption that really has no basis or proof. Besides, we saw Invel freeze Gray with actual ice, yet he still broke through. So I can assume just like you and say that Gray will not be affected by Ice Slave. See how this is going nowhere?
I can't name all Gray's previous opponents from the top of my head but Gray did fight people like Bickslow, Juvia, Racer, Wendy + Mest, Ultear, etc.
It isn't an advantage because his opponent who also uses the same element as him is in the same environment. And because his opponent can also resist ice attacks, that automatically makes Gray at a severe disadvantage.
Yes, just like your assumption that Gray would still be victorious if Juvia wasn't there to save him... It holds no basis or proof, either.
I honestly don't recall most of these fights, but I can already see two opponents against whom Gray had an advantage.
That's actually the same to me, but it's more of an advantage than a disadvantage, because you already know what you're up against and how to successfully counter the attacks.
Natsu tried, every complained about it being cold and Natsu set the place ablaze. And that didn't work, he along with his fire got frozen without even noticing who did it. Invel has insane range, and Natsu is slow. Invel would just slap Natsu around with ice attacks from a distance.
I am assuming on Natsu's behalf, since the feats he has with them are quite substantial.
Both Bluenote and God Serena have landed hits on Gildarts. So in fairness, Natsu should be able to hit Gildarts as well.
Serena is resistant to fire, so he's still able to be hurt. Demolishing Strike is still a punch, so it would do damage on Serena.
Natsu, slow? I don't know where you got that from.
2+2=5 because I say so, end of story...
Oh, he would...
You think your posts make sense yet they are so ridiculous sometimes...
I'll just leave a post I made earlier, elaborating about why comparing the Historias is pointless:
Na I don't think thats how it works. Gajeel is basically a metal man, he has screws and everything so it stands to reason that his lungs could potentially be metal and its still feasible (there are even such things as prosthetic hearts). Laxuses lungs aren't made out of lightning, he just has abnormally powerful ones. We did not get much of a glimpse on the battle between Rogue and Bradman, there could be skulls though thats besides the point.
We don't know whether he used curses or not, he may have and he may have not. Either way, point is that if Bradman and Wahl were equal Bradman would be in base against Rogue right now and even then we would have to assume that Minerva ain't downright stronger then Rogue as well as consider DF and Drive non-factors. Unless you wanted to claim that Etherious gives Bradman a bigger boost then assault mode does for Wahl (i'd argue its the opposite).
They aren't stomping but they seem to be Easy-Diff them since there is no visible damage and they don't seem to be showing any signs of exhaustion. In Bradmans case I'd argue its more of a Mid-Diff fight since he is in his strongest state (even if he isn't using the curses, which I would question).
Except its not really intricate. Minerva should be stronger then Rogue (I am even assuming that base Rogue is full power Rogue here for Bradman). Wahl is defeating her in base. Bradman is defeating Rogue in etherious form. Its pretty straight forward IMO. Wahl gets massively underrated for whatever reason. He's easily in the top 5 among the Spriggan. Immune to 95% of hax (due to his machina disposition and weakness magic) and raw power close to Laxuses. Bradmans lower on the spectrum because the curses are somewhat outdated (the only one that still holds up is Tenchi Kaimei but even thats kinda eh by Spriggan standards). Ima wait till DiMaria uses Age Seal against a Spriggan (namely Brandish) before making a Spriggan rankings with full detail.
Yes, we are comparing a persons pre time skip feats to the current Natsu.2+2=5 because I say so, end of story...
Oh, he would...
You think your posts make sense yet they are so ridiculous sometimes...
1st: Do you know whether Natsu was using his 100% physical strength when he dealt with Jacob?
2nd: Do you know the difference in constitution, physical durability and strength of Jacob?
3rd: Do you know Bluenote's? Can you compare them at all?
4th: Why do you believe Bluenote is phisically stronger than Natsu?
5th: You do understand Natsu's defeated opponents with more MP than his own, probably because he's stronger in terms of phisicallity
6th: Even if you had sound reasons to believe so, don't you understand that Natsu phisically has grown stronger than most of the characters because Mashima wanted it this way?
7th: Even if point 6 was untrue, it is unimportant whether a character is phisically stronger or weaker, what is important here is if s/he can defeat an opponent, no matter the method. And the truth is, Natsu can defeat Bluenote by blowing on him. If you deny to accept that it's on you. It's also on you that you always use borderline canon or not canon material in your arguments, or that you rely on pre-pre-timeskip feats (pre-7, Tenrou) when even current Lisanna could likely defeat Tenrou Glidartz by now (that's obviously an exaggeration, but you definetely need to understand Tenrou characters are weakass by current standards, even Tenrou top-tiers are weak now).
You keep assuming characters this, characters that. Heck you might not like Natsu, I personally don't particularly like him over other characters! But you need to stop saying he's slow when you have no proof he is. He didn't use his top speed because he hasn't had the need to just yet!
You're the type of person who would defend that Natsu is slower than Wendy because Wendy showed poof speed (yeah, and pre-ts!) whereas Natsu hasn't just yet! That's a fallacy, I think anyone with certain common sense understands that. Natsu is faster than Wendy but he hasn't shown poof speed, do you understand that?
You get to say Natsu is not fast when he loses a physicall fight in which he used his top speed yet he lost because he didn't show significant speed feats. Not before.
Honestly it's like saying Zeref is not a mountain buster because he didn't bust a mountain. OFC he can bust a mountain if he wants! He is a top tier. Acnologia freaking casually busts islands, Zeref can 99% certainly bust mountains.
Natsu had to punch Neinhart while being pushed back by a whirlwind. Not an accurate representation of his speed.
He was in Base state in GMG.For the first time we hear about FDKM was in chapter 464.Moreover he had intense aura in FDKM which he lacked at that time.The stadium started melting after he actually attacked.Compare it in FDKM where Jacob started writhing in pain even before he actually attacked.
Fair enough, my bad. I'm actually glad tbh, it means Bradman can deal with DS's more effectively.
I think it's fair to speculate that his Second Seal hasn't been activated, in his fight with Gajeel the field of bones were still there long after his activation of the Second Seal. It's for this reason that I'm almost certain that the Second Seal hasn't been used.
It's hard to measure how much of a boost his Etherious form gives him, he didn't exactly do much for going into his Etherious form. In fact I'd say that proves his Etherious form gives him a great boost, he only started using the 9DG curses when he went Third Seal and he can only use his most powerful curse (Over Skelter) in that form. With the above being said I would argue that his Etherious Form gives him a greater boost than Wahl's Assault Mode.
As I raised above, I don't think it's fair to judge Bradman going Third Seal as him being pushed, as we've only seen him use the First and Second Seals in his base mode. The fact that we haven't seen his Historia use any curses in the Third Seal form is an indicator that he can't use them now, as the first thing he did against Gajeel was spam the 9DG curses whereas against Rogue he's just using CQC. To put it bluntly, he may have been nerfed so hard that he only has his Three Seals (which would be heavily nerfed) and CQC. The fact that's he's against Rogue doesn't help either as Rogue can also go intangible, meaning that one of his main advantages (MBP body) is moot.
As I mentioned above, HistMan is up against someone who bypasses his best defense and is a CQC fighter, with all the evidence we can get from the few panels we have HistMan hasn't been shown using any curses whatsoever and he's still winning his fight with ease, the same ease as Wahl.
Nice how you evaded most of what I said.
1. It is debatable whether Neinheart dodged it or it kind of hit him but OK, let's assume he dodged.
It is pointless to argue about pre-TS feats or characters who have pre-TS abilities, and I mean Tenrou characters. Natsu's evolved way too much to be compared to the likes of Bluenote even just in phisicallity.
1. Jacob might've well be using magic to defend from magical attacks.
Both were using their magics before empyrean. Re-read the fight.
Bloodman didn't solo them in the second day.Sting did say that all 3 of them soloed entire ST,BP.And powerwise Wahl is above.Wahl's attacks seriously injured Laxus while Bloodman's attacks though injured Gajeel but not to the extent of Wahl's injury on Laxus.