Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ebony Maw]

Wall is above Bloodman for mine. Bloodman's best asset is his hax intangibility. We can equate that as Bloodman having better physicals than Wall. But Wall's offence is also better than Bloodman's. Weakness magic gives Wall an edge in combat, and is adept at long or close range. I'd say he is a better combatant overall. Wall is arguably doing better against Minerva than Bloodman is against Rogue.

I'm not going to use the Historias to judge this but I heavily believe that Bradman is >= Wahl (hopefully this isn't bias lol) because of they're respective fights.

Bradman was easy-diffing Gajeel casually, whilst only using his worst curses (bar the Three Seals), he didn't strip Gajeel's senses away, he didn't Macro him, he didn't enhance himself. Despite this Gajeel still needed Levy to save him on two occasions, the first being when he was trapped in the Second Seal. While I don't believe it would have killed him, it would certainly have given Bradman a chance to use another curse on him while he was occupied. The second time Levy intervened was when Bradman used Tenchi Kamei, on his own Gajeel couldn't really do anything as even if he ate the Carbon as Bradman would still be intangible. Even with this help Gajeel couldn't do anything to Bradman, with his roar being cancelled out by Bradman's DeS and Gajeel's final assault (before going DF) being met with a taunt and a thorn that went straight through his abdomen. On top of this, regular DF Gajeel likely wouldn't have been able to hit Bradman, he only managed to alter his Magic because he ate the MBP's meaning that a regular DF Gajeel would still have to deal with Bradman's MBP body. As a final note, Bradman's defense is likely equal (if not greater) than Wahl's because of his MBP body mitigating physical damage and his Absorption curse mitigating Magical/Elemental damage.

In comparison, Wahl gave a dying Laxus a run for his money. Now don't get me wrong, that's impressive but the fact is that the moment Laxus became healthy he went on to beat Wahl fairly quickly. Now obviously this is because Laxus is a beast but the point still stands that Assault Wahl (his strongest form) was only giving an extreme diff fight whilst Third Seal Bradman was easy-diffing Gajeel whilst being casual. The feats are almost comparable if you take into account that they both entered their best forms but Wahl was serious whereas Bradman was "fighting to his hearts content", in other words Bradman could have ended his fight sooner had he become serious.

As far as feats go I'd say their roughly equal (Laxus seems to be a couple of tiers above Gajeel) but the reason I think Bradman is greater than Wahl in power ranking is because his MBP hax kills people passively and only a select few can deal with this, and even then they have to deal with his other hax like the Sensation Curse and Macro. Another big reason I rank Bradman as slightly above Wahl is his suicide attack, it's essentially something that means he can draw with many of his opponents as it's the last thing they expect. Overall, while Wahl would obviously beat Bradman due to his MBP nullifier, Bradman has the edge in terms of general combat as there are only a select few who can deal with his first hax (MBP's), let alone the rest of his hax.

 

[Spirit]

I'm not going to use the Historias to judge this but I heavily believe that Bradman is >= Wahl (hopefully this isn't bias lol) because of they're respective fights.

Bradman was easy-diffing Gajeel casually, whilst only using his worst curses (bar the Three Seals), he didn't strip Gajeel's senses away, he didn't Macro him, he didn't enhance himself. Despite this Gajeel still needed Levy to save him on two occasions, the first being when he was trapped in the Second Seal. While I don't believe it would have killed him, it would certainly have given Bradman a chance to use another curse on him while he was occupied. The second time Levy intervened was when Bradman used Tenchi Kamei, on his own Gajeel couldn't really do anything as even if he ate the Carbon as Bradman would still be intangible. Even with this help Gajeel couldn't do anything to Bradman, with his roar being cancelled out by Bradman's DeS and Gajeel's final assault (before going DF) being met with a taunt and a thorn that went straight through his abdomen. On top of this, regular DF Gajeel likely wouldn't have been able to hit Bradman, he only managed to alter his Magic because he ate the MBP's meaning that a regular DF Gajeel would still have to deal with Bradman's MBP body. As a final note, Bradman's defense is likely equal (if not greater) than Wahl's because of his MBP body mitigating physical damage and his Absorption curse mitigating Magical/Elemental damage.

In comparison, Wahl gave a dying Laxus a run for his money. Now don't get me wrong, that's impressive but the fact is that the moment Laxus became healthy he went on to beat Wahl fairly quickly. Now obviously this is because Laxus is a beast but the point still stands that Assault Wahl (his strongest form) was only giving an extreme diff fight whilst Third Seal Bradman was easy-diffing Gajeel whilst being casual. The feats are almost comparable if you take into account that they both entered their best forms but Wahl was serious whereas Bradman was "fighting to his hearts content", in other words Bradman could have ended his fight sooner had he become serious.

As far as feats go I'd say their roughly equal (Laxus seems to be a couple of tiers above Gajeel) but the reason I think Bradman is greater than Wahl in power ranking is because his MBP hax kills people passively and only a select few can deal with this, and even then they have to deal with his other hax like the Sensation Curse and Macro. Another big reason I rank Bradman as slightly above Wahl is his suicide attack, it's essentially something that means he can draw with many of his opponents as it's the last thing they expect. Overall, while Wahl would obviously beat Bradman due to his MBP nullifier, Bradman has the edge in terms of general combat as there are only a select few who can deal with his first hax (MBP's), let alone the rest of his hax.

True. And his Kamikaze style finishing move would catch most people by surprise too. I mean, Gajeel lost that battle, just as Bradman did (Since he actually died lmao) But something makes me wonder if Bradman is actually a Historia? I mean, his whole character is centred around death, and he can use Curse Power, which usually only Demons can use. What if Bradman has actually gone through this process before? I mean, it doesn't feel like that was just something he would do so casually if it'd actually permanently kill him

 

[Ebony Maw]

True. And his Kamikaze style finishing move would catch most people by surprise too. I mean, Gajeel lost that battle, just as Bradman did (Since he actually died lmao) But something makes me wonder if Bradman is actually a Historia? I mean, his whole character is centred around death, and he can use Curse Power, which usually only Demons can use. What if Bradman has actually gone through this process before? I mean, it doesn't feel like that was just something he would do so casually if it'd actually permanently kill him

As much as I'd love for Bradman to come back I don't think it would work, from what Bradman said as he kamikaze'd Gajeel he was dying. Also I'm pretty sure Bradman is a demon, as only demons have shown the ability to have an Etherious form, which his Third Seal appears to be. (That said his second mouth may suggest otherwise, it's really out of place)

As for his kamikaze, that would likely catch almost anyone out and it seems to be inescapable, it's definitely one of Bradman's haxiest tricks.

 

[Brandish μ]

I can't see a single Spriggan stomping Gildarts. Not even August or Irene. Maybe DiMaria can stomp with Age Seal. But anyone who has to face Gildarts is not going to stomp him - in fact they'll likely lose (assuming he's top in the guild).

I'm not going to use the Historias to judge this but I heavily believe that Bradman is >= Wahl (hopefully this isn't bias lol) because of they're respective fights.

It's not necessarily bias because their actual fight at full power is much more informative. But the Historia fights can be used to compare Wall and Bloodman - it doesn't have to be a decisive factor or anything, but it's still information.

Bradman was easy-diffing Gajeel casually, whilst only using his worst curses (bar the Three Seals), he didn't strip Gajeel's senses away, he didn't Macro him, he didn't enhance himself. Despite this Gajeel still needed Levy to save him on two occasions, the first being when he was trapped in the Second Seal. While I don't believe it would have killed him, it would certainly have given Bradman a chance to use another curse on him while he was occupied. The second time Levy intervened was when Bradman used Tenchi Kamei, on his own Gajeel couldn't really do anything as even if he ate the Carbon as Bradman would still be intangible. Even with this help Gajeel couldn't do anything to Bradman, with his roar being cancelled out by Bradman's DeS and Gajeel's final assault (before going DF) being met with a taunt and a thorn that went straight through his abdomen. On top of this, regular DF Gajeel likely wouldn't have been able to hit Bradman, he only managed to alter his Magic because he ate the MBP's meaning that a regular DF Gajeel would still have to deal with Bradman's MBP body. As a final note, Bradman's defense is likely equal (if not greater) than Wahl's because of his MBP body mitigating physical damage and his Absorption curse mitigating Magical/Elemental damage.

I kinda disagree with easy-diffing. Mainly because I think using your best doesn't mean easy. He was certainly taking no damage, but he couldn't put Gajeel away either, even with Over Skelter.

In comparison, Wahl gave a dying Laxus a run for his money. Now don't get me wrong, that's impressive but the fact is that the moment Laxus became healthy he went on to beat Wahl fairly quickly. Now obviously this is because Laxus is a beast but the point still stands that Assault Wahl (his strongest form) was only giving an extreme diff fight whilst Third Seal Bradman was easy-diffing Gajeel whilst being casual. The feats are almost comparable if you take into account that they both entered their best forms but Wahl was serious whereas Bradman was "fighting to his hearts content", in other words Bradman could have ended his fight sooner had he become serious.

I think Laxus was fine until his body actually played up. At that point he was pretty much owned (by his own sickness and Wall). I'd change this viewpoint if Laxus is shown to be superior after the anti-magic particles were gone.

Wall changed his personality type to be heartless, so I agree his intent was to kill (programmed). Bloodman used his best attacks imo, well Idk if he has anything better than Over Skelter. Bloodman uses those old English phrases so I'm not sure how to interpret his behaviour, but from his attacks he seemed pretty serious to me.

As far as feats go I'd say their roughly equal (Laxus seems to be a couple of tiers above Gajeel) but the reason I think Bradman is greater than Wahl in power ranking is because his MBP hax kills people passively and only a select few can deal with this, and even then they have to deal with his other hax like the Sensation Curse and Macro. Another big reason I rank Bradman as slightly above Wahl is his suicide attack, it's essentially something that means he can draw with many of his opponents as it's the last thing they expect. Overall, while Wahl would obviously beat Bradman due to his MBP nullifier, Bradman has the edge in terms of general combat as there are only a select few who can deal with his first hax (MBP's), let alone the rest of his hax.

It would have been something to see him use Macro, aborption and Sensation curses (I believe Mirajane could be used as a reference for Bloodman's curse power, though he'd be stronger than her). That said I'd still peg their overall combat ability as below Over Skelter, since that is his strongest curse.

The suicide attack is definitely noteworthy. I'd think Wall's Etherion cannon is probably more of a trump card though.

We can agree to disagree on whose better in combat. I think Bloodman's variety of hax is nothing to scoff at. And the point you made about select people being able to deal with him is also a good one. But I tend to favour heavier hitters/tanks over hax, and that bias comes from the tendency of those types to win battles in the manga. With hax they always seem unbeatable more than they tend to be unbeatable.

 

[Char]

I feel like debunking your post now

That was to generate hype.

Do you feel it logical that Glidartz wants to generate hype on God Serena? What reason would he have?
It is ridiculous. He said it because it was harder than expected for him to deal with a seriously depowered Serena; he'd have an extreme 50/50 fight with the original one, that's what he said. Don't ignore things at whim.

Feat-wise he's the second fastest human character after Acnologia,

Assuming Ice Trail is not cannon, he is not. In the real manga he hasn't shown anything anywhere close to great speed.

and strength-wise him and God Serena don't even compare.

Maybe God Serena couldn't punch a hill and destroy it, but he could destroy it by other means. All spriggan mages should be at least mountain busters.

Gildarts was able to destroy a mountain with a single punch,

As @Crimson Ice has mentioned again and again, that was a large hill but nowhere close to a mountain. Believe me, I've seen many hills, and mountains. Hills can have trees and rivers too!

something that is leagues above God Serena's actual Earth Dragon Slayer magic.

You reminded me of the attack God Serena used, I had forgotten about it. As a matter of fact, it showed quite a lot of strength and DC.

The main thing though is that Gildarts' Crash is the perfect counter for God Serena's projectile-focuses Dragon Slayer magic.

While that is correct, if such projectiles are too powerful, Glidartz isn't gonna be able to intercept them. Could he crash Acnologia's roars? No, because they are too large. God Serena, on a smaller scale, would pose a serious threat to Glidartz, so don't just assume he can crash anything he's thrown at.

He showed Crash works on energy attacks like Natsu's fire, meaning most of God Serena's shown arsenal would be useless against Gildarts.

Current Natsu would probably give him a hell of a fight. Heck he may even beat Glidartz. His flames are no pushover no more. You know that Natsu can defeat spriggans easily, don't you? Glidartz, on the other hand, hasn't still beaten a single one.

Gildarts durability totally outclasses Serena. He was able to survive dragon Acnologia who ripped a hole in his belly, tear an arm and leg.

Glidartz got injured by Bluenote, he got injured by 30% Serena... Whereas Serena was unfazed after receiving multiple attacks from the GoI. Debunked.

It's ok, people on this forum ignore feats.

No, you're the one who can't accept it when you are wrong. Why won't you admit that you didn't know how much the speed of light implied, and that you were wrong now that I educated you with my previous post? It'd be pleasurable to read you say "Ok, I was wrong, Glidartz is not FTL". I do concede when I'm wrong you know? Which is often.

He blitzed bluenote as soon as his power got back. Then he blitzed him again with Empyrean when separated without him noticing.

Glidartz did NOT blitz Bluenote a single time, he just beat him with easy-mid difficulty in their Round 2. In their Round 1, they were pretty much equals.

He was also able to send so much force upward that in the time it took Bluenote to move a dozen or so meters up that clouds multiple kilometers up were split. Bluenote was gone by the time Rustyrose hit the ground.

Which only proves Glidartz's strength is mountain busting, which is about the required energy to push the mass of the human to the clouds.

Gildarts has casual mountain busting punches and insane speeds. Combine those two means Gildarts can throw multiple mountain busting punches instantaneously.

I wouldn't say he has "casual mountain busting punches". First of all, after Tartaros, he tore apart a hill; secondly, in the battlefield, the crashed the floor, and the AoE was that of a town. Also, he can't spam as hasn't been shown to. Debunked.

 

[Brandish μ]

I wouldn't say he has "casual mountain busting punches". First of all, after Tartaros, he tore apart a hill; secondly, in the battlefield, the crashed the floor, and the AoE was that of a town. Also, he can't spam as hasn't been shown to.

I agree they aren't casual punches. I consider his Tartaros mountain punch and destruction of the current battlefield a serious punch from Gildarts using his crash magic. His power can be almost uncontrollable - and what I think happens here is the power just spreads through the ground. Empyrean to me is a concentration of his power so that his opponent takes the full brunt.

I speculate Gildarts will have a new spell to show us. He used Empyrean against Serena, and in his next fight (maybe August) we'll see a bigger technique. I think he showed his improved defence, cracking Serena's spells easily and in close quarters (compared to Blackhole where it wasn't cracked easily/quickly).

 

[Ebony Maw]

It's not necessarily bias because their actual fight at full power is much more informative. But the Historia fights can be used to compare Wall and Bloodman - it doesn't have to be a decisive factor or anything, but it's still information.

The main reason I don't use the Historia fights is because they're both so nerfed they might as well be different characters. That and Bradman's up against an opponent that can bypass his intangibility.

I kinda disagree with easy-diffing. Mainly because I think using your best doesn't mean easy. He was certainly taking no damage, but he couldn't put Gajeel away either, even with Over Skelter.

I won't lie, I have no idea if Over Skelter is actually that powerful, going by the running theme of "The Three Seals" (that being stealing life) I think it's true purpose is to trap them in a whirlpool of skulls while they continue to drain the life of the victim. This would make sense as to why he was surprised they got out and not how they tanked the attack. As for him not putting Gajeel 6 feet under, he may not have done it quickly but he was getting close, DF was clearly the "do or die" move for Gajeel.

I think Laxus was fine until his body actually played up. At that point he was pretty much owned (by his own sickness and Wall). I'd change this viewpoint if Laxus is shown to be superior after the anti-magic particles were gone.

Good point, you've swayed me on that.

Wall changed his personality type to be heartless, so I agree his intent was to kill (programmed). Bloodman used his best attacks imo, well Idk if he has anything better than Over Skelter. Bloodman uses those old English phrases so I'm not sure how to interpret his behaviour, but from his attacks he seemed pretty serious to me.

I'd say Bradman wasn't taking it too seriously, since we know he has the 9DG curses we can estimate based on that. Bradman used the Bomb Curse, Tenga Goken, Tenchi Kamei and DeS Rage in succession. These curses aren't the most hax of the 9DG, though you could argue that Tenchi Kamei is, however I'd argue that he used that for movement control and hitting multiple targets. At any point Bradman could have stripped Gajeel's senses or Macro'd Levy, so I reckon that Bradman wasn't being serious given that he didn't do that.

I am aware that this is giving Bradman benefit of the doubt but given that he said "So they are. And that is fine by me. (In regards to Gajeel's metal lungs) I shall take this rare opportunity to fight to mine heart's content!" I think it's fair to say that at the very least he wasn't serious at the start.

It would have been something to see him use Macro, aborption and Sensation curses (I believe Mirajane could be used as a reference for Bloodman's curse power, though he'd be stronger than her). That said I'd still peg their overall combat ability as below Over Skelter, since that is his strongest curse.

Being honest I'm not really surprised that Over Skelter > 9DG curses in terms of danger, that said the 9DG are probably more damaging initially as you can't really escape them whereas you can escape the radius if Over Skelter. Bradman seems to be about creating combo's with his curses, for example the Second Seal + 9DG curses (The Second Seal was active during the entire battle after he activated it).

The suicide attack is definitely noteworthy. I'd think Wall's Etherion cannon is probably more of a trump card though.

I think they're probably equal as while the Etherion is highly damaging it takes a long time to charge up whereas Bradman's kamikaze is almost certain to kill but it requires his sacrifice as well. It's a matter of risk/reward really, as Wahl could be killed whilst charging the Etherion, whereas Bradman is going to die but is almost certain to take someone with him (so long as a certain spell isn't cast....).

We can agree to disagree on whose better in combat. I think Bloodman's variety of hax is nothing to scoff at. And the point you made about select people being able to deal with him is also a good one. But I tend to favour heavier hitters/tanks over hax, and that bias comes from the tendency of those types to win battles in the manga. With hax they always seem unbeatable more than they tend to be unbeatable.

I agree with this, picking between Bradman and Wahl is really a matter of stating if you prefer hax or raw power. They're pretty much complete opposites of each other but are almost complete equals, the only reason I give Bradman an edge is due to his huge advantage against humans, as most opponents are going to be human.

 

[Arjuna]

I will say Wahl is stronger than Bloodman.Wahl gave Laxus a run for his money.And Bloodman without his haxes are not that strong compared to other Spriggans.His performance
Ice Devil's rage countered by Base Gajeel's rage
His Thorn curse pierced through Gajeel but it didn't stop him from fighting.
Onimaru couldn't permanently take down Gajeel
And what if Gildarts fights END instead of August if he comes next chapter

 

[Asorx]

My sprinngan Ranking + Gildarts.
1.August
2.Elieen
3.Dimaria/Larcade
4. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
5.Brandish(Shrink Organs)
6.Jackob(Transport)
GILDARTS
7.Invel
8.Wahl
9.God Serena
10. Bloodman
11.Ajeel
12.Nineheart
Like @BluePegasus said. "Saying Gildarts is the second strongest character in the series is really insane." What can Gildarts do for Transport, Age Seal and Shrink Organs. I don't even compare him to Eileen and August because Eileen confront Acno and August is on par or even stronger than her when Gildarts lose to acno in few seconds.

 

[Woodenstool]

I feel like debunking your post now



Do you feel it logical that Glidartz wants to generate hype on God Serena? What reason would he have?
It is ridiculous. He said it because it was harder than expected for him to deal with a seriously depowered Serena; he'd have an extreme 50/50 fight with the original one, that's what he said. Don't ignore things at whim.



Assuming Ice Trail is not cannon, he is not. In the real manga he hasn't shown anything anywhere close to great speed.



Maybe God Serena couldn't punch a hill and destroy it, but he could destroy it by other means. All spriggan mages should be at least mountain busters.



As @Crimson Ice has mentioned again and again, that was a large hill but nowhere close to a mountain. Believe me, I've seen many hills, and mountains. Hills can have trees and rivers too!



You reminded me of the attack God Serena used, I had forgotten about it. As a matter of fact, it showed quite a lot of strength and DC.



While that is correct, if such projectiles are too powerful, Glidartz isn't gonna be able to intercept them. Could he crash Acnologia's roars? No, because they are too large. God Serena, on a smaller scale, would pose a serious threat to Glidartz, so don't just assume he can crash anything he's thrown at.



Current Natsu would probably give him a hell of a fight. Heck he may even beat Glidartz. His flames are no pushover no more. You know that Natsu can defeat spriggans easily, don't you? Glidartz, on the other hand, hasn't still beaten a single one.



Glidartz got injured by Bluenote, he got injured by 30% Serena... Whereas Serena was unfazed after receiving multiple attacks from the GoI. Debunked.



No, you're the one who can't accept it when you are wrong. Why won't you admit that you didn't know how much the speed of light implied, and that you were wrong now that I educated you with my previous post? It'd be pleasurable to read you say "Ok, I was wrong, Glidartz is not FTL". I do concede when I'm wrong you know? Which is often.



Glidartz did NOT blitz Bluenote a single time, he just beat him with easy-mid difficulty in their Round 2. In their Round 1, they were pretty much equals.



Which only proves Glidartz's strength is mountain busting, which is about the required energy to push the mass of the human to the clouds.



I wouldn't say he has "casual mountain busting punches". First of all, after Tartaros, he tore apart a hill; secondly, in the battlefield, the crashed the floor, and the AoE was that of a town. Also, he can't spam as hasn't been shown to. Debunked.

You haven't debunked anything.

Saying someone is strong=/=equals

Ice Trail is cannon

Calling it a hill does not make it look any smaller, Gildarts busted a mountain casually. August isn't a mountain buster himself, I've already proved this wrong ages ago.

Did you really just say God Serenas attack was strong?
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/470/9

Gildarts casual punch is much more stronger.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/497/13

Crash destroyed a mountain with ease, and the picture above shows even more aoe with crash. Gildarts is able to negate all of his spells.

Natsu would not win against Gildarts, he is not fast enough and all of Natsu spells are useless because it wouldn't touch Gildarts.

Bluenotestinger was stomping Gildarts when his magic power was drained leaving Gildarts completely useless. The Gods of Isghar are featless, so no, its not debunked.

Gildarts did blitz bluenotestinger, do I need to remind you about this?
Mind you the video is an AMV.

Gildarts blitzing bluenotestinger.

Gildarts moving several feet before Natsu even notices and reacts.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/495/22 Gildarts coming out of nowhere destroying God Serenas spell.

Gildarts was not using magic empowered punches, his casual punches level mountains.

Gildarts destroying the mountain in anime.

http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/14 "poof!" speed
http://www.mangapanda.com/tale-of-fairy-ice-trail-koori-no-kiseki/4/18 13 punches with one arm instantaneously

What did you debunk? Nothing.

 

[sardinestunasalmon]

Rank these girls.

All Current:

Erza
Mira
Kagura
Minerva
DF Wendy
Lucy

So where would Lucy place now after THAT chapter among these characters? I'm curious how people would interpret her strength after her fight with Brandish. Has she already moved to the level of the other girls?

 

[Woodenstool]

My sprinngan Ranking + Gildarts.
1.August
2.Elieen
3.Dimaria/Larcade
4. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
5.Brandish(Shrink Organs)
6.Jackob(Transport)
GILDARTS
7.Invel
8.Wahl
9.God Serena
10. Bloodman
11.Ajeel
12.Nineheart
Like @BluePegasus said. "Saying Gildarts is the second strongest character in the series is really insane." What can Gildarts do for Transport, Age Seal and Shrink Organs. I don't even compare him to Eileen and August because Eileen confront Acno and August is on par or even stronger than her when Gildarts lose to acno in few seconds.

Dimaria can stop time and kill August, Irene, and Larcade. Higher magic power =/= useless magic.

 

[Jko]

Dimaria can stop time and kill August, Irene, and Larcade. Higher magic power =/= useless magic.

August and Irene are unquestionably the top 2. Larcade has hype to surpass DiMaria he just isn't a clear definite.

 

[Char]

You haven't debunked anything.

Yeah I have...

Saying someone is strong=/=equals

Implying, had he been alive, God Serena would be on par with him, or superior.

Portrayed as equals here. And this is 30% Serena (approximately) vs 100% Glidartz.

Eventually, Glidartz's superiority is glaring. Of course, it had to be, since it's 30% Serena not full power Serena. But if he had been faster than light, Glidartz would've oneshot... and he didn't Actually, look at Glidartz's faces. He has scratches!!!! What does it tell you? Analyze the situation, will you? Well, I'll let you know, since you don't seem to understand:
1. There was a battle in there. There was an interchange of blows as equals even though God Serena was nowhere near his full power. God Serena managed to hurt Glidartz which means Glidartz didn't get to crash everything that he was thrown at.
2. Glidartz is not that fast... is he? His speed was portrayed as being equal with Historia Serena, he didn't blitz at any moment, and actually he couldn't dodge or crash (react to) God Serena...

Ice Trail is cannon

Ice Trail was neither written by Hiro Mashima nor drawn by it.
Tale of Fairy Tail: Ice Trail (氷の軌跡, アイストレイル, Aisu Toreiru) is a Japanese manga series by Yusuke Shirato and a spin-off of Hiro Mashima's manga series Fairy Tail. That it's a spin-off doesn't mean it's not canon. Indeed, Fairy Tail Zero is an example of a spin-off which is definitely canon.
Difference:
Fairy Tail Zero is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Hiro Mashima. Ice Trail is not.
Conclusion: Ice Trail is not canon.

Calling it a hill does not make it look any smaller, Gildarts busted a mountain casually. August isn't a mountain buster himself, I've already proved this wrong ages ago.

Destructive Capacity is simply the capacity of a character to cause destruction. It is useful for scaling the power of a character and is THE most common method of determining how much damage a character can dish out. Destructive capacity is based on the ability to destroy with a single attack.
Some categories:
1. Below Street Level - An ant in our yard is here
2. Street Level - We are here
3. Wall/Tree Level - Superhuman threshold. Many FT fodders are here.
4. Small Building Level - Many FT characters are here.
5. Large Building Level - It requires 0.25 tons of TNT to destroy this. Most FT characters are here.
6. City Block Level - It requires 11 tons of TNT to destroy this. Mid-high tiers in FT are here.

BETWEEN city block and town level is this:

This is almost a town busting attack. From end to end of the rock blocks, there must be around 1 km diameter. This is a small town level feat.

7. Town Level - 5800 tons of TNT are required to destory a town. This is the necessary energy to destroy a diameter of 5 to city areas of 10 km. The term "hill level" has some overlap here. Why? Because destroying a 1 km in diameter, 300 m high hill requires as much energy as the necessary to destroy an 8 km town in diameter. Amazing, huh?

This is the hill Glidartz destroyed.

This is a mountain that is close to my house. It is 850 m high (1050 m high from sea level). Compare them. Are they as big for you? No, clearly not. The mountain I'm showing you is taller and much wider.

EVEN if you believed that they are the same size, then you'd consider him mountain level. But I recall @Crimson Ice mentioning something along the lines that the amount of energy necessary to bust a mountain is much different when it is just 'breaking' it. Glidartz is not deintegrating the mountain (like 8 megatons of TNT would do), he is just breaking it in pieces. Which requires WAY less energy.

Glidartz casual punching strength can be seen in this calc: http://animevice.boards.net/thread/2524/gildarts-casual-striking-power-calc

When Glidartz sends someone flying, it actually requires around 132 tons of energy. So empyrean is, yeah, somewhere between city block and small town.

8. City/Mountain Level - 6,800,000 tons of TNT is the starting point for this categori, which ranges to 2,000,000,000 tons. Nowhere near Glidartz's gauge, at least not by feats.

9. Island Level - Starting from 2,900,000,000 for small islands. Only Acnologia's roar has shown such energy.

Did you really just say God Serenas attack was strong?
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/470/9

Yes. This ranges from city block to town level similar to Glidartz's punch to the floor against the soldiers. It is smaller though, but not much more. It must be 0,8 km in diameter, at a rough guess.

Crash destroyed a mountain with ease, and the picture above shows even more aoe with crash. Gildarts is able to negate all of his spells.

Don't be counterproductive for your own arguments, if you say that breaking the floor for an area of 1 km diameter is more than destroying a big hill, you clearly know nothing about physics. Don't take me wrong I don't know much but at least I educate myself before claiming things.

Natsu would not win against Gildarts, he is not fast enough and all of Natsu spells are useless because it wouldn't touch Gildarts.

That Natsu couldn't beat Glidartz is an assumption of yours. Currently his feats are above his. Natsu has defeated two spriggans; the second time he defeated one, it was done casually and in base, and that spriggan was enhanced. Whereas his lake evaporating feat requires at least a similar amount of energy as Glidartz punching through the big hill, or more according to calcs.

That he is not fast enough is also subjective, as we know Natsu is very, very fast; but we can't gauge Glidartz's speed, since:
1- Ice Trail is not cannon, I rely on manga facts, anything other than that is unreliable.
2- Even if we were to take the speed Glidartz showcased in Ice Trail, we only know he is faster than the eye of FODDER, we can't gauge his real speed.

Bluenotestinger was stomping Gildarts when his magic power was drained leaving Gildarts completely useless. The Gods of Isghar are featless, so no, its not debunked.

Incorrect.

Here, they are portrayed as equals and this happens before the Tenrou Tree falls.

Gildarts did blitz bluenotestinger, do I need to remind you about this?
Mind you the video is an AMV.

Gildarts blitzing bluenotestinger.

Gildarts moving several feet before Natsu even notices and reacts.

No video material shall be considered reliable in this thread.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/495/22

Gildarts coming out of nowhere destroying God Serenas spell.

What does this prove? Nothing really. Just that Glidartz came at the right time and intercepted an attack from Historia Serena (weakling) surprising the latter since God Serena didn't know GLidartz was anywhere near, and the smokescreen didnt allow for GLidartz to be seen. No more.

Gildarts was not using magic empowered punches, his casual punches level mountains.

Wrong, pal, I've already debunked that.

Dimaria can stop time and kill August, Irene, and Larcade. Higher magic power =/= useless magic.

Bullshit. We already have evidence that a certain level of magic does not work to certain mages who are way above (i.e. Brandish's magic won't affect Neinheart => Brandish's magic won't affect Irene => Dimaria's magic won't affect Irene => Dimaria's magic won't affect August by being portrayed as Irene's equal).

Sorry but please, understand you are wrong, admit it, concede and move on. The earth won't stop if you admit you've been led by the bias.

 

[Jko]

Yeah I have...

Implying, had he been alive, God Serena would be on par with him, or superior.

Portrayed as equals here. And this is 30% Serena (approximately) vs 100% Glidartz.

Eventually, Glidartz's superiority is glaring. Of course, it had to be, since it's 30% Serena not full power Serena. But if he had been faster than light, Glidartz would've oneshot... and he didn't Actually, look at Glidartz's faces. He has scratches!!!! What does it tell you? Analyze the situation, will you? Well, I'll let you know, since you don't seem to understand:
1. There was a battle in there. There was an interchange of blows as equals even though God Serena was nowhere near his full power. God Serena managed to hurt Glidartz which means Glidartz didn't get to crash everything that he was thrown at.
2. Glidartz is not that fast... is he? His speed was portrayed as being equal with Historia Serena, he didn't blitz at any moment, and actually he couldn't dodge or crash (react to) God Serena...



Ice Trail was neither written by Hiro Mashima nor drawn by it.
Tale of Fairy Tail: Ice Trail (氷の軌跡, アイストレイル, Aisu Toreiru) is a Japanese manga series by Yusuke Shirato and a spin-off of Hiro Mashima's manga series Fairy Tail. That it's a spin-off doesn't mean it's not canon. Indeed, Fairy Tail Zero is an example of a spin-off which is definitely canon.
Difference:
Fairy Tail Zero is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Hiro Mashima. Ice Trail is not.
Conclusion: Ice Trail is not canon.



Destructive Capacity is simply the capacity of a character to cause destruction. It is useful for scaling the power of a character and is THE most common method of determining how much damage a character can dish out. Destructive capacity is based on the ability to destroy with a single attack.
Some categories:
1. Below Street Level - An ant in our yard is here
2. Street Level - We are here
3. Wall/Tree Level - Superhuman threshold. Many FT fodders are here.
4. Small Building Level - Many FT characters are here.
5. Large Building Level - It requires 0.25 tons of TNT to destroy this. Most FT characters are here.
6. City Block Level - It requires 11 tons of TNT to destroy this. Mid-high tiers in FT are here.

BETWEEN city block and town level is this:

This is almost a town busting attack. From end to end of the rock blocks, there must be around 1 km diameter. This is a small town level feat.

7. Town Level - 5800 tons of TNT are required to destory a town. This is the necessary energy to destroy a diameter of 5 to city areas of 10 km. The term "hill level" has some overlap here. Why? Because destroying a 1 km in diameter, 300 m high hill requires as much energy as the necessary to destroy an 8 km town in diameter. Amazing, huh?

This is the hill Glidartz destroyed.

This is a mountain that is close to my house. It is 850 m high (1050 m high from sea level). Compare them. Are they as big for you? No, clearly not. The mountain I'm showing you is taller and much wider.

EVEN if you believed that they are the same size, then you'd consider him mountain level. But I recall @Crimson Ice mentioning something along the lines that the amount of energy necessary to bust a mountain is much different when it is just 'breaking' it. Glidartz is not deintegrating the mountain (like 8 megatons of TNT would do), he is just breaking it in pieces. Which requires WAY less energy.

Glidartz casual punching strength can be seen in this calc: http://animevice.boards.net/thread/2524/gildarts-casual-striking-power-calc

When Glidartz sends someone flying, it actually requires around 132 tons of energy. So empyrean is, yeah, somewhere between city block and small town.

8. City/Mountain Level - 6,800,000 tons of TNT is the starting point for this categori, which ranges to 2,000,000,000 tons. Nowhere near Glidartz's gauge, at least not by feats.

9. Island Level - Starting from 2,900,000,000 for small islands. Only Acnologia's roar has shown such energy.



Yes. This ranges from city block to town level similar to Glidartz's punch to the floor against the soldiers. It is smaller though, but not much more. It must be 0,8 km in diameter, at a rough guess.



Don't be counterproductive for your own arguments, if you say that breaking the floor for an area of 1 km diameter is more than destroying a big hill, you clearly know nothing about physics. Don't take me wrong I don't know much but at least I educate myself before claiming things.



That Natsu couldn't beat Glidartz is an assumption of yours. Currently his feats are above his. Natsu has defeated two spriggans; the second time he defeated one, it was done casually and in base, and that spriggan was enhanced. Whereas his lake evaporating feat requires at least a similar amount of energy as Glidartz punching through the big hill, or more according to calcs.

That he is not fast enough is also subjective, as we know Natsu is very, very fast; but we can't gauge Glidartz's speed, since:
1- Ice Trail is not cannon, I rely on manga facts, anything other than that is unreliable.
2- Even if we were to take the speed Glidartz showcased in Ice Trail, we only know he is faster than the eye of FODDER, we can't gauge his real speed.



Incorrect.

Here, they are portrayed as equals and this happens before the Tenrou Tree falls.



No video material shall be considered reliable in this thread.


What does this prove? Nothing really. Just that Glidartz came at the right time and intercepted an attack from Historia Serena (weakling) surprising the latter since God Serena didn't know GLidartz was anywhere near, and the smokescreen didnt allow for GLidartz to be seen. No more.



Wrong, pal, I've already debunked that.

Sorry but please, understand you are wrong, admit it, concede and move on. The earth won't stop if you admit you've been led by the bias.

A mountain starts at 300 meters. Gildarts indeed crashed a mountain with that punch. Those large trees only looked like shrubs on it and you couldn't even see the big animals.

Though in the current era feat like that is nothing considering Natsu took out a 2km sized Yakuma Beast with little to none effort.

 

[Arjuna]

A mountain starts at 300 meters. Gildarts indeex crashed a mountain with that punch. Those large trees only looked like shrubs on it and you couldn't even see the big animals.

Though in the cyrrent era feat like that is nothing considering Natsu took out a 2km sized Yakuma Beast with little to none effort.

If i remember correctly did not Jellal blow up a mountain in Tartaros arc while casting a Sema on OS?

 

[Char]

A mountain starts at 300 meters. Gildarts indeex crashed a mountain with that punch. Those large trees only looked like shrubs on it and you couldn't even see the big animals.

It is very likely that geographically speaking, a mountain starts at 300 meters high; but the energy that is required to bust a 300 meters high mountain is not the same that is required to bust a 1000 meters high mountain. The width is also important. So, busting a 300 meters high mountain like probably the one Glidartz busted requires town busting energy, not city/mountain busting energy.

I do believe Glidartz is mountain buster at peak, but not casually.

Though in the cyrrent era feat like that is nothing considering Natsu took out a 2km sized Yakuma Beast with little to none effort.

I guess so, but it's hard to gauge his durability. And if his durability was that of a mountain, it would only indeed prove that Natsu is stronger than Glidartz now. At least by current feats.

 

[Jko]

It is very likely that geographically speaking, a mountain starts at 300 meters high; but the energy that is required to bust a 300 meters high mountain is not the same that is required to bust a 1000 meters high mountain. The width is also important. So, busting a 300 meters high mountain like probably the one Glidartz busted requires town busting energy, not city/mountain busting energy.

I do believe Glidartz is mountain buster at peak, but not casually.



I guess so, but it's hard to gauge his durability. And if his durability was that of a mountain, it would only indeed prove that Natsu is stronger than Glidartz now. At least by current feats.

Well Gildarts' feat was casual and when he released his MP against Natsu it did shake all of Tenrou Island. I do believe he casual mountain buster just like Natsu. Also the mountain was well above 300 m and it wasn't just the height that was impressive the width was also impressive seeing as the rest of the mountain ran off panel and it made it look like we only saw like half the mountain in the panel.

The Yakuma Beast no diff Natsu DF level attack so it's durability was much than regular stone/rock.

If i remember correctly did not Jellal blow up a mountain in Tartaros arc while casting a Sema on OS?

No, he only blew up a canyon. It would be unbelievable if OS survived an attack that could bust a mountain lol.

 

[Woodenstool]

Yeah I have...

Implying, had he been alive, God Serena would be on par with him, or superior.

Portrayed as equals here. And this is 30% Serena (approximately) vs 100% Glidartz.

Eventually, Glidartz's superiority is glaring. Of course, it had to be, since it's 30% Serena not full power Serena. But if he had been faster than light, Glidartz would've oneshot... and he didn't Actually, look at Glidartz's faces. He has scratches!!!! What does it tell you? Analyze the situation, will you? Well, I'll let you know, since you don't seem to understand:
1. There was a battle in there. There was an interchange of blows as equals even though God Serena was nowhere near his full power. God Serena managed to hurt Glidartz which means Glidartz didn't get to crash everything that he was thrown at.
2. Glidartz is not that fast... is he? His speed was portrayed as being equal with Historia Serena, he didn't blitz at any moment, and actually he couldn't dodge or crash (react to) God Serena...



Ice Trail was neither written by Hiro Mashima nor drawn by it.
Tale of Fairy Tail: Ice Trail (氷の軌跡, アイストレイル, Aisu Toreiru) is a Japanese manga series by Yusuke Shirato and a spin-off of Hiro Mashima's manga series Fairy Tail. That it's a spin-off doesn't mean it's not canon. Indeed, Fairy Tail Zero is an example of a spin-off which is definitely canon.
Difference:
Fairy Tail Zero is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Hiro Mashima. Ice Trail is not.
Conclusion: Ice Trail is not canon.



Destructive Capacity is simply the capacity of a character to cause destruction. It is useful for scaling the power of a character and is THE most common method of determining how much damage a character can dish out. Destructive capacity is based on the ability to destroy with a single attack.
Some categories:
1. Below Street Level - An ant in our yard is here
2. Street Level - We are here
3. Wall/Tree Level - Superhuman threshold. Many FT fodders are here.
4. Small Building Level - Many FT characters are here.
5. Large Building Level - It requires 0.25 tons of TNT to destroy this. Most FT characters are here.
6. City Block Level - It requires 11 tons of TNT to destroy this. Mid-high tiers in FT are here.

BETWEEN city block and town level is this:

This is almost a town busting attack. From end to end of the rock blocks, there must be around 1 km diameter. This is a small town level feat.

7. Town Level - 5800 tons of TNT are required to destory a town. This is the necessary energy to destroy a diameter of 5 to city areas of 10 km. The term "hill level" has some overlap here. Why? Because destroying a 1 km in diameter, 300 m high hill requires as much energy as the necessary to destroy an 8 km town in diameter. Amazing, huh?

This is the hill Glidartz destroyed.

This is a mountain that is close to my house. It is 850 m high (1050 m high from sea level). Compare them. Are they as big for you? No, clearly not. The mountain I'm showing you is taller and much wider.

EVEN if you believed that they are the same size, then you'd consider him mountain level. But I recall @Crimson Ice mentioning something along the lines that the amount of energy necessary to bust a mountain is much different when it is just 'breaking' it. Glidartz is not deintegrating the mountain (like 8 megatons of TNT would do), he is just breaking it in pieces. Which requires WAY less energy.

Glidartz casual punching strength can be seen in this calc: http://animevice.boards.net/thread/2524/gildarts-casual-striking-power-calc

When Glidartz sends someone flying, it actually requires around 132 tons of energy. So empyrean is, yeah, somewhere between city block and small town.

8. City/Mountain Level - 6,800,000 tons of TNT is the starting point for this categori, which ranges to 2,000,000,000 tons. Nowhere near Glidartz's gauge, at least not by feats.

9. Island Level - Starting from 2,900,000,000 for small islands. Only Acnologia's roar has shown such energy.



Yes. This ranges from city block to town level similar to Glidartz's punch to the floor against the soldiers. It is smaller though, but not much more. It must be 0,8 km in diameter, at a rough guess.



Don't be counterproductive for your own arguments, if you say that breaking the floor for an area of 1 km diameter is more than destroying a big hill, you clearly know nothing about physics. Don't take me wrong I don't know much but at least I educate myself before claiming things.



That Natsu couldn't beat Glidartz is an assumption of yours. Currently his feats are above his. Natsu has defeated two spriggans; the second time he defeated one, it was done casually and in base, and that spriggan was enhanced. Whereas his lake evaporating feat requires at least a similar amount of energy as Glidartz punching through the big hill, or more according to calcs.

That he is not fast enough is also subjective, as we know Natsu is very, very fast; but we can't gauge Glidartz's speed, since:
1- Ice Trail is not cannon, I rely on manga facts, anything other than that is unreliable.
2- Even if we were to take the speed Glidartz showcased in Ice Trail, we only know he is faster than the eye of FODDER, we can't gauge his real speed.



Incorrect.

Here, they are portrayed as equals and this happens before the Tenrou Tree falls.



No video material shall be considered reliable in this thread.


What does this prove? Nothing really. Just that Glidartz came at the right time and intercepted an attack from Historia Serena (weakling) surprising the latter since God Serena didn't know GLidartz was anywhere near, and the smokescreen didnt allow for GLidartz to be seen. No more.



Wrong, pal, I've already debunked that.



Bullshit. We already have evidence that a certain level of magic does not work to certain mages who are way above (i.e. Brandish's magic won't affect Neinheart => Brandish's magic won't affect Irene => Dimaria's magic won't affect Irene => Dimaria's magic won't affect August by being portrayed as Irene's equal).

Sorry but please, understand you are wrong, admit it, concede and move on. The earth won't stop if you admit you've been led by the bias.

How do you specifically quote certain sentences?

So when I give you proof of videos you ignore them. Sorry bud, that's not how it works. It's funny how you pick points out to argue but when you see one you can't. Lol.

I don't know how showing God Serenas fight makes your point any more right. Just because Gildarts said he would be a force to be reckon with doesn't mean they're equal.

Gildarts and Bluenotestinger were fighting equal in strength. He wasn't using crash punches. Watch the fight. "Videos don't mean anything" yeah, that's retarded.

What feats does Natsu have to contend with Gildarts?
Smashing the God of War
One shotting bluenotestinger
Blowing up the GMG
FDK roar
One shotting Jacob

Gildarts destroyed a mountain casually.
Gildarts one shotted bluenotestinger when his magic returned.
Gildarts destroyed an entire town by tripping, he wasn't attempting to do anything.
Gildarts magic was capable of leveling a mountain, x5 the size of Natsu Demolition fist and Fire dragons kings roar.
If you watched the videos, I showed that Natsu is indeed slower than Gildarts. He didn't even react before Gildarts was several meters away and attacking.

"It proves nothing, he came at the right time"
No, he blitzed the attack.

Repeating the same thing about Ice trail doesn't make it correct.

Gildarts is faster and stronger, this isn't even a contest whether you can debate anything. Natsu would not be able to keep up with bluenotestinger in hand to hand combat, he would have to use fire empowered punches to move him.

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A mountain starts at 300 meters. Gildarts indeex crashed a mountain with that punch. Those large trees only looked like shrubs on it and you couldn't even see the big animals.

Though in the cyrrent era feat like that is nothing considering Natsu took out a 2km sized Yakuma Beast with little to none effort.

Little to no effort?
Natsu had to use a named attack and had to go all out in that attack.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/434/14
His face, he's screaming in anger...
Such a powerful panel.

 

[Jko]

How do you specifically quote certain sentences?

So when I give you proof of videos you ignore them. Sorry bud, that's not how it works. It's funny how you pick points out to argue but when you see one you can't. Lol.

I don't know how showing God Serenas fight makes your point any more right. Just because Gildarts said he would be a force to be reckon with doesn't mean they're equal.

Gildarts and Bluenotestinger were fighting equal in strength. He wasn't using crash punches. Watch the fight. "Videos don't mean anything" yeah, that's retarded.

What feats does Natsu have to contend with Gildarts?
Smashing the God of War
One shotting bluenotestinger
Blowing up the GMG
FDK roar
One shotting Jacob

Gildarts destroyed a mountain casually.
Gildarts one shotted bluenotestinger when his magic returned.
Gildarts destroyed an entire town by tripping, he wasn't attempting to do anything.
Gildarts magic was capable of leveling a mountain, x5 the size of Natsu Demolition fist and Fire dragons kings roar.
If you watched the videos, I showed that Natsu is indeed slower than Gildarts. He didn't even react before Gildarts was several meters away and attacking.

"It proves nothing, he came at the right time"
No, he blitzed the attack.

Repeating the same thing about Ice trail doesn't make it correct.

Gildarts is faster and stronger, this isn't even a contest whether you can debate anything. Natsu would not be able to keep up with bluenotestinger in hand to hand combat, he would have to use fire empowered punches to move him.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 19, 2016 ---

Little to no effort?
Natsu had to use a named attack and had to go all out in that attack.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/434/14
His face, he's screaming in anger...
Such a powerful panel.

This was Natsu after the attack.

Not even a scratch or sweat mark on him. I would call that little effort seeing as he isn't the least bit fatigued. Doing a named move doesn't automatically mean you're going all out.